Zankyou no Terror Episode 9 Discussion

Orulyon said:
Guys, Lisa's purpose was not to become a badass terrorist or even, to help the guys. Her purpose was to HUMANIZE Nine and Twelve. She was the only person they ever trusted in all those years they spent alone hiding and ploting. Twelve fell in love with her and that was beautiful IMO.
If I was dying and had a best friend and a revenge/goal I would surely try everything to make it come true, but in the process if I fell in love with someone wouldnt that give more meaning to my life? to be able to love someone when you spent years in confinement being abused in experiments psychologically and physically which can take all your humanity away and make you cold and numb...for Twelve to have someone ordinary and random like Lisa was everything to him. All children crave for love, attachment, it is a scientific fact. He realtionship with her started with guilt because he could feel her pain and empathize with the fact that she wished to be free just like he wished when he was in the instituition. But then clearly he fell for her, she made him laugh...a genuine laugh not his clearly fake laugh at first episodes which he displayed to everyone.
He felt the need to protect her because that is what you do when you care about someone. Surely it was the hardest choice of his life, but if he didnt choose they would both have died and the point is, even if he "does not have time" and is about to die, he WANTS HER TO LIVE. He knows that he and Nine are going to die anyway but he can save the life of the girl he loves. Love is blind guys. He loves her even if she does not know hoe to make bombs or cook. He loves her flaws, her tears, her smile, her aura color, her EVERYTHING. Do not judge someone who is in love. You all saw how hard it was for him to betray Nine, how emotionally destroyed he got after doing it.

So she was useful guys. Surely if they havent met her they have their plan completed with no problems and no emotional conflict at all. But then they would not have learned to trust anyone. They would never had the experience of living with an ordinary person every day.

Also arent we all forgetting Lisa's attitude this ep? people hate her so much that fail to view her emotional strenght in this ep.
She was ready to die alone. She wanted him to escape and GO TO NINE. Her resolution had no hesitation. She was really, really STRONG in her own way in this episode:)

warriorsftw said:
I don't know if someone's asked this already, but if 12 had all the tools, why didn't he just cut the vest off of lisa and throw it out into the water or something?

almost thought they were gonna embrace there for a second. I really like lisa and 12's relationship, even if it isn't romantic. (or if it is)

hinode said:
In the first episode, the guards of the nuclear plant couldn't shoot them because they held an atomic bomb, but now the cops are firing without problems towards 9 in the same situation. The cops should've known, they were sent by Five. On another note, can somebody explain to me how did 5 track Lisa to Sphynx's hideout? It's been bugging me since that bomb delivery.

JuunoDoll said:
BUT GUYS. THE FEELS OF THIS SCENE THOUGH ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉‵ლ)

Orulyon said:
Also arent we all forgetting Lisa's attitude this ep? people hate her so much that fail to view her emotional strenght in this ep.
She was ready to die alone. She wanted him to escape and GO TO NINE. Her resolution had no hesitation. She was really, really STRONG in her own way in this episode:)

Orulyon said:
Guys, Lisa's purpose was not to become a badass terrorist or even, to help the guys. Her purpose was to HUMANIZE Nine and Twelve. She was the only person they ever trusted in all those years they spent alone hiding and ploting. Twelve fell in love with her and that was beautiful IMO.
If I was dying and had a best friend and a revenge/goal I would surely try everything to make it come true, but in the process if I fell in love with someone wouldnt that give more meaning to my life? to be able to love someone when you spent years in confinement being abused in experiments psychologically and physically which can take all your humanity away and make you cold and numb...for Twelve to have someone ordinary and random like Lisa was everything to him. All children crave for love, attachment, it is a scientific fact. He realtionship with her started with guilt because he could feel her pain and empathize with the fact that she wished to be free just like he wished when he was in the instituition. But then clearly he fell for her, she made him laugh...a genuine laugh not his clearly fake laugh at first episodes which he displayed to everyone.
He felt the need to protect her because that is what you do when you care about someone. Surely it was the hardest choice of his life, but if he didnt choose they would both have died and the point is, even if he "does not have time" and is about to die, he WANTS HER TO LIVE. He knows that he and Nine are going to die anyway but he can save the life of the girl he loves. Love is blind guys. He loves her even if she does not know hoe to make bombs or cook. He loves her flaws, her tears, her smile, her aura color, her EVERYTHING. Do not judge someone who is in love. You all saw how hard it was for him to betray Nine, how emotionally destroyed he got after doing it.

So she was useful guys. Surely if they havent met her they have their plan completed with no problems and no emotional conflict at all. But then they would not have learned to trust anyone. They would never had the experience of living with an ordinary person every day.

Also arent we all forgetting Lisa's attitude this ep? people hate her so much that fail to view her emotional strenght in this ep.
She was ready to die alone. She wanted him to escape and GO TO NINE. Her resolution had no hesitation. She was really, really STRONG in her own way in this episode:)

kanno_ said:

Is it bad that after 9 episodes I'm still thinking that Lisa is useless? Is it wrong that I can't feel the sparkle of their love?

First of all, I hate weak and useless heroine more than anything. Even more than violent tsundere. I simply can't agree that her role is to humanize 9 and 12. They have always been human even without Lisa. That they never killed any innocent people, they do anything not to get them killed (even Nine had to beg to Shibazaki), Nine couldn't shoot Five instantly, are the prove that they still have human emotions. I'm pretty sure even if it's not Lisa, Nine's reaction would be the same. They are human.

And it's just so random that Twelve could fall for Lisa, like, for no reason. What was that? How could it start? Because he pitied Lisa for getting bullied? Or because Lisa was so pretty that he fell in love at the first sight? Just for the plot sake that he has to fall with this girl?

And it's not like they trust her. Nine was always against the idea of involving Lisa in their activity. Meanwhile Twelve, head over heels for her, letting her stay and all, not because of the trust, just pure blinding love. There's no trust there.



She was always like that as far as I can remember. She's the type that "oh, let me shoulder all the burden so people would be happy without me cuz I'm the only useless one". She ran away from Nine and Twelve's hidden basecamp (or whatever that place called) out of consideration (and guilty), she didn't want to get in their way. But of course, every idea comes from this girl's idea ends up wrong. Girl was so gullible she told Five anything. As a result, she ended up like that. And so she did it again this episode, probably she thought Twelve could break the window without Five noticing, jumped from that height and probably survived without getting hurt.

That's not strength. That's her being desperate and somewhat irresponsible.

Orulyon said:


You have the right to express your opinion. If you dont like her, fine. It does not bother me at all actually, because I respect difference. But that is your opinion and I have mine. And im my POV she is strong in her own way, yes. Weak...useless... does that mean that in this world, the "weak" do not deserve any credit? should all the people who cannot fight, who cannot cook, who cannot defend themselves, who cannot be successful somehow...should those people disappear and be considered useless? should those people do not have the right to have friends, family, lovers...are they not worth of being loved?
If I fail at something...If Im not able to do something even if easy to others...Im useless? What is being "useful" in human society? oh right.
Girls: have to be a perfect daughter, a perfect friend, a perfect student, a perfect girlfriend, a perfect woman, a perfect mother, a perfect worker. oh well people strive for something is it impossible to achieve.
If I like strong heroines? I love them, go to my fav list of anime charas and you'll only find badass girls who fight like hell and have tragedy in their lifes and were strong enough to handle it with their strong personalities and abilities. But just because badass girls are my fav kind, I dont say characters like Lisa are worthless. They are just different. Difference should be respected instead of being criticized.
Society says to be sucessful you have to have self esteem and fight for what you want. awesome I agree. But what of those people with complicated lives that simply cannot be badasses and get up filled with inner strenght? If you dont fit on your society? Welcome, you're are considered garbage scum.

Its true, 9 and 12 did not kill anyone...but they would not hesitate if they had to...and dont tell me otherwise. True they always kept their humanity somehow and 9 never wanted Lisa with them...but 9 did not want her close because he did not want to involve her, not because he disliked her. His nightmares pratically stopped since Lisa went to live with them. If it was random that 12 fell for Lisa? yes, definitely random...but is it needed a reason for you to fall in love with someone? It just happens with or without you having reasons, you fall in love and that's it. And that definitely made him a more altruistic person than he was before.

You are right, she is always wrong. She always makes the most stupid, idiot decisions and she acknowledges that in this ep. But making mistakes is human. She is an ordinary teenage girl not a mature older adult able to reflect better about things. She was guilty of their current situation? YES, SHE IS! but she did not do it on purpose. She made a mistake and tried to amend by telling Twelve to run away, to go with Nine and leave her there. She was ready to die alone to atone her mistake. Desperate and irresponsible? yes she is indeed. But being blamed because she does not have self esteem, because she ran away, because she is not able to fight or to say something smart...does not make her useless or worthless.
She is worth enough for Twelve to risk everything for her. Because he saw this "weak" person and even that way accepted her unconditionally and loved her just the way it is. This kind of love to me is more genuine than the typical hero who falls for half naked awesomely beautiful girl who actually has some hidden talent like :
- knows how to sing
- is a genius in art
- fights like hell
- excels at studies
- Is popular
- is unpopular but in fact, extremely considerate and kind.
- is weak and useless but actually she has a power which will awake in a dangerous situation.
People call Lisa cliché but look at her closely: she is definitely not. You dont need to feel the sparkle of their love, this is not Twilight and Twelve is not a sparkling vampire. But at least you should acknowledge that their relationship is strong enough for both to give their life for one another...and that yes, I call love, with or without shoujo bubbles or sparkles.

Orulyon said:
If it was random that 12 fell for Lisa? yes, definitely random...but is it needed a reason for you to fall in love with someone? It just happens with or without you having reasons, you fall in love and that's it. And that definitely made him a more altruistic person than he was before.

Lyrisia said:
Aaaaargh Twelve I hate you >< How could you do that to Nine :(

Terminaato said:
Oh look, a woman ruins a life-long friendship. How unusual.

I mean, with how insane Five is, why would Twelve even think she would let him and Lisa live? So out of character for her... And he just goes and betrays his best friend. Good job.

orchidork said:


12 was in a no win situation. if he didn't tell 5 the location of the atomic bomb, he and lisa would've been blown up and he couldn't do that to lisa because he's in love with her (although i think their romance is shallow and doesn't even compare to the friendship he shares with 9 especially because they've only really interacted about 6 times in this whole show) and it would be his fault if she died because he essentially brought her into this mess. not to mention the fact that he was desperate. i bet 9 is gutted, realizing that 12 betrayed him not once but twice now

Ineptia said:

Conclusion: Japan planning on going nuclear?
Other possibility: RPA is going to commit a false flag nuclear attack and control the populace that way (War on Terror)

Edit: Ironically, I think the two are going to play right into their hands until the finale.

orchidork said:
WHOA. i just realized several things.

what are the chances that 5's fainting had something to do with the drug? i think that drug is slowly killing her.

i wonder how 9 and 12's bodies are taking the drug's effects. the man who revealed everything to shibasaki (i don't remember his name) said "all i can do is hope that those 2 are still alive somewhere even if they won't be able to live long". from this statement we learn that the drug is most likely going to kill them eventually. it's implied that the man doesn't know that 9 and 12 are behind the terrorist attacks and that the attacks are geared towards the group behind the experiments. so this all means that 5, 9 and 12 don't have much time. and in episode 8, 9 and 12 both claimed that they don't have much time. they weren't referring to the fact that they were going to get caught soon if they didn't put their plan through but were actually referring to the fact that they had to finish what they started before the drug ended up killing them.