| Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen) |
coreynjNov 28, 2023 7:23 PM
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| I agree for this season, I don't remember it being this way in S1, though I haven't seen S1 since it aired so I could be wrong. |
| It's Morbin' Time! |
Reply to Nizamjarjin
coreynj said:
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Don't worry , you'll have even Harder time in season 3 and then you'll say the same thing about season 2 being easy to follow season 3.
And for fck sake don't even compare ds fights with JJKs because ds fights are shit compare to JJKs.
| @Nizamjarjin Personally I think both series have amazing fights with their own different style of animation, but I slightly prefer DS fights over (most) JJK fights just because of them being harder to follow. Choso vs Yuji is probably the best of this season imo and beats most DS fights. |
coreynjNov 28, 2023 8:47 PM
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| I agree, I usually get confused with fights in manga and wait for the anime to understand better. however this does not apply in this second season |
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| I'll agree with you there, I didnt fully grasp some fights in season 1 when I first watched it so I went back and rewatched it again for better fight understanding. Season 2 has been a mix. |
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| I feel the same I can’t follow half the fights this season people seem to just spawn all over the place without any regards to physics or sense. Specially this last ep18 was super messy, S1 has much much better choreography on average I feel like |
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| That's the cost of mind blowing sakuga. They are just going above and beyond and it kinda backfires. It is very annoying, that narrator literally has to come in and explain it to the audience what is happening, because we are apparently stupid. Demon Slayer did not had this problem at all. I guess MAPPA animators would agree too. For obvious reasons. Another issue is, that similarly to infamous pod racing scene from Phantom Menace, for entirety of (some) of those fights plot is on a complete standstill, which affects the pacing. |
PiromyslNov 29, 2023 10:59 PM
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More like it's pointless to follow most of the fights lol. Just useless fightings and all the boring and sometimes obvious explanations for all attacks and all the inner monologues and conversations feel pointless most of the time.
I enjoyed the starting eps till 8 ig.. From then onwards after gojo is sealed it's been super boring (atleast till ep 14, didn't watch the next eps yet).
And seriously except gojo, I feel like I won't care that much if any of the character die in this series anymore, they became so boring and plain. (Also I might care for gojo death if it happens coz hos death will have very big changes to the world, that's it.)
This is borderline shaping up to be demon slayer lol.
I enjoyed the starting eps till 8 ig.. From then onwards after gojo is sealed it's been super boring (atleast till ep 14, didn't watch the next eps yet).
And seriously except gojo, I feel like I won't care that much if any of the character die in this series anymore, they became so boring and plain. (Also I might care for gojo death if it happens coz hos death will have very big changes to the world, that's it.)
This is borderline shaping up to be demon slayer lol.
Devar5 said: And seriously expect gojo, I feel like I won't care that much if any of the character die in this series anymore, they became so boring and plain. And sadly we won't be seeing Gojo for the next 2 seasons. This was only one or one of very few characters that attracted an audience. |
dzudoKingNov 29, 2023 1:22 AM
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| that's the case for me with the manga, not a fan of those scribbles at all but the anime makes it way easier to follow. |
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| Yeah that can happen a lot. I know people love their sakuga, but sometimes simple works better. |
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coreynj said:
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Still better than one piece
| @IAmVento Care to give an example or you just wanted attention ? |
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I was just makin a joke about how the one piece animation isn’t very good most of the time. Calm down lol
| @IAmVento Why should I calm down if I am not angry in the first place ? Anyways , I am pretty sure we are discussing how confusing the fights in jjk sometimes are , not the animation quality ..... Also just to be sure animation quality ≠ animation style |
| I only have this problem in the manga not in the anime so far but definitely agree |
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coreynj said:
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Don't get me wrong- they're beautifully animated, they have masterful sound design, and the cinematography is great, but sometimes the movement of the fights is hard to follow. In the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight there was a number of times where I had difficulty figuring out how either Sukuna or Mahoraga got flung or moved to where they were located at that point in the fight. As a contrasting example, the fight of Tanjiro vs Daki and Gyutaro, it's really easy to follow the movement of the battle- all the animations are very fluid and the way they move makes sense, and no one is suddenly in another location with little-to-no explanation of how they got there. But sometimes during a fight in JJK they instead decide to have like a flash or blur of color and suddenly a character has moved like halfway across the city with no idea how they got there. I hope in future episodes they try to make the movement in the battles a bit easier to follow than the most recent one. Anyone else or am I alone in this? (Also I hope they quadruple the pay of the animators and give them a fucking month vacation for the work they've been doing, but unfortunately that probably won't happen)
Don't worry , you'll have even Harder time in season 3 and then you'll say the same thing about season 2 being easy to follow season 3.
And for fck sake don't even compare ds fights with JJKs because ds fights are shit compare to JJKs.
| @Nizamjarjin stfu for saying ds fights are worse than jjk fights. I like both anime, and JJK is easily my favorite anime of all time. But you really need to check your eyes if you think ds fights are inferior to jjk, especially the animation. |
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I think we're just conditioned to punch punch commentary dialogue explanation flashback punch punch etc format lmao, nothing wrong with allat but I can appreciate a breath of fresh air, even if I'm struggling to catch it
| @MrBoomTop10Anime I less meant the format in which the battle is set up and more the actual physical movement of the characters during the battle. |
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That's the cost of mind blowing sakuga.
They are just going above and beyond and it kinda backfires. It is very annoying, that narrator literally has to come in and explain it to the audience what is happening, because we are apparently stupid. Demon Slayer did not had this problem at all.
I guess MAPPA animators would agree too. For obvious reasons.
Another issue is, that similarly to infamous pod racing scene from Phantom Menace, for entirety of (some) of those fights plot is on a complete standstill, which affects the pacing.
They are just going above and beyond and it kinda backfires. It is very annoying, that narrator literally has to come in and explain it to the audience what is happening, because we are apparently stupid. Demon Slayer did not had this problem at all.
I guess MAPPA animators would agree too. For obvious reasons.
Another issue is, that similarly to infamous pod racing scene from Phantom Menace, for entirety of (some) of those fights plot is on a complete standstill, which affects the pacing.
Piromysl said: It is very annoying, that narrator literally has to come in and explain it to the audience what is happening, because we are apparently stupid. To be fair, that's how it is in the manga, and it's typically just to explain how a technique works. Funny enough, they actually excluded some narration that was supposed to be present after a technique Mahito used in the last episode lol. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| its the bad compositing by this guy https://myanimelist.net/people/51884/Teppei_Itou the sakuga community are often complaining about that guys compositing works since it often way darker than it should be especially on already darker scenes plus ye the censoring of blurring and ghosting are not helping either but im not sure the blu ray discs will fix it but at least no dimming and ghosting on the blu rays |
| Agreed Some cuts are skipped and hard to follow My best example is when Yuji just instantly teleported to the elevator and he just instantly teleported outside of the elevator. Also Vincen't part where Sukuna was supposed to dodge mahoraga's attacks. But in the anime, they ripped that scene and skipped that sequence instead And I am still confused how did Mahoraga get in the airplane in thunderclap 2 |
We all have shit taste, especially in animes No one's right, no one's wrong  |
| this is why I still think that Toji vs Geto is the best JJK s2 fight so far. Clear positioning and etc |
We all have shit taste, especially in animes No one's right, no one's wrong |
| They're supposed to be like that, you know, so strong that they're impossible to follow with. Like the Achilles vs Karna fight in Fate/Apocrypha |
| هیچوقت بهتر نمیشه |
| I totally agree, they work really hard on it and the animation is amazing! But sometimes I just need to rewatch the scene bcs I didn’t get where it suddenly came from or it was just going too fast. But it is only in this season, in the previous seasons it wasn’t like that. |
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| Part of it -for me at least- in the most recent episodes has to do with the pacing of the story itself, when the scale is fluctuating all over the place it's hard to be as invested in things like Mahito vs Yuji just throwing hands for half an episode Piromysl said: That's the cost of mind blowing sakuga. They are just going above and beyond and it kinda backfires. It is very annoying, that narrator literally has to come in and explain it to the audience what is happening, because we are apparently stupid. Demon Slayer did not had this problem at all. I don't think that having highly explosive sakuga to the point a narrator is somewhat needed is inherently bad. Fights like Chosou vs Yuji and Megumi & Yuji vs the old man are examples where the show had some narration/internal monologuing without compromising decent (if not too crazy) sakuga. Scenes like the Mahoraga fight are less to do with the sakuga itself and more about the different shots not flowing together properly imo |
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