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Feb 7, 8:34 AM
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As a big Studio Ghibli fan I’m really disappointed from this movie. We went to the theater with my family to watch this film knowing nothing about it and left the theater knowing nothing about it.

- There is no storytelling going on.
We had the main protagonist that lost his mother that can’t go over it and that he can’t accept his step mom. But the story makes a complete 180• turn.

- The world is completely banal
It felt like that I watched multiple short films after and after that had 0 connection with the previous ones.

Magic tower < cool bird < oh it’s an old man wtf? < old mage < different parallel worlds < ships with dead people??? < some marshmallow spirits < Fire girl < birds < more birds < even more birds and they eat humans damn?! < A WHOLE ARMY OF BIRDS WITH A BIRD KING??? < doors < old mage playing with some bricks < big Rock

annnnndd bum that’s it.

With 100 question marks in my head I waited for a good ending and was completely disappointed too. I remember the 200 people’s reaction to the ending it was a huge disappointed „ohhh“.

- No big difference from the animation in my opinion , just the beginning with the flames looks different.
- No big musical hits like Howls moving castle, Kiki, or Castle in the sky etc etc… just some piano here and there.

Maybe I had big hopes because it was the last film from Hayao Miyazaki idk.

What do you guys think?
Feb 7, 9:36 AM
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Yeah, i have to agree. I was hoping for something... more, I guess?? Like, it was an okayish movie, but not what I would expect after watching previous movies from the studio. ':s So many unexplained things, we witness stuff happening, but we have little to no base for them at all. I didn't mind the lack of music through most of the movie, I thought it was very calming and interesting just how full of 'ambience' it was. It kinda felt like an ASMR movie in a lot of moments. 😹
But all in all - I expected much more. Nothing keeps this whole movie together. I still have to try and maybe watch some analysis videos about it to help me understand what it was actually about.
Feb 7, 10:05 AM
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I posted a film analysis on this earlier but I think that this piece was fantastic. Personally, I am also a big ghibli fan and think it is important to view this piece as a somewhat autobiographical interpretation of the studios current and past state.

For example the ships with dead people and fleet of ships with no one on board can be both nods to previous works like spirited away and the group of planes in porco Rosso with no pilots. Additionally you might watch it and find other nods to past films and the always recurring airplane motif. Because The protagonist in my opinion is also supposed to be Miyazaki, he is journeying through the many films he has created and reflecting upon his career.

Another interpretation would be that Miyazaki is the Grand Uncle and the boy protagonist is his son. In this interpretation we could view the parakeets as the obsessive fan base that “consume everything” as its stated in the film and worship Miyazaki and his work. This theory is also supported by the parallel of the protagonist being put on the chopping block by the parakeets who intended to eat him. This could be symbolic of the audience poorly reviewing tales from earth sea which was directed by Miyazakis son. Lastly Miyazaki has been searching for an heir to take over the studio and realizes that if his son doesn’t take over the studio will fall apart, similarly to the fantasy world in the movie.

It’s important to keep up with what Miyazaki has said about the film too, stating that the three creators of the studio are supposed to be the grand uncle, the heron, and the boy.

All in all I think that the movie is a show don’t tell masterwork that beautifully wraps up the work of one of cinemas all time greats. And in the end helps us deal with the fact that ghibli, a world without malice, will eventually end because one day we have to return to our reality.
Feb 7, 10:14 AM
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Tbh I feel like I had a problem as a viewer and its that i didn't understand it, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning.
It felt like a very abstract movie, I'm sure that reading an analysis by someone who is more film-cultured than me, I might understand it better.
I can't wait to rewatch it but I doubt I'll go to the cinema again cause it expensive lol, so idk when i can watch it again.
Feb 7, 12:32 PM
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Yeah I just can't agree at all, this is comparable to his best work for me. One of my favorite Hisaishi scores, stunning animation, and the abstractness really worked for me. I found it consistently entertaining and deeply moving. Also it's not his last film, he already has said he changed his mind on that.
Feb 7, 1:33 PM
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neoncowboy said:
I posted a film analysis on this earlier but I think that this piece was fantastic. Personally, I am also a big ghibli fan and think it is important to view this piece as a somewhat autobiographical interpretation of the studios current and past state.

For example the ships with dead people and fleet of ships with no one on board can be both nods to previous works like spirited away and the group of planes in porco Rosso with no pilots. Additionally you might watch it and find other nods to past films and the always recurring airplane motif. Because The protagonist in my opinion is also supposed to be Miyazaki, he is journeying through the many films he has created and reflecting upon his career.

Another interpretation would be that Miyazaki is the Grand Uncle and the boy protagonist is his son. In this interpretation we could view the parakeets as the obsessive fan base that “consume everything” as its stated in the film and worship Miyazaki and his work. This theory is also supported by the parallel of the protagonist being put on the chopping block by the parakeets who intended to eat him. This could be symbolic of the audience poorly reviewing tales from earth sea which was directed by Miyazakis son. Lastly Miyazaki has been searching for an heir to take over the studio and realizes that if his son doesn’t take over the studio will fall apart, similarly to the fantasy world in the movie.

It’s important to keep up with what Miyazaki has said about the film too, stating that the three creators of the studio are supposed to be the grand uncle, the heron, and the boy.

All in all I think that the movie is a show don’t tell masterwork that beautifully wraps up the work of one of cinemas all time greats. And in the end helps us deal with the fact that ghibli, a world without malice, will eventually end because one day we have to return to our reality.

Thank you for your comment here! I’m a simple passer by in this discussion, but since I watched this movie for the first only a couple days ago and still am massively impressed by it, I find it sad that a lot of people rather don’t like the movie at all. I want to say that I totally agree with your points, and I wouldn’t be able to put it into words as neatly as you, so, really, big thanks!

I would like to add up a couple of my own thoughts, too. One is that while watching the movie ending I had a strong personal feeing that the grandfather was Miyazaki himself, and the boy is the movie’s audience, so the message to the audience is that everyone can either continue seeking passively an escape in Miyazaki’s fairy movies where the kindness always wins over the evil, unlike in the real world, or instead everyone can try to take a bit of that kindness from the movies and do their best to carry it into the real world. Later I read that, indeed, the grandfather, the boy and the heron are rather considered as the movie’s creators, but I still can’t help seeing it as a personal message to every viewer.

And my other thought is that the movie resembles a lot a French classic animation “The King and the Mockingbird”, which is as well very surreal, elaborate and full of similar decadent beauty. But that’s just a personal impression.
Feb 7, 4:34 PM
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I felt the same way about it too. Glad I'm not the only one lol. It wasn't bad but wasn't his best either, my partner and I were a little bit underwhelmed by it. Bit disappointing for a Miyazaki film.
Feb 8, 9:22 AM
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I really liked it •
Feb 8, 12:16 PM
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It tried to do too many things at the same time and it just felt too confusing for no reason. I like methapors in movies but this one just expects the average viewer to know and keep track of so much stuff at the same time. They completely failed in their way to tell a story, for me at least.
Feb 8, 9:55 PM
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This movie left a better taste in my mouth as Miyazaki’s final movie and farewell than The Wind Rises did.
Feb 10, 7:07 AM
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I completely agree!!
Feb 11, 9:09 AM
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This movie was weard but i didnt dislike it at all, When watching it i realised that miyazaki do these films for himself in the fitst place and for the viewers later
Feb 29, 12:02 PM
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Couldn't tell if I'm too dumb to understand the movie or was the storyline just convoluted and the movie didn't really have a theme at all.
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Ghibli movies are always a pleasure to watch, they are a delight for the soul and eyes. And so is this movie. However that’s about it. There is nothing wrong with the movie, but more that there is nothing strong about it either. It’s like watching a kid’s dream with amazing fantasy and visuals but zero logic and coherence. It’s a 6/10 for me. I enjoyed it but if someone were to ask me to explain the movie to them, I have zero clue what happened. I would totally play this movie for a toddler and bet it will keep them entertained. This is no howl or spirit away though and ratings have to reflect it. I do not have complaints from the movie, I enjoyed watching it. I just genuinely think it’s a 6 on a scale of everything that’s out there. That doesn’t make it bad, it just isn’t unforgettable or moving or anything.
Jul 15, 7:31 AM
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Totally agreed. Starting somewhere from "The Wind Rises", I have noticed characters in Ghibl's works have no soul. Unlike all previous works, there is not much personality in characters and they are like robots. The pace is terrible as well, felt like everything is in a hurry. I believe what made Ghibli so successful, compared to other studios, is the character presentation in their work, very disappointed as a Ghibli fan.
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It's Miyazaki's worst film.
Jul 16, 4:39 AM
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same sadly. I think the world of the film is so vast that it couldn't fit into two hours, which is why it feels incomplete."






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I love this film a lot. Definitely a oscar worthy movie.
Jul 18, 4:02 AM
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It was my first ghibli movie and I loved it, the visual direction, the themes, the abstractness and the main character were very interesting and it definitely requires one more viewing for me to really understand

It reminds me of children's books like the little prince which is a style of stories I really like
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It's Miyazaki's worst film.
@Meeperso and it still won the Oscar? 😂
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@Meeperso and it still won the Oscar? 😂
@Old_School_Akira so what? Not all Oscar winning movies are great. There wasn't a good competition and it's more like a life-time achievement award when it comes to old masters in some cases. Oscar is not something to be taken that seriously. Btw, I don't think the movie doesn't deserve the Oscar nor a bad film in general. But, I don't think this is one his bests either. Like @Jagara stated there is no logic or coherence within storytelling. It is all about juxtaposition of the ideas from the imagination of Miyazaki. He wanted to present himself as a genius auteur and everybody bought it because of his well-earned fame as a director. If this were to be work of an unknown director, critics would tear it apart because of its incoherent and excessively abstract narrative.
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@Old_School_Akira so what? Not all Oscar winning movies are great. There wasn't a good competition and it's more like a life-time achievement award when it comes to old masters in some cases. Oscar is not something to be taken that seriously. Btw, I don't think the movie doesn't deserve the Oscar nor a bad film in general. But, I don't think this is one his bests either. Like @Jagara stated there is no logic or coherence within storytelling. It is all about juxtaposition of the ideas from the imagination of Miyazaki. He wanted to present himself as a genius auteur and everybody bought it because of his well-earned fame as a director. If this were to be work of an unknown director, critics would tear it apart because of its incoherent and excessively abstract narrative.
@Raiseii it deserved the Oscar for being a masterpiece.
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@Old_School_Akira so what? Not all Oscar winning movies are great. There wasn't a good competition and it's more like a life-time achievement award when it comes to old masters in some cases. Oscar is not something to be taken that seriously. Btw, I don't think the movie doesn't deserve the Oscar nor a bad film in general. But, I don't think this is one his bests either. Like @Jagara stated there is no logic or coherence within storytelling. It is all about juxtaposition of the ideas from the imagination of Miyazaki. He wanted to present himself as a genius auteur and everybody bought it because of his well-earned fame as a director. If this were to be work of an unknown director, critics would tear it apart because of its incoherent and excessively abstract narrative.
@Raiseii

An anime being abstract doesn'T mean it's bad though. And the story is coherent enough if you pay attention it simply doesn't bother to explain itself and leaves it to the viewer's interpretation. And wşith all your complai,nts you rated it 8 huh?
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This movie is good for sleeping... I had to watch through sessions cause I kept being bored.
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I posted a film analysis on this earlier but I think that this piece was fantastic. Personally, I am also a big ghibli fan and think it is important to view this piece as a somewhat autobiographical interpretation of the studios current and past state.

For example the ships with dead people and fleet of ships with no one on board can be both nods to previous works like spirited away and the group of planes in porco Rosso with no pilots. Additionally you might watch it and find other nods to past films and the always recurring airplane motif. Because The protagonist in my opinion is also supposed to be Miyazaki, he is journeying through the many films he has created and reflecting upon his career.

Another interpretation would be that Miyazaki is the Grand Uncle and the boy protagonist is his son. In this interpretation we could view the parakeets as the obsessive fan base that “consume everything” as its stated in the film and worship Miyazaki and his work. This theory is also supported by the parallel of the protagonist being put on the chopping block by the parakeets who intended to eat him. This could be symbolic of the audience poorly reviewing tales from earth sea which was directed by Miyazakis son. Lastly Miyazaki has been searching for an heir to take over the studio and realizes that if his son doesn’t take over the studio will fall apart, similarly to the fantasy world in the movie.

It’s important to keep up with what Miyazaki has said about the film too, stating that the three creators of the studio are supposed to be the grand uncle, the heron, and the boy.

All in all I think that the movie is a show don’t tell masterwork that beautifully wraps up the work of one of cinemas all time greats. And in the end helps us deal with the fact that ghibli, a world without malice, will eventually end because one day we have to return to our reality.
@neoncowboy "This could be symbolic of the audience poorly reviewing tales from earth sea which was directed by Miyazakis son"
Including Miyazaki himself who has shit all over many peoples works to the point of making them cry and basically called his son talentless but what did I expect from a Miyazaki glazer
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The first Ghibli film I was hyped for, quite disappointed myself tbh.
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This movie is good for sleeping... I had to watch through sessions cause I kept being bored.
@Marcos_Aspira

I could say the same thing for most ghibli anime

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