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Shub-Niggurath said: Well, I didn't intend to make it seem like I want it to just be one thing and then just stick with it. I don't really care about genres and the like... in fact the only reason I'd ever classify anything is for the sake of making discussion easier.I wasn't saying that it's not "unpredictable", I meant that in my, and I think a lot of others', opinion that's not really the reason that it's bad. Being random/unpredictable is one thing, but ass-pulls are a completely different level of random... I mean, I can generally walk out my door and assume that a shark is not going to jump out of a tree and bite my head off. Therefore, in any series it's typically a good rule of thumb when you're already a third of the way through a series that it's going to have negative results if you suddenly apply some half-assed change in your established logic in the series. I'm not saying that it can't be done successfully because it's not really all that uncommon. Like I said I actually loved it when they did that ass-pull because I thought they were going to go somewhere with it. Also one of my biggest issues here is that unpredictability is not a big enough factor. It's only "unpredictable" in that they establish a certain logic and then they just pull something that makes zero sense if you go with said logic. Well, qualifying a show as "bad" just because it didn't follow a certain plot route that you would love after a huge breaking plot point like GG it's kinda biassed. Well, I actually don't hate the series... I shouldn't have said it like it's objectively bad. What I should have said is that I think the way they handle their "big reveals" is very disappointing. And I'm only disappointed in the fact that they don't do anything with their potential build-ups. It's not that they "didn't follow a certain plot route" that I wanted, it's that they pointlessly included Guillotine Gorilla among other things. I don't ever consider it a good thing when a series does something with no purpose whatsoever. Like the fact that heads were chopped off was treated like it was completely normal and not surprising at all, and even now served absolutely zero purpose besides maybe as shock imagery.I know people that hated SamFlam because they loved the shit out of the first sixth episodes and then dropped it after GG, and people that were bored with the SoL-kind-of of the first episodes and loved GG. You can't be loved by everyone. The biggest problem I have with that is that they didn't do anything special at all with the series... they simply included a gruesome scene at the end of an episode, and somehow went from making it momentarily darker/grittier in a single instant, to somehow turning it into your average Super Sentai series, and now it's back to square one. Well, we have 6 more episodes to see what happens. And i don't think that the super sentai part never happened, i mean, people are in jail. I didn't mean plot wise it never happened, I meant that the series creators are treating it like all of the Super Sentai-type things (such as the huge mech-fights) had no significance or purpose at all, and that was all merely inserted in to advance the plot.I don't mind so much that they include mechas, or gruesome scenes, etc, it's that there was no reason for it. Those things don't fit the series at all, they were just kind of there and now they're gone. But it's like you say, we still have 6 episodes left, which is plenty of time to tie everything together and show that it did serve a purpose in the end. I actually do think that it will at least have a satisfying ending, but I'll still be pretty disappointed if King Torture, and Manabe's hidden base, and the mechs, and all of those things were just there as plot fillers. |
HalibelTheEspadaFeb 9, 2014 8:55 PM
portgas123 said: Cried manly tears. AOTY. New OP is cool but still not as good as the first one, the yuri fanservice was really random. the scene with the homeless guy was pretty good. liked that Goto and Hazama were having a bromance reunion at the end of the episode there. |
JeffreyZin said: Mirorin said: Yeah... Mari you can go die. Mizuki can kill her off, and I don't mind if Moe dies along with Mari. Can't believe she didn't gain ANY character development from her encounter with king torture. In fact, she got worse. And, WHAT THE F--- YURI GO DIE. SO DAMN POINTLESS AND PISSES ME OFF. Drown in your puke. Please. Seriously, I could get to enjoying this show if there wasn't the constant reminder of freakin' Mari. Seriously, I rather see more of that hate-able prime minister. How many of these people rather wanna see her die instead of hating an evil characters? Geez take it easy. I guess everyone has their different opinions then... It's true that we all see things differently! Yet again I like the evil characters way better than Mari! King Torture, for instance - he might have been evil but he served a purpose, he followed his ideals and he died fighting for them and defending them! Honestly speaking, I don't really consider him a character that deserves to be hated instead I respect him because he took pride in what he did because that's what he believed in! While Mari, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to win my respect for her. She didn't have a change of heart after she was tortured which I was sincerely hoping for and to me she's a lost cause! I see no development in her character, she's so focused on her own self that she's just too blind to see how despicable she is! I don't like criticizing others but I just couldn't stay quiet! >.>'' |
| the punch, the kiss and the new OP |
| I think this episode is more better. The last scene with Homelessman and Masayoshi comeback to his bro :v *not i am not thinking with yaoi related thing XD* Looking forward for next episode But yeah I hate Mari from the start she show herself as Flamenco Diamond, and this episode made me more irritated with Mari. I mean her character got worse in this episode. The only one in MMM i like is only Mizuki. and Good job to Mizuki for punched that girl ==" |
| Oh for christ sake, we get it people, you don't like Mari. Frankly, I'm pretty sure we're not SUPPOSED to. But friends accept each other for their flaws. Hell, me and my friends talk shit about each other all the time. But at the end of the day, we enjoy each other's company. That's the way I saw MMM this whole time. Of course, to an outsider we can't really understand what draws people together, because it's just something that happens regardless of logic. |
| Good episode. Reaching the low point. Nice character development. |
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Mirorin said: Damn son, should everyone you don't like die? What an overreaction.Yeah... Mari you can go die. Mizuki can kill her off, and I don't mind if Moe dies along with Mari. Can't believe she didn't gain ANY character development from her encounter with king torture. In fact, she got worse. And, WHAT THE F--- YURI GO DIE. SO DAMN POINTLESS AND PISSES ME OFF. Drown in your puke. Please. Kikimorka said: I have to say I don't really see where King Torture served a purpose... it seems like he didn't matter whatsoever. He was only a speck of "Beyond the Horizon" which was all made up to begin with. Before Beyond the Horizon came about he had potential to be someone cool and interesting though. I kind of doubt much about him was even true, but I did feel the way you do at the time he died.. but now he just feels like a bit of wasted potentialIt's true that we all see things differently! Yet again I like the evil characters way better than Mari! King Torture, for instance - he might have been evil but he served a purpose, he followed his ideals and he died fighting for them and defending them! Honestly speaking, I don't really consider him a character that deserves to be hated instead I respect him because he took pride in what he did because that's what he believed in! While Mari, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to win my respect for her. She didn't have a change of heart after she was tortured which I was sincerely hoping for and to me she's a lost cause! I see no development in her character, she's so focused on her own self that she's just too blind to see how despicable she is! I don't like criticizing others but I just couldn't stay quiet! >.>'' I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Mari, and I can understand why a lot of people hate her... but she definitely did develop after that whole ordeal. If anything the only purpose King Torture served at all was to develop her character. Of course not everything changed about her... she's still selfish but she lost all of her cocky, overconfident attitude toward being a hero and realized she wasn't truly a hero. What do you mean she doesn't see how despicable she is? Over half this episode was about her realizing her wicked nature. |
HalibelTheEspada said: I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Mari, and I can understand why a lot of people hate her... but she definitely did develop after that whole ordeal. If anything the only purpose King Torture served at all was to develop her character. Of course not everything changed about her... she's still selfish but she lost all of her cocky, overconfident attitude toward being a hero and realized she wasn't truly a hero. What do you mean she doesn't see how despicable she is? Over half this episode was about her realizing her wicked nature. *High Fives* You're not alone. |
JeffreyZin said: HalibelTheEspada said: Damn son, should everyone you don't like die? What an overreaction. Wow, I can't believe you just said that. THIS is what anime is all about. Evil Psychopathic/Jerk/Douchebag characters really gets us nerves, obviously (Other anime like To Aru series, Sword art online, Accel World, Gundam Series & etc are always like that.). But hating on idiotic characters instead is just ridiculous. Like I said, everyone has an entitled their own opinion. duh, and his/her opinion is just that: people are overreacting. In my opinion, getting that worked up over fiction is weird. Stop marrying DS girlfriends, throw away your body pillows and go outside I say :P |
| Perfect. Some beautiful scenes with beautiful atmosphere. Now we can see there's good at this world, thanks to Masayoshi. It's not fair for heroes ;.; It's everything politicians fault x) I also adore this relationship with Gotou and Masayoshi, and we're all glad that our hero finally came back to him =) Reall, I wish all episodes would be like this one ! ^^ And Mari, so you see, she won't be with Gotou, she's lesbian, she even showed it before. Mystery solved xD |
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HalibelTheEspada said: Well, I don't really want to convince you or anybody else to see things my way! I understand you but I don't agree with you, sorry! ;D Even if King Torture turned out to be part of the whole Beyond the Horizon plan, I don't think this belittles him. Because to me, he's the same as Masayoshi, just on so-called dark side! But these are my own feelings and I don't expect you to share them! ^^''Kikimorka said: I have to say I don't really see where King Torture served a purpose... it seems like he didn't matter whatsoever. He was only a speck of "Beyond the Horizon" which was all made up to begin with. Before Beyond the Horizon came about he had potential to be someone cool and interesting though. I kind of doubt much about him was even true, but I did feel the way you do at the time he died.. but now he just feels like a bit of wasted potentialIt's true that we all see things differently! Yet again I like the evil characters way better than Mari! King Torture, for instance - he might have been evil but he served a purpose, he followed his ideals and he died fighting for them and defending them! Honestly speaking, I don't really consider him a character that deserves to be hated instead I respect him because he took pride in what he did because that's what he believed in! While Mari, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to win my respect for her. She didn't have a change of heart after she was tortured which I was sincerely hoping for and to me she's a lost cause! I see no development in her character, she's so focused on her own self that she's just too blind to see how despicable she is! I don't like criticizing others but I just couldn't stay quiet! >.>'' I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Mari, and I can understand why a lot of people hate her... but she definitely did develop after that whole ordeal. If anything the only purpose King Torture served at all was to develop her character. Of course not everything changed about her... she's still selfish but she lost all of her cocky, overconfident attitude toward being a hero and realized she wasn't truly a hero. What do you mean she doesn't see how despicable she is? Over half this episode was about her realizing her wicked nature. About Mari, yeah, she realized that she's not suited for being a hero, that's true, I'm not denying it. But her behaviour didn't change - I don't approve of people taking it all out on their friends who are doing their best to help them out. This kind of attitude really puts me off. Yet, that's my personal opinion! (⌒∇⌒*) |
Kikimorka said: HalibelTheEspada said: Well, I don't really want to convince you or anybody else to see things my way! I understand you but I don't agree with you, sorry! ;D Even if King Torture turned out to be part of the whole Beyond the Horizon plan, I don't think this belittles him. Because to me, he's the same as Masayoshi, just on so-called dark side! But these are my own feelings and I don't expect you to share them! ^^''Kikimorka said: I have to say I don't really see where King Torture served a purpose... it seems like he didn't matter whatsoever. He was only a speck of "Beyond the Horizon" which was all made up to begin with. Before Beyond the Horizon came about he had potential to be someone cool and interesting though. I kind of doubt much about him was even true, but I did feel the way you do at the time he died.. but now he just feels like a bit of wasted potentialIt's true that we all see things differently! Yet again I like the evil characters way better than Mari! King Torture, for instance - he might have been evil but he served a purpose, he followed his ideals and he died fighting for them and defending them! Honestly speaking, I don't really consider him a character that deserves to be hated instead I respect him because he took pride in what he did because that's what he believed in! While Mari, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to win my respect for her. She didn't have a change of heart after she was tortured which I was sincerely hoping for and to me she's a lost cause! I see no development in her character, she's so focused on her own self that she's just too blind to see how despicable she is! I don't like criticizing others but I just couldn't stay quiet! >.>'' I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Mari, and I can understand why a lot of people hate her... but she definitely did develop after that whole ordeal. If anything the only purpose King Torture served at all was to develop her character. Of course not everything changed about her... she's still selfish but she lost all of her cocky, overconfident attitude toward being a hero and realized she wasn't truly a hero. What do you mean she doesn't see how despicable she is? Over half this episode was about her realizing her wicked nature. About Mari, yeah, she realized that she's not suited for being a hero, that's true, I'm not denying it. But her behaviour didn't change - I don't approve of people taking it all out on their friends who are doing their best to help them out. This kind of attitude really puts me off. Yet, that's my personal opinion! (⌒∇⌒*) Exactly! I loved King Torture! He was sick of people half-assing being "good." So he became evil. All his minions put everything they had into being evil. That's why he couldn't stand or bother to even care about Mari because he saw through her bullshit while he saw something in Masayoshi (his passion for good). I'm paraphrasing from memory here, but as Beyond Flamenco put it: "We're all crazy to an extent. We only differ in how crazy we are, and what we're crazy about." |
| Delicious kiss with barf and tears (T┰T ) |
| Good episode, felt like the good old days~ Mizuki is best girl! I still hate the fact that the bastard who setup Mari is forgiven and didn't receive any punishment. |
| Yeah,this anime is all about the US government. |
| Let's get us some more yuri. |
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| It was a long time I hated a character as much as Mari...Well atleast she is finally out of Goto's place. |
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10th_man_down said: yeah I feel the same way and also that girl-to-girl kissing scene was annoying as fuck I didn't find it entertaining.. not one bit Mari will definitely be one of my most hated anime characters once this anime ends and she stays the same.. just fuck it man and fuck yuri.It was a long time I hated a character as much as Mari...Well atleast she is finally out of Goto's place. this may have an interesting plot but Mari and she alone is enough to make me give this a score lower than it deserves.. I just can't ignore her nice scene there with the old guy but Masayoshis's flashbacks of Goto makes it look like its yaoi... man first yuri and now this... God... |
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| THIS IS SO FUCKING AMAZING. Masayoshi almost turned into a thief because of the hunger, he was a hero who uphold justice but he almost broke the law himself, that part was extremely good. The part with the old man was amazing too, he helped that old man in the past, and his action affects them, making them believe that there are still good people out there in the world, and the world is not as grim as it seems to be, and now it's the old man's turn to save SamuMenco, just wow.. When Masayoshi was running to Gotou, with the OST playing in the background, it gave me hope, a lot of them. Seriously, this show is amazingly underrated. Didn't quite like Mari, her attitude needs a fix, seriously. The MMM threesome kinda turns me on LOL. >.> P.S. Hazama's rage was awesome when he was watching the TV/news. |
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10th_man_down said: It was a long time I hated a character as much as Mari...Well atleast she is finally out of Goto's place. She also makes me unnecessarily dislike Morita, but that's still nothing compared to her. ToG25thBaam said: THIS IS SO FUCKING AMAZING. Masayoshi almost turned into a thief because of the hunger, he was a hero who uphold justice but he almost broke the law himself, that part was extremely good. Agreed. And Gotou's reaction at the end was awesome~ |
| This sure is a huge turn in events! It's nice though that the girls have made up again but well let's see what the next episode has to offer us! |
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| Well. If that wasn't a nice return to roots. :) I love how important it shows his earlier exploits were. Wonder if the cheap flashiness was meant to highlight the purity of his spirit in those quiet days, where his heroism was known by only the littlest of people. |
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| Damn. I haven't seen any episode. I was going to... but trust when I say I don't know, but I can't simply see an anime that has Yuri/Shoujo Ai in it. Shounen Ai it's okay, I may even like more that most straight ones, but shoujo ai... meh. |
| "If I don't have to do it, I won't. If I have to do it, I'll make it quick." - Oreki, Houtarou |
| Highlights: -Mari being socked in the face, FINALLY (I cheered). i have never been so aggravated by a character this much. she should never be forgiven and should also be arrested for being a superhero just so i dont have to see her idiotic face again. um... yuri kiss was misplaced, and i wish it wasnt with mari the biotch. -Masayoshi finally goin to Goto-san. WOOOOOO. gogogo bromance O9 Also, poor boss/Axe guy... that restraint.. o__O |
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| Cool new OP animation. Is Lady Axe Kaname's wife?? I miss MMM. It's just that Mari is a bitch, she made Moe cry. I like that yuri part though :3 The homeless guy helped Masayoshi. It's true that when you helped someone, someone will also help you. Finally, Masayoshi go back to Gotou for help. Looks like Samurai Flamenco will be back soon. I hope so. |
| Mizuki punching Mari was the best part of this episode. That yuri moment felt weird. Out of nowhere. About time Masayoshi came to Goto for help. |
| Well, first half was horrible, Mari seriously has an AWFUL personality, and really cutting people's heads clean off is okay but vomit is weird blue-ish color xD? Second half was okay, bit slow compared to last episodes, too used to the comedy aspect now. If shit gets serious again I want to start thinking it trough again, but I really don't , cuz obv goto's place would be the first one to get a 24/7 stakeout waiting for masayoshi to appear... |
| Why is Mari's puke glowing white? |
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| This was a pretty good dramatic episode. Mari hated Morita for being a better person than she was. Mizuki kicked Mari's ass, and Morita pulled the ultimate guilt trip. The kiss was one of the better kisses I've seen in an anime. And a genuinely moving moment with the homeless man. It's too bad this episode couldn't have been in a better show. 4/5 Fortress_Maximus said: Why is Mari's puke glowing white? Probably a creative choice to make it less disgusting. |
| This was genuinely an amazing episode. |
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Myfriendshatehon said: So all the from Beyond members had a octupus like neck piece. The smallest group of members of from beyond were made of 4. An octupus has 8 tentacles. 4^8 = 65536, The exact number of members in From beyond. Now here's the real kicker: What does the toy in goto's gf umbrella look like. Oh hell if that ends up being true...damn it all. And also, Mari is a complete and utter total piece of shit. She truly can go and die in a corner. |
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| One of the best episodes in a LONG time. I'm glad they're going back to more realism - this show needed it the way it started out and charmed us. The development between all the characters here was amazing - so much growth. The love between Hazama and Goto have for each other is so pure I can't stand it. |
| A more down to earth episode, yuri peace was nice and I liked the part with the homeless guy. |
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| best episode thus far. also anyone rmb which episode samurai flamenco saved the homeless dude? |
| This episode was deep damn, also reminds me of another reason as to dislike Mari, thinks it is all about her her her, goodness me, she needs to mouth shut. But that makeup at the end o_o oh la la... Hazama really at the deep end too, but thankfully he was saved by one who looked up to him as he was saved by SF. It's a really cool cycle, and it helped Hazama out. SF is a real great guy. Also wonder if they actually show the dude being saved in the anime? Can't remember. |
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