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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- It's just a coincidence that this was the 13th episode? So unlucky for the Earth Forces... It's almost sadistic 0_0 |
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| For Captain Falcon's sake! Why are Terrestrial ships so weak?! Just one shot, and 50 civilians are dead. (That makes us forget Frey's new emotional change) |
| As you can see, that around 10 JINN's , 4 stolen Earth Forces Gundams and 3 warships taking on the entire 8th fleet of around, 30-60 Ships , with 1 capital maybe a few heavier and the rest weaker ships + mobile armors. You can probably understand why the Earth Forces wanted their own mobile suits. |
'Everything is impossible until proven possible.' - Me |
Robbini said: As you can see, that around 10 JINN's , 4 stolen Earth Forces Gundams and 3 warships taking on the entire 8th fleet of around, 30-60 Ships , with 1 capital maybe a few heavier and the rest weaker ships + mobile armors. You can probably understand why the Earth Forces wanted their own mobile suits. Just my thoughts. Mobile armors are just too overpowered. Don't like it :/ And that bastard killing the civilians in the shuttle...unforgivable! KIRA SHALL DELIVER DIVINE PUNISHMENT!!! |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
supersayen said: He didn't know that there were civilians on that ship.why the hell did he kill those civilians ? |
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| Yzak is so evil, gotta love it |
| Well, damn: |
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| Okay Flay is still psycho. And good grief how can the Earth Forces not be able to do ANYTHING against such a small force? That's ridiculous. And I guess good thing Kira wasn't on that shuttle right? |
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guidodi said: Well since you obviously missed it there were ZAFT mobile suits flying around, but they don't really matter since they're not vital to the story. The Gundams are supposed to be the best in all since it was supposed to change the tide of the war, but they were obviously stolen.This anime just keeps getting worse, this episode was terrible. What is the point of sending like 50 battleship if the can't even shoot down a mobile suit. I know they are suposed to be the best but the way the kill everyone and destroy ship with only one shot is atupid. Why can't the strike do the same thing?? How can Kira do the same when he is constantly in a battle with a Gundam? Jeez it's like you're not watching the show. supersayen said: He killed them because they blocked his aim when he tried to lock onto Kira, he also thought they were soldiers fleeing from battle.why the hell did he kill those civilians ? Are they forcing the drama ? ... |
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| The imbecilic Yzak character is really detracting my enjoyment from an otherwise gripping, well made, dramatic space show. Worst thing is that they'll probably keep him around for the whole show. I don't get Flay. She obviously is unstable after seeing her father killed, but going from hating Coordinators to kissing Kira in order to get him to fight is completely unexpected. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Marzan said: Perhaps she has a CUNNING PLAN.I don't get Flay. She obviously is unstable after seeing her father killed, but going from hating Coordinators to kissing Kira in order to get him to fight is completely unexpected. |
| Wonderful episode, immersive storytelling even if there are many scenes recycled, oh well! Plot that moves forward slightly, but the growth of Kira continues unabated. Drawings and animations good, look forward to the next episode. Yzak must suffer greatly before burst, is a bastard! |
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| Yzak sucks, Flay sucks, Kira and his friends are starting to suck, and I am starting to not like this series by this point. Damn Yzak blowing up those civilians, not even Nena Trinity from 00 (who did the same thing) was as bad given simply because unlike Yzak, she was a competent pilot. Flay manipulating Kira like that, what a wench. She even kidded him behind Sai's back, and we KNOW that kiss was fake. |
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| This really reminds me the original Mobile Suit Gundam when Amuro entered atmosphere with that weird tissue xD Let's hope that the Earth arc becomes somehow better. This Gundam show really reminds me of Tomino's works. |
| I LOVE FLAY! Once again Kira is slow to protect, fuck man Seed really want to push him off the edge or something......lol |
 張大です for 張大勇督察 |
| I figured the refugees were going to get it. ZAFT just lost whatever honor it had. |
| [Cry] Agh! your highness, you didn't have to go that far! Kissing that filthy coordinator for the sake of mankind... This amount of sacrifice can only be done by Queen Flay! Truly, her kindness is endless like space itself! [Cry] |
 This protective gel for reentry is a pretty interesting idea. Seems like it could have a good use for protecting ships from incoming lasers. billng said: Yzak is so evil, gotta love it terrablu2003 said: Yzak must suffer greatly before burst, is a bastard! CodeBlazeFate said: Damn Yzak blowing up those civilians I don't get the hate for Yzak. We the audience knew that there were civilians on the shuttle, but Yzak had no reasonable way of knowing that. The only civilian bystander he was aware of was Lacus, and she had already been transferred off of the Archangel back into ZAFT's hands. Lacus was apparently not questioned as to what she saw inside the Archangel, so again ZAFT doesn't know that there were civilians from Heliopolis. Even if ZAFT had found that out from Lacus, ZAFT didn't know that the civilians were transferred from the Archangel to the admiral's ship. It's pretty reasonable to assume that a shuttle escaping from the admiral's ship is probably carrying key Earth Forces personnel, possibly the admiral himself. Rau Le Creuset apparently viewed the admiral as one of Earth's best admirals, so from ZAFT's perspective there is a good chance that he would have been on the shuttle. Militaries generally don't let their best men die when they have a chance to evacuate them. The ONLY inkling of info Yzak received was Kira saying "No! Don't shoot!" (which could have meant anything, such as Kira trying to save other Earth officers). Yzak was also reentering the atmosphere in a machine that cannot survive reenty. He was under pressure to deal as much damage as he could before trying to escape and survive. This is war. Yzak can't stop for 5 minutes to think through all possible scenarios. He has to make a choice RIGHT THEN AND NOW and go, or else he's dead. In the situation he was in and with the information he had access to, shooting the shuttle was the right call. Knowing the genre conventions of anime writing, yeah they're probably trying to make Yzak look evil, but in this instance it doesn't quite work, at least if you're adhering to Western standards regarding war. emeraldrosary said: I hate Yzak for destroying the civilian ship. He thought it was full of runaway soldiers but even if he knew they were civilians I believe he would've shot anyway. That's just the kind of hot-headed slimeball he is. I'm hard pressed to think of any nation during wartime that wouldn't pass up the opportunity to eliminate as many enemy personnel as possible, even if they were fleeing. That's a rather standard tactic (ie, shooting surrendering Vietnamese and Japanese soldiers, the Highway of Death, etc). That isn't to say it's morally right, just saying that it's nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to the standards for modern warfare. Then again, victor's justice and hypocrisy starts coming into play here, as nations regularly try and execute the people they defeat for "war crimes" while their own men who committed the very same actions get let off the hook. NoviSun said: I figured the refugees were going to get it. ZAFT just lost whatever honor it had. Even if Yzak had known beforehand, does the actions of one soldier reflect on the disposition of an entire civilization? Thus far, it seems that ZAFT has the moral high ground in the war. Earth were the aggressors and wiped out an entire colony. We haven't heard of the Earth suffering from any large scale massacres, so it seems that ZAFT has most graciously refrained from responding in kind and wiping out Earth cities. If New York was hit by a nuclear weapon, you certainly wouldn't see the United States holding back. |
Valyrian1124Oct 16, 2021 7:47 PM
Valyrian1124 said: lol that was a 5 y/o post I made. I just remember Yzak was rly dumb here, not even evil, just painfully stupid and reckless to the point of being dislikable, but I haven't even seen this damn show since then so idfk or remember the context well, I just know he did get better, eventually.This protective gel for reentry is a pretty interesting idea. Seems like it could have a good use for protecting ships from incoming lasers. billng said: Yzak is so evil, gotta love it terrablu2003 said: Yzak must suffer greatly before burst, is a bastard! CodeBlazeFate said: Damn Yzak blowing up those civilians I don't get the hate for Yzak. We the audience knew that there were civilians on the shuttle, but Yzak had no reasonable way of knowing that. The only civilian bystander he was aware of was Lacus, and she had already been transferred off of the Archangel back into ZAFT's hands. Lacus was apparently not questioned as to what she saw inside the Archangel, so again ZAFT doesn't know that there were civilians from Heliopolis. Even if ZAFT had found that out from Lacus, ZAFT didn't know that the civilians were transferred from the Archangel to the admiral's ship. It's pretty reasonable to assume that a shuttle escaping from the admiral's ship is probably carrying key Earth Forces personnel, possibly the admiral himself. Rau Le Creuset apparently viewed the admiral as one of Earth's best admirals, so from ZAFT's perspective there is a good chance that he would have been on the shuttle. Militaries generally don't let their best men die when they have a chance to evacuate them. The ONLY inkling of info Yzak received was Kira saying "No! Don't shoot!" (which could have meant anything, such as Kira trying to save other Earth officers). Yzak was also reentering the atmosphere in a machine that cannot survive reenty. He was under pressure to deal as much damage as he could before trying to escape and survive. This is war. Yzak can't stop for 5 minutes to think through all possible scenarios. He has to make a choice RIGHT THEN AND NOW and go, or else he's dead. In the situation he was in and with the information he had access to, shooting the shuttle was the right call. Knowing the genre conventions of anime writing, yeah they're probably trying to make Yzak look evil, but in this instance it doesn't quite work, at least if you're adhering to Western standards regarding war. emeraldrosary said: I hate Yzak for destroying the civilian ship. He thought it was full of runaway soldiers but even if he knew they were civilians I believe he would've shot anyway. That's just the kind of hot-headed slimeball he is. I'm hard pressed to think of any nation during wartime that wouldn't pass up the opportunity to eliminate as many enemy personnel as possible, even if they were fleeing. That's a rather standard tactic (ie, shooting surrendering Vietnamese and Japanese soldiers, the Highway of Death, etc). That isn't to say it's morally right, just saying that it's nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to the standards for modern warfare. Then again, victor's justice and hypocrisy starts coming into play here, as nations regularly try and execute the people they defeat for "war crimes" while their own men who committed the very same actions get let off the hook. NoviSun said: I figured the refugees were going to get it. ZAFT just lost whatever honor it had. Even if Yzak had known beforehand, does the actions of one soldier reflect on the disposition of an entire civilization? Thus far, it seems that ZAFT has the moral high ground in the war. Earth were the aggressors and wiped out an entire colony. We haven't heard of the Earth suffering from any large scale massacres, so it seems that ZAFT has most graciously refrained from responding in kind and wiping out Earth cities. If New York was hit by a nuclear weapon, you certainly wouldn't see the United States holding back. |
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| Yoooooo wtf, it's truly an insane episode when the kiss wasn't even the most shocking part(Flay is a manipulative bitch after all) The battle was intense, the likeable admiral died like a Chad and Yzak made a tragic mistake. Ironic how joining the military saved the lives of Kira, Flay and the others. |
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| Well that just happened :( |
| I hope yzak gets the most cruel end in the show, togheter with that evil girl Flay |
| ''Touch the darkness inside me'' |
| Captain Ramius yet again flexing her exemplary uselessness. she has been fantastically useless this entire series based Kira staying based in the face of sure terror & death wow that was really fucked up to shoot the escape craft things are gonna get ugly now |
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