| According to the official website, the releases of Girls und Panzer Blu-rays except for the first volume will be postponed one month due to the delay in the production of the Blu-ray-only OVAs. The producer explained that the quality of the second episode of the OVA would be unsatisfactory if it were released as scheduled. Source: Girls und Panzer official website |
dtshykNov 29, 2012 5:28 PM
| It's nice to see a studio caring about quality so much. I guess the success of GuP surprised them and now they feel obligated to set the bar higher than planned. Good luck! |
| What are the sales even looking like for them? lol. Prob horrid. |
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| @Tyrel One of probably best selling show this season - I don't know exact numbers heard about 15k but it's doing great. But "producer explained that the quality of the second episode of the OVA would be unsatisfactory if it were released as scheduled" - this is great attitude towards viewers :) I can wait - will be ordering it and it will take time to have it delivered but it's worth of it. |
Tyrel said: Unless next 3 episodes of Chuuni will be even better than 09, GuP is going to be the best selling anime of Fall 2012 season.What are the sales even looking like for them? lol. Prob horrid. One good thing coming from the delay - there shouldn't be any problems with stock, they'll be able to produce those 15k BDs. |
Tyrel said: What are the sales even looking like for them? lol. Prob horrid. Girls und Panzer Bluray v1 has 8831 preorders. That makes it the top selling show this season, probably. It is predicted to end up with about 15k preorders. In comparison, Chuuni only has 6400 preorders. It is expected to get around 8500 preorders. tl;dr You could not be anymore wrong. |
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bippo said: Panzer is not seen anywhere but on amazon. So I think Chuuni will still outsell Panzer but will may not be the top seller because Gintama and fujoshi. Not really. GirlPan is on top of chart in Tora no Ana and reports by fans is that it is also holding top places in Gamers too. Amazon may overestimate the sales for GirlPan but I believe GirlPan will outsell Chunibyo. For now the top 4 bestselling anime this season seems to be GirlPan, Chunibyo, Gintama and JoJo but there is still chance for ToLoveRu D or Little Busters to make it into the list. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I honestly don't see how it's getting Top sales IMO. There are lots of better Fall shows this season, but GnP? Really? Lol. It's an okay show, but definitely not a Blu-Ray show I'd buy. JAPAN WHY. |
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| It has good animation, marketing and characters. Not to mention it appeals to both the regular moe otaku and the military otaku. It's also more marketable towards a wider consumer base because it isn't centered around fanservice (unlike other military+moe shows, such as Strike Witches and Upotte). If only Japan saw Sora no Woto in the same way... ah, well. |
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| @Amarrez It has good animation, marketing and characters. Not to mention it appeals to both the regular moe otaku and the military otaku. It's also more marketable towards a wider consumer base because it isn't centered around fanservice (unlike other military+moe shows, such as Strike Witches and Upotte). If only Japan saw Sora no Woto in the same way... ah, well. Yeah I guess you're right. I was just looking at MAL Scores and going uhm, but of course this is MAL. You can't take scores that seriously here and Everywhere else =/= Japan fanbase. |
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| Yeah... I usually take MAL scores with a pinch of salt, especially considering that shows like SAO and Code Geass R2 are rated so highly. The only anime consumer base that matters is the Japanese one. |
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| ^ military otaku? I guess I learn something everyday :D |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Siva said: ^ military otaku? I guess I learn something everyday :D Otaku doesn't purely refer to anime afficionados, you know. You can be an otaku in regards to anything hobbywise really. For example, in Japan (and all around the world, I guess) there are a lot of what you could call "train otaku". |
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| Prioritizing quality sounds good. Let's just hope this doesn't affect the sales. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Tyrel said: What are the sales even looking like for them? lol. Prob horrid. I bet you saw the score on MAL and immediately came to that conclusion. |
| Prioritizing quality sounds good. Let's just hope this doesn't affect the sales. ---- If anything, it would probably increase the scores as we see them, as more of the sales, at least for volume 2, would be in pre-orders, making it more frontloaded, and thus we see more of the sales. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Tyrel said: I honestly don't see how it's getting Top sales IMO. There are lots of better Fall shows this season, but GnP? Really? Lol. It's an okay show, but definitely not a Blu-Ray show I'd buy. JAPAN WHY. First nobody, even in Japan, expected GnP to have anything more than mediocre sales. The consensus figure just before the anime started was 3500, not 13500. The character design looks old fashioned; the story seems to be all girl slice-of-life with tanks tagged on; the anime studio is a minor one which almost always does subcontractor works; the cast are mostly little known seiyuu. The fact that it has become the talk of town, with expectation that it will be the TOP selling anime this season, and generated so much buzz (the recent Anko Festival in the country town Ooarai, that featured so much in ep.4, reported almost TRIPLE the attendance to almost 70,000 people this year compared to last year) with only original contents speaks volume that its success is hard earned not because of marketing hype or pre-existing fan base. I think one review written by a casual anime fan in Amazon Japan (who also said he is not into moe stuff) gave a very good summary of the reasons. It is long so I won't translate everything. But basically : - The girls are not just cute (in fact many think that the character design is old school so did not expect the moe factor would be much effective but now many came to see them cute which is actually an indication that it is the actions in the anime that got the fans to see them as adorable), but there is good effort at looking into the characters and how they interact and bond together. Friendship and bonding may look a bit shounen but works like magic in the all-girl cast in GnP too. - There is no fanservice whatsoever and they do not hold back from spending some time to shed lights on the adults even though it has such an enormous cast of high school girls. - It shows a veritable respect for the Japanese tradition of turning deadly martial combat into sports that train people's heart and mind. Senshado is no different from the Japanese art of Judo, Kendo, Archery, or Nagimata-do (with the last one coming closest to Senshado as it is also a sports that is now female dominated but used to be a weapon used by Heian age soldiers which of course were all male). The deadly weapons are now turned into a tool for sports in which injury may occur but people do not generally expected to die in it. There is a concept of peace not war in it and there are just enough elements introduced to make the suspension of disbelief possible. More importantly, the girls are not in just for fun or to make antics, but seriously work hard to compete. It is just like a shounen sports series or old-time sports TV drama updated. - The tanks design and animation is done very very very well. In almost all aspects it got the static picture as well as the motion (how fast the turret turns, how the suspension system in the track runs, or even how the girls should hold or load the shells) done correctly. This is something entirely unexpected and goes beyond the wildest dream for the military fans. The animation in the tank battles, like the one inside the Ooarai town in ep.4, is thrillingly made for example. - Despite the point above, it does not need any advance knowledge about military for someone to enjoy. In fact it is a great fun for a military novice to learn about tanks from the anime. The 2ch discussion has a very large portion made up of discussions and interactions between the usual anime fans and the military fans. - There are so many trivia planted throughout the anime that you can find references about military history or WWII themes here and there (symbv: this is true because I watched ep.4 SEVEN TIMES just to pick up the various references) - And it is just fun to watch. While they put in a lot of efforts to depict many things impressively, they also put in a bunch of elements just to get you to smile or laugh about it: the gigantic carrier, the smashing of tanks into a restaurant etc etc (and they even give some explanation about it in the show or in Twitter). The humor of the staff is truly present there. Personally I also did not start with much expectation but it just drew me in deeper and deeper as it goes on, and now it surely became one of the top shows for me in this season. This is a success story that is due to creativity and effort as well as love and respect, that fans can feel when they watch the show. This is why the anime made it when nobody expected it at the beginning. JAPAN WHY? Because enough fans pay attention. |
symbvNov 29, 2012 9:01 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: @Tyrel Panzer is one of those shows that are easy to follow and great for tank and war hobbyists because of accuracy of tank information and war references. Think of it like Saki. You can be the most clueless person in mahjong but still find it enjoyable because its a tournament and everybody knows how tournaments work, but at the same time mahjong addicts can relate as well. And be sure to always take the scores and reviews in the list with a grain of salt. It was accurate during the old days of mal but definitely not now. Saki is the closest comparison for GnP. In fact I made that analogy earlier as well, but now I noticed there is a very major difference: You cannot really learn about Mahjong by watching Saki but you can actually learn about WWII Tanks with GnP. While I do not have any statistics, I have a feeling that the proportion of hardcore military fans in GnP watchers is higher than that of hardcore mahjong fans in Saki watchers. Also, in terms of appeal, Saki also has one big difference compared to GnP: One big pull for Saki is its yuri element which is notably absent in GnP (at least so far). This is actually quoted as one strength for GnP by many, as it seems while Yuri can draw in yuri fans to many it is a repulsive factor. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Saki is the closest comparison for GnP. In fact I made that analogy earlier as well, but now I noticed there is a very major difference: You cannot really learn about Mahjong by watching Saki but you can actually learn about WWII Tanks with GnP. While I do not have any statistics, I have a feeling that the proportion of hardcore military fans in GnP watchers is higher than that of hardcore mahjong fans in Saki watchers. I would say that Strike Witches is more comparable: - same staff (with notable case of technical consultant - aka guy who included those historical references) - cute girls - good amount of action minus big drama - historical references - SW also had a lot of it, with ships, weapons to characters who were base of girls characters and some events Sure SW flooded it with fanservice and pants, which is not the case here - but they are doing similar good work here. I don't get that Saki thing as base on which it's build is different - one side it's just the game and one works more on history and is more grounded in reality. Ok girls riding tanks is a bit weird concept but plausible and they don't bend reality or travel in time while playing game ;) |
Dalek-bakaNov 29, 2012 7:23 AM
| @ Dalek-baka, you are quite right. Strike Witches is also very comparable. There is no wonder that fans in Japan now talk about the three "PAN": SutoPan (Suto=Sutoraiku=Strike, Pan is of course "pantsu" although the official wording from the anime is "it is not pantsu so no embarrassment!") which is the nickname for SW, GirlPan and ViviPan (Vivired Operation - Pan stands for "hot pants" here) which has SW staff in it as well. GirlPan stands out here because it is the only anime which actually has PAN in its name and the PAN does not stand for Pantsu :-) The funny thing is that originally I expected GirlPan to be a tank version of Saki or Strike Witches but it turned out to be something quite different, to my utter pleasant surprise ! :-) |
symbvNov 29, 2012 7:48 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
jmal said: I doubt yuri has any net negative effect - just look at Strike Witches for example. I think the keyword is "net" in "net negative effect". What I read among discussion in places like 2ch is that there are a significant number of fans who are not into yuri and even feel turned off by more explicit show of yuri action like kissing/fondling of female by female. To them, the presence of such elements can be sufficient reason for NOT buying the BD of the show. Since GirlPan is a show that is thorough in not providing fanservice and made serious effort at making the tanks and mecha appealing, it may be a wise decision for it to suppress any yuri element in the show (as yuri is a very tempting thing to do with such a big all-girl cast). What I would say is that yuri shows has its niche and the niche can be quite big, but it is a two-edge sword, having yuri elements can hurt sales in other fan sectors too. And the level of yuri also matters, I read that many fans of Yuru Yuri like it precisely because it has "just the right level of yuri and not something hardcore". So if YY has more explicit Yuri I can see real risk that its sales may drop. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Glad they're taking their time to make it better. This show has been a surprise hit so I wouldn't have it any other way! |
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IceBurn said: Tyrel said: What are the sales even looking like for them? lol. Prob horrid. I bet you saw the score on MAL and immediately came to that conclusion. No because the show isn't that interesting too me. I looked at score like as soon as I said that. @symbv Long wall of text. You didn't need to write me a report because of what I said. I really just didn't expect it to be top selling. |
TyrelNov 29, 2012 8:32 AM
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Tyrel said: @symbv Long wall of text. You didn't need to write me a report because of what I said. I really just didn't expect it to be top selling. It is not just for you but for anybody reading this thread and following the discussion. Besides I have already ABRIDGED the summary I read into points, so I don't think it is really a "wall of text" unless you are talking about a low wall. I guess if you had just said simply that you did not expect it to be top selling, I might have tried a little less hard, but your tone (" but GnP? Really? Lol.", "JAPAN WHY") seems to be a bit more dismissive of the worth and merits of the show as well as the industry and fans in Japan, so I guess I just put in some effort into explaining how it is appreciated by people who actually put in orders to buy the BD of this show. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| quality > quantity by postponing I just wished a few other particular animes did this as well on some on their OVAs (or even the episode(s) if possible Would probably mess up the sales though, so it's probably too much to ask for |
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symbv said: Tyrel said: @symbv Long wall of text. You didn't need to write me a report because of what I said. I really just didn't expect it to be top selling. It is not just for you but for anybody reading this thread and following the discussion. Besides I have already ABRIDGED the summary I read into points, so I don't think it is really a "wall of text" unless you are talking about a low wall. I guess if you had just said simply that you did not expect it to be top selling, I might have tried a little less hard, but your tone (" but GnP? Really? Lol.", "JAPAN WHY") seems to be a bit more dismissive of the worth and merits of the show as well as the industry and fans in Japan, so I guess I just put in some effort into explaining how it is appreciated by people who actually put in orders to buy the BD of this show. @Symbv > Lmao. @Both of you > Not complaining, as much as being bashed at because I said "JAPAN WHY." Am I not allowed to express that it's not the greatest show or what here? and Ofc I'm going to say "GnP? Really? lol" It's not the greatest show that I think should deserve more buyers, plenty of better ones out there. Again this was my opinion. |
TyrelNov 29, 2012 11:39 AM
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| @Dalek-baka, on the other hand, both GuP and Saki are sports anime while Strike Witches is about saving the world (even if they don't take it too seriously 90% of the time, there is still that 10%). When it comes to plot style - tournament - and (lack of) drama, GuP is much more similar to Saki than Strike Witches. Mix of both with no yuri and fanservice (as in ecchi meaning because there's plenty of military fanservice). Personally I refer to GuP as Saki combined with World of Tanks, battles in the anime give off really similar feeling to the game. I'm sure at least part of staff plays and loves it. |
Tyrel said: Not complaining, as much as being bashed at because I said "JAPAN WHY." Am I not allowed to express that it's not the greatest show or what here? and Ofc I'm going to say "GnP? Really? lol" It's not the greatest show that I think should deserve more buyers, plenty of better ones out there. Again this was my opinion. I don't see how my post can be classified as you being bashed at. Your "JAPAN WHY" with all those capitalization just seems to be a big shout to ask why on earth should this show be top-selling out of all the other possible candidates this season, so I proceed to explain why and in fact I went the length by producing an account from a person in Japan who actually pays money to buy the BDs (thus contributing to the high rank of GnP in Amazon stalker chart). Anyway, all I want to say is that your wording in your original post just does not seem to be saying the same thing as simply "it's not the greatest show". And by the way, you are not even disallowed to say a snarky "JAPAN WHY" here, but if you so choose to phrase your opinion that way, then I guess you should not be surprised to see people react to it a bit differently from a plain statement of personal opinion. |
symbvNov 29, 2012 11:30 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| That's a good decision. Good things come to those who wait. |
| @symbv ...? My original post: "There are lots of better Fall shows this season, but GnP? Really? Lol. It's an okay show, but definitely not a Blu-Ray show I'd buy." You: "Anyway, all I want to say is that your wording in your original post just does not seem to be saying the same thing as simply "it's not the greatest show". Uh what? |
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| ^ What I mean is that is: saying "it is not the greatest show" is not the same as saying "there are lots of better Fall shows this season, but GnP? Really? Lol." or "JAPAN WHY". The tone is different. I sense snarky and dismissive tone in the latter but not in the former. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ^ What I mean is that is: saying "it is not the greatest show" is not the same as saying "there are lots of better Fall shows this season, but GnP? Really? Lol." or "JAPAN WHY". The tone is different. I sense snarky and dismissive tone in the latter but not in the former. Lol. I see, well I didn't mean it totally in that tone, but I guess it can interpret into that kind of tone more. Anyways oh well. |
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| Looks like this announcement has helped GirlPan get into the top 5 among all videos on Amazon for the first time. 2nd volume has passed Gundam Unicorn in the rankings too. |
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| And there I was, thinking that Chuuni might finally get closer to GuP... |
RyanSaotome said: Looks like this announcement has helped GirlPan get into the top 5 among all videos on Amazon for the first time. 2nd volume has passed Gundam Unicorn in the rankings too. Currently 1 & 2 are 1& 2 in the anime rankings and 1 is 5 in all DVD. Cool snowball effect. |
| If they're brushing up the quality, then I can wait. I'm glad that they've postponed it to focus on this and I look forward to seeing it when it's out. |
As it turns out, living was a punishment...  |
| lol, thats fine theyve for a show that i would have taken as a joke, theyve done a pretty good job |
     "If only if only, the woodpecker cried, the bark on the tree was as soft as the sky" || ♪My mind, heart is broken♫ |
Minene-sama said: One thing that I want to qualify everyone's expectation is that what the announcement said, which is also reiterated later by the director, is that the delay is mainly caused by the need to make the OVA for each BD volume. So the extra month will be mainly taken up to make the extra OVA that will be bundled in the BD volume. They may also brush up the quality of the TV series itself, but it should constitute only a small part of extra month they are going to take.If they're brushing up the quality, then I can wait. I'm glad that they've postponed it to focus on this and I look forward to seeing it when it's out. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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