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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- wow, hat was a very intense last three episode. for a second i thought they were going to get discovered, or commit suicide or something crazy like that. in the end they just went with the flow. hehe. i am not so sure how i feel about that. i mean society is not so kind that such a thing would go unnoticed. not only that people see incest as so repulsive that even a inkling of it raises a flag in everyone and their mothers. i wouldn't really mind if someone i knew was into that so long as there was no detrimental effects. oh well, its just a story right? |
| I guess the ending is open to interpretation. For some reason it left me with the feeling that they would secretly love each other, and spend a day in spring every year together. However, the love between the two to me is questionable. Especially for the older brother. I didn't really see what he saw in his younger sister. It seemed more like infatuation than love to me, which in that case makes him a crazy dude. Also I didn't really like the way he handled the relationship. I thought that he was going to fix the issue towards the end, but letting it continue kinda surprised me. He seemed like he didn't mature enough to control, or restrain his emotions. He knew what they were doing was wrong, he knew exactly what he had to do to stop it from going further, he chose to continue the "love" relationship, so I was really disappointed in his character. |
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| The ending was so open. did they agree not to met each other until the spring of every year. Or are they still going to be together? Well in any case, it was a good drama series, but i can't give it any higher than a 6/10 solely based on my personal morals. And just like the translators note mentioned on the last ep "I don't condone statutory rape or incest" as what happened in ep 11 |
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| I just loved this series, and it turned out all right for them in the end. It doesn't matter that it's incest, they love each other so that's that. That translator's note at the end really pissed me off though, they could really keep their personal opinion to themselves. |
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| hmhm I finished this awhile ago -__-;; and the ending is really open but most probably that they will meet every spring :D Nanoka's friend was scared cos she knew she might be with her big brother *___* anyhow I've enjoyed watching this I give it a 7 ~ |
| You kids and your morals... I really really don't know how you kids rate those sicko ecchi series higher than this series. Despite the twofold taboo on this show it is really more realistic than your idiotic ecchi harem crap. This is better than most anime I've seen (except the art) and you don't have to agree but I frankly say I really enjoyed this show. |
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| Great series, one of my favorites. |
| Does the manga continue on much past this "ending"? Everything felt to happy go lucky but I'm sure if there was a continuation we'd see nothing but hardships for both of them and their family. I'm guessing they both know nothing positive would happen if they "came out of the closet". This ending did indeed make it seem like they would continue living on as they where before hooking up but still support each other. Neither said I love you even though both wanted to. They only wrote their names on a tree and promised to go there once a year. something I found interesting. The workers at the park where mentioning that the trees should be cut down. Nanoka and Koshiro write their names under an umbrella on one of the trees. Is this a subliminal message to us hinting that their relationship wont last? It felt like it, I mean why would they toss that chunk of info at us if it didn't mean something? Anyway this was a decent series. the story was interesting to say the least. |
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| I finished watching this series last night and it was a nice love story. I could handle the gap between their ages, but the brother thing is realy hard to digest. I was hoping that in the end, koshiro would be mature enough to understand and make nanoka understand too that they were brothers and put an end to anything else but brothers love. Thats what you can expect from an adult. But well, as they say, you cant choose who you will fall in love... and just because of that im gonna assume too that they stayed together, just decided not to run away or tell anybody yet and promissed to go back to the park once a year to remember where they met. |
DeathfireD said: something I found interesting. The workers at the park where mentioning that the trees should be cut down. Nanoka and Koshiro write their names under an umbrella on one of the trees. Is this a subliminal message to us hinting that their relationship wont last? It felt like it, I mean why would they toss that chunk of info at us if it didn't mean something? Aaaaah shimata! you have a point there. For the sake of my own happiness, I will choose the happy ever after option though. To be honest, the age difference I found harder to digest than being siblings... It's not like they grew up together. Plus, they fell in love before they knew they were siblings! Or maybe it's just because I don't have any siblings myself :P |
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Orio94 said: That translator's note at the end really pissed me off though, they could really keep their personal opinion to themselves. So you went with anime.fin too? Well, I don't mind, since everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I for one follow 2 criteria when deciding the worth of a romance, which is the question if whether a love is both pure and consensual. So if these criteria are satisfied, then I see past age, gender and blood barriers, or any other kind for that matter. As for this anime, I liked the fact that they kept it open ended... after all, I'm all for happy endings whenever they're possible. |
| I like Koi Kaze because it handled the romance as realistically as possible instead of blowing it out of proportion. I abhorred the first three episodes because it focused too much on hinting at Koshir's desire for incest and pedophilia which was further enforced by Koshiro's nerdy perverted coworker. Then it moved away from those implications and the remaining episodes made me sort of understand why they love each other. Chidori's intervention really took this show to a whole new level and I have tremendous respect for her as a character. Still, I'll be honest that I personally don't want anything to do with the taboo subjects associated with this show. |
| I'm glad that it was a happy ending^^ It was a good series, but they could have made more about how other people react to their relationship and what they do some years later and so on, but it was still quite good :-) About the incest-topic: I think love knows no bounds. If homosexuality is allowed, incest should be allowed, too. Of course, to the most, both of them seem quite disgusting, but tolerance is to still accept those who prefer this. To me, the bed scene still felt wrong, but that was because of the age gap. A 27-years-old man should really think twice, if he should take the virginity of a 15-year-old. Well, for me, he acted too fast and not appropriate for his age. The scene somehow made their love "impure"^^ But who knows, might be it's better for her having her first time this way than getting laid by some cheater. It was a good and interesting anime with a not often used theme, I give it a 8/10. |
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garytek said: Agreed completely. It was so real, how she handled it. Society will never accept incest, and she handled it perfectly.Chidori's intervention really took this show to a whole new level and I have tremendous respect for her as a character. This show was enjoyable. Kind of slow, but so is life. :) Expected some sort of tragedy to happen, like they both commit lover's suicide or that ferris wheel gets demolished while they're sitting in it, ahahaha. But part of me is a little unsatisfied that the ending glamorizes their relationship to an extent. There is no way their relationship would ever end happily. That's just the way it is. Well, guess that's the beauty of this show: everything's up for interpretation. |
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| Wow. That was beautifully done.... and something I'll never forget. It was very realistic and NOT over sexualized or over done in anyway. I wanted to see what happened AFTER they became a couple in society, but it was also smart that they left things open to interpretation. This "taboo" relationship was MUCH more meaningful than the bullsh!t relationships in harem anime... I'm surprisingly (because I wasn't into this show in the beginning) giving this series a 9/10. Bravo. Bravo! |
MusashiRoseDec 1, 2010 3:48 PM
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| Somehow i expected bit more from this anime, someone said it can be as good as series from Key. Guess it was hard to put 7/10 . There was potential, i liked feeling of reality.Good point was differentiation from usual concept of romance in animes But there was strange thing, i like romances i kind of love them, i also watched some siblings romances and i liked them but in this one i hopped for "Nii-san" to get some reasoning from very 1st episode and for them to end up breaking up. i felt like "Nii-san Baka !! move to another town or country, became cosmonaut and live on Mars itll be more reasonable !!" There should have been some dramatic obstacles or they should have found out they r not blood relatives in the end.i just miss something in there. It was too easygoing for reality and to boring for fantasy. |
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| oh gosh, I cried again >_< beautiful ending. I really wanted them to be together, but now I'll never know. But it looks like they chose to keep their love to themselves. It's just sad that they can't live out their lives like other people. But at least they have their love I guess |
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DeathfireD said: something I found interesting. The workers at the park where mentioning that the trees should be cut down. Nanoka and Koshiro write their names under an umbrella on one of the trees. Is this a subliminal message to us hinting that their relationship wont last? It felt like it, I mean why would they toss that chunk of info at us if it didn't mean something? I also noticed this, and I also thought he said something about them tearing the entire theme park down for a strip mall or something. I took it as a sort of subliminal message that their relationship is still fragile and uncertain. Both the tree they wrote their names on and the park they promised to visit together will be gone before the next year most likely, so it's almost like a question of whether or not they would last that long to even return. As I said in the ep12 thread, I think for me the main issue here is the age difference. He acts like a horny teenager and she acts like a naive little girl for the most part, and as must as I want to say "I hope they live happily ever after," I just don't believe they will. He's been nothing but selfish, and she has no idea what she is even getting into. Their already torn family will be even more disrupted, if not completely destroyed. Their friends have all but given up on them already, so just wait until they come out and announce what everyone seems to suspect. I'm not saying incest is 100% wrong, I'm saying their particular relationship is unwise, and will not end well for them. On top of that, as much as I hate it, society will dominate their lives. Especially in Japan. Somewhat depressing, but I love this anime for forcing the topic to be pondered. In the words of my favorite character from this series, "I can't tell you 'good luck,' so I'll just say 'stay well.'" She would have been a good girlfriend for him, and I was kinda hoping it would work out that way before they exchanged bodily fluids. |
| wow, quite sad ending |
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| am i the only one who took the talk about the park where they met closing and the trees that they talk about in the first ep and they write there names being cut down as a sign that they are just doomed in the future? idk just seemed like symbolism to me lol but on another note i really dont know how i feel about this anime to be honest lol |
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| It wasn't even subtle really. There was a lot of symbolism saying that this wouldn't last. Why would they even mention cutting down the trees, if it didn't mean that? Or the park closing sign (the park is where they began their romance), it's not like they stick things like that in there for no reason. |
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| ^^ I agree that the sstory uses a lot of symbolizims to get some ideas through on previous episodes. But the "Cutting Tree" parts i believe just signifies that they wont be able to live under the same roof(atm) as they couldn't defend they point of view with sentiments only. At the end he still can't man up and tell her he loves her, even she is doing so much for him already. He proves through out the entire anime to have a poor constitution, unable to stand for wha the believes and have a horrible character. 7/10 - Have of the decision the male character did where retarded. 8/10 - This actually made me think a little bit after i was done writing this On the episode Koshiro goes out with his ex: At the end of the night, for two sec, Koshiro realizes that getting laid with her would be a bad idea, he stops, she and understands things straight. She later gives a blank face and says his boyfriend is a really nice person. Did she really mean that? or it was a way to complement Koshiro (there really wasn't a boyfriend, and she was aware on nice he can be)? I was hoping they would come back to this at the end of the anime = |
choyosJun 4, 2011 3:10 PM
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| This anime left me without words. It's first time that I saw something so hard on me,this is better than some movies! Seriously,and for those two people Koshiro and Nanoka,they proved that they love each other more than anything,so good luck to 'em ^^ And I still don't know,is it good or wrong to be like these two? I think I'll never get the right answer :/ Anyways,my rating for this anime is 9. Everyone has rights for their own opinions :) Really enjoyed in watching this ANIME! Thanks! ^^ |
| Oh boy. This series genuinely shocked me. Not because the story was about incest (althought that was quite shocking too) or because of the huge age gap between the two lovers. The reason I was shocked is because I wasn't expecting that kind of level of seriousness. Most other animes treat incest cautiously or try to avoid the topic altogether. Koi Kaze is different. It treats the topic in a very serious and mature manner. It does a fantastic job at describing the feelings of the people who fall in love with their siblings/relatives. Koi Kaze is as realistic about incest as it gets. There are no exaggerations in this anime and the scenario is totally plausible. It's as if this wasn't a work of fiction. It makes me think that someone actually witnessed the struggles of two people like Nanoka and Koshiro and simply wrote all of it down on a piece of paper which was then turned into an anime series. Genetic sexual attraction is a real thing indeed. There are extremely high chances that siblings who were sparated at birth will fall in love when they meet as adults, regardless of the age gap. That's why this series is so real. It's not like a brother and sister lived with each other for their whole lifes and then suddenly they decided to fall in love. No. They were separated very early and met... hmm, 15 years later? They had no idea what the other was like. The way the story develops is also very realistic. Koshiro fought his feelings for the larger part of the series and Nanoka, being so young, didn't actually know what she was feeling towards him. In the end though they both realise what it is and... end up... doing... what they did (humm ¬_¬). Anyway... The ending is extremely open and that's what disappointed me a little. Although I guess I shouldn't be suprised because that's the deal with these kind of animes. They all have open endings - like Yosuga no Sora and Elfen Lied - oh and before you jump up and say, "WHAT!? Incest in elften lied where!?" I'll remind you that Yuka fell in love with Kohta even though the latter was her cousin. As many people mentioned already there is a lot of symbolism in the last episode and it all centers around the theme park on those cherry blossom trees. They promise each other to go to the theme park once a year, which is already confusing... does that mean they'll only see each other once a year or what? Who knows. The most confusing bit thought is that the theme park was scheduled for liquidation. To top it all off, the tree they carved their names into was going to be cut down. What does that mean? The simplest and most rational explanation is that it was a hint that their relationship will not withstand the test of time. Maybe something bad happened along the way... maybe they decided never to see each other again, maybe... they decided to commit suicide after all? These are only assumptions however. We will never know what happened to them later on, unless of course they decide to make a sequel. Which I doubt they ever will, especially with the new law that was passed in Japan now. All in all, a great show. Not for the feint hearted though and certainly not for those who can't stomach this type of genre. TL;DR - Astonishingly realistic. Go watch it now. |
SimonianAug 27, 2011 1:51 AM
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| I'll say that it was an okay ending because I don't really like open endings. The symbolism was definitely present in this episode. The amusement park is going out of business, and they're cutting down the sakura trees to build a new mall. It's basically saying that life goes on, and Nanoka and Koshiro will also move on with their lives. Showing the sakura trees is also good because it goes back to the first episode. He saw the tree leaves when they first met. With the trees leaving, so must their relationship. A full circle. |
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| While the story was quite heartfelt, I really found it annoying how they portrayed the older brother. He seemed like a lovesick pedophile, and that took away a lot from the experience for me. I couldn't stand his character at all. |
bbmello said: While the story was quite heartfelt, I really found it annoying how they portrayed the older brother. He seemed like a lovesick pedophile, and that took away a lot from the experience for me. I couldn't stand his character at all. This is how I felt pretty much. From what I observed was that he was pretty bummed and was in need for female-attention... put in nicer words. *ahem* Lucky his young sister comes in the picture. (Not) He turns out to be a guy that thinks with his genitals instead of his brain, so he slowly and steady manipulates his little sister which is young and naive as most teenagers can be. When she walks with that guy she's a little interested home and he makes the guy leave.. I just. That was it for me. I couldn't take it anymore. What a perverted and selfish character. I don't understand why people can enjoy this anime, it wasn't as sweet, passionate as I saw people wrote. If I knew it was an incest anime before I watched it, I wouldn't have sit through this sickness. So yeah, to me this was just a horny guy manipulating his naive little sister into thinking she likes him too. I'm okay with incest because it's their lives, not mine and I think people can do whatever they want as long as they aren't harming anyone - but this anime was just... ugh, not real love. That's just my opinion though! |
| What the heck was that? Until the very end, he didn't have his own resolution~ he just went with the flow? What the hell! The truth is im expecting more of this! But it failed me.. I would like for them to face the truth and go in separate ways and the key to that is with the guy.. BUt Tsk. Whatever! |
Valandis said: bbmello said: While the story was quite heartfelt, I really found it annoying how they portrayed the older brother. He seemed like a lovesick pedophile, and that took away a lot from the experience for me. I couldn't stand his character at all. This is how I felt pretty much. From what I observed was that he was pretty bummed and was in need for female-attention... put in nicer words. *ahem* Lucky his young sister comes in the picture. (Not) He turns out to be a guy that thinks with his genitals instead of his brain, so he slowly and steady manipulates his little sister which is young and naive as most teenagers can be. When she walks with that guy she's a little interested home and he makes the guy leave.. I just. That was it for me. I couldn't take it anymore. What a perverted and selfish character. I don't understand why people can enjoy this anime, it wasn't as sweet, passionate as I saw people wrote. If I knew it was an incest anime before I watched it, I wouldn't have sit through this sickness. So yeah, to me this was just a horny guy manipulating his naive little sister into thinking she likes him too. This comment is absolutely hilarious. I notice you don't even mention Nanoka's involvement or feelings towards her brother for a single instance in the above rant. Why is that? Hahahahahah. I would have to think because if you did, then it would completely invalidate just about all of your accusations towards Koushiro. When Koushiro tried to distance himself from Nanoka, who was it that went to bring him back? That's right! She wasn't some poor naive girl being corrupted by her big bad evil brother. She has her own choices, and she made them throughout the course of this series. That were you completely blind to these choices makes me think that all you did was watch what Koushiro was doing. This is not a storybook romance. This is not an idealistic romance. If you watched Koi Kaze expecting to have all the bubbles, misunderstandings, and staring as say, Kimi no Todoke or any other shoujo manga aimed at 12 year olds who have absolutely no idea how love or romance actually works, then yes, your comments are justified. You watched the wrong show. This isn't idealistic slop pandering to the youngest audience. This an adult-oriented character study about a very real occurrence known as Genetic Sexual Attraction Koushiro is not meant to be a knight in shining armor or anything. He's a guy with definite flaws as the series portrays. Nevertheless, he doesn't 'manipulate' his sister. Both of them have their agency, which is basically what the series is about. |
MeddigoNov 7, 2011 5:44 PM
| That ending was quite beautiful actually, I went into this episode a little hesitant but it turns out to have been an absoloutly fantastic anime and one that I will remember, this anime really pushed the boat out there, and really pushed the boundaries.. and it has made me think a lot, as to whether it matters as long as the love is real... the ending really was sweet, as much as i'd like to think they lived happily ever after, I don't think they did, I think they will always love each other, but maybe realised, it would hurt too many people, and in the end it wouldn't last, but it semt at the end the brother realised just how much he loved her.... I guess it might have been better if they didn't sleeo together, purely beacuse of the age, the sibling part never bothered me once i knew that what they had was read, unlike the beggining when it semt just purely sexual! But other than that, a beautiful love story! so glad i came out my comfort zome to witness this anime :) |
| I really enjoyed the series as a whole. I just marathoned it all this evening and I was expecting something like meaningless fanservice but there wasnt really anything like that. It's an Incestuous story but it was tastefully done (If you can ever call Incest tasteful =o) and the characters felt quite real to me. Koshiro being exactly the same age as me and having the same attitude towards life as me really allowed me to relate to his situation. I probably would have handled it the exact same way...I even thought a couple of episodes in that if something goes too far then I would move out. Then lo and behold he did. I guessed he would quit his job as I would have to after my colleague would have found out...and he did. There would have been a lot of resistance but I think with Nanako's tenacity she probably would have won me over eventually as well so I really cant fault Koshiro for simply being human. The ending remaining open is something I didnt really expect, for some reason I was expecting some tragedy to happen like the Ferris Wheel to fall over while they prayed for it to move but I suppose this is just as good as there might be a chance for them to move away together after Nanako graduates High School. All in all an 8/10, it would have been higher but the first few episodes were rather dull before any drama kicked in. |
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| I just finished it yesterday and really enjoyed it - I gave it an 8. Obviously the subject is a little hard for some people to swallow and move on, but I didnt mind it myself. If you look deeper than that it's really a nice love story. The art style isnt great imo but other than that I thought it was really good and handled in a mature way. Also, a little OT but to the person who compared homosexuality to incest: thats not the same thing. I dont judge anyone about who they want to love, but obviously incest is more questionable. PS I think that judging this anime based on personal morals is unfair. |
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