Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 126 Discussion

tsudecimo said:

I wouldn't know since I'm not a manga reader, I follow the anime. The bomb was the asspull, not the entire episode.

Is that a nipple..



I don't know what you mean by this but okay. I don't believe I asked for an answer from you.

soundscape said:


So basically your reasoning is "They shouldn't give a fak about 5 million people and Nuke the stupid castle from the beginning"..... Seems legit.... I would like to see that happening in real world too.... Easy as fak!!!!

Well, I lost some brain cells and have to go find them... good luck and best wishes.

TonyTonyStark said:


And you only reply to attacks or some people slightly agreeing with you with a "yes, I agree, it's an asspull" twisting their whole comment, and ignoring actual points made toward your argument, stubbornly calling it an asspull regardless.

I'm sorry, but I have to call troll on this one.

GuusWayne said:
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.

GuusWayne said:
Those bombs are designed for the very purpose of wiping millions of innocents, a few idiots in a castle don't mean shit when we're talking about the survival of a whole species.

JD2411 said:
I've got to agree with Tsudecimo although I think it was shit writing and not an asspull

and how is naruto relevant to HxH? If you're going to discuss at least do it maturely

MCAL said:
Okay guys. Enough with mentioning Naruto. It is seriously annoying and quite frankly disrespectful to Tsudecimo.

Now if he had mentioned Naruto first, this would be a different story....

Z4k said:

How was this shit writing?

AnimageNeby said:

You keep insisting it's an asspull, but that only depends on certain variables. Like: your definition of 'asspull', and your (quite arbitrary) conclusions it fullfills it (or not).

AnimageNeby said:
For instance, another definition is this:

"This can be used to describe when, in a TV show or movie, a character comes up with a never-before-seen power just in the nick of time, therefore winning the fight. An ass pull either has a completely unbelievable explanation or the writer conveniently forgets to add one in."

In that case, it's not an asspull at all. It's not a suddenly awakened power of an individual (hint; bleach or naruto), and he doesn't win the fight: he loses. Only, he takes his opponent with him, even when losing. And with technology (that world's equivalent to a nuclear bomb) while the fight itself was about nen. You doubt the originality, but can you name one other shounen that has all those elements? If it followed typical trope - and I'm sure you realize this - netero would have come up with a sudden superpower, winning in the nick of time, and the enemy defeated and he alive.

AnimageNeby said:
Even if you take your own definition and regard is as the only correct one, discarding all others, it still amounts to a rather subjective interpretation. It would entail it had no foreshadowing whatsoever, and the mangaka just pulled it out of his ass (hence the name) at the last moment, because he didn't know any better. Both perceptions are wrong. As others have explained to you, there were hints given that it would amount to it. Yes, not explicitly in-your-face ones - otherwise the surprise would be gone, obviously - but I found the hints clear enough, even if it's easier to say in hindsight.

AnimageNeby said:

3)The whole idea Togahsi didn't know where he was heading and used the bomb just to be easily rid of a problem, is faulty. First off all, if he really wanted to do an asspull, he could have let it endwith the 'zero attack'; that was an almost classical 'last power' that in any other shounen would be dealing the definite blow. Not so in this anime. He did his ultimate move, was totally wasted, and the king still came out largely unscathed. There were myriads of possibilites for Toagshi to end it, if he didn't know where he was going. However, he did know it.

AnimageNeby said:
For all these reasons, I find your conclusion (and consequentially insistence) that it's an asspull unwarranted and invalid. I rather think it boils down to you not liking that end, and that's the source of the bias to deny that it WAS (long-time) foreseen, (subtly) foreshadowed and (un-shounen-trope-like) original. You can disagree on a personal level with this, but I don't think you can deny that this vision is, objectively spoken, as potentially valid as yours. After all, it's not because you didn't see the hints or don't give any weight to them, that others also don't or have to.

JD2411 said:
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die

Z4k said:

How was this shit writing?

JD2411 said:
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die

TonyTonyStark said:

People use it for different purposes, why would Netero want to kill millions of innocents?

judals said:
Damn I'm so hyped for this episode... Ihaven't even watched 125 yet, maybe I should skip? Nah joking.

But you guys are hyping the shit out of it for me.

GuusWayne said:
It already happens, what do you think a nuke is for? Why would they hesitate to use it against such a threat when they usually do it casually with the stakes nowhere near as high. Also they could've done it before mtfs gathered, all you needed was Knov's ability to teleport the bomb days before. Like it or not but Togashi pulled some fairy tail shit here. I could've skipped everything from the moment the king was born to this episode and it wouldn't make a difference. Have fun finding your brain cells.

SetsukoHara said:


A lot of people already died, and they didn't seem to care that much when they sent only a small unit of hunters to deal with the problem, which is why I think Netero's selfishness plays an even greater role than their envy to save lives.

leeo268 said:
Oh WOW! Apparently, Tsudecimo have his own definition of asspull and plot hole.
Should have expected this much considering how he is perfectly fine with Naruto plot.

Here is Tsudecimo's definition of Asspull:
Plot twist that he don't like because it doesn't end in the same cliche expected shouen style.

TonyTonyStark said:
And setsukohahra, and noonealive, yes.. "only Guuswayne", I mean even here you're trying to twist out of this using a lie.

and calling my post bullshit?
You're the type of child who hits a person, then goes to the principal and cries first to put the blame on the other guy. Very immature.

and you're still ignoring all the other actual points, mine and the others'.

kontrared said:

3)The whole idea Togahsi didn't know where he was heading and used the bomb just to be easily rid of a problem, is faulty. First off all, if he really wanted to do an asspull, he could have let it endwith the 'zero attack'; that was an almost classical 'last power' that in any other shounen would be dealing the definite blow. Not so in this anime. He did his ultimate move, was totally wasted, and the king still came out largely unscathed. There were myriads of possibilites for Toagshi to end it, if he didn't know where he was going. However, he did know it. The hints for that are, once again subtle, so you might have missed them again, but imho, tohgashi knew exactly where he was going, inclusive the atomic bomb, from at least the start of the royal guard arc. You DO realise what 'The Republic of East Gorteau' stands for, I hope. I mean, it's r/l equivalent. And the 'Great Leader'? And the fact that not long before Togashi wrote this arc, a certain country boasted nuclear capability? It highly likely that Togashi conceptualised the end of this arc back then and there. His theme about the viciousness of humans, the indiscriminate killing of those that oppose us, and the deadly mixture of technology with malice, was not something he sucked out of his thumb (or pulled out of his ass) as a last ditch attempt of getting out of a self-made corner. Rather, it's more likely than not he had this in mind from the very start.

tsudecimo said:

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Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

Plot hole:

''A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

Educate yourself please. I never said those words, I never even wrote the words ''plot twist'' ''illogical'' ''plot hole'' before you posted in this thread.


What are you talking about? where did Setsuko say it's an asspull? I actually asked him before and his thought Killua darts fight was the only asspull in the arc. I agreed with noonealive that too much foreshadowing would have ruined it, I didn't imply that he thought it was an asspull. Improve your reading comprehension please.

Give me examples or stfu with your nonsense.

Wtf..

The_Mad_Wizard said:
Heck! I've been waiting a whole week for this! FINALLY! ^_^

Both the episode and the checking the MAL forums after.
Feels like appetizer, main course, and popcorn dessert. ^_^


LORD OF VERMILLION!

tsudecimo said:

Asspull :

''An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing''

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

JD2411 said:
because they could have nuked the castle from the very beginning, before the invasion

Netero didn't even need to die

Darkbento said:
Amazing episode, didn't expect that to end this way tho.

Idk if the bomb was an asspull or not, however it downplays everything that was done and shown in this arc, since as someone already stated, they could have just nuked the whole damn place without sacrificing any hunters if they planed to bomb the king in the first place...

Dangerr said:

Ironic, considering that the Rose isn't even a listed example under anime and manga.
That said, I really don't view this as an example of being an asspull. Other people have brought up the detail of Knov mentioning the designated location and foreshadowing of sacrifice, but given the meticulous design of this arc's narrative, I fail to see what else Togashi could have possibly had in mind that fit so well thematically. It also had the "wow-factor" that really made it a distinguishing moment.

I've tried to abstain from these pissing contests, but I must ask what you view as the plot holes in this arc. You've probably already listed them, but it'd be a nightmare to go back and read through this mess. I doubt I'll persuade you to my way of thinking, but I'd try to address them, at least. It's been a while since I've had a good HxH discussion.

Dangerr said:


They didn't nuke the castle from the beginning because the entire point of this operation is to save as much of the populace of east gorteau as they can while taking out their targets. It's likely if that failed, then the Hunter Association or some sort of international coalition would have glassed Peijing and the palace.

Netero may not have needed to die, but he's probably one of the only individuals that could have isolated the king, and perhaps the only individual to do it willingly. Last episode showed that his greatest desire in life was to give it his all in a battle with the odds against him. He went there fully expecting to die in his battle against the king. And he loved it.

TonyTonyStark said:


Oh my god

THERE WERE 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUST OUTSIDE

And about 8 hookers inside.

Darkbento said:


You're right, better send Netero to die for dem hookers. I call it worth !

Darkbento said:


You're right, better send Netero to die for dem hookers. I call it worth !