Possible signs of actual problems with the production of the show

ktg said:
The problems that only 3 people saw and 30k people didn't, are not problems.
You had no actual reason why you hate the show, but still do it. You should think about your life and not about how you can hate a really good show.

RobertBobert said:
I remind you that I blacklisted you after our last dialogue, when you tried to prove to me that the reason for Prospera's crimes was a consequence of her crimes or that the students of the show were villains, therefore they deserved violence and aggression against them. And literally started insulting me when I pointed out the mental gymnastics in this. I understand that fanboys are not the most reasonable people, but this is already beyond good and evil. So you can keep trying to harass me for criticizing a show you like, but I won't be reading this.

ktg said:
The problems that only 3 people saw and 30k people didn't, are not problems.
You had no actual reason why you hate the show, but still do it. You should think about your life and not about how you can hate a really good show.

FlowVonD said:

Fr. I dk what all these people are on about.

ktg said:
The problems that only 3 people saw and 30k people didn't, are not problems.
You had no actual reason why you hate the show, but still do it. You should think about your life and not about how you can hate a really good show.

makis_idk said:

Its clear as day that the show had many production issues, to the point that they delayed episodes three times. Its not a matter of the op hating on the show, Its a fact that the show was was terrible rushed to its conclusion, and was inconsistent overall. That doesn't mean that the show itself is bad, but at the very least we can all agree that the production issues had big negative impact on the show that had great potential.

RobertBobert said:
People don't care about it. The Twitter audience is not the most intelligent people, so they quickly became passive aggressive towards any criticism, even if it comes from the staff itself, as you can see. For example, this guy went so far as to try to claim that Nadim and Eri's deaths were punishment for Prospera in the show's finale, when in fact it was the obvious REASON for her conspiracy, only to deny that Prospera had no punishment for her crimes at the end. It's just that it's very easy to dismiss everything you don't like, assuming that any questions about making the show come from hatred.

makis_idk said:

Yeah the love for the show was huge (especially from yuri fans ect) and had an impact on the discussions and criticisms towards the show. I was hyped after the ending of season 1 and throughout the first 6 episodes of season 2 was my favourite of the season. After episode 6-7 (i don't remember) all went downhill. Many plot points and conflicts were introduced and then forgotten or barely talked about, the character development was all over the place, the main conflicts other than the finales were underdeveloped to say the least and the ending was a rushed mess, with a little, everyone lived happy ever after. The show needed at least another 24 episode season to properly flesh out the remaining plotpoints and truly make a good ending. I still enjoyed the show it hurts seeing so much potential going to waste because of poor planning and production issues.

ktg said:
The problems that only 3 people saw and 30k people didn't, are not problems.
You had no actual reason why you hate the show, but still do it. You should think about your life and not about how you can hate a really good show.

Azriel-chan said:
it May be True what you say but i just Like the show it is intresting and way For me to relax and not wory about stuff For a time

PerryTShipman said:

I agree with Azriel-Chan 100% … there is a reason Mercury is scored so highly on MAL … every show has flaws but few shows can tell the story as well as Mercury, IMHO.

PerryTShipman said:

I agree with Azriel-Chan 100% … there is a reason Mercury is scored so highly on MAL … every show has flaws but few shows can tell the story as well as Mercury, IMHO.

deg said:
nah rush ending or fast pace ending episode is common in anime especially original anime because of this art concept in japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB

the production of witch from mercury is already bad since season 1 source https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2083001

and this gundam show has already been planned to be 2 cours only right from the beginning if you google news about it like here https://www.siliconera.com/gundam-the-witch-from-mercury-will-have-two-separate-cours/ or https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2048222

RobertBobert said:
It's highly rated because, until recently, only those who directly watched the show or were big anime fans rated it. As soon as it got an ending and people outside the fan base could watch it, it began to lose ratings dramatically. Not to mention, if you think it's good to tell a story, then I also hope that in the future, as few shows as possible will do it "as well".

No one denies production problems back in the first season or that it was originally announced for 2 courses. But the decline in production in the second season was so strong that people just couldn't get over the idea that someone just turned off the lights.

deg said:


did you read what i said that it was planned to be 2 cours only right from the beginning?

and again with your passive aggressive attitude im not trying to hate on you here just giving you the facts

RobertBobert said:
That is, you literally ignored my words that "no one denies this", but began to accuse me of passive aggression? Classic.

deg said:


the no one denies this comment is exactly passive aggression from you its your classic attitude

get over it you do not want to be corrected or know the facts you just want to spread hate for this show

RobertBobert said:
And now you've just decided to continue being hostile and attack me just because acknowledging a misunderstanding and a false accusation would hurt your excessively painful pride? Again, an absolute classic. Now I'm sorry, I'll add you to the blacklist again. This time seems to be forever, because you seem to be deliberately looking for an excuse to be toxic and hostile even when there is no reason for it.

ktg said:
The problems that only 3 people saw and 30k people didn't, are not problems.
You had no actual reason why you hate the show, but still do it. You should think about your life and not about how you can hate a really good show.

onespankman said:

Not really sure what people’s issue with the ending is. The ending did not seem inconsistent with the rest of the pacing to me, so I don’t understand calling it rushed.

It ties up all of the loose ends I wanted tied up, aside from the fate of that earthian terrorist group I guess, who I wanted to see a little more from.

None of this seems attributable to obvious production issues, if they did exist the studio did a great job hiding them.

There seems to be some dissonance in this discussion between the expectations of Gundam fans and those of other anime fans, some of that may be at play here.

Not up to date on this discourse fully, but that’s my read.

ForeverTraitor said:
I really don't anything about anime production but I find it really hard to believe this was the original vision for the ending. There's just so many subplots that either go nowhere or are really underdeveloped, but I do think a lot of it could have been massively improved with just two or three more episodes.

First off there's Olcott, leader of the Dawn of Fold and Kenanji recognises him as former Dominicus too. They even set him up with a tragic backstory about his son dying, but he literally never appears in the show again after episode 15.

Later in the season Guel and Kenanji return to Earth and get Shaddiq's identity from some random child. It's really weird and leads me to believe Olcott was meant to return here and interact with Guel and Kenanji but it got cut.

Speaking of Guel, his conflict with Lauda was really forced, but there's bigger issues with other characters.

Miorine gets really left behind by the plot, she doesn't get any real resolution with Delling which is baffling considering he was a massive part of her character conflict in season 1.

Also her mother hiding the shutdown code for Quiet Zero in a tomato really just comes out of nowhere. I thought they were going to reveal that Notrette found out Prospera's real motivations, was going to expose her but Prospera had Notrette killed and made it look like an accident.

But they must not have time for that so deus ex tomato i guess.

Elan 5 is the final character who's majorly shafted. He spends very little time with Norea, and most of it is her trying to kill him or telling him to go die; so while the voice actors are doing their best, their chemistry isn't very believable.

5's arc is about learning to care and fight for something, and yet he doesn't get to use Pharact in the finale. Despite being in the OP every episode, Pharact only has a minor role in the battle in episode 14. It's just another thing they didn't have time for.

Now for the ending, the big issue is it feels very incongruent with the tone of the rest of the show. No named character dies in the final two episodes.

I was expecting a bittersweet ending, I thought the show was building to Prospera finally letting Eri go, but she gets to live on as a keyring apparently, and Prospera has to face zero consequences.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is that "happy birthday" isn't used in the finale, and Witch from Mercury loves its callbacks and parallels.

I still really enjoyed the show (I consider season 1 a 10/10), but I've been binging through a rewatch and season 2's issues become really obvious when you're not waiting a whole week for each episode.

ForeverTraitor said:
I really don't anything about anime production but I find it really hard to believe this was the original vision for the ending. There's just so many subplots that either go nowhere or are really underdeveloped, but I do think a lot of it could have been massively improved with just two or three more episodes.

First off there's Olcott, leader of the Dawn of Fold  and Kenanji recognises him as former Dominicus too. They even set him up with a tragic backstory about his son dying, but he literally never appears in the show again after episode 15.

Later in the season Guel and Kenanji return to Earth and get Shaddiq's identity from some random child. It's really weird and leads me to believe Olcott was meant to return here and interact with Guel and Kenanji but it got cut.

Speaking of Guel, his conflict with Lauda was really forced, but there's bigger issues with other characters.

Miorine gets really left behind by the plot, she doesn't get any real resolution with Delling which is baffling considering he was a massive part of her character conflict in season 1.

Also her mother hiding the shutdown code for Quiet Zero in a tomato really just comes out of nowhere. I thought they were going to reveal that Notrette found out Prospera's real motivations, was going to expose her but Prospera had Notrette killed and made it look like an accident.

But they must not have time for that so deus ex tomato i guess.

Elan 5 is the final character who's majorly shafted. He spends very little time with Norea, and most of it is her trying to kill him or telling him to go die; so while the voice actors are doing their best, their chemistry isn't very believable.

5's arc is about learning to care and fight for something, and yet he doesn't get to use Pharact in the finale. Despite being in the OP every episode, Pharact only has a minor role in the battle in episode 14. It's just another thing they didn't have time for.

Now for the ending, the big issue is it feels very incongruent with the tone of the rest of the show. No named character dies in the final two episodes.

I was expecting a bittersweet ending, I thought the show was building to Prospera finally letting Eri go, but she gets to live on as a keyring apparently, and Prospera has to face zero consequences.

The thing that sticks out to me the most is that "happy birthday" isn't used in the finale, and Witch from Mercury loves its callbacks and parallels.

I still really enjoyed the show (I consider season 1 a 10/10), but I've been binging through a rewatch and season 2's issues become really obvious when you're not waiting a whole week for each episode.

O_T_T said:

• The "random child" was the same one Guel met when he was captured by the DoF.
  
• Miorine has a scene where she confronts Delling immediately after he wakes up from his coma and announces her resolve in front of him.
  
• While it's true that the connection between Notrette and Prospera is quite tenuous, the fact that the tomatoes were specifically made for Miorine by her mother was stated within the very first few episodes. Consider also that the greenhouse has been an important location for her characterisation, with the tomatoes being representative of this.
  
• El5n's story was not about learning to fight for something, it was about not throwing his life away for others' fights. He tried to get Norea to understand this, but was too late, and so he chose to live for her as well. He explicitly stated he refuses to pilot Pharact for this reason, prior to leaving for QZ.
  

I find that the majority of what you feel are "production issues" are just things you either missed or just disagree with. That "no named characters die during the ending" is a particularly silly example of this, since that would have been antithetical to what WfM was all about.

Lordbricktrick said:


You’re right. I agree with everything you said.

makis_idk said:

Its clear as day that the show had many production issues, to the point that they delayed episodes three times. Its not a matter of the op hating on the show, Its a fact that the show was was terrible rushed to its conclusion, and was inconsistent overall. That doesn't mean that the show itself is bad, but at the very least we can all agree that the production issues had big negative impact on the show that had great potential.

Bernrika said:

OP hates the show though, it mentally broke him. Anime original having production issues is hardly news, but he's trying to make a point that the show is bad because of it and the production issues are because of the yuri. he's been spamming the forum for like 2 weeks now.

Basically he took a massive L for claiming the show was yuribait and he can't stop.

RobertBobert said:
Please, more scarecrows and attempts to discuss me instead of the show. After all, it is always easier to attack an opponent and try to speculate on his motives than to directly discuss his take (I have never said anywhere that the show is bad because of yuri, even complained that it is pointlessly subtle. But this is apparently too personal for you, so you stubbornly try to reduce any of my positions to this). The main thing is not to think too much about the irony that, unlike you, I have not yet attacked anyone and did not try to connect their position with bias towards the show.

Bernrika said:
Well all you do is attack the show over your political agenda and make conspiracy theories, so it balances out!

But honestly I don't think it's healthy for you to spend week after week spamming a mal forum.

makis_idk said:

Its clear as day that the show had many production issues, to the point that they delayed episodes three times. Its not a matter of the op hating on the show, Its a fact that the show was was terrible rushed to its conclusion, and was inconsistent overall. That doesn't mean that the show itself is bad, but at the very least we can all agree that the production issues had big negative impact on the show that had great potential.

makis_idk said:
Also its not hating its critism towards the show and the terrible conclusion that it had. Because people liked it doesn't mean that you cant criticise the show and the many problems that it had. WFM had production issues from the first season, its not an opinion its a FACT. You can trace back the discussions on this app and see how early people were posting about the production issues.

ktg said:

This is pretty oxymoronic take. They delayed to avoid releasing the show with issues. That's the point of delaying. If you force them to release it, then we can talk about issues, but as you could see in other cases, they chose to release it. Indicating that - by their definition - it had no or minimal amount of mistakes.


It's 2 different things, we are talking about people who criticizing a show, because they didn't like it.
About tracing back the threads, yes, and you can see that it was always that 3-5 accounts out of thousand of people who thought they found a problem, while truly they just found something that they didn't like.