Blenjar said: When I say Nirvash type or something, I mean the Coralians, Aliens, etc. From my understanding of the end of E7: Nirvash stated somewhere along the lines of taking half of his kind (my assumption is excluding real humans) to another world. (also Gonzy mentions it) I believe this universe was mentioned in Episode 47 by Ranton's sister. "3,000 years ago, the scub coral experienced the Question Limitation once...they evaded the situation then by forcing themselves into hibernation. Later, they learned that another universe existed on the other side of the tear in our universe" Now in regards to Eureka is that trip #1 and #2: Her FIRST travel back was an accident..which she explained in EP 13 but she doesn't know anyone in EP 13 but people claim they have seen her in the past therefore I can safely assume that she did a second trip again (along being pregnant with a boy this time aka AO) So why is Quartz so important to the point where Eureka helps the Humans about it? idk Correct me I am wrong on any of these. Thanks You're pretty much correct in everything you said. Funnily enough, I also caught what Diane said in episode 47 in my recent re-watch. The biggest pressing questions at this moment are the nature of quartz and the Secrets; I have a feeling we're going to find out what quartz is all about next episode, though it's obviously what's created the next energy revolution on (modern) Earth. |
DangerrAug 6, 2012 11:42 PM
Blenjar said: I thought so and thanks for reading it. I also came to a conclusion that maybe Truth is the Secrets that happened 10 years ago. As you can see in Episode 13 around 14:00-15:00, the Secrets covered itself with the Coral pink. That might have evolved that particular Secrets to our Truth kid and later discovered by the PhD dude that studied him. About Nora's sickness, it can be anything from her being too close to the light therefore being affected with its wonderful dust. Now with Truth around, he did what he did..maybe he knew about her condition. Thanks Anyway I think Truth is THAT particular Secret and he might had been the one that stood in front of Truth...similar to how Naru helped AO in space using the Corals. Anyway thats just my speculation. Yeah, that's generally the accepted theory, at the moment. What's truly mysterious is his motives; he seemingly supports both Naru and Nakamura, both of whom are at direct odds to each other, one supporting the existence of the Scubs, and the other supporting the Secrets (seemingly). Granted, it also appears Truth and Nakamura's relationship seems tenuous at best, and it's likely that Truth is just using him. My theory on Truth: He's mentioned that the world is "erroneous" on more than one occasion, and I'm starting to formulate a theory as to why. Ten-thousand years in the future, after the Second Summer of Love, Scubs have started to "burst" themselves into the past, and possibly even further in the future. Whether this is intentional has yet to be seen, but consequently, it's going to either "damage" the current timeline, or create "new" timelines altogether, independent of the original (for the sake of simplicity, "alternate universes"). Going with the former theory, we could be facing a scenario possibly similar to that of the Limit of Questions; too much changes to the past and future could cause temporal "ruptures" (something akin to an event in Dr. Who, being the Time Wars, if you're familiar). Though it might not result in a universal singularity that the Limit of Questions might entail, it still may lead to the destruction of space and time as we know it, possibly as an opposite reaction, or something akin to the "Big Rip" (another thing to wiki, if you aren't familiar). To get to the point, if Truth is indeed a being that was created as a secret, but also assimilated into the Scub, it's entirely possible that he's come to share their motives, or even create his own motives that comes from the perspective of knowing the nature behind both Scubs and Secrets. If he subscribes to the prior theory, being that of timeline "damage", then it's likely he wants to "heal" the timeline to the greatest ability that he can; which entails the Scub Coral consumption of everything on Earth, and the exodus of humanity. The problem here, however, is that all of these Scubs seemingly hail from the future, and likely have a completely different perspective than that of the primordial Scub Coral, that knew nothing more of communication than that of relentless assimilation - how they would be persuaded to do what they regretted most seems kind of unbelievable. While I abhor Truth's methodology and amorality, I believe he may have the best interests at heart regarding the greater picture here. Either that, or he's batshit-insane. Bottom line: Truth, along with Secrets and the quartz are a pretty big mystery - we can speculate all we want, but only time will tell what's up with them. |
DangerrAug 7, 2012 4:42 AM
| Cue another crackpot theory about events to come: Naru has Scub Coral continuously growing inside of her, changing her not only mentally, as she transitions more into a Coralian-being, but also seemingly physically, starting with her “horns”. Her form changes so drastically over time, that she has effectively become what we call an “archetype”. Given that the Nirvash is essentially the avatar of the Scub Coral, a vessel that bridges the gap between Humanity and Coralians, it seems fitting that such a being was born from similar origins, as a human who has taken the Scub Coral unto her own, physical self. This finally explains the “humanoid” appearance of the archetypes, as they are all Scub-mutated humans who were left to incubate within its vast “crust” for thousands of years. Upon reaching this stage of mutation, they essentially forget their concept of “self”, or previous human identity, as they are effectively merged with the Scub Coral’s consciousness; such a theory would see other people becoming “infected”, or rather, “integrated” with the scub. It also explains Naru’s inherent ability to pilot the Nirvash, as they’re essentially the same being; synchronization with the unit could likely exceed that of Renton and Eureka even with the Amita drive, in this case; she becomes the compac drive. Also: Truth refers to himself as owning the Nirvash, spouting the line: “Don’t you mean *my* Nirvash?”. It’s likely that he sees Naru as a possession of sorts, and by proxy, the Nirvash; a tool to further his own goals. Conversely, the Nirvash in episode 14 abandons Eureka to confront Truth. Perhaps, Truth will do something to destroy Naru’s support for his cause in the immediate future, making him her mortal enemy. Granted, if Truth knew the true nature of the Nirvash (hurr), he would have reacted less confused in episode 14, so there's that detractor. Another problem with this particular idea is that he was likely speaking of the Mark I when he was talking about it as a possession, and not necessarily the TypeZERO. TL:DR -- "Naruvash". |
| My god your saying that Naru could be the Nirvash itself? Mind=Blown |
Supergrunt8 said: My god your saying that Naru could be the Nirvash itself? Mind=Blown Apparently, "Naru" also means "To become". Also, Naru's Coral-growth in her body looks suspiciously like the Nirvash's archetypal dual "cockpit", dontcha think?  |
| Sorry in advance (as do not want to hurt anyone), but these theories remind me And for the theories, we may say that there always was a "door" between 2 worlds/times, because a "zone with strange behavior which disobeys physical laws of our world" is mentioned in both series (by huge doctor, if I'm correct, in the original E7 and by Georg in AO). |
a_guestAug 7, 2012 3:29 PM
triforcebih said: I kinda cant see the coockpit or maybe I dont know what you really mean. Care to show me the light? If his theory is right then its because Naru hasn't fully developed in to the Nirvash yet, which obviously means that the two cockpits haven't been formed yet. The way the coral's infection is spreading suggest that it could form into it's dual cockpit as time goes on. (see pic) It seems outrageous once you think about it, but very interesting at the same time. (how do you come up with this stuff dangerr?) |
Supergrunt8 said: Would make sense to me if Naru was the Nirvash honestly.triforcebih said: I kinda cant see the coockpit or maybe I dont know what you really mean. Care to show me the light? If his theory is right then its because Naru hasn't fully developed in to the Nirvash yet, which obviously means that the two cockpits haven't been formed yet. The way the coral's infection is spreading suggest that it could form into it's dual cockpit as time goes on. (see pic) It seems outrageous once you think about it, but very interesting at the same time. (how do you come up with this stuff dangerr?) As for the Picture. . . I don't know what I am looking at. (I know what the picture is, I just don't know what I am suppose to be seeing. I guess I just don't know what the cockpit looks like) |
AnimaRO64Aug 7, 2012 6:01 PM
AnimaRO64 said: As for the Picture. . . I don't know what I am looking at. (I know what the picture is, I just don't know what I am suppose to be seeing. I guess I just don't know what the cockpit looks like) Since I no longer have the series on my computer, and can't seem to find it online, I'll just say watch either "Change of Life" or "Pacific State"; I can't remember who was having the conversation, but they're standing over the Nirvash, and you're able to see down in the archetype's "cockpit" without any armor on, which looks somehwhat familiar to Naru's circular Coral-"growths" in her body. Of course, it could also be the two "holes" seen on its chest here. Or none of these things.  |
DangerrAug 7, 2012 9:42 PM
Dangerr said: Now that i look at that picture, it does resemble a humanoid in some waysAnimaRO64 said: As for the Picture. . . I don't know what I am looking at. (I know what the picture is, I just don't know what I am suppose to be seeing. I guess I just don't know what the cockpit looks like) Since I no longer have the series on my computer, and can't seem to find it online, I'll just say watch either "Change of Life" or "Pacific State"; I can't remember who was having the conversation, but they're standing over the Nirvash, and you're able to see down in the archetype's "cockpit" without any armor on, which looks somehwhat familiar to Naru's circular Coral-"growths" in her body. Of course, it could also be the two "holes" seen on its chest here. Or none of these things. ill go check it out the episodes |
Dangerr said: Of course, it could also be the two "holes" seen on its chest here. Or none of these things. This mixed in with the fact that Nirvash is female ( atleast the voice ) ..... =  It's funny how this theory is actualy very /likely/ plausible... we shall see |
triforcebihAug 8, 2012 3:30 PM
mfw people still believe AO got and is about romance |
| Just a little things to put in perspective. Yes, Humans can turn into Coralians and archetypes ARE CORALIANS. In fact, Anemone was one of the humans Dewey Novac tried to turn into a Coralian as a backup plan after Holland stole Eureka. If transformed humans turn into archetypes in the end it would actually have pretty sad implications for Anemone's future after the end of the first season. But we already saw experiments into creating Humanoid Coralians in season 1, it's nothing new (Anemone was one such experiment and the whole Novac institution was full of experimental subjects). Either way, it is implied all the Archetypes can communicate and have at least a little self-awareness (Holland confirmed Eureka could talk to all archetypes not just Nirvash). They are kept at bay and under control by the Compac which allows the human and the rider to sync. The adittion of the Amita Drive designed by Adroc was partly what allowed Type Zero to "evolve" and become more in sync with Eureka and Renton and overall more alive. Nirvash basically says at the end of the first season that it/she is now full of emotions and experiences because Eureka and Renton filled her compac with their emotions. SO all archetypes should have the same potential Nirvash did given the right circumnstances and all of them can communicate with other Coralians. |
Leon-GunAug 10, 2012 6:50 AM
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Leon-Gun said: Just a little things to put in perspective. Yes, Humans can turn into Coralians and archetypes ARE CORALIANS. In fact, Anemone was one of the humans Dewey Novac tried to turn into a Coralian as a backup plan after Holland stole Eureka. If transformed humans turn into archetypes in the end it would actually have pretty sad implications for Anemone's future after the end of the first season. But we already saw experiments into creating Humanoid Coralians in season 1, it's nothing new (Anemone was one such experiment and the whole Novac institution was full of experimental subjects). Either way, it is implied all the Archetypes can communicate and have at least a little self-awareness (Holland confirmed Eureka could talk to all archetypes not just Nirvash). They are kept at bay and under control by the Compac which allows the human and the rider to sync. The adittion of the Amita Drive designed by Adroc was partly what allowed Type Zero to "evolve" and become more in sync with Eureka and Renton and overall more alive. Nirvash basically says at the end of the first season that it/she is now full of emotions and experiences because Eureka and Renton filled her compac with their emotions. SO all archetypes should have the same potential Nirvash did given the right circumnstances and all of them can communicate with other Coralians. I don't think that's quite it. If Naru IS INDEED the Nirvash, there has to be more to it than that; there would have to be something special that sets her apart from the other archetypes. I'm actually not fully subscribing to the theory that she is the Nirvash, but only that it's a possibility at this point, and a fun "what-if" sort of theory. Also, regarding Anemone, that whole thing seems to be different; the scientists at Warsaw were tampering with the genetics of their subjects, going for more of an 'Eureka clone'. Conversely, Naru is "infected" with Scub Coral-substance in her lungs and central nervous system. Bluntly, Anemone's condition was more static and benign (by comparison), while Naru's is aggresive and malignant, so to speak. It's questionable if Naru's facing the threat of death, but mutation seems imminent. Anyways, regarding this next episode, I don't know how I didn't see it coming earlier; the Mark I, for all intents and purposes, is trashed. The board at the very least is destroyed, and I somehow doubt they have another in stock, ready to go, so it's going to be a while before it's up and running again. The preview mentions, however, that Ao executes the "Polaris Plan", which led me to thinking: Generation Bleu's in the biggest bind it's ever seen, and they can't afford to just let Ao sit out of commission. With its reputation at stake, and possibly even that of the world, Christophe is going to go a step even further, and have Ao use theEND to combat the threat they're currently facing (Considering his Coralian heritage, it should be more than possible). Stanley and BBW will probably be furious for whatever reason, and I'm going to bet a good deal of the aftermath will deal with this fact. I wanted Ao to meet his homeland by next week, but I'm questioning as to whether it will happen this soon, at this point; there's still a lot of ground to be covered in this timeline, with too many plot points that need to be addressed. That is, unless he has a detour to the future timeline, and them comes back somehow to conclude the climax ("The Seven Days of Fire", with likely a battle in space). Facing this possibility, I can't wait for next episode even more. (I've really gone off on a tangent with the SPECULAH in this thread, haven't I? : P) |
DangerrAug 10, 2012 7:56 AM
IT BEGINS My life feels empty without people speculating and making theories. |
triforcebih said: IT BEGINS My life feels empty without people speculating and making theories. Yeah, saw that on the chans as well. I'm gonna agree with what the other anon said, however; I think it's just a motiff, rather than a true connection. Who knows, really, though. |
fdsfgs said: Having just watched the latest 9 episodes yesterday, I only have two words to say. Holy shit. If it weren't so enjoyable to be part of the weekly discussion, I'd most definitely prefer to marathon a series like this. But yeah, a lot has happened in the last nine episodes. : P |
fdsfgs said: Dangerr said: fdsfgs said: Having just watched the latest 9 episodes yesterday, I only have two words to say. Holy shit. If it weren't so enjoyable to be part of the weekly discussion, I'd most definitely prefer to marathon a series like this. But yeah, a lot has happened in the last nine episodes. : P It's not just that so much has happened. The first 12 episodes did an excellent job with setting the world, setting up the various character and political conflicts, fleshing out the history, and breathing life into the world of AO. Sure it was a different world from the one in the original E7, but different doesn't necessarily mean bad. And then the ending of episode 12 changed everything, and turned what was already a great series into something even greater. Though one thing I can't wrap my head around is how humanity is speaking the exact same dialect of Japanese 10,000 years into the future. Referring to Eureka being able to communicate with Ao? Most likely just for convenience, but you could owe it up to everyone speaking some form of English (Everyone seems to speak it, including Ao; he's identified English spelling characters before). But again, just like Star Trek, it's probably just for convenience's sake. Anyways, I wasn't suggesting that the first 12 episodes were bad, and for the most part, agree with you. |
| O god the theory's @_@ I think my head just exploded. From now on Im just going to stop speculating and just wait for the show to explain things.. Your speculation is on a whole other level then mine lol |
 If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
triforcebih said: Did you coincidentally notice that or you pay a lot of attention to detail. Personally I would have never noticed thatIT BEGINS My life feels empty without people speculating and making theories. \("O")/ *MIND BLOWN* |
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