Reign of the Seven Spellblades (light novel)
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Zefyris said: @Animillion Because Nanao is barely better at fighting overall than Oliver. There's only one student that is way above the rest in year one and that's not Nanao; that's Chella. Everyone else in the top 10 depending of the conditions can beat one another. Like Albright is overall stronger than Oliver, but Oliver still managed to bring him to a loss in that duel. And Albright is super strong for a first year. Same with Fey when in werewolf form. Stacey, who was the weakest of the 6 and probably around the 10th spot in year 1, would still obliterate pretty much anyone out of the top 10 with barely any effort. Nanao is only excellent at melee distance but that's a distance that isn't that easy to go in if any competent mage were to refuse to go in it. She does have her deflect but that ain't doing crap if whatever is thrown at her cannot be deflected that way. Meanwhile Oliver is way, way more well rounded and can adapt to pretty much any situation on the fly. Oliver is probably right in the middle of that top 10, with Nanao being a bit above. The problem here is that Oliver isn’t shown to be truly powerful at any point except ep 6. At least at the level of Nanao I mean. And yea, I’d want him to be stronger than anyone in his group, but they can’t even do that. They’ve made it difficult to understand just how strong Oliver is. People hyped him up saying he’s a sick character and all, but that was literally only for a few minutes. He’s been outshined by Nanao to the point that it feels that he’s just a sidekick who happens to have the most screen time. I had expectations for this anime, especially for him, based on what I heard, but it’s fallen flat. |
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@Animillion Because Nanao is barely better at fighting overall than Oliver.
There's only one student that is way above the rest in year one and that's not Nanao; that's Chella. Everyone else in the top 10 depending of the conditions can beat one another. Like Albright is overall stronger than Oliver, but Oliver still managed to bring him to a loss in that duel. And Albright is super strong for a first year. Same with Fey when in werewolf form. Stacey, who was the weakest of the 6 and probably around the 10th spot in year 1, would still obliterate pretty much anyone out of the top 10 with barely any effort.
Nanao is only excellent at melee distance but that's a distance that isn't that easy to go in if any competent mage were to refuse to go in it. She does have her deflect but that ain't doing crap if whatever is thrown at her cannot be deflected that way. Meanwhile Oliver is way, way more well rounded and can adapt to pretty much any situation on the fly. Oliver is probably right in the middle of that top 10, with Nanao being a bit above.
@Animillion Because Nanao is barely better at fighting overall than Oliver.
There's only one student that is way above the rest in year one and that's not Nanao; that's Chella. Everyone else in the top 10 depending of the conditions can beat one another. Like Albright is overall stronger than Oliver, but Oliver still managed to bring him to a loss in that duel. And Albright is super strong for a first year. Same with Fey when in werewolf form. Stacey, who was the weakest of the 6 and probably around the 10th spot in year 1, would still obliterate pretty much anyone out of the top 10 with barely any effort.
Nanao is only excellent at melee distance but that's a distance that isn't that easy to go in if any competent mage were to refuse to go in it. She does have her deflect but that ain't doing crap if whatever is thrown at her cannot be deflected that way. Meanwhile Oliver is way, way more well rounded and can adapt to pretty much any situation on the fly. Oliver is probably right in the middle of that top 10, with Nanao being a bit above.
The problem here is that Oliver isn’t shown to be truly powerful at any point except ep 6. At least at the level of Nanao I mean. And yea, I’d want him to be stronger than anyone in his group, but they can’t even do that. They’ve made it difficult to understand just how strong Oliver is. People hyped him up saying he’s a sick character and all, but that was literally only for a few minutes. He’s been outshined by Nanao to the point that it feels that he’s just a sidekick who happens to have the most screen time. I had expectations for this anime, especially for him, based on what I heard, but it’s fallen flat.
| @Animillion Because he isn't truly powerful. He is ONE OF THE STRONGEST FIRST YEARS but that's it. All first years except probably Chella (and maybe another one) would be trashed by the best second years, who would get trashed by the best third years, and so on for 7 years. And the best 7th years would get trashed hard by the WEAKEST teachers, who themselves would be unable to do anything against someone like Darius Grenville. Who himself would probably have been unable to do shit against the top 3 teachers. He's near the top of his year, but as a first year, he's at the bottom of the school food chain. Nanao is a melee specialist. She shines bright whenever she get to go into melee, but that's it. In episode 5, Chella mentioned how "Oliver's fighting way requires enough knowledge to appreciate how good it is". Against Vera Milligan, Oliver was the one keeping Nanao alive repeatedly. Same against the Garuda. Oliver's opponent in the 3 vs3 was also stronger than the other two opponents, and Nanao didn't even win that, Chella did with little effort. Also, he will always be outshined by Nanao because 1) Nanao is a sword genius while Oliver is at the top through sheer effort, and effort is not something that stands out 2) he doesn't WANT TO anyway since baring special cases like for Darius he doesn't want to stand out too much. If anything, being grouped with someone that will outshine him at all time is perfect for him. Also, last thing : I don't think he will EVER get to be the strongest in his own group. Not as long as his group has Chella. |
ZefyrisSep 18, 2023 2:17 AM
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He would have to if he was alone in this but he isn't. And because he has the only spellblade in their group which is their only way to win against opponents that would be otherwise way out of their league (derspite pretty much all of them being way stronger than Oliver outside of that), they don't want to endanger him by involving him in anything like recon, research, spying and so on on the other targets. Everything or almost gets done by the others, who are more replaceable than him.
The others are upper classmen, they're way stronger, more knowledgeable about Kimberly, and so on. They're better suited to venturing into lower layers of the labyrinth and other stealth/ recon mission than Oliver would ever be; and Gwyn fits way better as their coordinator for day to day organisation than Oliver who is still a first year would ever be.
As for training, he's training as part of being a first year; like everyone else. He already said that he would use the hideout to venture deeper into the dungeon as well, for example. His job in the group outside of the assassination moment is literally to behave like a student and lay low.
He would have to if he was alone in this but he isn't. And because he has the only spellblade in their group which is their only way to win against opponents that would be otherwise way out of their league (derspite pretty much all of them being way stronger than Oliver outside of that), they don't want to endanger him by involving him in anything like recon, research, spying and so on on the other targets. Everything or almost gets done by the others, who are more replaceable than him.
The others are upper classmen, they're way stronger, more knowledgeable about Kimberly, and so on. They're better suited to venturing into lower layers of the labyrinth and other stealth/ recon mission than Oliver would ever be; and Gwyn fits way better as their coordinator for day to day organisation than Oliver who is still a first year would ever be.
As for training, he's training as part of being a first year; like everyone else. He already said that he would use the hideout to venture deeper into the dungeon as well, for example. His job in the group outside of the assassination moment is literally to behave like a student and lay low.
| @Zefyris Well then, why wasn't this shown in the anime? Even a passing remark by one of the others in his "organization" would have given this context. As an anime watcher only (not a manga reader) we can only judge by what is shown in the show. None of this context is revealed in the anime, sadly. |
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Stormy_77 said: @Zefyris Well then, why wasn't this shown in the anime? Even a passing remark by one of the others in his "organization" would have given this context. As an anime watcher only (not a manga reader) we can only judge by what is shown in the show. None of this context is revealed in the anime, sadly. Anime tends to be a LN commercial these days. All these information will be explained in Vol 4 and Vol 5 of the LN. The second assassination is quite well-planned but I am not going into details about how it works out due to spoilers. The author has a habit of explaining things much later in the story. He did the same thing with his previous work, Tenkyou No Alderamin~ |
NewestPersonHereSep 19, 2023 5:37 PM
| The Albright backstory was uhh.... hey atleast the action was better this time. |
Zefyris said: @Animillion Because he isn't truly powerful. He is ONE OF THE STRONGEST FIRST YEARS but that's it. All first years except probably Chella (and maybe another one) would be trashed by the best second years, who would get trashed by the best third years, and so on for 7 years. And the best 7th years would get trashed hard by the WEAKEST teachers, who themselves would be unable to do anything against someone like Darius Grenville. Who himself would probably have been unable to do shit against the top 3 teachers. He's near the top of his year, but as a first year, he's at the bottom of the school food chain. Nanao is a melee specialist. She shines bright whenever she get to go into melee, but that's it. In episode 5, Chella mentioned how "Oliver's fighting way requires enough knowledge to appreciate how good it is". Against Vera Milligan, Oliver was the one keeping Nanao alive repeatedly. Same against the Garuda. Oliver's opponent in the 3 vs3 was also stronger than the other two opponents, and Nanao didn't even win that, Chella did with little effort. Also, he will always be outshined by Nanao because 1) Nanao is a sword genius while Oliver is at the top through sheer effort, and effort is not something that stands out 2) he doesn't WANT TO anyway since baring special cases like for Darius he doesn't want to stand out too much. If anything, being grouped with someone that will outshine him at all time is perfect for him. Also, last thing : I don't think he will EVER get to be the strongest in his own group. Not as long as his group has Chella. Well, that’s a buzzkill then. I cared to watch Oliver because of how people hyped him up but turns out they were fibbing. Seeing him as essentially a background character (yes that’s what he is as the weaker character imo) and Nanao getting most of the entertaining scenes is frustrating since she’s the most annoying character in the group imo. Guess I’ll finish this for completions’ sake but it’s definitely the disappointment of the season for me. |
AnimillionSep 20, 2023 12:59 PM
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Stormy_77 said:
@Zefyris
Well then, why wasn't this shown in the anime? Even a passing remark by one of the others in his "organization" would have given this context. As an anime watcher only (not a manga reader) we can only judge by what is shown in the show. None of this context is revealed in the anime, sadly.
@Zefyris
Well then, why wasn't this shown in the anime? Even a passing remark by one of the others in his "organization" would have given this context. As an anime watcher only (not a manga reader) we can only judge by what is shown in the show. None of this context is revealed in the anime, sadly.
Anime tends to be a LN commercial these days.
All these information will be explained in Vol 4 and Vol 5 of the LN. The second assassination is quite well-planned but I am not going into details about how it works out due to spoilers.
The author has a habit of explaining things much later in the story. He did the same thing with his previous work, Tenkyou No Alderamin~
| @NewestPersonHere Thanks for letting me know! I'm still not going to read the light novel because I haven't got the time to read manga. But if this is how stuff plays out, it might not be to some people's taste. |
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Zefyris said:
@Animillion
Because he isn't truly powerful. He is ONE OF THE STRONGEST FIRST YEARS but that's it. All first years except probably Chella (and maybe another one) would be trashed by the best second years, who would get trashed by the best third years, and so on for 7 years. And the best 7th years would get trashed hard by the WEAKEST teachers, who themselves would be unable to do anything against someone like Darius Grenville. Who himself would probably have been unable to do shit against the top 3 teachers.
He's near the top of his year, but as a first year, he's at the bottom of the school food chain.
Nanao is a melee specialist. She shines bright whenever she get to go into melee, but that's it. In episode 5, Chella mentioned how "Oliver's fighting way requires enough knowledge to appreciate how good it is". Against Vera Milligan, Oliver was the one keeping Nanao alive repeatedly. Same against the Garuda. Oliver's opponent in the 3 vs3 was also stronger than the other two opponents, and Nanao didn't even win that, Chella did with little effort.
Also, he will always be outshined by Nanao because 1) Nanao is a sword genius while Oliver is at the top through sheer effort, and effort is not something that stands out 2) he doesn't WANT TO anyway since baring special cases like for Darius he doesn't want to stand out too much. If anything, being grouped with someone that will outshine him at all time is perfect for him.
Also, last thing : I don't think he will EVER get to be the strongest in his own group. Not as long as his group has Chella.
@Animillion
Because he isn't truly powerful. He is ONE OF THE STRONGEST FIRST YEARS but that's it. All first years except probably Chella (and maybe another one) would be trashed by the best second years, who would get trashed by the best third years, and so on for 7 years. And the best 7th years would get trashed hard by the WEAKEST teachers, who themselves would be unable to do anything against someone like Darius Grenville. Who himself would probably have been unable to do shit against the top 3 teachers.
He's near the top of his year, but as a first year, he's at the bottom of the school food chain.
Nanao is a melee specialist. She shines bright whenever she get to go into melee, but that's it. In episode 5, Chella mentioned how "Oliver's fighting way requires enough knowledge to appreciate how good it is". Against Vera Milligan, Oliver was the one keeping Nanao alive repeatedly. Same against the Garuda. Oliver's opponent in the 3 vs3 was also stronger than the other two opponents, and Nanao didn't even win that, Chella did with little effort.
Also, he will always be outshined by Nanao because 1) Nanao is a sword genius while Oliver is at the top through sheer effort, and effort is not something that stands out 2) he doesn't WANT TO anyway since baring special cases like for Darius he doesn't want to stand out too much. If anything, being grouped with someone that will outshine him at all time is perfect for him.
Also, last thing : I don't think he will EVER get to be the strongest in his own group. Not as long as his group has Chella.
Well, that’s a buzzkill then. I cared to watch Oliver because of how people hyped him up but turns out they were fibbing. Seeing him as essentially a background character (yes that’s what he is as the weaker character imo) and Nanao getting most of the entertaining scenes is frustrating since she’s the most annoying character in the group imo. Guess I’ll finish this for completions’ sake but it’s definitely the disappointment of the season for me.
| @Animillion I mean if you've read peoples hyping Oliver as being an OP protagonist that hides his power lvl or something, you were lied to by peoples who never read the novels indeed... This isn't a shounen story, there won't be any self insert power trip of sort. He isn't a background character, but similar to Alderamin, the group as a whole kind of share the role of protagonist, yes. |
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| animation of this anime is getting worse. marco was nowhere to be seen up until bee monsters break the cage and attack katie. even after wounded by bee marco was ok and running with team when tentacles attack them. lol. hope pete, joseph and fay are ok. |
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Zefyris said: @Animillion I mean if you've read peoples hyping Oliver as being an OP protagonist that hides his power lvl or something, you were lied to by peoples who never read the novels indeed... This isn't a shounen story, there won't be any self insert power trip of sort. He isn't a background character, but similar to Alderamin, the group as a whole kind of share the role of protagonist, yes. Yea, I was lied to and misled by episode 6. I’m not hating this series, but it just feels so bland with the excessive focus on friendship. Also, I don’t get why having a strong mc = self insert. If anything people insert themselves into a series like Bocchi because they think she is them. |
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Zefyris said:
@Animillion I mean if you've read peoples hyping Oliver as being an OP protagonist that hides his power lvl or something, you were lied to by peoples who never read the novels indeed... This isn't a shounen story, there won't be any self insert power trip of sort. He isn't a background character, but similar to Alderamin, the group as a whole kind of share the role of protagonist, yes.
@Animillion I mean if you've read peoples hyping Oliver as being an OP protagonist that hides his power lvl or something, you were lied to by peoples who never read the novels indeed... This isn't a shounen story, there won't be any self insert power trip of sort. He isn't a background character, but similar to Alderamin, the group as a whole kind of share the role of protagonist, yes.
Yea, I was lied to and misled by episode 6. I’m not hating this series, but it just feels so bland with the excessive focus on friendship. Also, I don’t get why having a strong mc = self insert. If anything people insert themselves into a series like Bocchi because they think she is them.
| @Animillion But... Episode 6 alone has Oliver freaks out three times at how much weaker than his opponent he was (when his spell clashes at Milligan's, when Darius chain kills monsters way stronger than a Garuda with no effort and no spells, and when he's activating his spellblade and says how even 10,000 fights against Darius would lead to 10,000 losses). So even episode 6 was clearly telling you that no, Oliver wasn't especially OP... Also peoples who want OP protagonists want self insert, yes. I don't see what's the point of denying it. OP protagonists almost always lead to worse story writing. Unless it's written in very specific way that limits the range of story heavily (good ex: "yuusha, aruiwa bakemono to yobareta shoujo", for example), the only gain to have an OP protagonist will generally be that it feels good to self insert as said protagonist. |
ZefyrisSep 23, 2023 6:38 AM
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Zefyris said: @Animillion But... Episode 6 alone has Oliver freaks out three times at how much weaker than his opponent he was (when his spell clashes at Milligan's, when Darius chain kills monsters way stronger than a Garuda with no effort and no spells, and when he's activating his spellblade and says how even 10,000 fights against Darius would lead to 10,000 losses). So even episode 6 was clearly telling you that no, Oliver wasn't especially OP... Also peoples who want OP protagonists want self insert, yes. I don't see what's the point of denying it. OP protagonists almost always lead to worse story writing. Unless it's written in very specific way that limits the range of story heavily (good ex: "yuusha, aruiwa bakemono to yobareta shoujo", for example), the only gain to have an OP protagonist will generally be that it feels good to self insert as said protagonist. Yea, he wasn’t necessarily OP but it was a great moment that hasn’t happened again. You can carry on with your strong mc hate (male specifically because female ones seem to not count for you in that regard) but truly overlook what self inserts really are, aka characters people relate to and think they are them. Then again, people can self insert into whatever series they want to, including that bookworm isekai, for all I care. I just think it’s fun watching a solid story with a strong, not necessarily OP, protagonist that isn’t relegated to the sidelines in favour of a more annoying character (aka Nanao). Regardless of whether I like the character power scaling, the animation is subpar and the pacing seems off. I’m guessing the LN is better but this anime feels like your average fantasy but with a weaker mc. Not terrible but average at best. |
| Yikes… tentacles… |
| The rest of the Oliver vs Albright fight was great. I like how Oliver forced him to fight on terms that Albright wasn't comfortable with. The other fight was a lot more lackluster in comparison. Both backstories were definitely interesting and made me sympathise with both characters a lot more. Although I did find myself liking Albright's slightly more. I didn't expect that sudden cliffhanger. I'm guessing we will be learning a lot more about Ophelia in the remaining episodes. |
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| So wasp man from the avengers went on a teenaged G-fueled rampage. Running it down mid lane... He kicks a hornets nest and they attacked Shrek. Then Black Ringlets had a transformation sequence. Becoming sailor elf-u... So that happened. |
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| Trap nerd : We're not here to slow y'all down, so stop acting like our father. *A minute later* Proceeds to get taken away by a bunch of grotesque insects lmaoooo. Man really, characters in this series have such a fake pride, and that too for no reason. I mean see what the family of that character with a stupid surname of "Albright" did to that girl who got the best of their son in a chess match. Also, those two blonde girls being sisters was supposed to be some twist I guess, so I'd also pretend to feel surprised. Anyways, why that big boob girl even doing whatever she had done? |
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| Honestly, this is a very bad episode. The battles were mediocre because they could've done way better. |
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| Albright's family sucks. I hate bugs and....that escalated quickly. |
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| Poor Albright got humiliated three times in succession in this episode. A character loses once in this series and their combat ability just plummets afterwards, like they've lost all confidence. In a way, it reminds me of the losing streaks some boxers and MMA fighters go on when that undefeated record is taken from them. |
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