Has the knowledge of fan reception to the manga ending hurt your hype for season 3 (and beyond?) NO SPOILERS
[Oshi No Ko]
| As we all probably know at this point, the manga has ended, and the reception to the direction it takes towards the end, particularly the reception to the final conclusion and resolution in particular, has been mixed to be charitable. Without getting into any specifics or spoilers about what happens in the manga, has the knowledge of how poorly the later parts of the story have been received hurt your hype for season 3 of this show (and potentially beyond?) On my part I’ve tried my best to avoid the fallout from the manga, but I’d be lying if I said it hadn’t dampened my enthusiasm (even after season 2 had done such a good job of getting me back in). |
| If you haven't read the manga and don't know what's coming, you shouldn't let haters influence your love for the series. Instead, read the manga for yourself or wait for the anime, and make your own judgment. |
CielordDec 7, 2024 1:01 AM
| No, it increased my hype, because I like endings that are contrary to the expectations of the audience. |
| I'd be lying if I said it hasn't. Not the overall fan reception, just my own opinions after reading through the manga myself. A lot about the ending doesn't make sense after previous build up. Besides, I always felt like writing-wise, Tokyo Blade arc was the peak of this series. We get some good moments later on, but this was THE arc, for me personally. |
xXCaptainJXx said: Ive done a pretty good job of staying away from spoilers till now so im still very excited to see how the series continues and ends! And its a no brainer to not trust what the people say about anime endings anymore, they talked trash about the aot ending when it couldnt be any perfect, and theyre hating on the mha ending too just coz it didnt end up in a gay relationship? like wth, dont get influenced by people's opinions, read/watch it for yourself to see if its your type. I think the MHA ending was disliked more for having no romantic resolution at all rather than not having a gay one tbh. |
certifiedbingerDec 7, 2024 4:44 AM
| No, I saw it coming. I’m not surprised by the bad reception. Im anime only and i think the anime itself is fantastic; most of its narrative ideas are sound, but.. I always found some parts of the shows writing hammy. Particularly the heavier, darker bits. So I was never entirely on board with the show. Also I fully expected some weird, not so compelling development towards the peak of the story. Oshi no Ko imo would have done better narratively with light drama and comedy; no more, no less. The darker stuff they tried to do i think needs more careful, less hammy writing. Literally remove the whole mother being murdered, and the twins reincarnating while still having the family exist; Ai, Ruby/Aqua and you have a better show. |
LordKirkisDec 8, 2024 7:29 AM
LegendMC119 said: LordKirkis said: No, I saw it coming. I’m not surprised by the bad reception. Im anime only and i think the anime itself is fantastic; most of its narrative ideas are sound, but.. I always found some parts of the shows writing hammy. Particularly the heavier, darker bits. So I was never entirely on board with the show. Also I fully expected some weird, not so compelling development towards the peak of the story. Oshi no Ko imo would have done better narratively with light drama and comedy; no more, no less. The darker stuff they tried to do i think needs more careful, less hammy writing. Literally remove the whole mother being murdered, and the twins reincarnating while still having the family exist; Ai, Ruby/Aqua and you have a better show. While I wanna agree, you gotta remember that the whole murder of Ai and its mystery was what caught the attention of people. Even then though its not a good thing cuz that gave people unrealistic expectations for Season 1. These expections only really get close at Season 2 with Aqua's "trauma" in 2.5D and the entirety of the Private Arc plot. Sure and from a business standpoint you could say that decision partly contributed to the series great success. And it’s hard to argue with that success. That said this is what we got right? An overall enjoyable show with great art, enough reach for an adaptation, renewal of 3 seasons, but then also a narrative that was never realized to its potential. Im not sure what happened, but i can only guess the Mangaka grew bored of the series and never got the creative juices flowing enough for him to see a story this bold through. It’s a shame as the art for this show is quite good, the character dynamics are fun, and interesting too. While the industry stuff also holds intrigue as well. I think they could have kept it with some level of drama, fair bit of comedy, maybe an episode or two slice of life and i think would have been perfect. It’s a shame because many people really do enjoy the characters. That includes the studio that made the adaptation, and the seiyuu’s that did the excellent voicework. |
LordKirkisDec 8, 2024 11:42 AM
| Not really. I was never deeply in love with this series, and 90% of the time I see people ranting about how a popular series had a horrible ending, they are really overblowing it, so... Bleh. |
Reply to Cielord
If you haven't read the manga and don't know what's coming, you shouldn't let haters influence your love for the series. Instead, read the manga for yourself or wait for the anime, and make your own judgment.
| Definitely. I even considered dropping a further adaptation like many other (former) fans or influencers who were critical of the manga's ending. If some of my other speculations and fan theories come true, then this franchise will be successfully lost to me. But in the end, I, like many others, decided to just follow this to see if the anime would somehow change the ending in turn, because the live action adaptation had already had to do major damage control to fix things at least partially. @Cielord The problem is that the author himself did a great job of ruining my love for the series. How can you ignore the haters when the author himself seems to want you to become one? @RodNas92 I didn’t know that wanting a good, well-developed ending to a good for well-developed story meant being spoiled. If refusing to consume a poorly made product with a bunch of bad implications and a poorly written tragedy out of nowhere is spoiled, then I'm spoiled, yes. And yes, I will continue to say that the tragedy genre is not a universal excuse for any poorly written dark shit. It's like justifying bad children's stories by saying that they are for children. @LegendMC119 Finishing a story well is definitely more difficult than conceiving a good story and developing it well. Especially if you are under great pressure from external circumstances or terrible work morale, as in this case. Also, please note that all of the shows you mentioned are titans of modern anime. That is, the problem with shitty endings in manga simply leads to the problem with shitty endings in most hype anime. @AltN To fix this, they will need to completely rewrite several arcs and their narratives. Because the ending doesn't just suck because of the execution, it sucks because it contradicts so many of the themes and developments in the manga. @LordKirkis That is why such things are doubly bad. The author not only kills his own cash cow, potentially ruining his career, but also harms everyone involved in publishing or adapting his work. Even down to the illustrators, just remember that since Akaa is wisely almost absent from Twitter right now, all the hate over the ending went to the more active online Mengo, the manga illustrator. |
RobertBobertDec 11, 2024 6:40 PM
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RobertBobert said: Definitely. I even considered dropping a further adaptation like many other (former) fans or influencers who were critical of the manga's ending. If some of my other speculations and fan theories come true, then this franchise will be successfully lost to me. But in the end, I, like many others, decided to just follow this to see if the anime would somehow change the ending in turn, because the live action adaptation had already had to do major damage control to fix things at least partially. @Cielord The problem is that the author himself did a great job of ruining my love for the series. How can you ignore the haters when the author himself seems to want you to become one? @RodNas92 I didn’t know that wanting a good, well-developed ending to a good for well-developed story meant being spoiled. If refusing to consume a poorly made product with a bunch of bad implications and a poorly written tragedy out of nowhere is spoiled, then I'm spoiled, yes. And yes, I will continue to say that the tragedy genre is not a universal excuse for any poorly written dark shit. It's like justifying bad children's stories by saying that they are for children. @LegendMC119 Finishing a story well is definitely more difficult than conceiving a good story and developing it well. Especially if you are under great pressure from external circumstances or terrible work morale, as in this case. Also, please note that all of the shows you mentioned are titans of modern anime. That is, the problem with shitty endings in manga simply leads to the problem with shitty endings in most hype anime. @AltN To fix this, they will need to completely rewrite several arcs and their narratives. Because the ending doesn't just suck because of the execution, it sucks because it contradicts so many of the themes and developments in the manga. @LordKirkis That is why such things are doubly bad. The author not only kills his own cash cow, potentially ruining his career, but also harms everyone involved in publishing or adapting his work. Even down to the illustrators, just remember that since Akaa is wisely almost absent from Twitter right now, all the hate over the ending went to the more active online Mengo, the manga illustrator. Thats a real shame to hear. The illustrator doesn’t deserve any of this BS and yet he’s on the receiving end doing damage control. Really though the Mangaka is not great at writing these kinds stories and his work with Oshi no Ko does overall feel amateurish. The anime adaptation and the mangas illustrator actually carried this series as far as it did. So I truly believe no one should have expected a good story from Oshi no Ko due to how hammy the writing is overall. |
LordKirkisDec 12, 2024 12:58 AM
Reply to LordKirkis
RobertBobert said:
Definitely. I even considered dropping a further adaptation like many other (former) fans or influencers who were critical of the manga's ending. If some of my other speculations and fan theories come true, then this franchise will be successfully lost to me. But in the end, I, like many others, decided to just follow this to see if the anime would somehow change the ending in turn, because the live action adaptation had already had to do major damage control to fix things at least partially.
@Cielord The problem is that the author himself did a great job of ruining my love for the series. How can you ignore the haters when the author himself seems to want you to become one?
@RodNas92 I didn’t know that wanting a good, well-developed ending to a good for well-developed story meant being spoiled. If refusing to consume a poorly made product with a bunch of bad implications and a poorly written tragedy out of nowhere is spoiled, then I'm spoiled, yes. And yes, I will continue to say that the tragedy genre is not a universal excuse for any poorly written dark shit. It's like justifying bad children's stories by saying that they are for children.
@LegendMC119 Finishing a story well is definitely more difficult than conceiving a good story and developing it well. Especially if you are under great pressure from external circumstances or terrible work morale, as in this case. Also, please note that all of the shows you mentioned are titans of modern anime. That is, the problem with shitty endings in manga simply leads to the problem with shitty endings in most hype anime.
@AltN To fix this, they will need to completely rewrite several arcs and their narratives. Because the ending doesn't just suck because of the execution, it sucks because it contradicts so many of the themes and developments in the manga.
@LordKirkis That is why such things are doubly bad. The author not only kills his own cash cow, potentially ruining his career, but also harms everyone involved in publishing or adapting his work. Even down to the illustrators, just remember that since Akaa is wisely almost absent from Twitter right now, all the hate over the ending went to the more active online Mengo, the manga illustrator.
Definitely. I even considered dropping a further adaptation like many other (former) fans or influencers who were critical of the manga's ending. If some of my other speculations and fan theories come true, then this franchise will be successfully lost to me. But in the end, I, like many others, decided to just follow this to see if the anime would somehow change the ending in turn, because the live action adaptation had already had to do major damage control to fix things at least partially.
@Cielord The problem is that the author himself did a great job of ruining my love for the series. How can you ignore the haters when the author himself seems to want you to become one?
@RodNas92 I didn’t know that wanting a good, well-developed ending to a good for well-developed story meant being spoiled. If refusing to consume a poorly made product with a bunch of bad implications and a poorly written tragedy out of nowhere is spoiled, then I'm spoiled, yes. And yes, I will continue to say that the tragedy genre is not a universal excuse for any poorly written dark shit. It's like justifying bad children's stories by saying that they are for children.
@LegendMC119 Finishing a story well is definitely more difficult than conceiving a good story and developing it well. Especially if you are under great pressure from external circumstances or terrible work morale, as in this case. Also, please note that all of the shows you mentioned are titans of modern anime. That is, the problem with shitty endings in manga simply leads to the problem with shitty endings in most hype anime.
@AltN To fix this, they will need to completely rewrite several arcs and their narratives. Because the ending doesn't just suck because of the execution, it sucks because it contradicts so many of the themes and developments in the manga.
@LordKirkis That is why such things are doubly bad. The author not only kills his own cash cow, potentially ruining his career, but also harms everyone involved in publishing or adapting his work. Even down to the illustrators, just remember that since Akaa is wisely almost absent from Twitter right now, all the hate over the ending went to the more active online Mengo, the manga illustrator.
Thats a real shame to hear. The illustrator doesn’t deserve any of this BS and yet he’s on the receiving end doing damage control.
Really though the Mangaka is not great at writing these kinds stories and his work with Oshi no Ko does overall feel amateurish. The anime adaptation and the mangas illustrator actually carried this series as far as it did. So I truly believe no one should have expected a good story from Oshi no Ko due to how hammy the writing is overall.
| @LordKirkis The saddest thing is that she already experienced this in the past, when haters literally forced her to write out an epilogue in order to achieve a more correct (for them) ending. And Mengo clearly remembered this, because she also began to make excuses and subtly hint that the accusations against Aka did not apply to herself. I don't know if Aka supported her in any way, but in the end it looked like the haters were just attacking her because of his absence. I haven't read his past "serious" title, but yeah, when it came to a really dark thriller development, the story quickly fell apart. While he was good at writing professional or psychological elements, here it was as if he didn't know what to do and simply forced the characters to do dramatic things against their will. |
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| Shit ending made me stop caring about 3rd season and reading manga past adapted material. |
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I personally liked the ending. I mean even though it felt kinda rushed, it fitted the story and the characters' personalities. It is certainly not the best ending, but it is satisfactory and a bit forseeable I would say, considering the whole thing. Despite that, the anime is very good on its own, since it has a great animation that draws you in and the whole atmosphere of the manga has been well conveyed. That's why I am looking forward for the third season. Well, either way, I don't think they will adapt the latest chapters in the next season, so if you enjoyed the second one, you will probably like the next one as well. |
Reply to Auti_
I personally liked the ending. I mean even though it felt kinda rushed, it fitted the story and the characters' personalities. It is certainly not the best ending, but it is satisfactory and a bit forseeable I would say, considering the whole thing.
Despite that, the anime is very good on its own, since it has a great animation that draws you in and the whole atmosphere of the manga has been well conveyed. That's why I am looking forward for the third season.
Well, either way, I don't think they will adapt the latest chapters in the next season, so if you enjoyed the second one, you will probably like the next one as well.
| Judging by the failure of the live action's final and the unambiguous postponement of the 3rd season for the next year, this has already begun to have a significant negative effect on the anime itself. @Auti_ Yeah, especially when you need to romanticize suicide and applying serious mental harm to loved ones for that. Or when the finale literally destroys manga at a conceptual level, practically erasing the majority of the protagonist’s experience between the prologue and the final to justify such the finale for him. "Kinda rushed", definitely. One way or another, I think that it is too bold to expect that those who will still love the third season will surely love the final. Because if the third season still retains what someone likes for one reason or another, the conditional final season will largely contain the most controversial and annoying part of the story of many people. |
RobertBobertFeb 2, 11:35 AM
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Reply to Auti_
| @Auti_ I just want it that it is already ending, so that I can close it as one of the chapters of my life and move on. Now probably even more than Aka, when he was in a hurry with the finale, Lmao. |
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| I loved the anime's second season enough to go finish the manga, whose ending I found underwhelming and disappointing. I'm still planning to watch the third season of the anime, but knowing that what's coming will be underwhelming and disappointing has certainly dulled my hype a tiny bit. |
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