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| Well, that was pretty nice - a complex and philosophical read. Sadly it's too far from masterpiece - most of the story is not realy complicated at all, and the complexity is actually pretty virtual.. I took time to rearrange pages and it made a much more clear manga, which actually was pretty straightforward... In this case I think author is trying too much into adding the complex effect where it isn't needed. Totally NOT worth three re-reads, at most a few pages backtracking and you will pretty much figure most of your questions out and most of relations of characters be it parental or friendship one. But seriously, just get the volume and arrange the pages in chronological order and afterwards group them into different character relation groups - you will get approximately 4-6 chapters depending on how you group the characters. The only question that remained is that if the 'grandfather' god in the end was simply a symbolism or he was actually some relative of someone's from the manga too.. And not quite sure about the butterfly part of the story - I guess the butterfly theme is shown to explain death. Some old stories often mention butterflies as bringers of death. |
HentaichegJun 8, 2014 3:40 PM
| wtf this is so underrated on MAL. i'd expect the score to be in the high 8s... anyway, i need at least one more re-read in the future. didn't fully understand it. likes: linking multiple storylines together, philosophy, art, pacing dislikes: it's so depressing to read, too many random sexual moments that break the tension, too symbolic at times |
Hentaicheg said: Sadly it's too far from masterpiece - most of the story is not really complicated at all, and the complexity is actually pretty virtual.. In this case I think author is trying too much into adding the complex effect where it isn't needed. Kinda feel the same here, I would call it the 'deep effect'. After reading some reviews I was ready for a mind-blowing piece, but halfway through the story, the plot started to feel thin and the relations became predictable. The multiple connections between characters were a good point, which was wasted cause many of them remained undeveloped. That said, I'll try some other title, Solanin maybe. |
Lena-K said: Hentaicheg said: Sadly it's too far from masterpiece - most of the story is not really complicated at all, and the complexity is actually pretty virtual.. In this case I think author is trying too much into adding the complex effect where it isn't needed. Kinda feel the same here, I would call it the 'deep effect'. After reading some reviews I was ready for a mind-blowing piece, but halfway through the story, the plot started to feel thin and the relations became predictable. The multiple connections between characters were a good point, which was wasted cause many of them remained undeveloped. That said, I'll try some other title, Solanin maybe. Solanin is vastly different and a straightforward, realistic SoL drama. You won't be getting any crazy, surreal stuff. Just sayin'. |
| 2nd Reading, masterpiece |
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| That was quite the experience. Reminds me of Gogo Monster, I liked this a lot more though. |
ReaperCreeperApr 19, 2015 5:20 AM
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| I have to say its pretty good. The way he tells the story makes it complicated even if the plot is really simple. You can see the endings for each character and i like that even those that die still remain in infinite loop hole that they desire. Also i like the way he potrays life as an endless circle full of problems. Anyway i find the story to be simple enough to understand, its just that most people are confused about what happened right after they finish reading it. If you think about it for a moment you will realise how easy it is. Definitely no need for a re-read, there are much more complicated manga out there. In conclusion it was an interesting read. |
| Never ending nightmare! |
| From what I´ve read of Inio Asano this is by far the worst of his manga. I know I´m in the minority,but I didn´t like it at all. |
| Sooo... TL;DR Too complicated story, too much of rape and sexual deviations make this story way worse. Overal it's a 6/10. The story is also never explained, we only know that the characters are in a neverending loop. But we don't know who started it and what is the purpose of "doomsayer" characters like Arie and her mother. |
ZeesAug 18, 2015 8:32 AM
Muffet said: Correction: Koma appears and stabs Higure on his with the umbrella's pointy end and pierces through him.Sooo... Suddenly, Koma appears and hits Higure with a brick. |
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ZZZZZZZs said: Sooo... TL;DR Too complicated story, too much of rape and sexual deviations make this story way worse. Overal it's a 6/10. The story is also never explained, we only know that the characters are in a neverending loop. But we don't know who started it and what is the purpose of "doomsayer" characters like Arie and her mother. Thank you for this ! i was totally missed the part where Higure and Kyoko died ;___; the part where Suzuki and Ari are siblings is kinda messed up too. i totally didn't realized that both their father visited the mother's grave and also the part where Suzuki rapes Ari, i thought that was real too :( i had to draw a chart while reading this manga tbh lol |
" Have some adventure while you can, and then start to figure things out" 5 Centimeters per Second  |
| Wow, 6 re-reads later and i finally can understand the story to a (semi) substantial level. Learning about zen really helped |
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| story is not clear, even if its meant to be, I find this really bad manga |
Zees said: Sooo... TL;DR Too complicated story, too much of rape and sexual deviations make this story way worse. Overal it's a 6/10. The story is also never explained, we only know that the characters are in a neverending loop. But we don't know who started it and what is the purpose of "doomsayer" characters like Arie and her mother. Thanks for the explanation, its more clear now. The manga premises is creepy, imo its close to a masterpiece 8.5/10 |
| Very Lynchian. The pieces seems to fit together because they are related each other, but they actually don't. An aesthetic and oneiric voyage where the narrative relations are not temporally and logically connected – especially toward the end – but are related enough to still feel consequential, the truth is that they diverge and converge in overlapping and contradictory directions. |
| Alright, I mostly understood the story on the first read, although through the end it became more confusing... and even after looking up proper chronology with explanations just in case, I still don't see much point in the whole story. Oh well, it looked kinda interesting and had nice concepts but wasn't what I hoped it would be at all... seems more like complexity for the sake of complexity. And these sex/rape scenes felt too random and unnecessary tbh. 5-6/10 overall |
AquamirrorMay 4, 2017 1:56 PM
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| i honestly understood maybe 30% of what i read, it was interesting but the most confusing story i have ever read - felt like "erased" had a baby with a david lynch film i'll probably have to reread it to understand, i just read the explanation above and i'm still puzzled: i didn't even notice kyoko dying, nor higure (thought he got killed immediately when koma stabbed him), and i thought arie committed suicide (it looked almost like she jumped out the window after waking up) and the entire time i thought big teeth dude was her real dad because he's shown at the beginning with her and suzuki in the final chapter but i guess not but aHh my head hurts 6/10 |
| So I have a theory about the plot, which I will test on my next read. But I believe the story is symbolically cyclical, meaning that you are led to believe that characters as adults are in the present, and showing them as kids is the past. But it could be just as likely that the parts with kids is the present, and them as adults is the past. It is sort of like a necker cube, you can see it in two different ways. |
| I guess that I understood the story to an extent as I read through it but trying to put it into words is more confusing than it should've been. I'm not really willing to give this a reread since I wasn't a big fan of how scrambled the events were shown and the whole butterfly thing being such a prominent part of the whole thing while at the same time not being explained at least a little bit in the story. It was fine but I didn't really enjoy it as much as I did with Punpun that's for sure. It definitely proved that Asano had greatly improved with his storytelling though~ |
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| I'd love to see this in a live-action film format, the pacing and flow is very great and you can tell the narrative in about 2 hours, with the similar nonlinear narrative like say, Pulp Fiction. |
| First 10 chapters were good and they weren't that confusing but after that, especially after 12th chapter where he woke up from a dream (or not I don't know) its getting too much confusing. I really love the atmosphere of Asano Inio's mangas but this one's story was a little bit confusing. |
| A decently crafted jigsaw puzzle all in all, but I fail to see why the manga needed one in the first place. I see the parallels between this story and the folklore (with all the symbolic values behind it) the manga desperately tried to reproduce, but I am not sure it really panned out that well by the end. It is a scrambled / fragmented narrative on the human psyche, and the ultimate demise of our society through the lens of several characters' perspectives / backgrounds / issues in life that all intertwined somehow. The huge flaw in Asano's premise - in my opinion - is that I feel 'Nijigahara Holograph' was a bit too 'dense' content-wise for its own good. It is the oldest trick in the book really, 'to have your cake and eat it too' - jam-packed with themes, but never really tackling them in a meaningful way: Asano wanted to convey so much on people's emotional reactions, on what is generally seen as 'sins' that in the end he barely said anything remotely clever. It is kind of tricking the audience into thinking that this work is so cleverly written, because it is messy - when in all reality, the approach in and of itself is quite superfluous: it is messy, borderline offensive with all the sexual deviations (for no apparent reason outside of making the story a bit more edgy I suppose), because it hides the lack of a good theming. 'Lynchian, but to a fault' might be a good statement to summarise the whole reading experience. One that I did enjoy on the face of it actually - it is just that I did not find it compelling enough. I think that the intertextual quality of Asano's 'Nijigahara Holograph' is quite representative of how lacking the whole narrative is: the nods to Zhuangzi's metaphysical poem were certainly interesting on paper - yet not only was it not subtetly-written at all, it also led to a very 'mundane' interpretation' of it. The 'butterflies' panels were beautifully drawn, and especially beautifully composed - unfortunately this use of the butterfly as a symbolic dream-like human experience did not add much in terms of substance. Contrary to one might consider, Asano did not give us a lot of 'food for thought' with 'Nijigahara Holograph' - it was mostly 'fluff': enjoyable 'fluff' for what it was, but 'fluff' nonetheless. |
| The only decent work of Asano so far, yet I didnt get impressed by it, it's keep using the same motiffs of his other works, you could guessed a lot of stuff If you already knew his work, the surreal side of the manga was the weakest part, anyways compared to Solanin and Punpun this one was worth the read, 6/10 PD: Post hype analysis and low staying effect made me lower the score to a 5. |
-Xenophon-Oct 28, 2022 1:08 PM
| Before I read the supposed explanation to the ending and the story itself, I have to say that I don't get it and think it's kinda bad. I haven't read all of Asano Inio's manga yet, so I don't have a full judgement yet of whether he's actually good or not, but so far, as captivating as his art and life themes are, it's not exactly good. It's extreme, with little sense from my understanding. A form of sybolism with butterflys for whatever reason, in a town of exaggerated amount of despicable characters, from children to adults. Pedophiles, Killers, Bullies, Deviants, Rapists. ... it's fucked up. Somehow revolving around one little girl, and what the mother predicted... but for whatever reason, every character is deranged in their own way. It's ridiculous. Then the end reveals that the boy's future self met him... what the fuck. It's very confusing and illogical. 4/10. After learning of the ending now though, I don't know. Who knows. |
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