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Jul 16, 2024 12:47 PM
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I tried to check this season's anime based on ratings, you got me there guys. Welcome, new anime lovers.
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Thanks for this little story about you.^^

Now let the guys enjoy the Show, kay? :)
Jul 16, 2024 1:05 PM
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Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.
Jul 16, 2024 1:07 PM
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I mean is on episode 2, can't really say nothing yet aside from first impressions
Jul 16, 2024 1:09 PM
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How about you read more into it before watching and hating on it next time
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Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.
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Overrated is just a word kids use
Alright uncle. Or perhaps you prefer me to call you grandpa?
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Jul 16, 2024 1:11 PM
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Dude, why can’t you just let people enjoy it?
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How about you read more into it before watching and hating on it next time
@KillerWaffle50 who hating it?
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Jul 16, 2024 1:14 PM
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Dude, why can’t you just let people enjoy it?
@GoCrayzee So what is the use of the discussion panel then?
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Jul 16, 2024 1:18 PM
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Hasn’t it only been 2 eps 💀… cope
Jul 16, 2024 1:23 PM
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mufarari said:
Animaticide said:
Overrated is just a word kids use
Alright uncle. Or perhaps you prefer me to call you grandpa?

call me daddy, it fits our relationship better
Jul 16, 2024 1:24 PM
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Animaticide said:
Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.

You used the word, kiddo.

But in reality, it is overrated so far. If the OP was wrong, you could have easily refuted him with pointing out why it has this rating.
Jul 16, 2024 1:29 PM
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Nivo3041 said:
I mean is on episode 2, can't really say nothing yet aside from first impressions


Kylixer said:
Hasn’t it only been 2 eps 💀


I was just asking the same thing, this is just episode 2, but in what aspect do people give this anime high marks? Graphics? That's why I was fooled, for me the story is more important. This is just another cliche about someone being underestimated and then later getting recognition. Well, the graphics are good, but I prefer graphics with 2D style coloring, not the eye-blinding ones.
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Nivo3041 said:
I mean is on episode 2, can't really say nothing yet aside from first impressions


Kylixer said:
Hasn’t it only been 2 eps 💀


I was just asking the same thing, this is just episode 2, but in what aspect do people give this anime high marks? Graphics? That's why I was fooled, for me the story is more important. This is just another cliche about someone being underestimated and then later getting recognition. Well, the graphics are good, but I prefer graphics with 2D style coloring, not the eye-blinding ones.


I think it depends, this may not be the case, but I always consider it a 50/50 when it comes to animation and story and how both combine each other on a visual storytelling medium to improve the pacing, expressions, characterization and backgrounds, but I think this one just looks nice despite having seen plenty of anime like this. The animation helped to improve some scenes to make it much clearer how the world and interactions between character works. Is this enough for the punctuation? I don't really know, and I don't care that much to be honest and even so I didn't liked episode 2 that much so...
Jul 16, 2024 1:43 PM
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drop it and let others enjoy it instead
Jul 16, 2024 1:50 PM
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I’m not gonna bash you cuz I agree with you it’s looking like it’s gonna be an eyecandy anime, but it’s episode 2 let it have some breathing room at least.
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I have a friend thats new to anime but doesn't use MAL and he refuses to watch anything other than current 2024 anime. This is one of them, I told him Mashle is better but he said it's outdated and the op is overused 💀
Jul 16, 2024 1:51 PM
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Yeah. Another generic Harry Potter animation with a simp prot, 0 Magic and overpowered strong with no Magic (as Black Clover and Mashle). 6 is more accurate.
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mufarari said:
@GoCrayzee So what is the use of the discussion panel then?

Definitely not to complain because you were "fooled" by an anime's rating.

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ktg said:
Animaticide said:
Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.

You used the word, kiddo.

But in reality, it is overrated so far. If the OP was wrong, you could have easily refuted him with pointing out why it has this rating.

lol are you daft? Of course I had to use the word to point out the word I was referring to.

As for the second part, by this time, this topic has been discussed so extensively that it should be self-explanatory just by what I said. But here, let me give a brief history lesson on the now common sense aspect of the discussion so you don't have to do a 5-second google search on how ratings work and risk injuring yourself: Whenever a new show comes out and it proves itself highly in at least one aspect (in this case, very high production quality rivaling movies), the ratings reflect what those few initial episodes make people expect from the rest of the show. As the show progresses and as more people watch it, the ratings adjust averaging the perceived notions of its audience towards a still subjective, but more normalized ratio that includes more nuanced considerations (story progression, character development, pacing, atmosphere, delivery, production, innovation; to name a few obvious ones).

In that regard, ratings –being a metric of mere enjoyment– can never be above (or below) whatever the hell its audience chooses it to be. You can disagree with an average score of course, but your contribution to that number is only a fraction of the overall appreciation of everyone who watched it, so in the grand scheme of things, your personal opinion is kinda irrelevant.

And that is why the use of the word "overrated" (oops, I used it again in context) is exactly what I said: a coping mechanism for contrarians who can't come to terms with the fact that they are a minority opinion and make blanket judgements to either stir controversy or seek some outsider validation of their feelings. It is especially meaningless in the early airing stages of a show where the ratings only reflect on a couple of episodes.

There, easily refuted. You're welcome.
Jul 16, 2024 2:04 PM
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it's fairly rated imo, the plot might be flawed , but
anything else is quite good
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Kast2 said:
mufarari said:
@GoCrayzee So what is the use of the discussion panel then?

Definitely not to complain because you were "fooled" by an anime's rating.

Not really "complaining", more like an opinion. Which is basically what the comment section or discussion panels are for, to give opinions on the topic.
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Do we gotta have a thread like this about Wistoria everyday? Who cares what other people are rating it. You checked it out, it wasn’t for you, and that’s great…so who cares if new or old anime lovers enjoy the anime and rate it higher than you would?
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ktg said:
Animaticide said:
Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.

You used the word, kiddo.

But in reality, it is overrated so far. If the OP was wrong, you could have easily refuted him with pointing out why it has this rating.

neither you nor the op have pointed out why it's overrated though??? lmao Sick discussion bwos.
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overrated as hell

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Kast2 said:
mufarari said:
@GoCrayzee So what is the use of the discussion panel then?

Definitely not to complain because you were "fooled" by an anime's rating.

Exactly. It’s to discuss anime, not to complain about a score. If you don’t like it then just drop it and move on.
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ktg said:
Animaticide said:
Overrated is just a word kids use when they can't understand how other people value things differently. Coping mechanism for contrarians.

You used the word, kiddo.

But in reality, it is overrated so far. If the OP was wrong, you could have easily refuted him with pointing out why it has this rating.

lol are you daft? Of course I had to use the word to point out the word I was referring to.

As for the second part, by this time, this topic has been discussed so extensively that it should be self-explanatory just by what I said. But here, let me give a brief history lesson on the now common sense aspect of the discussion so you don't have to do a 5-second google search on how ratings work and risk injuring yourself: Whenever a new show comes out and it proves itself highly in at least one aspect (in this case, very high production quality rivaling movies), the ratings reflect what those few initial episodes make people expect from the rest of the show. As the show progresses and as more people watch it, the ratings adjust averaging the perceived notions of its audience towards a still subjective, but more normalized ratio that includes more nuanced considerations (story progression, character development, pacing, atmosphere, delivery, production, innovation; to name a few obvious ones).

In that regard, ratings –being a metric of mere enjoyment– can never be above (or below) whatever the hell its audience chooses it to be. You can disagree with an average score of course, but your contribution to that number is only a fraction of the overall appreciation of everyone who watched it, so in the grand scheme of things, your personal opinion is kinda irrelevant.

And that is why the use of the word "overrated" (oops, I used it again in context) is exactly what I said: a coping mechanism for contrarians who can't come to terms with the fact that they are a minority opinion and make blanket judgements to either stir controversy or seek some outsider validation of their feelings. It is especially meaningless in the early airing stages of a show where the ratings only reflect on a couple of episodes.

There, easily refuted. You're welcome.
@Animaticide lol, kiddo can't understand jokes. Poor kiddo.

About your argument, it is true that a single aspect could boost a score early on, but there's not a single aspect where we can say that it is a really great show. No, it is not movie level quality, it is not even close to that. In this show there's an extensive use of blurring, which generally indicates 2 things. Their line work is weak and they needed to hide, while movie level quality shows don't hide it and/or they struggled with the blending of the foreground-background and 2d-3d, again movie level quality shows don't struggle with that either. So far the animation is above average, good, but not great. In that regard, we actually have movie level quality shows in this season, but it has lower score. That's why we can clearly say that it is overrated.
(Also, you can check how in that show, they don't hide their line work. Blurring in movie level quality shows is only used for focusing different parts of the screen. The show is Elusive Samurai.)

When it comes to the effects, even the 2d effects, they are pretty inconsistent because sometimes it is sharp and sometimes it isn't, which also proves my point. I put together montage about some screenshots from the show. The video was 1080p. Btw, there were even moments when they used 3d model that was sharp or at least sharper.
I also added one screenshot from CSM. I don't consider CSM as a movie level quality show, but they did better job and they didn't try to hide the line work.
https://imgur.com/a/5s7jJi7
Short explanation:
1. Sharp shadow of the glasses
2. Flames blurred. Remember the tiles on the ground for the next pic.
3. Ground sharp, even the column and the tiles different.
4. Pretty clearly 3d modell where everything sharp, except the magic which looks blurry as hell. Physically impossible and makes no sense directing-wise.
5. Attack beams and smoke blurry eventhough this should be in focus
6. As comparison, CSM's smoke is sharp, you can clearly follow the line even with this faint solution.

Obviously the character animation works, but that alone does not make something great.

As for the ratings, no, ratings are not solely about enjoyment in some cases it has nothing to do with it. Everyone comes up with his own unique rating system that might have nothing to do with enjoyment. For example, in my case, enjoyment is only 10% of the score that I give. Having a solely enjoyment based list wouldn't help others to look for shows that might be interesting for them.
So, in reality, most of the users try to incorporate some kind of objective evaluation. We know this because that's why people argue about shows.

Therefore, we can clearly call things overrated, but not in itself, because without a reference point, you can't call anything overrated. So when we have an Elusive Samurai level of animation that is much more consistent and yet it has lower score, we can call one overrated or the other one underrated.
With that in mind, people who think overrated is used by kids, are kids themselves. :)

There, easily refuted. You're welcome. :)

@Maxine1994
Tagged you here, so you can read it.
Btw, I already pointed out why it is overrated in other topics as well, because this is not a new discussion.
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mufarari said:
I tried to check this season's anime based on ratings, you got me there guys. Welcome, new anime lovers.

Goes to show you cant enjoy anything while coping with a single word that is overused so much by shounentards :/ Let people enjoy a show that has been here for 2 weeks okay? judge when it is done and not earlier than that. (or you mustve read the original works to rant a little)
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@Animaticide lol, kiddo can't understand jokes. Poor kiddo.

About your argument, it is true that a single aspect could boost a score early on, but there's not a single aspect where we can say that it is a really great show. No, it is not movie level quality, it is not even close to that. In this show there's an extensive use of blurring, which generally indicates 2 things. Their line work is weak and they needed to hide, while movie level quality shows don't hide it and/or they struggled with the blending of the foreground-background and 2d-3d, again movie level quality shows don't struggle with that either. So far the animation is above average, good, but not great. In that regard, we actually have movie level quality shows in this season, but it has lower score. That's why we can clearly say that it is overrated.
(Also, you can check how in that show, they don't hide their line work. Blurring in movie level quality shows is only used for focusing different parts of the screen. The show is Elusive Samurai.)

When it comes to the effects, even the 2d effects, they are pretty inconsistent because sometimes it is sharp and sometimes it isn't, which also proves my point. I put together montage about some screenshots from the show. The video was 1080p. Btw, there were even moments when they used 3d model that was sharp or at least sharper.
I also added one screenshot from CSM. I don't consider CSM as a movie level quality show, but they did better job and they didn't try to hide the line work.
https://imgur.com/a/5s7jJi7
Short explanation:
1. Sharp shadow of the glasses
2. Flames blurred. Remember the tiles on the ground for the next pic.
3. Ground sharp, even the column and the tiles different.
4. Pretty clearly 3d modell where everything sharp, except the magic which looks blurry as hell. Physically impossible and makes no sense directing-wise.
5. Attack beams and smoke blurry eventhough this should be in focus
6. As comparison, CSM's smoke is sharp, you can clearly follow the line even with this faint solution.

Obviously the character animation works, but that alone does not make something great.

As for the ratings, no, ratings are not solely about enjoyment in some cases it has nothing to do with it. Everyone comes up with his own unique rating system that might have nothing to do with enjoyment. For example, in my case, enjoyment is only 10% of the score that I give. Having a solely enjoyment based list wouldn't help others to look for shows that might be interesting for them.
So, in reality, most of the users try to incorporate some kind of objective evaluation. We know this because that's why people argue about shows.

Therefore, we can clearly call things overrated, but not in itself, because without a reference point, you can't call anything overrated. So when we have an Elusive Samurai level of animation that is much more consistent and yet it has lower score, we can call one overrated or the other one underrated.
With that in mind, people who think overrated is used by kids, are kids themselves. :)

There, easily refuted. You're welcome. :)

@Maxine1994
Tagged you here, so you can read it.
Btw, I already pointed out why it is overrated in other topics as well, because this is not a new discussion.
ktg said:
1. Sharp shadow of the glasses
2. Flames blurred. Remember the tiles on the ground for the next pic.
3. Ground sharp, even the column and the tiles different.
4. Pretty clearly 3d modell where everything sharp, except the magic which looks blurry as hell. Physically impossible and makes no sense directing-wise.
5. Attack beams and smoke blurry eventhough this should be in focus
6. As comparison, CSM's smoke is sharp, you can clearly follow the line even with this faint solution.


I agree with the blurry, but I think at least it was more subtle and organic instead of something straight bad, but are the others really that big of a deal tho? I don't even care that much since I watch at 480p to 720p, I'm just glad the episode loaded for me tbh

btw yeah, elusive samurai is really a visual spectacle
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@Animaticide lol, kiddo can't understand jokes. Poor kiddo.

About your argument, it is true that a single aspect could boost a score early on, but there's not a single aspect where we can say that it is a really great show. No, it is not movie level quality, it is not even close to that. In this show there's an extensive use of blurring, which generally indicates 2 things. Their line work is weak and they needed to hide, while movie level quality shows don't hide it and/or they struggled with the blending of the foreground-background and 2d-3d, again movie level quality shows don't struggle with that either. So far the animation is above average, good, but not great. In that regard, we actually have movie level quality shows in this season, but it has lower score. That's why we can clearly say that it is overrated.
(Also, you can check how in that show, they don't hide their line work. Blurring in movie level quality shows is only used for focusing different parts of the screen. The show is Elusive Samurai.)

When it comes to the effects, even the 2d effects, they are pretty inconsistent because sometimes it is sharp and sometimes it isn't, which also proves my point. I put together montage about some screenshots from the show. The video was 1080p. Btw, there were even moments when they used 3d model that was sharp or at least sharper.
I also added one screenshot from CSM. I don't consider CSM as a movie level quality show, but they did better job and they didn't try to hide the line work.
https://imgur.com/a/5s7jJi7
Short explanation:
1. Sharp shadow of the glasses
2. Flames blurred. Remember the tiles on the ground for the next pic.
3. Ground sharp, even the column and the tiles different.
4. Pretty clearly 3d modell where everything sharp, except the magic which looks blurry as hell. Physically impossible and makes no sense directing-wise.
5. Attack beams and smoke blurry eventhough this should be in focus
6. As comparison, CSM's smoke is sharp, you can clearly follow the line even with this faint solution.

Obviously the character animation works, but that alone does not make something great.

As for the ratings, no, ratings are not solely about enjoyment in some cases it has nothing to do with it. Everyone comes up with his own unique rating system that might have nothing to do with enjoyment. For example, in my case, enjoyment is only 10% of the score that I give. Having a solely enjoyment based list wouldn't help others to look for shows that might be interesting for them.
So, in reality, most of the users try to incorporate some kind of objective evaluation. We know this because that's why people argue about shows.

Therefore, we can clearly call things overrated, but not in itself, because without a reference point, you can't call anything overrated. So when we have an Elusive Samurai level of animation that is much more consistent and yet it has lower score, we can call one overrated or the other one underrated.
With that in mind, people who think overrated is used by kids, are kids themselves. :)

There, easily refuted. You're welcome. :)

@Maxine1994
Tagged you here, so you can read it.
Btw, I already pointed out why it is overrated in other topics as well, because this is not a new discussion.

Oh, spare me if that's what your interpretation of what humor is, with that low-brow rhetoric and surface-level condescension.

I'll grant you those specific observations are valid criticisms, but they don't affect the general aesthetic to people who aren't trained in the know-how of how compositing works and couldn't be bothered to analyze anything frame by frame in an effort to tear apart its mistakes. And I'll counterargue, as someone who works with digital media and animation, that it doesn't matter overall because it's not something the average consumer understands or even cares about. Case in point: KnY being frequently praised because of its "animation" when the animation itself isn't what they're truly pointing out as being outstanding; the god-like compositing is. Notice how I didn't mention the animation itself at all, but only focused on the production quality, which oversees a whole larger bucket of components, as you seem to be aware of. But I digress.

The elusive samurai is another great-looking show this season, if rather highly-stylized. Nothing to argue there. But because of its abundant use of stylization, if you understand animation, it is unfair to compare them as they obviously go for far different looks, cinematography, aesthetics, etc. But if we're delving into that territory...

I'd like to know which movies you're acquainted with, because for every heavy hitter that even your grandma watched (which all stand on a league of their own even for theatrical releases) like Suzume or The Imaginary, we get 5 Blue Thermals and Child of Kamiaris, to which this show is visually on par. On the other hand, saying it was movie-quality was a poor comparison on my part cause we've gotten far worse-looking movies than this and the generalization came back to bite me. Sorry for unintentionally giving you fake bait to gnaw on.

Anyways.

Your personal categorizations of the different aspects of a show are still your personal nitpicks and nuances of what quality and consistency mean for each one. You chose those categories against others and you yourself chose how to weight them against each other. I'm sure you are at least aware that they won't ever match someone else's list and criteria for each one. It still comes down to what is gratifying to YOU and you only (in other words: what appeals to you, be it technical, stylistic, narratively, complexity-wise, structurally...), no matter how much you try convince yourself they are as objective as possible. You can try to separate your obvious enjoyment and appreciation from each one as much as you want, but at the end of the day, objectivity doesn't exist in art. Please don't make me explain that to you.

It is YOUR opinion that the Elusive Samurai deserves a better score than this, and it was YOUR decision to claim that, by that comparison, that alone makes this show overrated (BTW, I do share that opinion, The Elusive Samurai is a much better show overall so far in MY eyes, but at least I am fully aware that it is my personal biases, taste, and technical know-how at play here).

And, finally, to be clear because I can sense a huge misunderstanding on your part by the way you've chosen to respond, I am not defending this particular show's score in the slightest, but rather arguing how pedantic, self-righteous, and abysmally-unaware it is to make a claim that anything you disagree with is clearly and objectively "oVeRratEd."

Who are you to decide that? Another nobody in the chasm of a niche internet forum.

You and I— we don't get to say how people choose to evaluate and rank anything, and this scoring system is a democracy, like it or not. It reflects only what hundreds of people with different criteria and "systems" think of the show. You and OP gain nothing by coming here trying to seek some validation from each other.

In any case, that was entertaining -dull dad jokes aside- so thanks for stirring me up, you won in that regard I guess.
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