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Whoa talk about drama. It's about damn time Eren needs to be recused now tbh but seems to be struggling. Oh and hi Armored Titan.
Also holy shit Ymir...did she just freaking eat Christa?! Wow.
"Bertholdt: After you went back to being human, did you still remember who you ate?"
A solid proof that they were once human before being a titan and not titan to human?
Why can't she remember who she ate? Is it because she ate a lot of humans before?
OnePieceQ8 said: lol Bert has feelings for Annie !? didn't see that coming.
Right?? That was quite a surprise. Nice to see everyone catch up to Reiner and co. so quickly. And the thing with Ymir being trapped in her titan form, does that mean there's a possibility of people changing back? Or is it just those special people in those tribes who're from outside the wall?
ugh i just think it was damn silly for the squad to just wait and watch as ymir was messing about in her titan form. also i laughed my ass off when reiner had eren in the stranglehold and erens like "im gonna kill you" some things never change
The Warrior thing is confusing..especially when Ymir says they are Reiner's.
A sacrifice in the next chapter. I'll be looking forward to it next month.
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One of the best chapters so far. There's so much mystery surrounding all of the titan/people creations right now and it's awesome. Plus Ymir was pretty badass the way she took control of the situation and nearly had Berthold scared to death.
-MgZ_ said: "Bertholdt: After you went back to being human, did you still remember who you ate?"
A solid proof that they were once human before being a titan and not titan to human?
Sure sounds like it.
Why can't she remember who she ate? Is it because she ate a lot of humans before?
I guess they weren't really conscious as titans before they turned into humans again, so their memory is fuzzy, especially if they were in titan form for several decades.
redd530 said: Guys, what does "Eren doesn't seem to remember either . ." means?
Are they implying that Eren was also a Titan before? That the serum his father injected him didn't really give him powers but only reawakened it?
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it but the first chapter's title is "To you in 2000 years", so there might be a connection.
....2000? But the Titans appeared 200 years ago....what is going on here.
And when he said in the first chapter that he had a really long dream but couldn't remember it and cryed...and dreamed about Mikasa with short hair..
There just has to be a huge connection after this.
redd530 said: Guys, what does "Eren doesn't seem to remember either . ." means?
Are they implying that Eren was also a Titan before? That the serum his father injected him didn't really give him powers but only reawakened it?
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it but the first chapter's title is "To you in 2000 years", so there might be a connection.
....2000? But the Titans appeared 200 years ago....what is going on here.
And when he said in the first chapter that he had a really long dream but couldn't remember it and cryed...and dreamed about Mikasa with short hair..
There just has to be a huge connection after this.
I think it referred to the fact that Eren didn't remember he attacked Mikasa in Trost. He loses memories in his titan form.
Iasuru said: 60 years da fack. That's like old as shit. I'm sure that Ymir was originally a titan that can turn into a human.
Correction: Ymir was a human before becoming a titan for 60 years. She lived as a titan in a human form. How she managed to revert is ... IDK. She meets Christa and holds to her.
Was she a human before that, however.
Finally, a good chapter. Worried for the retrieval party :(
I'm hoping that the human-titans escape since I'm curious as to what their hoe village looks like. But I have a feeling Hannes (stationary troops leader/ drunkard) will sacrifice himself for the recovery of Eren.
That was one hell of a chapter.
So Eren was a titan all along? and Ymir is over 60 years old.. Well, I'm confused but I'm sure we'll start getting more and more answers from here on.
Nice chapter lots of new questions, not too many answers. So apparently annie worked with bert and rein, and Ymir says she's 60 years old yet doesn't remember she ate people lol. I'd really like to know how they plan on getting annie back, also why annie was crying in titan form.
I have a feeling that Hannes is going to die, and Eren is going to find out he killed/ate people as a titan before he realized he was a titan.
Hannes better die, and I hope its off screen like marco or really messed up. I wish we could just understand what the title of the first chapter means though! " To you in 2000 years"??? We're gonna have one mind blowing conclusion to this manga.
A great chapter overall, it seems questions keep surfacing though. Hope we get some answers soon. I was kinda surprised when they said Ymir was in titan form for 60 years, yet her human body hasn´t aged.
It totally looked like Ymir bit off Christa's leg on p37. So is Christa gonna be missing a leg now? Unless she didn't actually bite it off and it just looked that way
Dr. Yaeger already knew about wall maria falling before it actually happened
(year 844 he knew this. This is also the year they rescued Mikasa).
He injected Eren with the Titan serum so Eren could protect everyone and recapture the wall, but Eren didnt know how to activate his powers at that age (9 years old)
Eren was always a human. He was turned into a titan the moment Dr. Yaegar gave him the serum. Eren did start of with Titan powers in the first chapter, he just didnt know how to use them. Let alone did he know he was injected with the powers. The serum Dr. Yaeger gave him caused him to suffer some memory loss. The Titans never attacked the wall maria until the year 845. If Eren was killing people before that he would of had to leave outside of town or he would of been noticed and killed in the year 844-- the moment he got his powers.
That is the answer to all the people saying Eren was killing people as a Titan before he knew he had Titan abilities
2.)
Bertl and Reiner are older than they appear just like Ymir. They might be older than Ymir because the manga talked about how sad Bertl and Reiner was when Ymir ate their comrade
(Ymir had no idea what she was doing those 60 years back)
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- A "plague" ravaged the settlement, but Dr. Jaeger somehow saved everyone.
843
- Ymir regained her human form.
844
- Mikasa awakened her ability.
- Mikasa was welcomed into the Jaeger family.
845
- Eren wanted to join the Recon Corps.
- Dr. Jaeger showed him the key.
- Titans first broke into Wall Maria.
- Eren's mom died.
- Eren and the others are being evacuated.
- Dr. Jaeger gave the Serum and the key to Eren.
- Eren and the others got evacuated to the Middle Wall. Somehow Eren has Dr. Jaeger's key.
- Most of the refugees were culled to avoid famine.
- Eren vowed to kill all Titans by joining the military, specifically the Recon Corps.
848
- Eren and the others graduated from the military.
- The Titans broke into Wall Rose.
- Eren became a Titan. Everyone except his soon-to-be-wife and his buddy boy.
- The wall was resealed, but will be unusable.
- Eren officially became a part of the Recon Corps. Their goal is to reach the basement.
- Female Titan emerges.
- Turns out it was Annie.
- Eren and the others manages to defeat Annie, but discovered that the wall is stuffed with Colossal Titans.
- They need to find someone who knows about the wall.
- Weird Beast Titan creating Titans from humans.
- Beast Titan clearly shows interest in humans.
- Ymir became a Titan.
- Christa turns out to be Historia who knows stuff about the wall.
- Reiner and Bertholdt kidnap Eren and Ymir.
- Reiner and Bertholdt tries to convice Eren and Ymir to join their side. Ymir agrees in exchange for the assurance of Christa's future.
- The Beast Titan is implied to be a mid-boss or possibly final boss.
- Ymir reveals that she was a Titan for 60 years, with no memory of what she was doing all those times.
- Ymir kidnaps Christa.
luke_c said: I think this pretty much confirms all titans were once humans, some have been able to change back to humans.
I agree! I remember thinking about this idea when the show first aired, but I slowly gave up as the action got more intense. There has to be some connection.
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Also, all of them were discussing how they "forgot who they ate" and that it was probably the same with Eren. Is this the answer to the mystery of his father's disappearance?? I know that has been a theory running around online......hmm... So many unanswered questions!
i think the most mind boggling question is this: WHEN IS EREN GOING TO STOP ACTING LIKE A PATHETIC LITTLE PRICK?????
XLNC said: The death flag for Hannes just went full staff.
i thought so too at first, but then i remembered this is snk. where its /always/ the one you least expect to die that kicks the bucket. for all we know rivaille might be next.
.....(shudders)
???
- A "plague" ravaged the settlement, but Dr. Jaeger somehow saved everyone.
843
- Ymir regained her human form.
844
- Mikasa awakened her ability.
- Mikasa was welcomed into the Jaeger family.
845
- Eren wanted to join the Recon Corps.
- Dr. Jaeger showed him the key.
- Titans first broke into Wall Maria.
- Eren's mom died.
- Eren and the others are being evacuated.
- Dr. Jaeger gave the Serum and the key to Eren.
- Eren and the others got evacuated to the Middle Wall. Somehow Eren has Dr. Jaeger's key.
- Most of the refugees were culled to avoid famine.
- Eren vowed to kill all Titans by joining the military, specifically the Recon Corps.
848
- Eren and the others graduated from the military.
- The Titans broke into Wall Rose.
- Eren became a Titan. Everyone except his soon-to-be-wife and his buddy boy.
- The wall was resealed, but will be unusable.
- Eren officially became a part of the Recon Corps. Their goal is to reach the basement.
- Female Titan emerges.
- Turns out it was Annie.
- Eren and the others manages to defeat Annie, but discovered that the wall is stuffed with Colossal Titans.
- They need to find someone who knows about the wall.
- Weird Beast Titan creating Titans from humans.
- Beast Titan clearly shows interest in humans.
- Ymir became a Titan.
- Christa turns out to be Historia who knows stuff about the wall.
- Reiner and Bertholdt kidnap Eren and Ymir.
- Reiner and Bertholdt tries to convice Eren and Ymir to join their side. Ymir agrees in exchange for the assurance of Christa's future.
- The Beast Titan is implied to be a mid-boss or possibly final boss.
- Ymir reveals that she was a Titan for 60 years, with no memory of what she was doing all those times.
- Ymir kidnaps Christa.
I'll use your post to put some things (for comparison, the original post is in spoiler tags). Copy-paste from the Japanese Wiki (and tl-ed with GT):
742 years before
History of the previous 742 years has become a blank period of history that has not been mentioned in Sakuchu, truth is in the dark.
743 years
The earliest record can be confirmed, the emergence of giant is confirmed in this age. The majority of mankind is killed by this, human beings who survived was confined to the inside of the wall.
Checks out: 845-100=745/850-107=742
770 - 780 period about
Gate of Shiganshina district is wide open by giant believer. Shiganshina District suffer extensive damage by giant invading. Kyukuro birth.
Be an entity that can kill the giant by Angel and Jorge is proved.
Where the JW got this info from I have no idea, but it seems that there was an attack in Shiganshina before 845 and it seems to have lasted for a decade, before the Wall being fixed as we see in 845. Can't make much of the translation of the names, but it's tempting to relate Christa's family history to this part of the story.
780 - 790 period about
Three-dimensional mobility training equipment is employed as subjects Corps formally.
I put down the giant Kyukuro is using a three-dimensional mobility device for the first time in history.
3DMG was first used by a giant. What type of giant.
The rest I'll put in spoilers, as a reference to the time-present events.
835 years
Ellen, Mikasa, aluminate birth.
844 years
Mikasa parents died. I will be picked up by Yeager home later.
845 years
The super-sized giant appearance in the protruding section Shiganshina district of Wall Maria southern tip. Maria Wall is also topped with invasion of giant number of local residents to save Wall Rose.
Mother Ellen died in damage of giant invasion. Father is also missing and later, Ellen, Mikasa, aluminate to evacuate to the settlement.
846 years
Total attack multiplied by the recapture territory is dared, but failed. Outward from the wall Rose, Shiganshina district was abandoned, humanity has lost 20% of the population and 1/3 of the territory.
Wall Maria residents were refugees also mobilized the strategy, many were killed (parents of aluminate also died at this time).
847 years
104th season training corps organization. I joined the Corps of Wall southbound Rose Ellen, Mikasa, aluminate is out of the settlement.
850 years
104th Corps training period to complete a full training course, dissolution.
Super-sized giant appeared again in the protruding section Trost district of Wall Rose southern edge, door is destroyed. Defense operations from the giant invading is carried out jointly in the old 104th season training Corps graduates who garrison the Corps, had just wait for the official assignment.
In the human side outnumbered, Ellen giant body appearance. The blockade the entry pathway of giant strategy to recapture about the Ellen giant body, the Trost district that is nearly to control giant is planning a new in the field, was opened by the super-sized giant. Survey corps that rushed received an urgent message Next is aid, even while out tremendous sacrifice [Note 10], to succeed to the mop-up of giant has entered the Trost district. Victory for the First Time giants of humanity.
Art of War special meeting was chaired by President Darisu-Zakkure is opened, deliberations were made about the pros and cons of treatment and the presence of Ellen. A result, the investigation Corps take charge of the custody of Ellen decision.
57th wall outside investigation by the Corps study is also carried out, will be forced to homing While the 1st in less than it received a great deal of damage. Military Police team delivery of Ellen's decision in response to this result.
Wall outside investigation, investigation Corps employee of some of Erwin 揮下 is running the capture strategy "giant of a woman type" also fail.
Result of the 57th wall outside investigation, concluded with Ani Leonhart of Wall Shinasutohesu district military police team belonging to "giant of a woman type", research Corps to carry out detention operations.
A group of giant "giant beast" led by Wall Rose within the intrusion, the war in Utgard Castle Ruins and research corps. The instant success of team led by Judge has joined giant Ymir and body, let someone get away the "giant beast" is also punitive.
It Berthold Huber and Rainer Brown investigation Corps affiliation is the identity "of the giant armor" and "super-sized giant," respectively after reaching Wall Rose and the old 104th season training Corps graduates turned out. Started engage the Corps investigation in order to take the Ymir and Ellen.
Back to the time-present chronicle:
835 - Eren, Mikasa, and Armin are born.
844
- Mikasa lost her parents and is saved by the doctor and his son.
- Mikasa is welcomed into the Jaeger family.
->< 845: A "plague" ravaged the settlement, but Dr. Jaeger somehow saved everyone.
~~ 845 or earlier
- Reiner and Bert's village has been attacked by titans, later Ymir was recognized as one of them (Berik's death).
- Ymir regained her human form. 845-60=785. Might be connected to the events in 770-780.
845 [The story begins]
- Eren wants to join the Recon Corps.
- Dr. Jaeger shows him the key.
- Titans first broke into Shiganshina, then into Wall Maria.
- Eren's mom dies.
- Eren and the others are being evacuated.
- Dr. Jaeger gave the serum and the key to Eren.
- Eren and the others got evacuated to behind Wall Rose. Somehow Eren has Dr. Jaeger's key.
846
- Most of the refugees are culled to avoid famine in the failed attempt to retake Wall Maria.
847-8 - Eren, Mikasa, Armin and others are seen to work in the landfills.
- Eren vows to kill all Titans by joining the military, specifically the Recon Corps.
- Eren and the others join the military in training - 104-th Trainees' Corps - at the age of 12 (in 848).
849 (or mid 848) - 34-th expedition outside the Walls (Wall Rose, perhaps), in which the last survivor of the squad, Ilse Langner, records the first communication established between a human and a titan (through speech).
The name"Ymir", a honorific address as "-sama", and a group of creatures ("Ymir's people") are mentioned in the process. Ilse is killed by the titan.
The notebook is found later by Levi (and Hanji) in another mission of the Scouting Legion.
850
- Eren and the others graduate from the military.
- Eren's father has been missing for 5 years.
- The Titans break into Trost (at Wall Rose), before their assignments to the regiments.
- Eren turns into a Titan. Everyone except his soon-to-be-wife and his buddy boy is against him.
- The wall is re-sealed, but will be unusable.
- Eren officially becomes a part of the Recon Corps. Their official goal is to reach the basement of Eren's house, in Shiganshina (Wall Maria).
- Female Titan emerges. Turns out it is Annie.
- Eren and the others manage to defeat Annie, but discover that the wall is stuffed with (Colossal) Titans. Annie crystalizes and is put into dungeon.
- They need to find someone who knows about the wall [-> Pastor Nick-> Christa].
- Weird Beast Titan is creating Titans from humans, possibly.
- Beast Titan clearly shows interest in humans and the 3DMG. Unlike the other titans, human-titans included, he can use human speech.
- Ymir turns into a Titan. Titans react untypically in her and/or Christa's presence. Ymir can speak in her titan form and can read ancient language(s), unfamiliar to humans.
- Christa Rentz turns out to be Historia Reiss, who knows stuff about the wall, through her family of noble origin and its connection to the Wall Worshipers sect, currently lead by Pastor Nick.
- Reiner and Bertholdt kidnap Eren and Ymir.
- Reiner and Bertholdt try to convince Eren and Ymir to join their side.
- The Beast Titan is implied to be a mid-boss or possibly final boss.
- Ymir agrees in exchange for the assurance of Christa's future.
- Ymir reveals that she was a Titan for 60 years, with no memory of what she was doing all those times.
- Ymir kidnaps Christa.
Dr. Yaeger already knew about wall maria falling before it actually happened
(year 844 he knew this. This is also the year they rescued Mikasa).
He injected Eren with the Titan serum so Eren could protect everyone and recapture the wall, but Eren didnt know how to activate his powers at that age (9 years old)
Eren was always a human. He was turned into a titan the moment Dr. Yaegar gave him the serum. Eren did start of with Titan powers in the first chapter, he just didnt know how to use them. Let alone did he know he was injected with the powers. The serum Dr. Yaeger gave him caused him to suffer some memory loss. The Titans never attacked the wall maria until the year 845. If Eren was killing people before that he would of had to leave outside of town or he would of been noticed and killed in the year 844-- the moment he got his powers.
That is the answer to all the people saying Eren was killing people as a Titan before he knew he had Titan abilities
2.)
Bertl and Reiner are older than they appear just like Ymir. They might be older than Ymir because the manga talked about how sad Bertl and Reiner was when Ymir ate their comrade
(Ymir had no idea what she was doing those 60 years back)
Before I comment on this, I would like you to know that I am going based of the anime because I did not read the earlier chapters of Shingeki no Kyojin.
First, you say that Dr. Jaegar knew the wall would fall before it happened, but after the wall fell, he is seen on horseback saying "Carla, Eren, please be okay!' while crying. If he knew the wall would fall, he likely would have taken extra precautions to ensure their safety if he was so worried about them. Second, you state that Eren was injected with the serum prior to the wall falling , but when Eren is forcibly being given the serum he is saying something along the lines of "Dad! What are you doing? You have been acting weird ever since mom died!" This means he wasn't given the serum until after his mother had been eated. Another thing that supports this claim is that Dr. Jaegar is show leaving the house with the key right before the titans attack, but when he gives Eren the Serum, he also gives him the key. So Eren did not get his titan powers until after the wall fell.
Thanks guys for the timeline explanations, they're really helpful. My initial thoughts and beliefs about the titans are once again turned upside down.
I loved Ymir in this chapter, can't want for the next one!
Yeah the novel seems to have some details about the early history of this series.
Like with the "Titan's child" Kyklo who is basically like Naruto and the other dood who invented the 3DMG.
Too bad I can't read it cause I have poor Japanese. :(