| Yet most will watch Seasons 2 & 3, and Crunchyroll, notable among other Companies, will make tons out of that! Business-wise, it doesn’t matter as long as it’s a hit so no biggies for the creators. But yeah, I totally agree that the down-voters of this series in particular are far too expressive and thus ‘cancerous’ as we like to call it. I’m expecting things to ease up a little in a couple days’ time or so but I suppose only time will tell. I just hope MAL won’t go down the same path now too although it’s most likely just a wishful thinking on my part. |
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| Because people are pathetic and can't just ignore things they don't like. |
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| It's called brigading. You must be new to reddit. |
| that's like the opposite of r/animemes they have a love boner for any waifu/best girl related series like Shield Hero, komi-san, Demon Slayer etc. |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| Tbf, Reddit isn't the best of places tbh. Only anime reddits like the OPM and Gotoubun are the actual good ones |
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| Edit:Can't believe people don't understand that i'm talking specifically about REDDIT, while i don't doubt there's some of this sprinkled about elsewhere on the internet, reddit is known for this. I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Reddit is pretty terrible about these kinds of hate mobs so shield hero is kind of a spit in the face to alot on there for their own problems. Shield hero has it's problems don't get me wrong, but it definitely doesn't deserve the hate it get's, though in this day and age i'm surprised it doesn't get more than it already does. |
TatsuyaSep 2, 2019 9:07 AM
MonkeyDJasper said: Tatsuya said: no they hate it because it started out interesting then turned into a generic isekai anime . It got super boring and cringey towards the middle and never got better . The show was fine until the blonde lil girl and the other loli showed upI hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Reddit is pretty terrible about these kinds of hate mobs so shield hero is kind of a spit in the face to alot on there for their own problems. Shield hero has it's problems don't get me wrong, but it definitely doesn't deserve the hate it get's, though in this day and age i'm surprised it doesn't get more than it already does. In general there's plenty of reasons to like or dislike the show, my quote was referring specifically to reddit which had a hate out for it before the anime even aired if i remember correctly. |
Tatsuya said: I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Have you considered some dislike the show cause its filled with objectively low quality combat choreography, has a boring and predictable plot, has 1 dimensional cardboard characters, and completely falls off in animation quality in the second half. |
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ACasualViewer said: Well... naaaaaaan. Tatsuya said: I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Have you considered some dislike the show cause its filled with objectively low quality combat choreography, has a boring and predictable plot, has 1 dimensional cardboard characters, and completely falls off in animation quality in the second half. Can't be that. Definitly these goddamn SJWs. Can't see anything else than that. |
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ACasualViewer said: Do people not read my replies?Tatsuya said: I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Have you considered some dislike the show cause its filled with objectively low quality combat choreography, has a boring and predictable plot, has 1 dimensional cardboard characters, and completely falls off in animation quality in the second half. This is specifically referring to reddit and it's hate mobs, reddit has had a hate storm out for this series since the beginning. Don't like the anime fine, i'm not going to call it high art, but when the op specifically mentioned reddit, it applies. At least attack what i'm actually saying, not just because i mentioned "sjw's", again my statement refers specifically to reddit, not to the mal community, or anime fans in general. Sigh not even sure why i am taking the bait, i knew the reddit hate mob would find their way here the moment i mentioned their biases. |
TatsuyaSep 2, 2019 9:19 AM
Tatsuya said: Edit:Can't believe people don't understand that i'm talking specifically about REDDIT, while i don't doubt there's some of this sprinkled about elsewhere on the internet, reddit is known for this. I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Reddit is pretty terrible about these kinds of hate mobs so shield hero is kind of a spit in the face to alot on there for their own problems. Shield hero has it's problems don't get me wrong, but it definitely doesn't deserve the hate it get's, though in this day and age i'm surprised it doesn't get more than it already does. At least, SH hate didn't cause so much controversy as Goblin Slayer. SJWs were just a vocal minority during the first 3/4 episodes at least in MAL, I don't remember very well. But SJWs in Goblin Slayer were the biggest clowns in this circus, here they're not funny. I know that a lot of ppl that don't like SH here are not SJWs (MAL). I don't like Reedit cuz they're like MAL scores. |
NurguburuSep 2, 2019 10:36 AM
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ACasualViewer said: Tatsuya said: I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Have you considered some dislike the show cause its filled with objectively low quality combat choreography, has a boring and predictable plot, has 1 dimensional cardboard characters, and completely falls off in animation quality in the second half. I don't think the show is very good either, but you can't deny the fact that a lot of SJWs were whining about it when it aired, and not for the reasons you stated. |
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| Because people needs to be vocal about what they don't like and because it's cool to hate popular stuff. Also reddit it's leftist so they are salty about the main villain being female and because slavery and stuff. |
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Nurguburu said: Tatsuya said: Edit:Can't believe people don't understand that i'm talking specifically about REDDIT, while i don't doubt there's some of this sprinkled about elsewhere on the internet, reddit is known for this. I hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Reddit is pretty terrible about these kinds of hate mobs so shield hero is kind of a spit in the face to alot on there for their own problems. Shield hero has it's problems don't get me wrong, but it definitely doesn't deserve the hate it get's, though in this day and age i'm surprised it doesn't get more than it already does. At least, SH hate didn't cause so much controversy as Goblin Slayer. SJWs were just a vocal minority during the first 3/4 episodes at least in MAL, I don't remember very well. But SJWs in Goblin Slayer were the biggest clowns in this circus, here they're not funny. I know that a lot of ppl that don't like SH here are not SJWs (MAL). I don't like Reedit cuz they're like MAL scores. I trust reddit about as much as i trust politicians or weathermen, actually i think i trust weathermen more since they are at least occasionally right. Goblin slayer had alot more than just sjw's after it, while i wasn't interested in it (i avoid anime's with those kinds of scenes), i think one of the reasons SH didn't have as big of a vitriol from some groups is due to the fact that SH is basically a show that makes you want to see justice for the mc, while goblin slayer was just brutal for shock value, that always causes a backlash if it's in the mainstream, GS basically attracted a somewhat silent part of the fanbase that has a disdain for the controversial content in media in general, it just so happened that both them and the sjw's were on the same side of one argument, when they hate each other otherwise. Personally i think the GS and SH comparison is kind of apples and oranges for the effect on the audience, so comparisons between them are a bit difficult to make. |
| I dunno anything about reddit but...Shield Hero...man... It's one of the worst shows I've ever seen. It's offensively bad. I fucking hate it. Kevin Penkin's soundtrack is wasted on it. |
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| A: Reddit fucking sucks. B: As if you had any "positives" to talk about. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
MonkeyDJasper said: Tatsuya said: no they hate it because it started out interesting then turned into a generic isekai anime . It got super boring and cringey towards the middle and never got better . The show was fine until the blonde lil girl and the other loli showed upI hate to mention this, and i expect a ton of blowback for it because well, sjw's, but a good deal of the hate SH get's is due to the #metoo movement and the first episode more or less showing how dangerous believing anyone at face value without evidence is (and recently it got someone to kill themselves, again no evidence, just a twitter mob). Reddit is pretty terrible about these kinds of hate mobs so shield hero is kind of a spit in the face to alot on there for their own problems. Shield hero has it's problems don't get me wrong, but it definitely doesn't deserve the hate it get's, though in this day and age i'm surprised it doesn't get more than it already does. Thats the exact reason why I didnt liked it as much |
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| different ppl different taste if ppl just dislike it but when it comes to actual hate its SJW's infesting forums to, just cause it shows dark side of ME2 how it can be abused they hate it, in short cause of western political correctness woke BS (cause woke rule is women are angels who do never wrong and so on and on), cause it goes against woke |
Sugram22Apr 6, 2022 10:23 AM
Sugram22 said: different ppl different taste if ppl just dislike it but when it comes to actual hate its SJW's infesting forums to, just cause it shows dark side of ME2 how it can be abused they hate it, in short cause of western political correctness woke BS (cause woke rule is women are angels who do never wrong and so on and on), cause it goes against woke I mean, slavery is objectively bad and this anime tries to justify it. Though even without the political aspects, it fails on its own. Characters: they are one dimensional. I'm fine with tropes, but I need more depth. Black Clover is an example of an anime that takes common tropes and gives characters depth. Another issue is that the MC is always justified and everyone against him is wrong and horrible. Dungeon Meshi is a great example of how to present different sides fairly. Yes, the people who oppose the MC are condescending and hypocritical, but you can also understand things from their perspective. The MC has been wrong before and had to eat his words and realize his mistakes. Ven how they do their villains is different. Both have villains that are pure evil and want to hurt the MCs. However, in Dungeon Meshi, you actually understand why the villain does the stuff he does. In Shield Hero, the villain does shit because potatoes. In Dungeon Meshi, the villain is so cunning and manipulative that even when they showed proof that the villain was a villain, I myself was second guessing the proof when they were talking to someone. That villain is so good that anyone who's against them just seems crazy. Seriously, that villain is a great example of actual manipulation. With Bitch chan, I saw her from a mile away. She's literally the most obvious villain. Premise: Dungeon Meshi does the video game elements of RPGs and clans a lot better. With Shield Hero, there is never going to be a game where an entire class can't use any offensive abilities. That's bad design. Also, the shield turns out to be mega op, so the people who said it was the worst weapon just look dumb. The people the MC have on his side just blindly worship him in Shield Hero. This isn't so in Dungeon Meshi. Even the people who ultimately side with the MC don't fully trust him, and the manga doesn't villainize people who are skeptical of him. Basically, the people in Dungeon Meshi feel like actual characters in the story. In Shield Hero, they don't seem like actual characters. |
| @LuxuriousHeart Slavery is objectively bad, so it's a good thing that cartoons aren't fucking real, am I right? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
LostSpectre said: @LuxuriousHeart Slavery is objectively bad, so it's a good thing that cartoons aren't fucking real, am I right? Too bad the quality of this show's writing is my biggest gripe with it. TheFireNinja said: I don't care what people's negative opinions towards this show are. I don't agree with the slavery aspect to the show when it comes to Naofumi and Raphtalia's initial partnership. But there honestly could have been worser outcomes for Raphtalia if she was bought by other people. And trust between them builds to where she chooses to work with Naofumi rather than him forcing her to fight for him. Either way, there are characters out there that people can like with worser or no moral compasses at all. OMG, the slavery aspect is bad, but it's legit not the only reason people hate this show. First, there's no justification because within the work it's considered bad. Spear hero gets a bunch of cute girls in his group, and the MC think it's bad and cringe. Spear hero having a thing for the loli is bad. With those things in mind, the MC and his harem are bad, using the logic of anime (of course, real life logic says all of that shit is wrong as well). Bro, she was bought and forced against her will to fight. She becomes attached to him because he showed her slight kindness and was the first to do so. This isn't a healthy relationship at all. It's very problematic. Though even when you ignore all of the political aspects because it'll just be another SJW vs non SJW argument, the show fails on its own. The writing is not there. The villain in the first half is cartoonishly evil. Like they're evil and do bad things for no reason. They gain nothing from pulling their antics. The villain isn't very smart or cunning and has no charisma about her. Characters in the MC group are one dimensional and just there to inflate his ego and suck him off. The other characters are just there to look like idiots compared to the MC. Like, this is Wattpad level bad. Like those stories where the main girl has brown hair and brown eyes and gets bullied by the school slut who has blond hair and blue eyes. School slut is sleeping with everyone and obviously bad in the story. The main love interest is a bad boy that is only good because the main girl wants to fuck him and he's the love interest. He was a jerk at the beginning. Some BS where they attempt to justify the main guy being a bully and asshole, but the school slut never gets that grace because she's competition for our main girl. That's the level of writing that's on this show. At least Wattpad has the excuse of being written by 12-14 year old girls. This show is written by an adult and is so poorly written. Ain't no way I'm defending this mid. |
| It deserves to be hated. And not for any high and mighty moral reasons but only because it's dumb as shit and sucks ass. |
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LuxuriousHeart said: the anime doesn't try to justify slavery, it shows that its not just black and white that there is gray to, in hes situation where u lost all trust and some1 makes u a offer like that u won't refuse, whatever ur a trash or not depends on how u treat ur slave, and when her slave seal was gone Naofumi was even ok with it and said its not necessary but Raph wanted it back cause to her it symbolized their bond kind of like marriage ring, slavery is bad but not awry1 buying slave is bad Sugram22 said: different ppl different taste if ppl just dislike it but when it comes to actual hate its SJW's infesting forums to, just cause it shows dark side of ME2 how it can be abused they hate it, in short cause of western political correctness woke BS (cause woke rule is women are angels who do never wrong and so on and on), cause it goes against woke I mean, slavery is objectively bad and this anime tries to justify it. Though even without the political aspects, it fails on its own. Characters: they are one dimensional. I'm fine with tropes, but I need more depth. Black Clover is an example of an anime that takes common tropes and gives characters depth. Another issue is that the MC is always justified and everyone against him is wrong and horrible. Dungeon Meshi is a great example of how to present different sides fairly. Yes, the people who oppose the MC are condescending and hypocritical, but you can also understand things from their perspective. The MC has been wrong before and had to eat his words and realize his mistakes. Ven how they do their villains is different. Both have villains that are pure evil and want to hurt the MCs. However, in Dungeon Meshi, you actually understand why the villain does the stuff he does. In Shield Hero, the villain does shit because potatoes. In Dungeon Meshi, the villain is so cunning and manipulative that even when they showed proof that the villain was a villain, I myself was second guessing the proof when they were talking to someone. That villain is so good that anyone who's against them just seems crazy. Seriously, that villain is a great example of actual manipulation. With Bitch chan, I saw her from a mile away. She's literally the most obvious villain. Premise: Dungeon Meshi does the video game elements of RPGs and clans a lot better. With Shield Hero, there is never going to be a game where an entire class can't use any offensive abilities. That's bad design. Also, the shield turns out to be mega op, so the people who said it was the worst weapon just look dumb. The people the MC have on his side just blindly worship him in Shield Hero. This isn't so in Dungeon Meshi. Even the people who ultimately side with the MC don't fully trust him, and the manga doesn't villainize people who are skeptical of him. Basically, the people in Dungeon Meshi feel like actual characters in the story. In Shield Hero, they don't seem like actual characters. with Raph sad past and her confronting it they proved that the series is not trying to justify slavery TheFireNinja +1 |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2023 1:03 AM
TheFireNinja said: LuxuriousHeart said: You're entitled to whatever opinion you want of the show. But I don't think the writing of it is bad. Nor the characters. If Naofumi is painted as the hero of the story, it's because of the fact that he was brought into the problems of a world that wasn't even his own. He has to help people who don't have much respect for his character as a Hero and believed him to be a rapist without any evidence other than their own prejudice against anyone with the "Shield Hero" title. People avoided him like the plague and treated him like scum for a crime he didn't even commit. But yet, he couldn't just leave because he had to fight whatever threat was endangering the people of the world he was transported to. So, people like him were no less a slave than Raphtalia in having to be forced to work for someone he didn't desire to. Is that to say it justifies him purchasing her? No. But in his situation, he couldn't be picky about partners since people looked at him as a bad person and weren't going to willingly work with him. No one even wanted to work with him before the rape allegations.Too bad the quality of this show's writing is my biggest gripe with it. OMG, the slavery aspect is bad, but it's legit not the only reason people hate this show. First, there's no justification because within the work it's considered bad. Spear hero gets a bunch of cute girls in his group, and the MC think it's bad and cringe. Spear hero having a thing for the loli is bad. With those things in mind, the MC and his harem are bad, using the logic of anime (of course, real life logic says all of that shit is wrong as well). Bro, she was bought and forced against her will to fight. She becomes attached to him because he showed her slight kindness and was the first to do so. This isn't a healthy relationship at all. It's very problematic. Though even when you ignore all of the political aspects because it'll just be another SJW vs non SJW argument, the show fails on its own. The writing is not there. The villain in the first half is cartoonishly evil. Like they're evil and do bad things for no reason. They gain nothing from pulling their antics. The villain isn't very smart or cunning and has no charisma about her. Characters in the MC group are one dimensional and just there to inflate his ego and suck him off. The other characters are just there to look like idiots compared to the MC. Like, this is Wattpad level bad. Like those stories where the main girl has brown hair and brown eyes and gets bullied by the school slut who has blond hair and blue eyes. School slut is sleeping with everyone and obviously bad in the story. The main love interest is a bad boy that is only good because the main girl wants to fuck him and he's the love interest. He was a jerk at the beginning. Some BS where they attempt to justify the main guy being a bully and asshole, but the school slut never gets that grace because she's competition for our main girl. That's the level of writing that's on this show. At least Wattpad has the excuse of being written by 12-14 year old girls. This show is written by an adult and is so poorly written. Ain't no way I'm defending this mid. But as I said, even with Naofumi purchasing her as a slave, I think he treated her better than any other purchaser would have. If Raphtalia had been purchased by an actual heartless slave owner, they would have worked her to death in spite of the fatal health condition she had that Naofumi cured her of. You could probably look at it as him keeping a healthy fighter. But he did more for her than any other person in his position would have likely done. As far as Naofumi having an issue with the Spear Hero and his group, it's because they're superficial people. The girls in his group are attached to Motoyasu because they find him and his status as the Spear Hero attractive. But other than that, there's nothing special about his character that gives them reason to work with him. But I can't do anything about you not liking the way the characters are written. When it comes to characters like Myne, I can't explain why she has so much hatred and does horrible things to Naofumi other than his title as Shield Hero. But maybe that will be explored at a point. I mean, it's only the first season of the series. As far as why Motoyasu and the other Heroes act so stupid, they're just selfish people. I mean, Naofumi only got to know them in a short period of time. Motoyasu's just the typical airheaded popular guy who likes the attention of others. And the Bow and Sword Heroes are just overly confident in their own abilities to survive in the new world they live in. But simple characterizations doesn't mean that characters are bad. They just may take time to explore. Plus, it's not as if all people who do bad things to others or any inexplicable acts will always give reasons or a backstory about their life for why they act the way they do in real life. Even when characters do get depth to their behavior, some people wil complain about humanization of bad people or others feel that not all villains should be humanized. You can't really win. It all boils down to people's preferences for how they want characters to be written. I guess this show just isn't for you. Which is fine. If you don't feel like this show is worth defending, then you don't have to. But at the same time, I'm not going to refrain myself from expressing my own positive feelings towards it just because someone else doesn't agree. Look... You're already buying into the 'Wattpad hype'. Everything the hero does is justified and they're the best. Dude, in other works of art, there is nuance and complexity to everyone. Like Dungeon Meshi. We don't always agree with the MC, but we do understand why they are the way they are. We understand why the MC has those views, even when they're wrong. With Shield Hero, we just agree with him because of the dogpile of follow tier villains who are evil because they're evil. Naofumi has a group of only cute girls and he lectures someone else for doing the same. That's called hypocrisy. He could've bought another slave, but he zeroed in on the weak furry girl. Even the morally corrupt slavery was disturbed. Dude, when writing a racist character, you can understand why they're racist. They're racist because that's how they were brought up. There is no justification for racism in that respect, it's telling a story with different POVs. Not everyone is supposed to be one dimensional. Even Black Clover, who has characters based on tropes, manages to flesh them out. Even with the main villain of the first saga. You understand why he thinks the way he does and why he acts the way he does. Even the other villain who is pure evil and not justified at all, has reason for his actions. With Bitch-chan, there is nothing to explain her actions. Does she get anything from being that way? She was raised that way, but there is no reason for her to be raised that way because the Shield Hero didn't even do anything. So what's the point? |
Sugram22 said: LuxuriousHeart said: the anime doesn't try to justify slavery, it shows that its not just black and white that there is gray to, in hes situation where u lost all trust and some1 makes u a offer like that u won't refuse, whatever ur a trash or not depends on how u treat ur slave, and when her slave seal was gone Naofumi was even ok with it and said its not necessary but Raph wanted it back cause to her it symbolized their bond kind of like marriage ring, slavery is bad but not awry1 buying slave is bad I mean, slavery is objectively bad and this anime tries to justify it. Though even without the political aspects, it fails on its own. Characters: they are one dimensional. I'm fine with tropes, but I need more depth. Black Clover is an example of an anime that takes common tropes and gives characters depth. Another issue is that the MC is always justified and everyone against him is wrong and horrible. Dungeon Meshi is a great example of how to present different sides fairly. Yes, the people who oppose the MC are condescending and hypocritical, but you can also understand things from their perspective. The MC has been wrong before and had to eat his words and realize his mistakes. Ven how they do their villains is different. Both have villains that are pure evil and want to hurt the MCs. However, in Dungeon Meshi, you actually understand why the villain does the stuff he does. In Shield Hero, the villain does shit because potatoes. In Dungeon Meshi, the villain is so cunning and manipulative that even when they showed proof that the villain was a villain, I myself was second guessing the proof when they were talking to someone. That villain is so good that anyone who's against them just seems crazy. Seriously, that villain is a great example of actual manipulation. With Bitch chan, I saw her from a mile away. She's literally the most obvious villain. Premise: Dungeon Meshi does the video game elements of RPGs and clans a lot better. With Shield Hero, there is never going to be a game where an entire class can't use any offensive abilities. That's bad design. Also, the shield turns out to be mega op, so the people who said it was the worst weapon just look dumb. The people the MC have on his side just blindly worship him in Shield Hero. This isn't so in Dungeon Meshi. Even the people who ultimately side with the MC don't fully trust him, and the manga doesn't villainize people who are skeptical of him. Basically, the people in Dungeon Meshi feel like actual characters in the story. In Shield Hero, they don't seem like actual characters. with Raph sad past and her confronting it they proved that the series is not trying to justify slavery TheFireNinja +1 Let's get away from the slavery talk because that's not even my main issue with this. My main issue is the writing. If you want to live as a self insert and fantasize about a fantasy, that's fine I guess. Though don't act like people are t justified in not liking this work. The characters are poorly written with no nuance or explanation for why they are the way they are. Good guys worship the hero because. Bad guys hate him because. Every villain is Saturday Morning cartoon bad. They're such trash people that you just want to punch. Malty is the worst character on this show, and it's simply because she's just pure evil. She's not cunning or manipulative, and she's not subtle at all. Everyone outside of the MC's group is stupid and there to make MC-sama look so amazing. Once again, it's like Wattpad stories written by teenage girls where the school slut and her posse are irredeemable trash while our main character is the nicest girl since sliced bread (ignoring the main girl slut shaming, mocking people's stupidity, justifying the toxic main she has a crush on, etc). That isn't good writing. Also, the premise is dumb. What MMORPG has ever made a class have no offensive abilities. Like in my review, if it were a traditional MMORPG with a healer, tank, close dps, and ranged DPS, the weapons would be: shield and sword for tank, spear for close ranged DPS, arrows for ranged DPS, and spell book or staff for healer. If it's like a League of Legends type game, then the classes would be: sword and shield as support/guardian, spear as a warrior/solo, double knives as assassin/jungle, and arrows or spell book as a ranged DPS/mage class. In all of those games, even the tanks and healers have attacks, they're attacks are just weaker than DPS because of balance. Tanks soak up and mitigate damage, healers heal and buff their teams, while DPS deal massive damage. Everyone can still use attacks. It's logical because when completing solo quests, you need to be able to kill the monster, which requires attacks. This is wasted potential because it wants to be a self insert power fantasy. You could've tackled the plot of tanks and healers being less popular. Conflict because each class blames the other for the loss. Even gender role things where healers are usually e-girls. You could even deconstruct that with a DPS player looking for a healer for his clan. He recruits someone named Alex who goes by LoveMuffins and they're a guy. That'd actually be sort of funny, and a great way to push back on stereotypes. Have the girl be a tank class, since that's usually a masculine role that requires a lot of leadership. So much you could do with an anime based on an MMORPG and how you play with the roles and the conflict and plot points. Yet we get a self insert because why not? |
LuxuriousHeart said: Goblin slayer is for self insert purpose, reason hes nameless hero, but hero here has a nameSugram22 said: the anime doesn't try to justify slavery, it shows that its not just black and white that there is gray to, in hes situation where u lost all trust and some1 makes u a offer like that u won't refuse, whatever ur a trash or not depends on how u treat ur slave, and when her slave seal was gone Naofumi was even ok with it and said its not necessary but Raph wanted it back cause to her it symbolized their bond kind of like marriage ring, slavery is bad but not awry1 buying slave is bad with Raph sad past and her confronting it they proved that the series is not trying to justify slavery TheFireNinja +1 Let's get away from the slavery talk because that's not even my main issue with this. My main issue is the writing. If you want to live as a self insert and fantasize about a fantasy, that's fine I guess. Though don't act like people are t justified in not liking this work. The characters are poorly written with no nuance or explanation for why they are the way they are. Good guys worship the hero because. Bad guys hate him because. Every villain is Saturday Morning cartoon bad. They're such trash people that you just want to punch. Malty is the worst character on this show, and it's simply because she's just pure evil. She's not cunning or manipulative, and she's not subtle at all. Everyone outside of the MC's group is stupid and there to make MC-sama look so amazing. Once again, it's like Wattpad stories written by teenage girls where the school slut and her posse are irredeemable trash while our main character is the nicest girl since sliced bread (ignoring the main girl slut shaming, mocking people's stupidity, justifying the toxic main she has a crush on, etc). That isn't good writing. Also, the premise is dumb. What MMORPG has ever made a class have no offensive abilities. Like in my review, if it were a traditional MMORPG with a healer, tank, close dps, and ranged DPS, the weapons would be: shield and sword for tank, spear for close ranged DPS, arrows for ranged DPS, and spell book or staff for healer. If it's like a League of Legends type game, then the classes would be: sword and shield as support/guardian, spear as a warrior/solo, double knives as assassin/jungle, and arrows or spell book as a ranged DPS/mage class. In all of those games, even the tanks and healers have attacks, they're attacks are just weaker than DPS because of balance. Tanks soak up and mitigate damage, healers heal and buff their teams, while DPS deal massive damage. Everyone can still use attacks. It's logical because when completing solo quests, you need to be able to kill the monster, which requires attacks. This is wasted potential because it wants to be a self insert power fantasy. You could've tackled the plot of tanks and healers being less popular. Conflict because each class blames the other for the loss. Even gender role things where healers are usually e-girls. You could even deconstruct that with a DPS player looking for a healer for his clan. He recruits someone named Alex who goes by LoveMuffins and they're a guy. That'd actually be sort of funny, and a great way to push back on stereotypes. Have the girl be a tank class, since that's usually a masculine role that requires a lot of leadership. So much you could do with an anime based on an MMORPG and how you play with the roles and the conflict and plot points. Yet we get a self insert because why not? u know i think its just an excuse, but reality is u don't like it for political reasons, but if not well we can agree to disagree about it having bad writing |
Sugram22Jan 23, 2023 7:45 AM
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  𝒮𝑜𝓂𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓂𝑒𝓈, 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝒶𝓃'𝓉 𝓂𝑜𝓋𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓌𝒶𝓇𝒹 𝓌𝒾𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝓉 𝒸𝓁𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒹𝑜𝑜𝓇 𝒷𝑒𝒽𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊. - 𝑅𝑒𝒾 𝒦𝒾𝓇𝒾𝓎𝒶𝓂𝒶   |
Sugram22 said: It's not the political reasons, it's the writing. I don't care about a name because fanfiction mary sues have names, but they're still self inserts.Goblin slayer is for self insert purpose, reason hes nameless hero, but hero here has a name u know i think its just an excuse, but reality is u don't like it for political reasons, but if not well we can agree to disagree about it having bad writing. Once again, I've pointed out bad writing and compared it to other series. For example, Black Clover has characters that are based on and make fun of tropes, but they manage to be fleshed out. Shield Hero does not do this. Black Clover has an evil villain that has no redeemable qualities, yet we at least get a reason for why the villain did the things he did. Plus, you have two main antagonists in the first saga of BC. One is a cunning and manipulative villain with no redeeming qualities, while the other is a manipulative and charismatic villain that the audience can empathize with. Shield Hero has neither. In Dungeon Meshi, we get another manipulative and pure evil villain, but we also understand why they're that way. With Dungeon Meshi, it's clear that we're not supposed to always side with the MC. Yes, the people who oppose the MC are condescending hypocrites with racial prejudice, but we also understand why they think that way. We can even see it from their POV, racism included. Yet we can also point out their hypocrisy as it relates to said racism. Brilliant! With Shield Hero, there is no subtly, nuance, or even different perspectives. We just side with Shield Hero because he's the MC. |
TheFireNinja said: Early on, BC managed to flip the tropes and give some subtly and nuance to the main villains. For example, the main beast guy in the water temple had his reason given pretty damn early as to why he was the way he was. We can see his reasoning. Dungeon Meshi gives us the reason for the main villain very late, but that's because the main villain is a twist villain. Plus, the main villain is cunning enough to even make the audience want to second guess him, because the main villain is that convincing. Malty/Myne has none of those qualities. They aren't cunning at all because we saw it from a mile away. The least we can have is a hint as to why she does the things she does. She's not even charismatic or fascinating, like other irredeemable sociopaths in fiction who do things for their own satisfaction. She's just irritating. There's nothing to like about her character at all.LuxuriousHeart said: As it seems like you fail to grasp from the long response that I gave you, were only in the first season of the show. We don't understand Myne's reasons for being the way she is. But those reasons may get fleshed out later. Not every show is going to tell you everything they got going on in the story from the beginning as it sometimes may lead to bigger plot points. And I'm not buying into any "Wattpad hype." When you have evil characters that are as shitty in behavior and actions as the ones in Shield Hero, it's hard not to dislike them. And I've already explained to you why Naofumi is critical of the Spear Hero for the group of "cute girls" he has. It's because the girls in the Spear Hero's group only want to work with him because they find him and his title as a Hero attractive. They don't really have any meaningful reasons for working with him other than that. Look... You're already buying into the 'Wattpad hype'. Everything the hero does is justified and they're the best. Dude, in other works of art, there is nuance and complexity to everyone. Like Dungeon Meshi. We don't always agree with the MC, but we do understand why they are the way they are. We understand why the MC has those views, even when they're wrong. With Shield Hero, we just agree with him because of the dogpile of follow tier villains who are evil because they're evil. Naofumi has a group of only cute girls and he lectures someone else for doing the same. That's called hypocrisy. He could've bought another slave, but he zeroed in on the weak furry girl. Even the morally corrupt slavery was disturbed. Dude, when writing a racist character, you can understand why they're racist. They're racist because that's how they were brought up. There is no justification for racism in that respect, it's telling a story with different POVs. Not everyone is supposed to be one dimensional. Even Black Clover, who has characters based on tropes, manages to flesh them out. Even with the main villain of the first saga. You understand why he thinks the way he does and why he acts the way he does. Even the other villain who is pure evil and not justified at all, has reason for his actions. With Bitch-chan, there is nothing to explain her actions. Does she get anything from being that way? She was raised that way, but there is no reason for her to be raised that way because the Shield Hero didn't even do anything. So what's the point? And the reason why Naofumi didn't work with other slaves as his options is because the rest were monsters. Not only would he have to concern himself with communicating with them, but also protecting himself while working with them. And going back to the topic of the writing of evil characters, what direction would the story go if these characters were rational in their wrongdoings from the start? It takes away character growth. It honestly baffles me how in a community that complains about goody-two-shoes shounen MCs and villains of shounen that have an abundance of forgiving backstories for their actions, we have a show with a morally grey MC and villains who are detestable as shit but many people complain about even that. But I don't know. I guess you want some shred of likability to the bad characters because of the personal issues you have with Naofumi as a character as well as the group who follows him. Which, that can't be helped since those are your own personal feelings. But as I said, I don't see myself being manipulated by anything. And I don't see how you trying to convince me of your hate for the characters and the story is different from manipulating someone else's opinion of a show to affect the attention of it. I see so much hate towards the show to where it honestly seems like a trend to dislike it. I mean, I very rarely see people expressing praise for The Rising of the Shield Hero. And if there is any praise, it's always met with people criticizing or refuting any likability towards it. The problem with the bad guys in Shield Hero is that they're all just that, irredeemable and/or idiots. You have to wonder why, if they're all so dumb, they have so much power and sway? For example, it's stated numerous times, in sources outside of the anime, that Malty is one of the dumbest people in her family. Yet she holds enough sway and is able to manipulate her kingdom. The villains in Shield Hero are so dumb, that it's amazing that they pose such a threat. Once again, in other works of good fiction, the villain is usually smart, or strong, or charismatic, or a combination of aforementioned traits. With Malty, she's just ... beautiful? Compare that to the good guys who are all smart and wise. Yeah, that explains why they got outplayed by the villains and can't get the people on their side... Also, good works of art has all types of people, because that's how the world is. In Black Clover, some people who are ultimately on the side of Asta are jerks with personality flaws. Some of the villains in BC have good intentions and a tragic story of why they picked their path. It's call complexity. The slave brand makes them obey him no matter what, so what's the problem??? The problem is that the anime doesn't treat the morally grey MC as morally grey. Everything he does is justified and everything the villains do are simply bad. Even if both of them do the same thing, the MC is justified while the opposition is demonized. Once again, I highly recommend Dungeon Meshi as a read because it portrays both sides well. Our MC is a goody two shoes in Dungeon Meshi, but the audience is told that his ideas are bad and ultimately bad for everyone. We see his personality flaws in his interactions with others. The opposition, not the main villains though, are pretty condescending, but we do get moments where they're sort of likable, and we understand their perspective. Even if it's revealed that the opposition are hypocrites, you can understand their thought process. With Shield Hero, it's simply not like that. That's why people don't really like it. The quality of the work is not there. For me, I dislike it even more so because it had potential. I actually wanted to watch it because I love video games and anime, so an anime based on video games was a great idea to me. Except, I grew to realize that most video game based anime are trash, like Shield Hero. https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=366454 I even said as much in my review. I wanted so bad for this to be good, and I didn't even know of the backlash. My brother and I were just scrolling popular fantasy, action, and adventure anime by popularity. We saw one with good art and clicked it. My brother and I play Final Fantasy 14, and we immediately jumped on Shield Hero when we saw it would be a class based gaming anime where they have guilds and they beat monsters as a team. We thought it would be a good anime, but we were disappointed and wrong. Instead of the shield having weak offense, it had no offense at all. I was already skeptical of that, because no way would any developer design that, because it's bad design. Then the incel thing where he trusts no one, and he lost my respect when he picked a sickly slave girl and forced her to fight, instead of getting someone who was naturally capable of that. Then he got mad when people were nervous of that. Then the loli harem crap happened. More of the hypocrisy and blatant MC wank. And more problems stacked on more problems. It irritated me, because I was playing Final Fantasy 14, Smite, and Dauntless as my main games at the time. I also played Pokemon when a new one would come out, and play it multiple times with a different starter and a new team. So I was really prepared for Shield Hero to be an anime I liked, but it just failed in a massive way. |
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