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Aug 23, 2012 12:49 PM
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Raw is out.

Hmm, average episode as Naru returns again acting strange as usual. Also, fun photo shooting with cowboy hats and some mecha combat even involving the military.

Pfft Ao, you don't have the balls to shoot Truth with that weapon this time around.
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Noticed the OP was edited as well to show the space team instead of the team that vanished.
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Some supporting what the main guy said... the world that not existing... with Truth? Because Secret and Quart something affected it. That's the power Truth wants?!

Piedpiper in manga? lol~

It's nice that those people that "disappeared" exist, and lives peacefully.

This time the main guy got that thing again but didn't use it. He's now a dangerous person in the world.

Looks like K will replace AO at the same timeslot when it ends.
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Stark700 said:
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Does Truth shave his armpits?
Aug 23, 2012 6:05 PM
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Does Truth shave his armpits?

I think so.
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7 more episodes to go D:
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Does Truth shave his armpits?


LOL~
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Aug 24, 2012 12:35 AM
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Did you notice an empty hole on a console, (in the previous episode) when Fleur tried to activate the third engine? It looks like a place for compact drive, and quartz seems to be the raw material for compact drive body.
There are no subs yet (for this episode), but so far, this show looks like preparation for another 25 episodes...
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but so far, this show looks like preparation for another 25 episodes...


I've been thinking the same. This still doesn't feel like it is ending. And really, I don't think they can stuff the ending, renton's world and all that stuff in 6-7 episodes...

Welp even if they do it, it's gonna feel rushed I think. We'll see.

I'd be happy for a second season D:
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GG said translator is busy... so their will be delays on subbing this episode T_T

i have to be contented with the spoilers for now
Aug 24, 2012 7:17 AM
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Hadena has subs up.
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So the sloth is Renton yeah?
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More pieces are finally coming together. I kind of wanted Ao to shoot so we could see what would change next.
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Hadena has subs up.
He has rather interesting taste in moths and other bugs so this is plausible.

And that Eureka's vacation... go to another dimension, live there for some time and being back after a week. I want something like this :D

Interesting was what Elena said - that she understands what is happening. So she's either drop from another world (like Truth) or she might be that daughter, she had that vision with Eureka, Gekko and all that stuff.
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Episode was... alright, though nothing to run home, about - seemed to be a typical expository episode, but feel they could have been a little more creative about it; shoehorning in Elena and Fleur's PR activities seemed out of place, considering the circumstances in the episode.

Anyways, this episode confirms a LOT of speculations that have been going on, and gave us a much-needed mother-son moment between Ao and Eureka (finally, mutual understanding and recognition!). As for Truth, I'm finally getting really interested in his back-story, and how he (presumably) relates to PoP's timeline; half of the reason I've found him lacking as a protagonist is because knowing or even speculating his motives are goddamn maddening - we just know that he's in bed with Johanson's teachings and ideologies, and that he wants to presumably set the timeline back to the way it originally was. What we know about his character, however? Zilch; no one can know, given the information thus far.

I can now say, however, that I'm liking where this series is going; ths episode gave us a clear sense of direction that the series has desperately needed. Given how much time we have left, I can only PRAY we get an S2, as this series would benefit massively from it. As for next week specifically, it looks... interesting.

Lack of narration? Rapidly transitioning scenes? Four times the Noah?

It's safe to say that some serious shit's going down (if the episode title didn't make it any more blatant).
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This guy ought to die.
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This episode is made in the way I've always wanted the show to be.

Engaging, developing and a very good pacing. (the faces looked rather derpy at times though)

Also, that preview was a troll. Noah grabbing popco- candy and flashing by every second? I think we're in for some drama.
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So the sloth is Renton yeah?


Maybe he is!
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Finally a lot of the questions/theories people have been having have been answered/confirmed/shotdown. I'm happy they finally decided to give us some more info, something big must happen next episode, since they don't want to ruin the surprise obviously
Aug 24, 2012 12:23 PM

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Aww they didnt have the girls voice reciting the preview, I love it when she reads the title in Engrish.
Aug 24, 2012 12:28 PM
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So we now we know when eureka activated the quartz naru was one of the ones affected and it changed the timeline, and we know what the johanson book is about. Im guessing once ao meets up with renton, they'll pit there knowledge together and save eurkea.
8/10 episode
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All this with different timelines and trying to "fix" it and get to the right one reminds me so much of stiens;gate lol. Nice to see team pied piper are living happy lives.

So the original Eureka Seven would be considered a different timeline right? And Renton, Eureka, and AO are all seperated? Thats sad :P

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I'm angry.
They are messing everything together and make us people, who are watching a history of parallel reality, while they are reading about us:) Original move.
Well, now the show is on the point when it has only 2 ways:
1. Total disaster. They will ruin all E7 world while trying to create something different instead (based on Johanson's book).
2. Total win (preferable option). Everything will merge, to the delight of new and old fans and, maybe, will prepare us for 2-nd AO season.

There is no 3-rd way, because even "it was OK" means FAIL...

There was also a book in original E7, remember?

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I still think that perfect sequel should have started with something like this:

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truth so douchey. crappy preview
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I'm angry.
They are messing everything together and make us people, who are watching a history of parallel reality, while they are reading about us:) Original move.
Well, now the show is on the point when it has only 2 ways:
1. Total disaster. They will ruin all E7 world while trying to create something different instead (based on Johanson's book).
2. Total win (preferable option). Everything will merge, to the delight of new and old fans and, maybe, will prepare us for 2-nd AO season.

There is no 3-rd way, because even "it was OK" means FAIL...

There was also a book in original E7, remember?

P.S.
I still think that perfect sequel should have started with something like this:



But if they started from that "perfect sequel" what would it even be about? Everything was all solved in Eureka seven and even the romance got sorted out. What do you want, a new antagonist brought out of no where? There wasnt really a good way to continue the original Eureka seven after being wrapped up so well, unless you want them to make some sort of slice of life/sci-fi thing, but then that wouldn't really be Eureka Sevens style, now would it?
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Just realized something. If they "fix" the timeline, does it make it so the scub coral never covers the earth? Which means Eureka Sevens story line would never happen? Which means Eureka would never have existed.. which means Renton would have never met her.. which means Ao wouldn't have been born.. which means he wouldn't have stopped the scub.. which means everything would have happened and he would have been born.. which means he would stop it.. arg, my brain hurts @_@

On the other hand we dont really know if he does/should stop the scub in the first place, or Im just too confused to make sense of it all.

Can someone clarify, is whats going on in Eureka Seven AO a different timeline, a different universe, the past, or a different timeline of the past?

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It would bring to the same AO story. Basically they are doing it now.

Actually there were a lot of unanswered questions in the E7 (the last episode left much to think about) and story could go on about getting all - corals and human together. For sure it would be much harder but I believe it was possible. BONES took the easy way - something new/different/games_with_time.

And, yes it could be placed in the middle of the AO or maybe in the end...
It is my personal wish only, and it is natural to have different opinion:)
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Imba; Renton appears next episode.
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It would bring to the same AO story. Basically they are doing it now.

Actually there were a lot of unanswered questions in the E7 (the last episode left much to think about) and story could go on about getting all - corals and human together. For sure it would be much harder but I believe it was possible. BONES took the easy way - something new/different/games_with_time.

And, yes it could be placed in the middle of the AO or maybe in the end...
It is my personal wish only, and it is natural to have different opinion:)


BONES took a harder way actually as a more direct sequel would be less risky than AO is. Changing the entire cast and storytelling style is a risky business and something fanboys usually don't like.
Storytelling-wise, this option is also harder: AO brought in a lot of stuff not present in E7 and now they need to make a story from it AND connect it with E7.

Why did they choose Ao instead of E7 II can be argued. Personally I think they cared more about doing something they found interesting than to just make money or pamper to the fans.
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BONES took a harder way actually as a more direct sequel would be less risky than AO is. Changing the entire cast and storytelling style is a risky business and something fanboys usually don't like.
Storytelling-wise, this option is also harder: AO brought in a lot of stuff not present in E7 and now they need to make a story from it AND connect it with E7.

Why did they choose Ao instead of E7 II can be argued. Personally I think they cared more about doing something they found interesting than to just make money or pamper to the fans.


Well I to be honest, BONES act much better than GAINAX with "Evangelion", for example, because they actually trying to do something. But...
You can be sure that putting the sequel, the E7II way would be much more risky.
Changing whole world and adding some extraordinary weapons/dimensions is easier, than dealing with direct sequel, where everyone would expect to see so many characters from the past with their children, friends, lifestyle.
Creating a screenplay which would deal with all changes that happened and developing relationships of the old cast, would be much harder (I think) than just putting a couple of old characters to a new ground and linking them with Ao.
Current world gives much more freedom to write any screenplay they want.

Also, in my opinion E7Ao is a kind of simplified/shorten/cut E7. Lets call it E7 lights.
For sure, points of view are different.
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I think if they make ao and somehow answer questions raised at the end of e7 fans would be happy but i see no way they could pull it off because ao is such a different story and theme. So i guess we have to stick with a simple sequal.
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For me this is still awesome show and mystery and i want to know how bones will deal with the ending
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I'm so confused, sigh. Could anyone kindly do a tl;dr of what is happening? Eureka caused a burst and then it caused timelime chaos?!
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Dang, a bit confusing, but answers questions. The Quartz Gun has the ability to change, or merge the 2 worlds, Renton has been looking for it, but right now its incomplete. This also gave me a new idea, if Truth is Johanson's son, & he maybe from that other world, Johanson used Truth & gave birth to the Secret, which became arch-enemies with the Scub Coral somewhere in the past, after their war, they had to go to another battlefield, in short, Ao's time! So far that is all for my theory.
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im glad all those speculation about time leap to change history are all true... i bet people who are confuse here about the time/space warping phenomenon that is done by the Quartz Gun did not watch Steins;Gate
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So here are my thoughts again about the time travel and timelines/dimensions.
Timeline 1: Eureka 7.
Timeline 2: AO.
Timeline 2.1: AO 10s before Timeline 2.
Timeline 3: Eureka's timeline, technically where she is lost in according to Episode 17.
Timeline 4: AO after he uses the cannon in Episode 16.

Eureka leaves Timeline 1 thru an experiment with Renton that went wrong inside the Gekko along with the Nirvash typeZERO Spec 2.

Eureka arrives in Timeline 2 shown in episode 12 inside the Gekko.

Eureka leaves Timeline 2 and is grabbed by a odd looking broken Nirvash, which may be the Nirvash Mark I Renton is building.

(Something here happens. not sure if she manages to go to Timeline 1 OR goes to Timeline 2.1 and the unfinished Nirvash Mark I gets built thanks for the Coral Burst or something) For the sake of making sense, I will assume the Coral finished building it or something like that.

Eureka arrives in Timeline 2.1 but is dropped off in the air by a Nirvash Mark I.

Eureka leaves Timeline 2.1 and goes into Timeline 3 mentioned in Episode 17. Its a long time for everyone else but only days for her.

Conclusion: Shes stuck and got no Nirvash. We don't know what kind of a Timeline she is...coral burst? idk.
Only two things I can think that puts a hole in my story is..In episode 14, she said its a girl and that unfinished Nirvash Mark I.

Now for AO...
AO doesn't go into different timeline, he actually changes his current timeline by erasing it from history.
So if that is correct along with what Eureka said in Episode 17 (Renton was looking for it and something about something not being complete)
Why does Renton needs to complete the cannon (I am assuming that's what they were talking about).
Does the cannon have other functions?

I mean Episode 13 said they were both researching why Coral disappeared so maybe when the cannon shots, it brings it back to Timeline 1? Who knows..

=)

ps. After reading what other people posted about merging Timelines..maybe thats you guys are right it. That would be epic if they all merge..hehe
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Wait a second... Ao has reading Steiner!

Mind=blown

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OMG they can't finish this in 24 Episodes if they did then it would not be going at the pace it is now i think they will make a season 2.
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So here are my thoughts again about the time travel and timelines/dimensions.
Timeline 1: Eureka 7.
Timeline 2: AO.
Timeline 2.1: AO 10s before Timeline 2.
Timeline 3: Eureka's timeline, technically where she is lost in according to Episode 17.
Timeline 4: AO after he uses the cannon in Episode 16.

Eureka leaves Timeline 1 thru an experiment with Renton that went wrong inside the Gekko along with the Nirvash typeZERO Spec 2.

Eureka arrives in Timeline 2 shown in episode 12 inside the Gekko.

Eureka leaves Timeline 2 and is grabbed by a odd looking broken Nirvash, which may be the Nirvash Mark I Renton is building.

(Something here happens. not sure if she manages to go to Timeline 1 OR goes to Timeline 2.1 and the unfinished Nirvash Mark I gets built thanks for the Coral Burst or something) For the sake of making sense, I will assume the Coral finished building it or something like that.

Eureka arrives in Timeline 2.1 but is dropped off in the air by a Nirvash Mark I.

Eureka leaves Timeline 2.1 and goes into Timeline 3 mentioned in Episode 17. Its a long time for everyone else but only days for her.

Conclusion: Shes stuck and got no Nirvash. We don't know what kind of a Timeline she is...coral burst? idk.
Only two things I can think that puts a hole in my story is..In episode 14, she said its a girl and that unfinished Nirvash Mark I.

Now for AO...
AO doesn't go into different timeline, he actually changes his current timeline by erasing it from history.
So if that is correct along with what Eureka said in Episode 17 (Renton was looking for it and something about something not being complete)
Why does Renton needs to complete the cannon (I am assuming that's what they were talking about).
Does the cannon have other functions?

I mean Episode 13 said they were both researching why Coral disappeared so maybe when the cannon shots, it brings it back to Timeline 1? Who knows..

=)

ps. After reading what other people posted about merging Timelines..maybe thats you guys are right it. That would be epic if they all merge..hehe
So maybe if renton completes the cannon it will have the power to restore the timelines
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So maybe if renton completes the cannon it will have the power to restore the timelines


Ugu and then all the story will be possible to end up with one shoot and 15 seconds of visual effects, and fit in 24 episodes...
Basically in that case they would fit in one episode also:)
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Hey this may be out of episode 17 but has any1 noticed that in the opening of this 2nd season that has Ao and Eureka and some guy at the left side facing backwards, could that guy be Renton?
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Hey this may be out of episode 17 but has any1 noticed that in the opening of this 2nd season that has Ao and Eureka and some guy at the left side facing backwards, could that guy be Renton?
kinda late to the party good sir

as for the episode it was interesting might have to rewatch it with better subs if anything but the way things are going i feel as though this is just the start.
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I really cant wait to learn what truth is all about, this show just grows in depth with every episode.
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Hey this may be out of episode 17 but has any1 noticed that in the opening of this 2nd season that has Ao and Eureka and some guy at the left side facing backwards, could that guy be Renton?


Trust me, everones noticed, and everyones said that. lol. Idk if its Renton, it could very well be, but he just doesnt feel Like Renton unless some things have changed IMO, but who knows

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Oh snap. To say I’ve been less then impressed with these last few episodes would be a tiny bit of an understatement, but this ep just pulled me right back in. Which kind of terrifies me because we're getting pretty close to the end. There is a lot being set up right now. A lot of really cool stuff that if, not done right could end up being pretty disappointing. This episode has brought back a sense of security of the quality we were getting prior a few eps ago, so as long as that keeps up, I’m not going to doubt there ability to end this(or set up for another 25 episodes maybe?)

So first off, the thread from last week was answered, it looks like this is an alternate time line, and that this has been happening because of all the quartz that Eureka disappeared with 10 years earlier. She took the quartz dropped it off from the year 1910, to now and is now stuck outside of time, unable to come back. The girls all do exist(although what is Maggie’s fate exactly is unknown) Which is good, no one wanted any of them to be dead. In the op they were replaced with Harlequin.
I'm really hoping Renton DOESN'T show up. I hated him in the first series and while I’m sure he's gotten more bad ass(I mean building a new prototype LFO is kinda awesome.) Having eureka is more then enough, so I’m hoping they'll pull another Rentons dad and only have a short thing with him in it.

So pretty obvious now, Truth is the boy that Johansson found, but that does not answer how he has powers. If his goal is to erase the Scub coral, he could do so easily with this new gun, but I still just don't understand what the balls is up with this guy. It's nice to know what Johansson has been writing this whole time. For so long all we've gotten was just people talking about the book but not what was in it. So now that we know that alt time lines are involved things get a little more clear(complicated.)

The secret is still in control of Georg and no one seems to be worried about the fact that it was able to access the system so easily and they didn't check to make sure it still wasn’t connected. No one wants to check the high tech VI that's connected to all the pilots, IFOs, The ship systems and all things Generation Bleu, and make sure that something that may or may not be there enemy is in control of all of there systems.

The preview for next week has no Voice over! which made me sad. And it was pretty much just Noah eating Candy with other scenes thrown in, so I really don't know what I’m looking to, but I am looking forward to it.
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Hey this may be out of episode 17 but has any1 noticed that in the opening of this 2nd season that has Ao and Eureka and some guy at the left side facing backwards, could that guy be Renton?

It's not Renton, it's Galactic Pretty Boy.

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Interesting ep and ost is pure epicness.
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Aww they didnt have the girls voice reciting the preview, I love it when she reads the title in Engrish.

Yea I wonder why they didnt have her in the preview, love when she reads dat Engrish.

I enjoyed this episode. So Ao is no longer part of Generation Blu now and now part of the Alliance Forces.
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