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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen all I can see are excuses that you're making out of your a**

Rudy was literally a child when he lost his parents and at that point he didn't knew anyone else, (he met eris later) but he still didn't care about them

Umm, yeah he literally was a child. That was my point...he lost his parents too early to develop any real connection with them.

Just cuz they're his biological parents does not means his brain will automatically recognize them as the most important people in his life. That's not how humans function bud.
@SimplyBrazen I can't believe you said that. just because they're his biological parents then yes he should automatically care for them more than anything in the world,

like are you kidding with me, I m talking about parents man, parents, mom and dad, their is literally nobody in the world more dear to a person than his parents (not even wife)
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I can't believe you said that. just because they're his biological parents then yes he should automatically care for them more than anything in the world,

like are you kidding with me, I m talking about parents man, parents, mom and dad, their is literally nobody in the world more dear to a person than his parents (not even wife)

You've been raised by your parents. That's why you're close to them. If a human child isn't raised by his/her parents and hasn't been with them for most his/her life, they won't care about them. There have been countless experiments on this throughout modern human history. You overestimate human emotions and sensitivity, we're still animals by nature.
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yes but he is not the tipe of guy that would go out of his way to to cause harm to someone he is just greedy horny and lazy
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He still is, but in my opinion, the next season is where we really start to see Rudy change a bit
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I can't believe you said that. just because they're his biological parents then yes he should automatically care for them more than anything in the world,

like are you kidding with me, I m talking about parents man, parents, mom and dad, their is literally nobody in the world more dear to a person than his parents (not even wife)

You've been raised by your parents. That's why you're close to them. If a human child isn't raised by his/her parents and hasn't been with them for most his/her life, they won't care about them. There have been countless experiments on this throughout modern human history. You overestimate human emotions and sensitivity, we're still animals by nature.
@SimplyBrazen I think you're underestimating human connection over some delusional anime protagonist, If you put yourself in his shoes and learn your parents are in danger, I m sure you would go crazy and you'd try to do everything in your power to stop the danger including sacrificing your own life, at least that's what most sane people would do,

another thing is, even If you're not raised by your parents, but just a simple confession is enough, like I am your mother, and boom you start to love them,
the point is Rudy is a scumbag
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I think you're underestimating human connection over some delusional anime protagonist, If you put yourself in his shoes and learn your parents are in danger, I m sure you would go crazy and you'd try to do everything in your power to stop the danger including sacrificing your own life, at least that's what most sane people would do,

another thing is, even If you're not raised by your parents, but just a simple confession is enough, like I am your mother, and boom you start to love them,
the point is Rudy is a scumbag

That's such a childish sentiment😂

Anyways, if you really believe that then you've got your priorities straight, I don't disagree with you on the importance of parental connections, however it is not realistic to say you should always love your parents no matter what. I know ppl who've been raised by their parents, loved by them, and still hate them for whatever reasons.
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The Labyrinth Arc (20-24ep) is entirely dedicated to relationships with parents.
Rudeus, due to the fact that he was reborn, the first time he saw his “new” parents in the anime, he thought that they were too young (they were 17-19 years old, and Rudeus died at 34)
At the same time, he felt a duty to them for a second life, so he went to Begaritto, risking his life, leaving his wife for a long time, which was a difficult decision for him (before that, Rudy was looking for Zenith in the north, until the moment he met Elinalise , who said that Zenit had been found and her search was being stopped)
However, Rudeus did not feel any attachment to them, calling his parents by name from the first episode.
Rudeus sincerely thought that the most important things for Paul were Zenith, Lilia, Norn and Aisha, and only then he (separating himself from the family, thinking that he only moved into the body of their child, not accepting himself as their child) in his monologue.
And it is the end of part 2 of season 2, episode 10 (22ep), “Parents,” that he realizes how wrong he was.
He realized that he had repeated the same mistake as in his previous life, and only after he had lost them did he realize how dear they were to him.
This is what breaks him and he goes into depression for several weeks, starving himself.
Afterwards, he makes a mistake with Roxy, but this makes him realize that he is just like his father.
It is because of this that in the finale, in the scene in front of the grave, Rudy calls Paul father for the first time, for 17 years
@ALEXt0310 Now read your own text again, and you'll realize something, Can a son just sit idly and have sex with women and make babies with them just because some other character gave them some excuse to do so, like imagine if your mom is in danger, and your dad tells you to enjoy your life, I m looking for her, will you just go to parties and something,

Or some other character telling him to take it easy by giving him some excuse, no that's not what a son does and the other excuse about him not feeling anything towards them bcz of his mental age is Total bullshit, He should care about them even more, bcz the older we get the more we love our parents, all in all Rudy is a scumbag
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I think you're underestimating human connection over some delusional anime protagonist, If you put yourself in his shoes and learn your parents are in danger, I m sure you would go crazy and you'd try to do everything in your power to stop the danger including sacrificing your own life, at least that's what most sane people would do,

another thing is, even If you're not raised by your parents, but just a simple confession is enough, like I am your mother, and boom you start to love them,
the point is Rudy is a scumbag

That's such a childish sentiment😂

Anyways, if you really believe that then you've got your priorities straight, I don't disagree with you on the importance of parental connections, however it is not realistic to say you should always love your parents no matter what. I know ppl who've been raised by their parents, loved by them, and still hate them for whatever reasons.
@SimplyBrazen First of all it's not childish and you know it, that's how children should be toward their parents
And I get what you're saying, there are people like that, I've seen these people very closely but then you should openly call them out

THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUMBAG WITHOUT A DOUBT(including Rudy)
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen First of all it's not childish and you know it, that's how children should be toward their parents
And I get what you're saying, there are people like that, I've seen these people very closely but then you should openly call them out

THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUMBAG WITHOUT A DOUBT(including Rudy)

How it should be is irrelevant, that's just your own opinion and you can't impose it on everyone else just cuz YOU believe it.

And I also have never disagreed with you on Rudeus being a scum. I've just given reasons as to why I think the way Rudeus thinks isn't unrealistic nor surprising.
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That's true, Rudy's character is intentionally flawed, and his attitude towards his parents reflects that.
Jul 15, 1:35 AM
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen First of all it's not childish and you know it, that's how children should be toward their parents
And I get what you're saying, there are people like that, I've seen these people very closely but then you should openly call them out

THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUMBAG WITHOUT A DOUBT(including Rudy)

How it should be is irrelevant, that's just your own opinion and you can't impose it on everyone else just cuz YOU believe it.

And I also have never disagreed with you on Rudeus being a scum. I've just given reasons as to why I think the way Rudeus thinks isn't unrealistic nor surprising.
@SimplyBrazen I don't understand what is your problem, do you disagree with my opinion about parents? why is how it should be irrelevant?

and also I keep telling you don't me give excuses on his behalf, the way Rudy think is total bullshit, Rudy is a scum and it doesn't matter what weak reasoning you come up with it can't justify anything
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I don't understand what is your problem, do you disagree with my opinion about parents? why is how it should be irrelevant?

and also I keep telling you don't me give excuses on his behalf, the way Rudy think is total bullshit, Rudy is a scum and it doesn't matter what weak reasoning you come up with it can't justify anything

My problem is you think like a toddler. You've only made this forum thread to seek validation from those who agree with you and disregard all and any argument from those who have sth to say that differs from your original opinion.

If you make a discussion thread and you're not open to accept disagreement, then what even is the point of the thread?

Oh, and your sentiment is irrelevant cuz facts don't care about your feelings. But it seems you're not capable of understanding anything I've been saying regarding that.
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@SimplyBrazen I don't understand what is your problem, do you disagree with my opinion about parents? why is how it should be irrelevant?

and also I keep telling you don't me give excuses on his behalf, the way Rudy think is total bullshit, Rudy is a scum and it doesn't matter what weak reasoning you come up with it can't justify anything

My problem is you think like a toddler. You've only made this forum thread to seek validation from those who agree with you and disregard all and any argument from those who have sth to say that differs from your original opinion.

If you make a discussion thread and you're not open to accept disagreement, then what even is the point of the thread?

Oh, and your sentiment is irrelevant cuz facts don't care about your feelings. But it seems you're not capable of understanding anything I've been saying regarding that.
@SimplyBrazen I guess you have nothing else to say anymore, you're just yapping about nonsense now, even tho we agree with each other but for some reason you keep finding ways to argue with me,

I made valid point, that's all there is to it,

and about my sentiment, it's not irrelevant because my sentiment is a fact, people are like that in real life, at least most good people, now if you don't have a good relationship with your parents, don't come crying to me, you dumb idiot
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Took you long enough to realise this.
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

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people just cant acvept a flawed character huh
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Thing is for all it's good writing MT is just a sex-power fantasy plain and simple. Rudi is blessed with good looks and amazing magical power and naturally the girls are crazy about him and that's mostly what his existence is about. He's an OK person, he cares about other people, he wrestles with his conscience, worries about wrong and right, to a degree.
Also it is more realistic to have somewhat ambiguous feelings towards one's parents and family, you love them but you hate them too.
Anyway I don't think family is the main focus of MT it is sex. 😳

no, the main focus of MT is rudeus having a 2nd chance duh
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Yes he is.
Doesn't change the fact that he is still a great mc who keeps getting better as a human being.

Also after so much suffering maybe he deserve a big happiness before another turning point.
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Adventures in this world are know to sleep around. If you don’t apply your real world morals and look at things objectively most definitely not.
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I feel like people think he's not supposed to be one. The whole point of the story is his redemption. He was written to be a shitty person and to get a second chance to be a better one. Which he does. Is he perfect? no. Who is, though?

For all the flaws that rudy has, he grows a crap ton throughout the series(LN reader), and it shows you just have to remember where he started from.
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Gavinmercer said:
Thing is for all it's good writing MT is just a sex-power fantasy plain and simple. Rudi is blessed with good looks and amazing magical power and naturally the girls are crazy about him and that's mostly what his existence is about. He's an OK person, he cares about other people, he wrestles with his conscience, worries about wrong and right, to a degree.
Also it is more realistic to have somewhat ambiguous feelings towards one's parents and family, you love them but you hate them too.
Anyway I don't think family is the main focus of MT it is sex. 😳

haha, it's not sex. It's redemption. Lust is a part of Rudy's character, not the show.
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only seen season 1 but he grow up in this new world with his old ugly bastard personality and memories anyway
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@SimplyBrazen I can't believe you said that. just because they're his biological parents then yes he should automatically care for them more than anything in the world,

like are you kidding with me, I m talking about parents man, parents, mom and dad, their is literally nobody in the world more dear to a person than his parents (not even wife)

I dare you to tell this to the face of an orphan
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Mathi786 said:
@SimplyBrazen I can't believe you said that. just because they're his biological parents then yes he should automatically care for them more than anything in the world,

like are you kidding with me, I m talking about parents man, parents, mom and dad, their is literally nobody in the world more dear to a person than his parents (not even wife)

I dare you to tell this to the face of an orphan
@Kaz2015 What does that even mean? you think orphans don't love their parents?
Jul 15, 8:46 AM
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Adventures in this world are know to sleep around. If you don’t apply your real world morals and look at things objectively most definitely not.
@MrGeist I specifically said I don't mind him having 2 wives, I like that,
I think you didn't read my original thread, I was talking about him being indifferent towards his parents
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Some may, some may not. If one doesn’t have pictures of them, they may not even remember their faces. If you can’t remember this… how can that connection be established? If they were abusive and all you remember is them being the worst human beings… what is there to love?

Adoptive parents are different, since they are essentially giving that child the connection that will culminate into the love that you are talking about. That is… if they are loving parents of course
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I thought he made it pretty clear he didn't see them as his parents until Paul died to save him. His inner monologue in the labyrinth and his talk at Pauls grave answer this question.
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Some may, some may not. If one doesn’t have pictures of them, they may not even remember their faces. If you can’t remember this… how can that connection be established? If they were abusive and all you remember is them being the worst human beings… what is there to love?

Adoptive parents are different, since they are essentially giving that child the connection that will culminate into the love that you are talking about. That is… if they are loving parents of course
@Kaz2015 those things are exceptions, you don't talk about exceptions when making a general rule
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I thought he made it pretty clear he didn't see them as his parents until Paul died to save him. His inner monologue in the labyrinth and his talk at Pauls grave answer this question.
@killzone3abc and I thought I made it pretty clear and some other people also said that's total bullshit,

he was pretty happy being breastfed by them or being of taken care by them

it's just a petty excuse from author's side for some cheap character development
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Rudy even said that he feels indifferent about parents, especially towards his mother, because he got separated too early from them and he doesn't have enough memories about time he spent with them.
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That quite literally the main point of the show. Rudy is literal scum who has been given a 2nd chance to become a better person.
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Everyone is an arsehole to someone, so you aren’t making much of a point as you think you are. And your view on how children and parents have to be is very immature
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yes rudeus greyrat is a scumbag
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Everyone is an arsehole to someone, so you aren’t making much of a point as you think you are. And your view on how children and parents have to be is very immature
@Todday you're talking like an edgy 14 years old, 😂😂😂😂 do you think you said something deep and mature?
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well if it makes people invested in the show, he's gonna have his redemption arc or x users gonna x him via dms, letters, red paint and x gon give it to ya.
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I just want to say that there's a great portion of anime watchers that should really just stick to shonen genre. Don't try to jump over your head. It's okay to be clueless in some aspects, not everybody should be media literate, peasants also have their role in society.
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Gavinmercer said:
Thing is for all it's good writing MT is just a sex-power fantasy plain and simple. Rudi is blessed with good looks and amazing magical power and naturally the girls are crazy about him and that's mostly what his existence is about. He's an OK person, he cares about other people, he wrestles with his conscience, worries about wrong and right, to a degree.
Also it is more realistic to have somewhat ambiguous feelings towards one's parents and family, you love them but you hate them too.
Anyway I don't think family is the main focus of MT it is sex. 😳

I need more of that core theme you talk about being displayed on the screen.
@Puntosmx This is not true, though. He loses most battles and generally relies on teamwork and stronger allies. As to whether he is a scumbag, he believes he is. A lot of the characters in the story do. In fact, he is a walking series of contradictions, which makes him an interesting character. He is a pervert but only has sex, though, with three characters throughout the story. Think of how many women the average man has sex with throughout his life. It's probably more than Rudeus. He is physically strong when it comes to magic but emotionally weak. He will sometimes fail to take action when morality would seem to demand it but sacrifices beyond human expectation for his family. He is looked up to for his magic ability but looks down on himself. He never seeks glory but becomes rather famous, if not as famous as one would expect. He cheats but is a family man first and foremost. Sex plays a rather large role in the story because the author believes it is one of the central human drives in life and this is a story about his life.
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I just want to say that there's a great portion of anime watchers that should really just stick to shonen genre. Don't try to jump over your head. It's okay to be clueless in some aspects, not everybody should be media literate, peasants also have their role in society.
@al_vl Now that is a very beautiful way to insult someone,even tho you lost the touch in last line but still loved it, it's very refreshing to be insulted in this majestic way,

Anyway you're wrong
Jul 17, 8:47 AM

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Scumbag is a literal understatement.
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He is a scumbag, still like his character, and the series
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No, because he doesn’t actually care about them since they aren’t actually his real parents. He’s a scumbag for being a pedo.
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The anime cuts out too much, but the ln goes deep into Rudy’s character. The anime is surface level at best and doesn’t really dig into and expand on his character, leaving out crucial details when explaining Rudy’s hang-ups, trauma, or his outward indifference. Highly recommend reading the light novel to get the full picture.
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Mathi786 said:
Don't you think that rudy is too indifferent towards his parents


That's the thing: They aren't really his parents, just "people he used to live with" (In his own words), and when the incident happened, he already wasn't living with them for the past three years.
And remember: He didn't know about the extent of the teleportation incident until he reached Milishon, and he couldn't know his parents were involved, considering that there is quite some distance between "ground zero" (Where he was) and Buena Village.

I don't understand your other complaints: He was learning to get stronger throughout the whole journey, and that's not exactly at odds with finding his mother. Speaking of which, that's exactly what he went to do after delivering Eris.

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and he spent years curing himself



  • The events on Rinnoa spanned only 1-2 years, IIRC.
  • He went there under the advice of both Elinalise and the Man-God
  • While studying the teleportation incident (Once again, under the advice of the Man-God)
  • Paul sending his two-daughters there serves as an approval of his choice


>InB4 "But his parents did treat him like their child"

Yes, that's the whole point, that's why he got depressed and full of regrets at the end of the season.
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Rudy is the best. Simple as that :)
I'm not reading any replies or comments directed at me at all. I know my truth and if you disagree: that's fine but i couldn't give a damn about :)

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He literally says it so yeah. Still a great character
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He was literally masturbating while his real parents' wake was going on, why do you think he would care about his new parents?
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Yes. It's not even a debate, and it's not like one of those topics where you say it can be subjective blah blah. He is a scumbag by definition.
It is shocking to find how many people do not believe they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult.
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He's not a scumbag. I've watched the series from episode one and have a few episodes left to go in season two, but throughout the length of that viewing experience I haven't seen any one character I would call and just dismiss as a "scumbag", except maybe Pax.

But this decision on his part is not one I can agree with. I'm talking about the decision to treat it in a fairly laid-back, easygoing, cavalier manner as if it's no real big deal if it takes years to find your mother who is potentially trapped, imprisoned, enslaved, or in any other form of mortal peril. I don't like the way it was handled in the show and it felt very mishandled, at least in the way it told this part of the story and relayed it to the audience, or made his feelings on the matter clear, which it simply didn't do. I felt as if the season finale of season one and this entire emotional momentum they sought to end and capitalize on really just amounted to a bait and switch.

Because his entire motivation for getting over a throwback to the psychological state of his former life (as the person he was back in our world/Earth), over a seemingly almost-insurmountable psychological and emotional hurdle, getting out of bed and taking a step forward, having the courage to face the outside world again after suffering another trauma - That motivation was portrayed to be the absolute vital imperative and necessity of finding Zenith, as if it was the single-most important mission in the world, naturally accompanied by an unspoken sense of urgency. One he was willing to "get over" his fears, depression symptoms, and self-loathing enough to at least set out on a new adventure, risking his own relative safety and comfort hunkered down in his shell for.

And then? When season two started the placing of that level of dramatic weight on it just seemed like it was never really revisited and suddenly it transformed into something which it somehow became okay to take this casual wait-and-see, "If it takes another five years, who cares?" approach to. Really didn't like that and rubbed me the wrong way. Definitely one of the weakest points of the series and one of the major details which would contribute to my not giving it too high of a score when rating it. I really don't appreciate when series do this type of thing as it's not just about the character's decision, but the way it's actually written about and framed feels leading and dishonest. Like the momentum built up around it at season one's end was just a blue balls-style cliffhanger without sufficient payoff. If he wasn't shown to care about finding Zenith to begin with, that would be one thing, and one could ridicule and condemn the character for that, but it would be no fault of the show and may, depending on how well-explained and well-executed, even prove a brilliant artistic decision. But instead they had those season one finale scenes all to fizzle into a tease.

With that said, purely from the in-universe character perspective alone and not creative writing choices, as far as Rudeus' decision about it, his relationship with his mother would not be the same as any other character's or any other person's in the real world, for that matter, at least if realistic considerations were taken into account. "Mother" or "Mom" is not just an abstract concept where it always fits or conforms to some ideal, or where it's all equal enough to be interchangeable between different sets of people. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt of assuming that his relationship with her is just as unique as any other character's/person's in relation to another, and that his feelings are messy and complicated. So while I would want to move heaven and Earth as quickly as possible, he's not me or anyone else. Then there may be someone he shows greater kindness to or interest in who I wouldn't give a second glance if in the same situation. That's the way of the world.

The other major aspect which I found one of the only main (main as in, ones I actually care about) weak points of this show to date, is how this entire subplot started around the time of and was intertwined with the whole Eris drama. Well, not that it was, but, to clarify, I mean the Eris drama itself was weak in conception and overly frustrating for no reason, because it was built on very beaten to death and stereotypical BS anime miscommunication/no communication-based misunderstandings. I can't stand those or how they've proliferated so. As beautiful as that episode was where they had their union of the flesh and key moments especially, the entire melodrama which came out of that soured me on the show for a bit. I got over it as something that happened in a now past, older episode, so that it doesn't detract anymore from newer and current episodes. But anytime it's still brought up in the show and we're forced to revisit that event, like in the conversation with Ruijerd at the new house in Sharia, it temporarily disrupts all the positive the show is otherwise doing and has done since, and brings that acrid taste back to my mouth.


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