Eureka Seven AO Episode 12 Discussion

Raigerzero said:

6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does. Maybe it can be changed at will.

Raigerzero said:
I absolutely loved this episode. So much happened and some nice pieces of information were given to us.

1) In the beginning of the episode, we get to see Naru and Truth and their discussion. Naru appears to still care about Ao, and has some Coral inside of her. Truth claims that he and she are the same- whether or not that has to do with them both "seeing the truth" or being Coralian (at least in a sense) seems unclear – and once again affirms that he wants Ao to see the truth. It is also "nice" to see the "kind" side of Truth in their discussion, although I'm sure the choice to display the dead bodies around them as the word "kind" hits the screen is no accident (not that I personally needed it, I have been complaining about the senseless killing every discussion).

Raigerzero said:

2) Nothing happens much with the Gazelle group, but it seems that they might actually be looking into the matter of quartz in their own independent manner. Perhaps they might discover something shocking in the next few episodes.

3) I found the discussion between Truth and the Japanese guy (whose name eludes me, even though I searched for a minute- lazy I know) to be extremely enlightening and of interest. First off, Truth displays professional hacking capabilities and hacks the Fire Cracker (which annoys me slightly as he is already formidable in battle, now he's a genius in technology as well? But that's my minor pet peeve.). Is the Fire Cracker the satellite that Truth hacked, or is it a larger object or cyber system (like access to all Japanese satellites or something)? The fact that he came to the Firecracker man (That is definitely his name...) just to report seems to suggest that the guy will serve a very important role for/along with Truth, strongly suggested to be involved with their talk of interplanetary war (shows that Truth can cooperate as well, which is a nice addition to his seemingly indestructible nature). The only other "planet" I can imagine being involved in the conflict is that of Eureka's original world.

Raigerzero said:

4) J. Johansson's introduction was probably the second most important event in this episode. He appears to have "adopted" Truth, or possibly have been a "father", guide, or friend of Truth and is viewed by Rebecca as a quack scientist. Clearly, Truth and Johansson share the same view of the world - that the world is mistaken - and Truth seems to speak of him reverently, which adds to Johansson’s importance and gives a little insight to Truth’s past. Furthermore, Johansson's suicide perks my interest. I have a feeling that no such suicide occurred, and I am leaning towards either him being killed or reaching Eureka's world or merging with the Scub Coral. The fact that his book seems to be considered a "prophecy" by many suggests to me that he had some sort of special knowledge that others didn't- possibly relating to Scub Coral or Eureka's world or the elusive "truth" that many are seeking.

Raigerzero said:

5) Team Harlequin's rumored reputation of not dying when others would confuses me. Does it mean that if the world was destroyed, they would be safe up in space or that they are somehow resilient to danger? Their seemingly advanced understanding of Ao's dilemma of not seeming trapar as usual raises flags for me. I cannot guess or speculate any more than that. Ivica seems to be wary of them wanting to take Ao away. Maybe they do “alien” research. Speaking of Ao's dilemma, I have some issues with it. First off, how could he not have known that it wasn't normal to see trapar. He never spoke of it? That would be like never mentioning the wind or rain. Furthermore, he should have noticed that no books or art ever depict trapar. Also, why does he care if he cannot see it? He needs it to pilot properly or something? I assume there normally isn't trapar in the ocean flowing like in the wind, yet he had no problem underwater.

Raigerzero said:

6) The big one. First off, obviously surprised that the Gekko was inside that Scub Coral, which seems to confirm that the Coral is traveling from another world to this world. SUPER SURPRISED to see the original Nirvash typeZERO (Spec2 right? Physical difference between 1 and 2 seem small. 95% sure it is Spec2) come out of that hole (oh-ho silly Renton and his antics….this is his hole right?). Seeing both Nirvashs at the same time was amazing. The music playing and the scenery were absolutely incredible. Seeing Eureka again in person even more so. Now here is where I may diverge with some of your thoughts. I am tending to believe that no time paradox occurred and that this is the Eureka that gave birth to Ao.

Raigerzero said:

Mainly for the following reasons which either suggest she and Ao get along (which wouldn’t happen if Ao claimed she was his mother and she denied it) or negate arguments made in favor of a time-paradox: 1) The episode preview doesn’t mention such a huge issue, only that she has “eccentricities” and that he “unexpectedly gets to spend time with his mother on the Gekko”.

Raigerzero said:

2) The aging argument seems to hold no sway, since it appears human-form Coralians don’t age (or at least as quickly or noticeably as regular humans).
3) She generally appears happy in the preview, which if she disagreed with Ao’s assertion of him being her son wouldn’t likely be the case, as she surely would show some distress for a kid holding her to such a mental image.

Raigerzero said:

4) Some people may think that her greeting to Ao shows she doesn’t know him. Many years have passed since they last saw each other and they have grown since then. It probably didn’t immediately click in her mind that she would meet him so soon, with blue hair and all grown up.

Raigerzero said:

5) She does appear to be pregnant. No reason she can’t have another kid. 6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does.

Raigerzero said:

Maybe it can be changed at will. 7) She doesn’t seem surprised that she spawned inside of a Scub Coral falling into the atmosphere at high speed and baffled that a machine almost identical to her Nirvash has appeared on the top of the Gekko. Which to me suggests she has “experience” with this and/or has been to this world before.

Raigerzero said:


7) Mentioning the Gekko, I wonder if anyone is inside. The next episode preview doesn’t show it flying, so probably she is the only one in it (can’t fly a ship with only one person probably). Why does she have it? What purpose will it serve? It would be super awesome if Holland or Renton were in there (most likely not). What’s Gekkostate doing without the Gekko?

Raigerzero said:

8) I had a few lols or amusing moments during this episode. First was imagining Noah in space. Second was Ivica getting his in the face with coffee. Third was Truth feeling the need to destroy Firecracker man’s smoke ring. Fourth was Eureka’s Nirvash flipping over and dropping her in the recording. Fifth was the Ao’s Nirvash getting abruptly eaten by a space snake and sucking into a random geometric object in space. That seemed kind of weird. Speaking of that Secret, when he was inside (especially when the sides started flashing), I thought he was going to be teleported to Eureka’s world.

SUPER LONG POST: I had a lot to say. Sorry if it seems to jump around a lot, skim certain topics or just generally be confusing. It was a bit tiring to write, so my thoughts might not be as organized, clear, or detailed as I might have liked. I did a check for overt grammar mistakes, so sorry if I missed a few.

nebuchadrezzar said:
It's quite surprising - Naru is just "smiling", despite all these dead people all over the place. She must truly believe that "this" world is a fake (or their death was unavoidable anyway).

1lau said:
Wow, I was thinking about dropping this 2 episodes ago
The graphics were outstanding
Somehow I should regret not watching the original series

Ilocanos said:
I think Eureka was trying to find a way back. Something might have happened in past, so i believe that Truth might have done something during Dr. Johannson's research which probably brought Eureka here.

1) I don't think Eureka is pregnant, I dont want to think she is unless Ao is having another sibling. She has to be the real mother. At first they saw footage of Eureka falling off Nirvash from that light.

2) What i think contradicts it, is Nirvash. If Ao is flying the Nirvash that Eureka brought with her (which means that Generation Bleu modified TypeZero), then Eureka could be from another dimensioin and she could preggo. Only Nirvash is the bridge between the worlds. Unless there is a "Nirvash" in that world. It just doesnt make sense from how the Gekko comes in.

3) I believe the world that Ao lives is a constructed Earth developed from the Scub Coral. We know the history in the first Eureka Series where a meteorite crashed into the earth and the scub coral awoken, which eventually made mankind leave. I believe that the Scub is literally 'dreaming'. Surpassing the Limit of Life and recreating mankind and Earth in it's own 'dreaming universe'. We can note that false world by how Truth explains that the world they live in is false.

4) Aging? I think Eureka is aging, the reason Sakuya did not age because she became apart of the scub in that early age. Plus in the last episode of the series, the old man who was giving tea in the Gekko is a coralian, so he might have aged in the past, but we dont know that.

5) The whole Gekko crew has to be there. The girl laying on the bench could be Talho. I think that because the guards surrounding her are wearing odd uniforms, not what armed service men would wear. The reason no one seems to pilot Gekko is because there probably is not enough trapar flow in the atmosphere compared to what the other 'Earth' has to help fly the ship. It's like canoeing through a shallow river with a ton of sandbars. Remember when Eureka and Renton passed the Great Wall and arrived in Earth? They couldnt really fly because of no trapar present.

6) I think Truth is trying to awaken the Scub Coral within this 'Earth'. I still don't understand the origin of the Secrets and their contribution to the Scub.

Ilocanos said:

2) What i think contradicts it, is Nirvash. If Ao is flying the Nirvash that Eureka brought with her (which means that Generation Bleu modified TypeZero), then Eureka could be from another dimensioin and she could preggo. Only Nirvash is the bridge between the worlds. Unless there is a "Nirvash" in that world. It just doesnt make sense from how the Gekko comes in.

triforcebih said:


umh.. the nirvash in AO's world isnt called the MARK I for no reason. And as you could notice it is not alive ( mechanical ), while TypeZERO on the other hand was... we come to the conclusion its 2 different mechas prolly...

or mark I is like a child/arch type of TypeZERO and also got a scub core which hasn't been awakened yet ?

Cheeze_whiZ
not sure about a lot of this, but I don't think the Gekko's crew is on board. The ship looks pretty empty, and if you are referring to the girl on the lawn chair surrounded by guards, isn't that just truth's female form (I think her hair was purple).

Also if this Eureka is the one from the previous show, what happened to her wings? Still a lot more to find out.[/quote said:



Yeah that's interesting. Maybe it's under her clothes.. or she can remove them on command. Something might've happened. Maybe this show is coming directly after the movie?

Ilocanos said:


The movie has nothing to do with the original or this sequel, it's its own story.

Cheeze_whiZ said:


not sure about a lot of this, but I don't think the Gekko's crew is on board. The ship looks pretty empty, and if you are referring to the girl on the lawn chair surrounded by guards, isn't that just truth's female form (I think her hair was purple).

Also if this Eureka is the one from the previous show, what happened to her wings? Still a lot more to find out.

Droplet said:
Holy shit

I take back all the bad things I've been saying about this show

MiLTeK said:
I think we won't meet Renton in this series/anime.
Look at the staff/voiceactors.
There's no Renton's voiceactor , for example Truth was from first episode.

MiLTeK said:
I think we won't meet Renton in this series/anime.
Look at the staff/voiceactors.
There's no Renton's voiceactor , for example Truth was from first episode.

Dangerr said:

That means nothing; it's completely at their own discretion when revealing casting roles. If it's something that's meant to be a surprise, then they won't reveal it prematurely - Truth isn't the same.

saxophone15 said:
It's funny how the appearance of Gekko and Eureka somehow make the entire show worth it.

AdolChristin said:


Haha, I was thinking the exact same thing. The only reason I'm watching this show is to see the original characters again, and I don't care about the new characters at all. BONES is definitely doing something wrong with this show.

Dangerr said:

Huh? Most of the main cast has grown onto me quite nicely. The only one that sticks out like a sore thumb to me at the moment is Naru; she definitely knows about the copious amounts of murder Truth has been inflicting, and yet, she sticks to him as if he's her white knight.

Flaregon said:


Your just not seeing the Truth (pop's on second pair of sun glasses)