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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I didn't really understand how Suigintou got her Rosa Mystica though. Through a dream world? And I still don't know who that rabbit man is >_> |
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| An enjoyable OVA. It is nice to have more background information on Suigintou. |
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blackfeather_58 said: An enjoyable OVA. It is nice to have more background information on Suigintou. But it's sad on how shinku and suigintou lost faith/love within each other |
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| An excellent transistion for Träumend. I liked! :D |
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| This episode made me love Suigintou so much :) |
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| a 1 time shinku was a bit%h, thats what i learned from this ova |
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| I really wish Suigintou & Shinku were still friends, but where would the plot go? Shinku was so cute when Suigintou was threatening her brouch<3 |
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| Wow... That is story of Suigintou sign up the Alice Game. hehe. |
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| Suigintou's a psycho... Shinku treated her nicely, only to get her brooch shattered by Suigintou... Shinku did nothing wrong, Suigintou over-reacted. enjoyable indeed. More Rozen Maiden is always welcome... I hope there's more. |
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AirStyles said: Shinku treated her nicely, only to get her brooch shattered by Suigintou... Shinku did nothing wrong, Suigintou over-reacted. I hope you were right, but, Shinku was wrong, she was nice to Suigintou until she meanly spit the truth on her. Now understand what Suigintou meant in Träumend when she said: "You hurt me, Shinku". I hope there's more of Rozen Maiden too, |
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SweetMonia said: AirStyles said: Shinku treated her nicely, only to get her brooch shattered by Suigintou... Shinku did nothing wrong, Suigintou over-reacted. I hope you were right, but, Shinku was wrong, she was nice to Suigintou until she meanly spit the truth on her. Now understand what Suigintou meant in Träumend when she said: "You hurt me, Shinku". I hope there's more of Rozen Maiden too, well, exactly as Shinku stated. "What am I suppose to tell her? You're not a child that father loved?" Suigintou, is an incomplete doll, an abandoned work, and like Shinku said, the only reason she's moving without Rosa Mystica is because of her deep love for Rozen. Shinku is only at fault for not telling her the harsh truth, she is not one of them. She offered her hand to Suigintou, a "junk", literally, that shouldn't even be moving around. Trying to give her a life. Though one can see Shinku feeling guilty of not telling through out the OVA. Her intention is not bad like Suigintou stated. just a reference... Hope, is it good to have hope? Or is hope the ultimate evil? Have faith, and hope is what everyone believe they need during tough times. Now, think Pandora's box(Ancient greek mythology, a box that contain all the evil in the world, the deepest, the most evil of evil in the box is hope. Why is Hope a bad thing? Because hope and faith can prolong a man's suffering. Without hope, the sufferer could easily take the easy way out and quit. less torturing life. Shinku provide false hope to Suigintou, thus gave her reason to keep moving forward, from a common perspective, it is the correct thing to do. But if one is to see it with Pandora's Box's logic, Shinku is doing the most horrible thing to Suigintou by providing false hope. the way I see it, if Suigintou is told the truth, she will be in despair till the day she stopped moving. She can only move so long without a Rosa Mystica. By providing hope to Suigintou, she might find another purpose to live on, and probably find happiness as Sara's doll. I'd do the same thing if I am in Shinku's shoes. As much as Suigintou loved Rozen, when it comes right down to it, she's just a pitiful doll that is not completed, that is the harsh truth, and Shinku knows it. Shinku and Suigintou's trust and love is not ruined by Shinku, it is the result of a sad chains of events. no one is at fault, Shinku's too kind for her own good, Suigintou's too obsess for her own good, and Rozen... Something about him abandoning Suigintou then take her back after being moved by her love or whatnot. I can't really criticise Rozen, because, if I were Rozen, I'd provide Suigintou a Rosa Mystica too. |
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guyklc said: This episode made me love Suigintou so much :) me too, she is my favorite character in this series. |
| Nice to see the dolls' past. :3 |
| Poor Suigintou. This is a great episode. I love the past between these two. It's a shame that the Alice Game ended right there. I would love to see the fight continue. Though, Enju and Laplace still remain a mystery. Are they just as eternal as the Rozen Maidens? Looks like I'll have to read the manga.. |
| Until watching this, I never understood why Suigintou was so popular. She just seemed like a bit of a crazy bitch that wanted to kill everyone, but she did have the best dress. This OVA really did make me feel sorry for her. I found it better than Rozen Maiden and Traumend. |
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| I don't know what's the deal with suigintou why people like her a lot. Is it her story, looks, what exactly is it? 0.o Now I've watched all the RM , wth is with the rabbit guy seriously? |
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MelbShaw said: I don't know what's the deal with suigintou why people like her a lot. Is it her story, looks, what exactly is it? 0.o Yeah, I don't get it either. I think it's most likely due to her having a "sad" sort of past. |
AlexSadist-sama said: MelbShaw said: I don't know what's the deal with suigintou why people like her a lot. Is it her story, looks, what exactly is it? 0.o Yeah, I don't get it either. I think it's most likely due to her having a "sad" sort of past. Well, she is beautifull, strong, yet tragic. And otherworldly. |
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| So Shinku and Suigintou each have strong reasons for their mutual hatred of one another. Ouverture shines a different light on season 2 and even more on season 1 -- I feel as though these two episodes should've had a place in the main series, in lieu of two of the filler episodes. |
| i liked the ova it was nice to see Suigintous past and her relationship to Shinku... i still don't get who's teh Rabbit exactly isn't he an ally of Enju?....and how come Enju never aged since the 19th century o.O... also we didn't get to know the real 7th doll i was hoping we could see her in the ova.... and i don't understand why Rozen loved Shinku more than the others he treated her differently and gave her the brooch with his symbol.... |
| That rabbit doesn't seem to serve a purpose......at all. And it seems more like Suigintou just took what Shinku said about her and twisted it. So their feud is because of one big misunderstanding. I mean, Shinku was nice enough to to teach Suigintou to walk, and she wanted her to stay with Sarah and be happy. It was good, I definitely enjoyed it more than the first season. 7/10 |
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| 7.5/10 Explains a lot. |
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| Like what most people have stated before me, Shinku had good intentions for Suigintou(even wanted to set her up with Sara and live a happy life) and yet cannot comprehend that Suigintou can also be a Rozen Maiden just because she was incomplete. What was that saying? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That is definitely the case with Shinku it was Shinku's tender-heartedness or is it more so that she really pitied Suigintou? Maybe both. Regardless despite all the help that Shinku gave to Suigintou because Shinku cannot get the idea that Suigintou is also a Rozen Maiden through her thick plastic head and Suigintou's over-reaction exacerbated the misunderstanding even further to a deep-seated hatred for one another. How Shinku sees Suigintou before the misunderstanding= Oh a Rozen maiden but she's incomplete therefore means she is really not a Rozen maiden and does not meet the criteria to become Alice. Oh I know, I should just let her be Sara's doll so she can live a happy life regardless that she is incomplete. It's for the best. I am such a good Rozen Maiden... How Suigintou sees Shinku=Where's father? Oh a doll. She's so nice to me, helping me learn alot on how to walk and make tea. Shinku, why are you fighting?! Huh? *gets sliced in half by Souseiseki* Shinku, help me!(maybe if Shinku decided to make an attempt at helping her at that pivotal moment might have changed things for the better, nope she just watches) Father? Hey Shinku, Father gave me my Rosa Mystica, see I am a Rozen maiden!!! What? You still think I'm not?! Why you!!!Just because you're complete and was well taken cared of doesn't make you any better than me *destroys Shinku's brooch* What???!!! *goes batsh*t insane after being called "junk" by Shinku* Now that I think of it, Shinku in a sense is an elitist while Suigintou feels betrayed that Shinku could not bring herself to say to her that she is not good enough to be a Rozen maiden and instead gives her false hope which makes the situation better briefly and then gets a whole lot worse later on. |
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| That's all I also did not suffice. |
| 5/5 Yes, definitely these OVA Han made it clear what we were wondering for a long time. Now you can appreciate even more the work. The line between good and evil, becomes more subtle and it's hard to tell who is who! * _ * AirStyles said: SweetMonia said: AirStyles said: Shinku treated her nicely, only to get her brooch shattered by Suigintou... Shinku did nothing wrong, Suigintou over-reacted. I hope you were right, but, Shinku was wrong, she was nice to Suigintou until she meanly spit the truth on her. Now understand what Suigintou meant in Träumend when she said: "You hurt me, Shinku". I hope there's more of Rozen Maiden too, well, exactly as Shinku stated. "What am I suppose to tell her? You're not a child that father loved?" Suigintou, is an incomplete doll, an abandoned work, and like Shinku said, the only reason she's moving without Rosa Mystica is because of her deep love for Rozen. Shinku is only at fault for not telling her the harsh truth, she is not one of them. She offered her hand to Suigintou, a "junk", literally, that shouldn't even be moving around. Trying to give her a life. Though one can see Shinku feeling guilty of not telling through out the OVA. Her intention is not bad like Suigintou stated. just a reference... Hope, is it good to have hope? Or is hope the ultimate evil? Have faith, and hope is what everyone believe they need during tough times. Now, think Pandora's box(Ancient greek mythology, a box that contain all the evil in the world, the deepest, the most evil of evil in the box is hope. Why is Hope a bad thing? Because hope and faith can prolong a man's suffering. Without hope, the sufferer could easily take the easy way out and quit. less torturing life. Shinku provide false hope to Suigintou, thus gave her reason to keep moving forward, from a common perspective, it is the correct thing to do. But if one is to see it with Pandora's Box's logic, Shinku is doing the most horrible thing to Suigintou by providing false hope. the way I see it, if Suigintou is told the truth, she will be in despair till the day she stopped moving. She can only move so long without a Rosa Mystica. By providing hope to Suigintou, she might find another purpose to live on, and probably find happiness as Sara's doll. I'd do the same thing if I am in Shinku's shoes. As much as Suigintou loved Rozen, when it comes right down to it, she's just a pitiful doll that is not completed, that is the harsh truth, and Shinku knows it. Shinku and Suigintou's trust and love is not ruined by Shinku, it is the result of a sad chains of events. no one is at fault, Shinku's too kind for her own good, Suigintou's too obsess for her own good, and Rozen... Something about him abandoning Suigintou then take her back after being moved by her love or whatnot. I can't really criticise Rozen, because, if I were Rozen, I'd provide Suigintou a Rosa Mystica too. I really appreciate your input! :) However, I remain convinced that we should mitigate the idea of hope, try to give a remote possibility but not an absolute arbitrary advice, but is often lacking in eloquence dialogues and create additional problems. Hakuromatsu said: So Shinku and Suigintou each have strong reasons for their mutual hatred of one another. Ouverture shines a different light on season 2 and even more on season 1 -- I feel as though these two episodes should've had a place in the main series, in lieu of two of the filler episodes. Your idea is not bad, I also would have seen by far one other set of OVA that were describing in addition to those already mentioned in Overture also other obscure points that are not mentioned, but nonetheless positioned in between the first and second season. |
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| I hate shiku she's soooo stuck up, she lies to Suigintou, she lets her die, and she looks down on her. Suigintou has done nothing to shiku she sees her as a friend and she loved her and look what shiku does to her. Sorry but shiku is in the wrong here..........hell she didn't like fact the she was the first doll. I'm totally on suigintous side here. |
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| So there are seven dolls. Wow, we get to see how Suigintou came to be and her journey to how she became what she is now. Also why Shinku and Suigintou hate each other. Great episode! |
| Learning that this wasn't canon was really disappointing. |
| Yeah, so after seeing how Shinku treated Suigintou when they first met, I can totally see why Suigintou hates her. It was only natural that Shinku didn't believe Suigintou to be a Rozen Maiden doll because she had no Rosa Mystica. Since this is what she believed, I can see how Shinku's actions were in hopes of making Suigintou's life as best as possible, but I can also see how Suigintou took these actions to be condescending as well. Overall I'd give this an 8/10. Solid plot, explained a lot to give relevent background information for the story. I liked the action too! :D Although why was this era's Alice Game over when they showed nothing about Hina Ichigo, Kanaria, and the 7th doll? |
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Noodle070 said: Yeah, so after seeing how Shinku treated Suigintou when they first met, I can totally see why Suigintou hates her. It was only natural that Shinku didn't believe Suigintou to be a Rozen Maiden doll because she had no Rosa Mystica. Since this is what she believed, I can see how Shinku's actions were in hopes of making Suigintou's life as best as possible, but I can also see how Suigintou took these actions to be condescending as well. Overall I'd give this an 8/10. Solid plot, explained a lot to give relevent background information for the story. I liked the action too! :D Although why was this era's Alice Game over when they showed nothing about Hina Ichigo, Kanaria, and the 7th doll? Yes she did have a sad past, but all the things Suigintou did in the 1st season and 2nd season is not justified at all. @Noodle070 |
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| Pretty sure this only goes for anime Suigintou. I think in manga she is just mean to everyone. |
| Suigintou went from being so weak she couldn't walk to gaining a Rosa Mystica and becoming basically equal in strength to Shinku, her first friend and person who helped her, only to be told that her weakness was not just preferable, but an inescapable fate. Of course she didn't take it well. |
| I'd be an edgelady apologist, if only I were sorry |
| I dont understand who is the seventh doll? isn't Barasuishou created by Enju aka Rozen's apprentice? then she's not the seven doll since she's not a rozen maiden tho?? |
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| man these OVAs were really an improvement over the seasons especially over Traumend Suigintou well and truly best girl imagine how beautiful here existence could have been if only she'd been loved OVAs and movies really are always many steps up from seasonal anime, one of these days I'll wise up and just stop watching seasonal lol |
| EXCELLENT! Really like how this recontextualized Shinku's and Suigintou's relationship, and by extension, the core conflict of the original series, plus one of the main conflicts on the latter half of Dreamend. I remember back when I saw the early episodes of the original series if they were ever gonna show past mediums and conflicts between the Rozen Maidens, glad to see they actually did. Talking about filling spectations, the extra context on why Suigintou and Shinku's approach to the Alice Game is the way it is helps fill in a bit of Träumend's holes and make the events a bit more satisfying. Definetly will rewatch the final episode having Ouvertüre's information in mind. Also the sound design here in this episode was quite good - both on Tanaka Rie's "innocent" Suigintou and Miyuki Sawahiro's desperate Shinku. VERY good acting by both of them, I almost teared up of how beautiful it was, I definetly got the feels. Even if most of the story took place before the original season, this was still a pretty good way to wrap it up. I kinda don't want to read the manga now, I really liked this anime-original storyline and I fear it might not match it. What a great experience, these two specials were. |
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