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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well the movie certainly throws you into the thick of it without any hesitation, which can either be good or bad, but in this case it was neither really, just too much too soon. I gave the movie an 8 (and moved ZZ down to an 7, lol) because it was too much plot and not enough breathing space for characters to do their 'developing' thing. The movie begins with Amuro and Bright on the same ship again, Char's suddenly got an army and hell-bent on killing everyone on Earth, and although all this is not inconceivable, its just like going into a movie after 30 minutes have already passed. You can connect the dots yourself, but feel like you're missing out on some stuff, and it just left me with this incomplete viewing experience. I suppose its better than a slow-paced story that would have highlighted how generic the plot was, so this movie at least felt untypical in that respect. I really hated the green-haired girl. She stuck out like a sore thumb. If a human goes into outer space with no protection, won’t they freeze to death or something? I didn’t even recognise Char at first; I didn’t like his character design in this. Zeta Gundam Char is still the coolest. Didnt like the deaths in this movie either. Bright's son taking out Chan was a bit too depressing, but more importantly, kind of random. I dont mind depressing stuff, but make it meaningful at least. So with the grumbling out of the way, it was still a decent movie that pulled together some of the reasons why we love the Gundam franchise. The direction was pretty good too. I love the shot of Mirai seeing the asteroid flying past the sun. What happened to Amuro and Char? Did they die? Also: What was the point of those kids we focus on at the beginning of the film, and see briefly in the end montage? Pointless! |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Tomino actually wrote the book Beltorchika's Children before making Char's Counterattack, so he was basically adapting his own work. From all accounts the book fleshes out the conflict and characters much better (Char isn't suddenly depressed about Lalah again, after apparently moving past her in Zeta), and both Char and Amuro are confirmed dead in the book. |
RolexOct 3, 2008 3:17 PM
| The more I think about this movie the more unsatisfied I am with it. I think I'm just going to pretend Amuro and Char's arcs ended in Zeta. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
Cihan said: The more I think about this movie the more unsatisfied I am with it. I think I'm just going to pretend Amuro and Char's arcs ended in Zeta. Thats what I do, especially in Char's case, none of this 'Lalah could have been my mother' type stuff :/. |
Astaroth said: Thats what I do, especially in Char's case, none of this 'Lalah could have been my mother' type stuff :/. That was actually interesting I thought, but because it was just reduced to one line of dialogue it comes off as ridiculous. It sums up the movie, just a whole bunch of interesting ideas thrown at the screen and none of them are developed. And it kind of comes back to my thoughts while watching Zeta that there would be a father/son dynamic between Amuro and Char, but it never materialises and that's a damn shame. A damn shame Tomino. I mean there was already some Star Wars vibe seeping into the Gundam franchise through the newtype angle, I dont think it would have been bad for the Luke/Vader vibe to soak through either. I think Amuro and Char would have been way more fascinating than Lucas's characters. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Hmm, well I liked it a lot. If you ask me, if the lack of backstory is a big complaint, I'd say Zeta can be guilty for the same thing. Why'd Char just come back out of nowhere and attempt to be "Quattro" (when it looks so obvious)? Where did the AEUG come from? Where did the Titans come from and how did the Federation fall so much? How could Haman really build such a powerful army off a mining colony of just remnants? etc, sure there's plenty more stuff that could go here. Also I think the timegap really needs to be considered. All events in MSG were pretty much one year, both Zeta and ZZ were pretty much one year events themselves. After ZZ, it's been 5 years up to CCA, so a lot can happen between then. I guess that can contradict my argument a bit above with Zeta, but regardless of loving it and everything I can say it could probably use a good chunk of backstory itself. Maybe it's just me, but I still felt that both Amuro and Char were still in character. I'd be willing to bet they still had a good amount of hate towards each other even during Zeta, but both realized that the Titans needed to be wiped out and took their alliance professionally. Char's beliefs from 0079 to CCA still seemed to be intact, though I can agree I think he let some amount or revenge take over, the same can probably be said about Amuro with their whole Lalah issue, which I just always thought was weird. Anyways, I certainly think it could use some explaining myself and it's definitely not without flaws, like most Gundam. I just had a lot of this thought out since someone I know personally holds the same feelings as you guys, so yeah. =P Maybe I was just over-optimistic about it, basically what I wanted was Amuro vs Char and that's really what I got. And story aside, this movie has probably the best space/mech fights I've ever seen. Chan's death was definitely stupid, I hated that too. That was just retarded by Bright's son. The newtype chick was really dumb too, though I'd say Zeta and ZZ had some annoying characters like her themselves. Char definitely lacked a mask in this, but I guess it's just cause he was finally the face and hero of Zeon with absolute control over them, so he didn't really need to hide or anything. Still, it was weird, lol. |
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| But the thing is, with Zeta we're introduced to the situation, with 50 episodes to flesh out the background, characters and motivation, but in Char's Counterattack we're not introduced to anything, we're just thrown into the middle of a battle, I mean narratively-wise it was just too much for me. Char's extreme methods in this one also are a big development for the character which would have been fascinating to see occur on screen. Like I said earlier, its not inconceivable he'd come up with such a masterplan, but because we dont see how he ended up like that, its just very jarring. Yeah, a lot of time has gone past, but during this movie we're given hardly any explanation for how these characters ended up at the point we meet them in, how Amuro and Bright are on the same ship again fighting a battle against Char who's now the face of a new army. I just think you should either introduce the viewer to how everything's going to pan out, or throw us in while its happening and show us bit by bit how everything came to be like this, and you dont need flashbacks to do that either, just dialogue and visuals alone can do it. F91 which I watched recently starts off with new characters, a regular setting thats interrupted by a mysterious enemy, there's lots of confusion, but slowly bits of information is conveyed to the viewer and by the end you pretty much know everything, but by the end of Char's Counterattack I still had a shit load of questions! Maybe I just need to watch it again and all my complaints will vanish, lol. I'll give it a shot some other time. Too much other Gundam to get out of the way first... |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Well I kind of thought F91 suffered from the same problems here, maybe even moreso since it actually was planned to be a full series that was condensed down into two hours. But, I pretty much agree with your thoughts. Just being the devils advocate here I guess, lol... I believe there's some manga's and novels that fill in the gap between ZZ and CCA here, but yeah, we should get some real OVA's or a full series for that. That brings me to my biggest complaint or disappointment with the Gundam series, there are a TON of books and manga for it out in Japan and almost next to nothing here in the US. Probably a lack of interest here, but at least some of the CE series (Seed) and possibly 00 here are hopefully sparking up the Gundam interest here in the States, so we could maybe see some of this stuff get localized here. I mean, it's just crazy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gundam_manga_and_novels Char's Deleted Affair has me very interested, I think a few volumes have been scanned and translated but I think I've heard it's being done very slowly. Apparently it completely revolves around Char's character after 0079, when he goes to Axis and meets Haman and how their relationship plays out, and supposedly goes up to the events of CCA (not sure if it's finished though?) The Gundam world just seems so huge and I'm a sad panda that a lot of it isn't available here. :( |
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| Those brats destroyed the movie. They just should have died when the first asteroid came down to earth. SPIT in Hathaways face. XD |
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Echelon said: Char's Deleted Affair has me very interested, I think a few volumes have been scanned and translated but I think I've heard it's being done very slowly. Apparently it completely revolves around Char's character after 0079, when he goes to Axis and meets Haman and how their relationship plays out, and supposedly goes up to the events of CCA (not sure if it's finished though?) Oh dear lord stay away from Char's Deleted Affair (aka Char's Retconned Affair). Haman as a loli = do not want. |
| This movie left me both disappointed and stunned at the same time. Stunned because the animation and battles, keeping in mind this is from 1988, are just incredible. Disappointed, for as you've all witnessed, the lack of backstory. I mean, Char isn't shown in ZZ at all, so the last we see of him before CCA is in Zeta when we see the Hyaku Shiki float past the screen all beat up. And so then from there he becomes the leader of a huge army. Indeed there's a pretty large time gap, but it just leaves you wondering what the hell happened in that time. Same goes for Amuro and Bright being together on the same ship again, as Cihan pointed out. Still, I was very happy to see Amuro and Char go face to face again, but disappointed at the same time. |
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| Overall, I give this movie a thumbs up. Though like a lot of ppl I would have preferred more development. Quess and Hathaway have, and always will be annoying. And I didn't care much when they died. A lot of their scenes were just dumb. If they made this a series, and series of OVA's or even one more movie I think I would have been more attached to some of the newer characters. Tomino probably did the best he could with restrictions of a movie and at the very least the action was damn entertaining. Its sad that with all the talk of Newtypes and ppl understanding each other. Amuro and Char hated and misunderstood each other to the bitter end. |
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DonKangolJones said: Its sad that with all the talk of Newtypes and ppl understanding each other. Amuro and Char hated and misunderstood each other to the bitter end. I think that's the worst thing about the movie. Char is regressed back into a staple bad guy, when his character had so much development in Zeta Gundam. I dont think it's too much to ask for Char and Amuro to come to an understanding and end their character arcs being on the same side of a conflict. It's not a fanboy request, just a very satisfying and legitimate potential end to their stories in the franchise. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Adding a comment about Char's Mid-Life Crisis for the lulz. Echelon said: Maybe it's just me, but I still felt that both Amuro and Char were still in character. I'd be willing to bet they still had a good amount of hate towards each other even during Zeta, but both realized that the Titans needed to be wiped out and took their alliance professionally. Char's beliefs from 0079 to CCA still seemed to be intact, though I can agree I think he let some amount or revenge take over, the same can probably be said about Amuro with their whole Lalah issue, which I just always thought was weird. This is the part where people seem to disagree the most, but where I'm on the same side as you about CCA. Char and Amuro never felt like BFF's or anything in Zeta. They were comrades with a common goal who could get over their problems well enough to work together. When Char isn't able to accomplish his goal however, and they're pitted against each other again, they still have enough pent up hatred for one another to want to fight. Mind you I think their hatred is a lot more manufactured than either would admit, especially since Char was even having some troll's remorse over his ridiculous scheme, but at the same time the roots of a rivalry run deep whether there is truly hatred or just the goal to be better than your rival. Char's plan fitting is another highly contested area since we don't know where it came from really. The one idea I think that is terribly mistaken however, is that he was all about defending Earth in Zeta. Personally I think most of the stuff about humanity polluting Earth and whatever in his Dakar Speech was more of a ploy to further his actual cause of bringing humanity into space. Considering he was raised to avenge his father and taught that his father was right it's hardly difficult to see where he would be unable to relinquish the baton he was handed, even if it meant going to the extreme measures he did. Of course CCA does have plenty of problems, namely that it does the same thing as Zeta when it comes to the characters. I don't know what Tomino's thing about creating annoying minor characters that get no decent characterization and development for no reason is. I guess it's an, "all the better to kill them off," kind of thing, but goddamn is it frustrating. It's even worse when he takes a character who wasn't too bad and proceeds to make them awful (see: Reccoa, Katz). Plus the plot as a whole wasn't any good really, even if it does make sense with some filling in the blanks. Instead CCA is, to me, just about having the sexy as hell Sazabi and v Gundam and some awesome space battles. Those more than make up for a lot of the other retarded crap. |
| Just finished Char's counterattack, it could be a masterpiece if: -They hadn't ruined Char's Character -Put Quess -Killed good ol' Astonaige like that, c'mon he was a survivor from Zeta -Quess -_- -And can someone explain me why Neo Zeon helped Amuro stopping the Axis? Wasn't their objective crashing the axis into earth? (This is really a question, answer me maybe I missed something in the movie) |
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| Just seeing the Nu Gundam fighting in this movie was worth it. They portrayed Amuro and Char perfectly, especially Char. His character couldn't have been done better. And the animations were so amazing, despite the fact it's so old. Seriously, it beats every other gundam show I've seen. It was really a well-fitting conclusion to one of my favorite franchise. |
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Soulstrider said: I'm guessing they just felt the guilt from the asteroid, or were moved by Amuro's actions in trying to stop the asteriod. From that, they could have believed that if Amuro could try so hard to save the Earth, 'why can't the rest of humanity still living on the earth?' That's my belief, anyway.-And can someone explain me why Neo Zeon helped Amuro stopping the Axis? Wasn't their objective crashing the axis into earth? (This is really a question, answer me maybe I missed something in the movie) I just watched it, and in my view it was just epic. Though, the side characters added in randomly shouldn't have been added (as most people had only seen Gundam 0079 and Zeta prior, possibly Double Zeta). But, the final battle was definitely the most epic mobile suit battle scene I'd seen (I haven't seen all of U.C. yet, so I can't say completely). Thus, it's gotten a 10 from me. I feel it was a good end to one of the most epic rivalries of anime, Char Aznable and Amuro Ray. |
| What a disappointment. I would dare to say this movie was...generic. Sunrise let Tomino play "genius" while took the opportunity to make a profit out of it. Gundam has an incredible collection of freaks, and I just ask myself, why the hell some of them even existed in the first place. Quess, Gyunei, Chan, Hathaway, what the fuck Tomino had in mind when he had them occupy half of the movie? Drama? Cheap one? If "Earth's gravity" makes people greedy and arrogant, "space" infects stupid background characters with first sight obsession (not love, absolutely not). How many times we've seen people deflecting like nothing, just like that? Just to die pathetically in the end? Amuro and Char were left underdeveloped, something I can't forgive in a movie that, I understand, was supposed to be their final showdown! The movie was not bad, but it was let down. It came from nowhere, and there it ended. It wasn't conclusive, actually it didn't even make a lot of sense. |
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| This movie was complete and utter crap to me. All it had was pretty animation. The way they killed off all the characters just seemed to be "LOOK WE ARE LIKE ZETA" Kayra was the only death I felt had any meaning. It gave Amuro a reason to be afraid of his own mobile suits potential. Astonaige's death had no point. Like seriously. Why the hell... Chan's death could have worked, if they had actually done anything with Amuro. Instead he is just the generic hero fighting the generic badguy with the generic plot to destroy the world. YAAAWN. Lets see....who else Layla, I mean Four, I mean Quess died. Who didn't see that coming. I wanted to punch Hathaway for being an idiot. I enjoyed SEED Destiny better then this. |
| That was not what I expected and it was mainly the fault of Quess and Hathaway. better no backstory for the characters than a half-assed backstory. Zeon seemed a bit overpowered I hated that the federation had such lame standard suits and weapons they were only cannon fodder. They fired six rounds of missiles a this Axis thing and not a single one hit the target *facepalm* At least the battles were cool |
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| Was I the only one who liked Quess? Well mostly at least, she needed better development sure, but she wasn't such an unlikable character... unlike Hathaway. His killing of Chan was probably the worst moment in the movie, so completely random... generally the ending was bad, it killed everything the movie had built thus far... but the rest of it was quite good. I agree that Char's character could have been used better, especially if they actually bothered to explain why he had changed so much during these years, but judging this movie mostly as a standalone and pretending sth that explains his big change from Zeta exists then its good, he was quite a baddass bigbad afterall, if not a vilain protagonist to Amuro's hero antagonist... just ignore the ending... All in all having watched the series thus far I'm seriously doubting Tomino's value and wondering why the hell is Gundam so successful... nothing I have seen qualifies as a masterpiece, far from it... and I was extremely lenient with this movie too. |
Alas86Aug 3, 2010 3:39 AM
| Well I just finished watching this and, well, I thought it was a little ridiculous. As someone pointed out earlier- why did the neo-zeon mobile suits assist with stopping the asteroid? Also why didnt amuro and hathaway sound the alarm (or call someone) as soon as quess took off with char? Duh What was with that total douchebag cybernewtype zeon soldier that was obssessed with being better than char? Why had char turned into a crazy nutjob who decided everyone on earth needed to die or be forced to migrate to space? (Surely he wasn't serious with what he was saying to quess about gravity etc) I agree with what people have said earlier about his character certainly resonating to some extent with his character/personality in MSG but certainly not with his character in Zeta. Why were all the characters in this pretty much tossers apart from bright and amuro? oh I dunno... I just hope they bring back amuro and char in gundam unicorn- the ambiguous ending to the film (yes I know its different in the book) could at least turn into one good thing. At least one bit made me laugh, when nanai said; 'Londo bell should stick to ringing bells' or something like that... |
bongoSep 3, 2010 5:21 PM
| Holy crap, talk about drowning the movie in feel-good sentiment! Any more and they'd have to rename Amaru as "Jesus". They were doing such a great job beforehand too! I was totally digging this movie for the first half-hour, and then still enjoying it for the next hour, but that fucking ending just about suffocated me. I hate how much Char's character regressed. Regardless, the animation was phenomenal, and I'd even say it was worth watching just for the fights. Alas86, a big reason that Gundam was so successful is that it initiated the real robot genre. Besides that, the mobile suit concept is really freaking cool, regardless of how well the gundam series executed it. I think Tomino's value is something akin to one of our big hollywood directors. He doesn't really make masterpieces (though I (and nobody else on the planet) did feel that Brain Powerd was a masterpiece), instead he makes tons and tons of works that tend to hit a sweet spot in large demographics. |
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| Char and Amuro may be listed as dead in the books after this. But according to the anime only data they're only listed as MIA.. If only... If only they made one more story revolving around these two. |
| Well it looks like I am in the minority here but I thought this movie was great. I found the characterization of Char and Amuro and the portrayal of their rivalry better in this movie than in MSG, where Char barely got any character depth IMO until the very end of the series, or Zeta, where neither of them were the main focus. Don't get me wrong, I loved Zeta, but not so much for Char and Amuro. Zeta was focused on Kamille and I loved Kamille, and the other characters as well. I felt that in Zeta Char was too much in the background for me to feel much about him or have much insight into his thoughts, so I'm not in agreement with people who say his character has regressed here since Zeta. I think we weren't really shown much of his character progression in Zeta in the first place, despite how much screentime he had. I think Amuro actually got more development in Zeta and he was only in a few episodes. I would go so far as to say that this is tied with Zeta for my favorite Gundam, of what I have seen so far of the franchise (MSG, SEED, Zeta, 00, and this movie). |
sevenayMar 8, 2011 7:52 PM
Alas86 said: Was I the only one who liked Quess? Well mostly at least, she needed better development sure, but she wasn't such an unlikable character... It's not so much that I "liked" her but I don't hate her, in fact rather than judging whether I like her personality (which pretty much falls into the 'completely unrealistic anime girl' category) I am more interested in figuring out why Tomino wanted her there. I think maybe he wanted to have an 'anti-Lalah' who would fall in love with both Char and Amuro and create a new personal-level conflict, to create symmetry with the 0079 series. It wasn't portrayed all that well, though, I agree. They could have done a better job in making her serve that purpose. But at the same time I still found her enjoyable to watch. I think it would have been way better if the relationships were more developed between Amuro/ Chan and Amuro/ Quess. Quess/ Char and Quess/ Nanai wwere portrayed somewhat better though. I actually really liked those relationships. |
| Watched it again and I must say I enjoyed it a lot. Sure I was annoyed with the lack of back story and he fact Char is completely different, But other than Quess this is a highly entertaining movie. I absolutely loved the music, especially the credits song. Now that MSG is being remade and those Zeta movies have changed events making CCA impossible I wonder if they'll remake this? Maybe with a better backstory and character development... |
| Would have been nice if it wasn't Char who was leading the army, using him as a scapegoat for all this feels like choppy fanservice to me. |
| "My tables-meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." |
| Hathaway and Quess were just pointless, they distracted the narrative rather than keeping it together which I suppose they were introduced for, Char's characterization turned out weird as he didn't have any of that mystery left and although he was given some interesting additional depth at a couple of instances (his pride, Lala's significance to him, etc) but his take on the colonists vs Feds issue turned really extreme out of nowhere. And that ending was just weird.. But it started off pretty well and was quit entertaining, the first hour or so in particular really flew by. 5/10 |
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| My feelings about this movie reflect my feelings about all of the Gundam series that I have seen thus far: there are a lot of parts that I like but there also a number of substantial flaws that prevent me from giving it a really high score. The good stuff about this film was that we got to see more of the Char-Amuro rivalry. I always enjoyed seeing those two interact in the original series and I still enjoyed it here. Also, the animation got an upgrade for this film and it really showed in the action sequences - those were really well done. When it comes to the negatives, I would have to start with most of the new characters - they were not very good and mostly just there to serve as eventual casualties. Special mention has to go to Quess, though. As I have come to expect from this franchise, there has to be at least one terrible female character and Quess was it. I really don't understand why half the guys who met her suddenly developed the hots for her - totally inexplicable. Also, the ending was disappointing. I had really been enjoying the plot up until the point when Char starts talking about Lalah being a possible mother figure, the Zeon guys start helping stop the asteroid the set in motion, and when suddenly a magical space rainbow saves the day. Anyway, I still mostly enjoyed watching this film but it could have been a lot better, which is really unfortunate. In the end, I would give it 7 "Bright Slaps" out of 10. |
| Really like the Nu Gundam's mech design. Black and white color scheme just looks sexy. Other than that, the movie didn't really impress me. |
| Wow well i was extremely disappointed. This just...i am sorry to say sucked, bad. I was confused the whole time, Char suddenly being the leader of Neo-Zeon and Amuro piloting a Gundam again. This to me seems like some sort of alternate story or something, like Zeta or ZZ didn't happen. Also Quess and Hathaway, probably even worse than Katz and that other Newtype girl ( whos name i can't remember :p) and that's saying something, they ruined most of the movie for me. The new characters had nothing to offer..also felt rushed. Even ZZ was a lot better in some ways :/ :'(/10 |
| Honestly why the fuck bother introducing those characters especially that annoying brat Quess? And goddamn her voice in english dub is annoying. If this movie is all just about Amuro and Char's rivalry and not about those annoying kids, then this movie could have been really better. Plus, their last battle is underwhelming that i'm pulling my hair out when the battle is finished. Gundam the origin better fix all this shit especially the conclusion of their rivalry. Although this is just probably my wishful thinking and would not EVER happen. |
| I was pretty disappointed with this movie. After watching MSG, Zeta, and ZZ this was supposed to be my gundam victory lap, but it didn't quite live up to the hype. A few things I really disliked: Char was way out of character based on what we saw in MSG and Zeta. I mean he certainly was the kind of guy who wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve his goals, but I really don't believe that the Char who became Quattro and lead the AEUG would consider killing every person on earth. A lot can happen in 5 years, but to me it seems like it was more important to cast Char as a horrible villain to give the story more punch than it was to give conclusion and closure to the UC storyline and it's characters. Also, so much time was spent explaining the back-story of the previous series, which made the movie really drag at times. I can think of a couple examples where characters were having dialogues that were merely to inform the viewer as to why another character (mostly Char) was doing what they were doing. However, most of these scenes don't work and I would have rather seen them replaced with more Char screen time. Maybe then his radical character shift and motivations would have made sense to me. But it looks good I guess... |
MyLonesomeCowboy said: I was pretty disappointed with this movie. After watching MSG, Zeta, and ZZ this was supposed to be my gundam victory lap, but it didn't quite live up to the hype. A few things I really disliked: Char was way out of character based on what we saw in MSG and Zeta. I mean he certainly was the kind of guy who wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty to achieve his goals, but I really don't believe that the Char who became Quattro and lead the AEUG would consider killing every person on earth. A lot can happen in 5 years, but to me it seems like it was more important to cast Char as a horrible villain to give the story more punch than it was to give conclusion and closure to the UC storyline and it's characters. Also, so much time was spent explaining the back-story of the previous series, which made the movie really drag at times. I can think of a couple examples where characters were having dialogues that were merely to inform the viewer as to why another character (mostly Char) was doing what they were doing. However, most of these scenes don't work and I would have rather seen them replaced with more Char screen time. Maybe then his radical character shift and motivations would have made sense to me. But it looks good I guess... ^This I swear you took the words out of my keyboard. The only reason Char and Amuro were in this movie (and in those contrived roles) is because they're the most famous characters so Tomino needed their names to make people care/want to watch this movie (which is sort of understandable, but still). And yeah, some of the characters were really melodramatic and over the top. The final battle was amazing though. |
| This movie was way too rushed for its own good, too much info dumping and character just showed up to die before you got to know anything about them, char felt massively out of character. The action was good and it was entertaining but it had issues to be honest. It feels really disappointing cause this could had been amazing but it feels like it fell really short Im also glad im not alone on thinking char was out of character, i thought i was gonna be the only one but it seems others seem to share my sentiment Honestly I'm ok if the new translation of zeta retcons this and ZZ, cause honestly the series is better off without them |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| New Translation retcons ZZ only. |
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| I spent the entire movie screaming "DIE BITCH, DIE" at Quess. Could she possibly be the worst character in the history of anime? Her anticlimactic death actually pissed me off quite a bit. I wanted a more tortuous and painful death for her. Char, in all his insanity, was still suave as F*CK! Bright Noa is ALWAYS awesome!! |
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| Honestly, I'm not too surprised that this turned out as bad as it did. By the 3 minute mark, you can kinda tell. Then Lalah appears and you just know it's going to be one of those movies. The good things about this movie: -Animation; it's beautiful. -Char vs Amuro battle; 'nuff said. -The fights; the one battle where Amuro was fighting two Newtypes at once was pretty awesome. -Overall, I found Amuro to be the best character in this movie. His growth and maturity shows through even when dealing with Char. I just wish Tomino will stop giving the guy girlfriends, completely pointless. Char was... okay. I wouldn't say CCA destroyed his character, but it did ruin it namely due to context. While we can see how Zeta!Char becomes CCA!Char a little, there's too much of a time gap for it to be good. He's became so extreme that it creates a dissonance of what we know and in that sense, he comes off as a worst character. BUT, I did think "Lalah as a mother figure" was something interesting to his character yet it being a throwaway line highlights Char's weak character development. The bad: -Quess; she was bad; why she was added, I'll never know. She served no point other to annoy the audience. -Everything else; too rushed, no background to the story, no Kamille or Judau (not even a mention), Astonaige's death, etc. This movie felt like it needed a whole season to itself just to explain how we got to it. Considering Tomino can't tell a great story with 47-50 episodes, 2 hours is a joke. I'm sure the Sunrise executives were laughing. Nope said: New Translation retcons ZZ only. That's a darn shame. But, how can it retcon only ZZ when CCA takes place after it and references it? |
| Every Gundam so far that I've seen manages to outdo itself in terms of terrible female character bringing the quality down. Well, 0079 only really had Amuro's mother who was poorly handled and barely shown so that's not fair. From Sarah to Puru to now Quess my goodness how does Tomino manage to top himself every time. Everyone else seems to have touched on the rest of the problems with this movie, which I agree on. The plot and characters are terrible, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the visuals an absolute treat and decently entertained throughout so I'll still give this a 5. However it was very jarring seeing Mirai and Bright with eyes that weren't just dots. |
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| Jesus christ I freaking hate Quess and Brights dumbass son (Did he really straight up murder Chan for just doing her freaking duty?). Bright better slap the living shit out of his son. But anyway aside from all the annoying shit I atleast enjoyed all the battles and the Amuro vs Char final showdown. |
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| Wow just wow. I was really hype for this movie and was interested to see how Char's reappeared and why he disappeared throughout Gundam ZZ. Not to mentioned i just finished Gundam ZZ a few days ago. Mixed emotions, but here goes nothing. First off, i would applaud this movie for having the best animation for an 80s Gundam! Watching this on Blu Ray, bright colors, fluid animations, gruesome deaths, amazing OST everything was in place. I also love the new suits. It seems everyone has middle ground. Char or Amuro doesn't appear overpowering compared to other mobile suits. First off who the hell are these new characters? Quess? Chan? Where the hell did they came from??!?! Isn't Beltorchika supposed to be with Amuro since Zeta?!?! It would have even be better if it was Sayla instead. I do agree, Amuro should have alarmed Bright about Char being in the colonoy, but he already knew it from Mirai's former fiancee, which i'm surprised he's still alive all these years. How the hell did Quess who knows nothing about Mobile Suit, but only was interested on it, piloted some few rounds and the next thing you know, she's already a fully fledge pilot?? What the hell is this Gyunei's problem? First he said he looks up to Char and respects him, next thing you know he tries to take Quess away from him and wanted to surpass him out of nowhere. Also Char is into little girls?! Gyunei said he already has slept a lot of woman in his life time and always says Lalah's name when asleep. Also does anyone find it funny how Char's supposed lover "Nanai" is voiced by Sakakibara, Yoshiko who did Haman throughout the series?! I thought it was funny how Char hated Haman(even though they used to be together), but here they're lovers in a different name. And when did Char clinged to woman recently? The first hour was slow. It was a great opening, fights and awesome animation. But it slowed down and we had to wait till half of the movie till the fight resumed. I was also surprised about this Kayra girl. I didn't see her killed, but it seemed Gyunei broke her spine. WTF Astoniage was here in the movie? So where the hell is Torres and the rest of the crew?! Then out of a sudden he too dies as Chan deploys to battle?! This Rezin girl got easily killed as well. WTF is this Hathaway kid?!?! This kid pissed the hell out of me. Not as much as Katz from Zeta, but i bet if this movie was turned into a series i would probably be just as pissed as well. Why the fuck this kid killed Chan like that!?!?! I can't believed this. Seriously not even Katz did this to Sarah back in Zeta Gundam. This kid needs to be killed off now seriously. I'm surprised Amuro didn't grieved for a second. Nu Gundam looks awesome in this. I love how the funnels can create a temporary shield. I can see why Gundam Seed used a similar one for Akatsuki. Sazabi is also great!!! I'm glad Char has gotten a powerful mobile suit this time around. I also remembered how Char has never won a fight with Gundam against Amuro. I love how they remake the scene between Char and Amuro's battle, especially killing Lalah Sune. Even impress they were able to get Keiko Han to voice her after all these years. The final battle is amazing, it really reminds me of Gundam 079 when Char and Amuro started fencing and all. Now here comes the problems. Why the hell did Char wanted to destroy Earth out of a sudden!?! Seriously he never ONCE resented Earth., especially in Zeta Gundam. Char acts too differently here. Too aggressive for some freaking reason. Also remember how Char went back to Earth to laugh at Amuro?! It signify that he was able to move with Lalah's death(even mentioned he was out there to search for her soul), compared to Amuro who was over grieved with Lalah's death. He never once were haunted by Lalah AT ALL. And now out of a sudden he wants his revenge after all these years? Why didn't Char killed Amuro back in Zeta? And wow Char wanted Lalah to be his mother?!?! Even though Lalah was actually to become his lover and companion/ They even kissed before sorting out. It's funny how Char and Amuro started fighting when they met in the colony, yet back in Zeta when they finally met after 9 years, they were actually cool with each other and didn't even start a fight. Char kept his cool and intimidated Amuro. While here, he's too aggressive and brash for some reason. One thing i would applaud is how Char HIMSELF sent the Psycho Frame data to October to Chan. He said it would be ashamed if Amuro didn't have a powerful mech to fight against him. Now that's the Char i know. And What's up with the Psycho Frame lighting green like that?! I understand that it's probably the awakening mode like Zeta and Double Zeta. But wow it actually pulls everyones souls and the colony itself. That's kinda unbelievable tbh. But if Double Zeta can produce souls that Judau has never met, then anything is possible here. Speaking of Judau, if Earth was in trouble, where the hell was Judau and crew!?!?! I'm sure if they heard Earth being trouble, they would immediately sort Double Zeta and helped stop Char and all. I can't believed the ultimate Newtype is nowhere to be found on such a crucial moment. I'm disappointed that Judau wasn't able to met Char in his life time. With all the trolling they did with Anime Ja Nai OP, showing Char and Judau against each other. You would think they would actually met in the series. I have a feeling Judau would have convinced Char to stop dropping Axis to earth. Speaking of dropping things. How the hell did Haman was able to drop Axis with no problems in Earth, killing millions and effectively polluting the area. But when Char's does the same thing, he actually gets tons of enemies and army out of nowhere. I find it funny how Char refused to align with Haman and would rather let people learn their own ways. He even wanted to forget his true name "Casval Rem Deikun" and Zeon's ideologies. But here he did the SAME thing Haman asked him to do. He lead Neo Zeon, dropped an axis as well as teach Earth a lesson about the they're cruelties as they watch in space. Also how the hell did Char get such a huge army out of a sudden?! As far as i remember the Neo Zeon army belonged to Haman. Where were this generals when Haman was alive?!?! So Char and Amuro's souls gets wiped about by the intense Psycho Frame "powers" does pulling their souls and axis away from earth. I finally know how both died in action. But it's disappointed they just "disappeared" like that. The ending was okay, tbh i didn't felt any sadness when the two left. It seems they were just dragged by the axis and disappeared into thin colorful dust. So what happens to the Neo Zeon army? I'm pretty sure they were alive, especially Nanai as she see Char disappears. I do hope they appear in Gundam Unicorn in some way. Okay here's how i would fixed this movie and connect Gundam 079-Gundam ZZ First off, in Gundam ZZ, they should have let Judau and Char met. Maybe Char would discuss how his fight with Haman changed him and no longer see Earth as is. Maybe she was right about everything and would join her allegiance. Doing this actually makes his view changed and it would make sense for him to drop an axis on earth. Heck they could even make it more brutal, show them how Kamille was killed in battle. Char would blame humanity for the insanity it causes, thus making his mental state unstable. They could even add more to it by Haman dying in front of him. He would be determine to drop a axis this time around does killing everyone and restarting Earth as a new. Judau and Amuro would work together along with Roux, Elle, Beecha, Mondo, Iino, Leina(back up support). Judau will pilot Double Zeta(with improvements), Roux with Zeta, Ell with Gundam Mk II, Beecha as Hyaku Shiki(Char would even be surprise seeing this), Mondo and Beecha on deck. I would removed Chan and any new character. Instead would just put Beltorchika and Sayla. Maybe Sayla could stop Char from doing this. I'm also disappointed that they didn't show any more backstory between Char and Haman. He addresses Haman in his speech, but does he know she's dead? Does he know who killed her? What did he feel upon learning her death? As for people wanting to retcon Gundam ZZ. Give it up, it's freaking canon and there's nothing you can do about it. Even if the New Translations movies were canon. It doesn't mean the characters of Gundam ZZ would not exist. It just means Judau would have not piloted Zeta and instead everyone would have stayed in Shangri-La colony. I'm sure Kamille would have at least met Roux and upgraded his machine to Double Zeta. Seeing Kamille in Double Zeta would be awesome though I''m glad Judau was made though. There's a reason why he's the Ultimate Newtype. Combines Kamille's pilot skill and aggressiveness and with Amuro and Char's calmness to booth. There's a reason why he was able to defeat Haman like that back in Gundam ZZ. Everything was a missed opportunity. It seems they just throw all the lore out of the window and started making random new characters out of nowhere. One thing for sure, i kinda liked Amuro here. I wasn't really a fan of him at all. He whines alot in 079, Zeta couldn't move on due to Lalah's death, Kamille showed how badass a pilot can be, and Judau perfect that with his calmness and balancing his killings. Seeing Amuro in Nu Gundam is awesome!! Although i know Nu Gundam is an incomplete version of Hi Nu Gundam which a lot of Gundams took inspiration including Freedom Gundam from Seed and Reborn Gundam from 00. Wish they used Hi Nu Gundam instead. That would have been much better. Oh well at least the animation was amazing and the best ever in the 80s ear. Now that was a long reply! Probably the longest message i posted in years. I would give this series an 7 or 8/10. But since i loved the animation and fight scenes i would give this a 9/10. Of course, the true score if you accounted everything, it would definitely range from 6-8. Especially when they ignored a lot of lore material over the years. Oh well at least, i'm finally done with this! Now i'll be watching the Gundam Side Stories: War in the pocket, Stardust Memory, 08th etc. I read many great things about the side stories. Farewell Amuro and Char. You had one of the best rivalries in Gundam history and Anime history. Just wished it was more fleshed out and instead of tragically dying like this. |
SomaHeirAug 12, 2015 9:53 AM
| i give this 6/10 so many stupid scene that make cringe or mad. fuck you quess and hathway |
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| i like the battles in this one. The characters were alright. I get REALLY SICK OF CHARACTERS SURVIVING IN SPACE WITHOUT THEIR "Normal" SUITS ON. Quess has no PROTECTION AT ALL. and was just fine like wtf. At least Kamile had a bit more reason and things that actually happened to him. I was going to give this maybe a 6 but it turned out rather silly. So maybe a 5? 4? Low 5. |
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