Who is the weakest among Beerus, Broly and Jiren?

Nov 7, 2022 8:13 PM

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According to what has been established it's Jiren. Broly is far stronger as he required fusion to beat and it's typically tradition for the next antagonist to be stronger than the last, aside from Beerus obviously but he's an exception.

Nov 7, 2022 9:17 PM

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Black60Dragon said:
According to what has been established it's Jiren. Broly is far stronger as he required fusion to beat and it's typically tradition for the next antagonist to be stronger than the last, aside from Beerus obviously but he's an exception.

this is cap jus because they needed fusion to defeat broly doesn't mean that he's stronger than jiren the only reason they had to fuse was cause goku and vegeta never went Ssbe or mastered ultra instinct at the time and I guarantee you that if they had they would have whooped broly. jiren has already been stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction so saying that broly is stronger makes no sense when he is nowhere near beerus.

Nov 7, 2022 9:24 PM

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Sebas989 said:

Black60Dragon said:
According to what has been established it's Jiren. Broly is far stronger as he required fusion to beat and it's typically tradition for the next antagonist to be stronger than the last, aside from Beerus obviously but he's an exception.

this is cap jus because they needed fusion to defeat broly doesn't mean that he's stronger than jiren the only reason they had to fuse was cause goku and vegeta never went Ssbe or mastered ultra instinct at the time and I guarantee you that if they had they would have whooped broly. jiren has already been stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction so saying that broly is stronger makes no sense when he is nowhere near beerus.

Yeah, and during universe survival whis said that beerus is weaker than some of the god of destructions.. And 11th universe is strongest of all so it's obvious that God of Destruction of the 11th universe is stronger than beerus...

Nov 7, 2022 10:04 PM

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Realistically the correct answer depends on whether or not the character will be needed for the plot or not

Beerus will likely always remain as that superior force that Goku and Vegeta have to surpass. He will likey be surpassed by those two when the series begins to reach its end.

Broly and Jiren on the other hand will likely be surpassed by Goku due to plot convenience. Assuming Broly is now on Goku’s side, I assume that he’ll have a part to play in future events and thus will continue to grow stronger for the convenience of the plot. In the present, Broly is likely the weakest since he lacks control over his strength.

Jiren will probably be the weakest of the three (in future arcs) since hes out of the story now. He might even get powercrept to establish a more dangerous threat in the future (Like how Hit was powercrept after the Universe 6 arc). Though, they could easily pull off a Frieza and have him return far stronger any time.

Tl;dr Beerus will remain strong unless the story wants Goku to surpass him. Broly will keep getting stronger but will probably be surpassed and become weaker than Goku at some point. Jiren will stay weak or irrelevant unless the story needs him again, if he appears again he’ll probably be stronger or as strong as Goku at that point. So for now, Broly is probably the weakest but in the future, Jiren will take that spot unless the story needs him to be strong.

Nov 7, 2022 11:29 PM

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taking in consideration the last movie, I'd say that it's Jiren, because Broly has been training with Vegeta and Goku un beerus' planet

Nov 7, 2022 11:30 PM

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Broly he strong but jiren and beerus experienced

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Nov 8, 2022 12:28 PM

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Sebas989 said:

Black60Dragon said:
According to what has been established it's Jiren. Broly is far stronger as he required fusion to beat and it's typically tradition for the next antagonist to be stronger than the last, aside from Beerus obviously but he's an exception.

this is cap jus because they needed fusion to defeat broly doesn't mean that he's stronger than jiren the only reason they had to fuse was cause goku and vegeta never went Ssbe or mastered ultra instinct at the time and I guarantee you that if they had they would have whooped broly. jiren has already been stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction so saying that broly is stronger makes no sense when he is nowhere near beerus.

Your logic is flawed for numerous reasons:

1. Not all Gods of Destruction are equal in power, that much is evidenced by Beerus still being stronger than Goku who made quick work of Jiren who as you pointed out is stronger than Belmod.

2. You somehow believing someone is stronger than their fusion, which makes absolutely no logical sense.

3. Broly was also introduced with quote "destructive power even greater than a god of destruction" and in the film itself quote "he may even be more powerful than Lord Beerus".

4. Disregarding the statements from the chief editor/co-writer Ushida who outright says Broly is stronger than post-ToP/Moro Arc Goku who as already pointed out is stronger than Jiren.

5. Disregarding Goku's statements in Superhero that quote "Jiren wasn't that much more powerful than the two of us (Vegeta), he just knew how to use it better". This right here already proves it because the difference in power between Goku and Broly is vast.

6. Disregarding statements from series creator/writer Akira Toriyama who thinks Broly is stronger by stating quote "even Broly" couldn't have stopped a completed Cell Max. Whereas Goku and Vegeta (mind you this is a Goku and Vegeta 3 years after the Granolah Arc) were stated to be quote "on par" with Orange Piccolo, who as we all saw was no match for even an incompleted Cell Max. Orange Piccolo also says this in the movie itself that Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't stop him.

7. Disregarding the fact that 3 years post-Granolah Arc Goku and Vegeta STILL don't want to fight Broly.

So saying this is cap and not actually forming any rational debate is just silly. There's really no evidence pointing to the contrary. Jiren was the strongest at a time, and now he's not. This is the way of Dragon Ball.

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Nov 8, 2022 12:31 PM

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El_Professor07 said:

Sebas989 said:

this is cap jus because they needed fusion to defeat broly doesn't mean that he's stronger than jiren the only reason they had to fuse was cause goku and vegeta never went Ssbe or mastered ultra instinct at the time and I guarantee you that if they had they would have whooped broly. jiren has already been stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction so saying that broly is stronger makes no sense when he is nowhere near beerus.

Yeah, and during universe survival whis said that beerus is weaker than some of the god of destructions.. And 11th universe is strongest of all so it's obvious that God of Destruction of the 11th universe is stronger than beerus...

That's actually not quite accurate. You should probably have mentioned Whis was making a joke about the fact that Universe 11's God of Destruction beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match (though in the manga version he lost to a different god in arm wrestling) which we Beerus pointed out doesn't mean anything in terms of fighting.

And interviews with Toyotaro along with Beerus' recent stuff in the manga kind of debunk this idea as it's clear Beerus is still exponentially stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

Nov 8, 2022 12:58 PM

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Black60Dragon said:

Sebas989 said:

this is cap jus because they needed fusion to defeat broly doesn't mean that he's stronger than jiren the only reason they had to fuse was cause goku and vegeta never went Ssbe or mastered ultra instinct at the time and I guarantee you that if they had they would have whooped broly. jiren has already been stated to be stronger than his own God of Destruction so saying that broly is stronger makes no sense when he is nowhere near beerus.

Your logic is flawed for numerous reasons:

1. Not all Gods of Destruction are equal in power, that much is evidenced by Beerus still being stronger than Goku who made quick work of Jiren who as you pointed out is stronger than Belmod.

2. You somehow believing someone is stronger than their fusion, which makes absolutely no logical sense.

3. Broly was also introduced with quote "destructive power even greater than a god of destruction" and in the film itself quote "he may even be more powerful than Lord Beerus".

4. Disregarding the statements from the chief editor/co-writer Ushida who outright says Broly is stronger than post-ToP/Moro Arc Goku who as already pointed out is stronger than Jiren.

5. Disregarding Goku's statements in Superhero that quote "Jiren wasn't that much more powerful than the two of us (Vegeta), he just knew how to use it better". This right here already proves it because the difference in power between Goku and Broly is vast.

6. Disregarding statements from series creator/writer Akira Toriyama who thinks Broly is stronger by stating quote "even Broly" couldn't have stopped a completed Cell Max. Whereas Goku and Vegeta (mind you this is a Goku and Vegeta 3 years after the Granolah Arc) were stated to be quote "on par" with Orange Piccolo, who as we all saw was no match for even an incompleted Cell Max. Orange Piccolo also says this in the movie itself that Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't stop him.

7. Disregarding the fact that 3 years post-Granolah Arc Goku and Vegeta STILL don't want to fight Broly.

So saying this is cap and not actually forming any rational debate is just silly. There's really no evidence pointing to the contrary. Jiren was the strongest at a time, and now he's not. This is the way of Dragon Ball.

I'm not saying is stronger than their fusion tho I'm saying that goku and vegeta had no reason to fuse in top because they had mastered ultra instinct and ssbe but in the broly movie they had a reason to cause neither goku nor vegeta went into those forms during the movie if they had those forms during broly movie broly would have got whooped. Also vice versa if u put goku and vegeta in the same condition where they had no mastered ultra instinct nor ssbe in top arc they would've had to fuse as well is all im saying also goku saying broly is might be the same level as beerus can be debunked since he hasn't even fought beerus at full power yet. also tbh what the other guy stated kinda depends if we're talking bout manga or anime cuz in the manga beerus and belmod are equal in terms of power but in anime belmod was stronger

Nov 8, 2022 8:25 PM

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Sebas989 said:

Black60Dragon said:

Your logic is flawed for numerous reasons:

1. Not all Gods of Destruction are equal in power, that much is evidenced by Beerus still being stronger than Goku who made quick work of Jiren who as you pointed out is stronger than Belmod.

2. You somehow believing someone is stronger than their fusion, which makes absolutely no logical sense.

3. Broly was also introduced with quote "destructive power even greater than a god of destruction" and in the film itself quote "he may even be more powerful than Lord Beerus".

4. Disregarding the statements from the chief editor/co-writer Ushida who outright says Broly is stronger than post-ToP/Moro Arc Goku who as already pointed out is stronger than Jiren.

5. Disregarding Goku's statements in Superhero that quote "Jiren wasn't that much more powerful than the two of us (Vegeta), he just knew how to use it better". This right here already proves it because the difference in power between Goku and Broly is vast.

6. Disregarding statements from series creator/writer Akira Toriyama who thinks Broly is stronger by stating quote "even Broly" couldn't have stopped a completed Cell Max. Whereas Goku and Vegeta (mind you this is a Goku and Vegeta 3 years after the Granolah Arc) were stated to be quote "on par" with Orange Piccolo, who as we all saw was no match for even an incompleted Cell Max. Orange Piccolo also says this in the movie itself that Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't stop him.

7. Disregarding the fact that 3 years post-Granolah Arc Goku and Vegeta STILL don't want to fight Broly.

So saying this is cap and not actually forming any rational debate is just silly. There's really no evidence pointing to the contrary. Jiren was the strongest at a time, and now he's not. This is the way of Dragon Ball.

I'm not saying is stronger than their fusion tho I'm saying that goku and vegeta had no reason to fuse in top because they had mastered ultra instinct and ssbe but in the broly movie they had a reason to cause neither goku nor vegeta went into those forms during the movie if they had those forms during broly movie broly would have got whooped. Also vice versa if u put goku and vegeta in the same condition where they had no mastered ultra instinct nor ssbe in top arc they would've had to fuse as well is all im saying also goku saying broly is might be the same level as beerus can be debunked since he hasn't even fought beerus at full power yet. also tbh what the other guy stated kinda depends if we're talking bout manga or anime cuz in the manga beerus and belmod are equal in terms of power but in anime belmod was stronger

Well, Belmod was only stronger in the anime if you ignore Beerus' debunk that by "stronger" Whis meant arm wrestling 🙃 Which I don't think is relevant to fighting, also I'm not sure why everyone keeps leaving out that important part.

Personally aside from Goku not having access to Ultra Instinct since he *hadn't mastered it, I think he chose not to use SSJ Blue Kaioken because he knew it would have been pointless. That's just how vast the difference in power was. Sure you could ignore Goku's comparison to Beerus, but Toriyama did include that line for a reason as was his statement in the reveal that Broly's destructive power was "greater than a god of destruction".

I mean even just watching the fight Broly, in base mind you, tanked a punch from SSJ God in the face. Sure yes Jiren also did the same BUT... he moved (like an inch) 😌 And unlike Jiren who has no transformations and therefore couldn't suddenly get stronger, Broly still had 2 additional transformations which is at minimum a 100x multiplier and that's not even accounting for his constant rise in power.

So Broly has better feats against stronger forms of Goku (Zenkai boost and all), better author statements, and better character statements. I think it's a pretty clear cut case that Broly is indeed more powerful than Jiren.

Nov 8, 2022 8:49 PM

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Broly < Jiren < Beerus. Broly is STRONG, but he has no discipline as a fighter and has JUST started training as one. Jiren would clap him with his strong mental and physical control of his abilities. Beerus is still top dog, because he's the obstacle to beat, and I don't believe he's going to sit down and not train himself while Jiren and Broly are leveling up.

Nov 17, 2022 6:50 PM

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I'll give my two cents. At this moment, it's Jiren. its been stated that Broly has more potential than Gohan and has been training ever since the fight. (For Beerus it's not even a challenge he beats the other two) Broly never had experience fighting with people before his fight with Vegeta and how good he did really shows how strong he just is. Therefore I think Jiren is the weakest out of the three

Oct 11, 2023 10:06 AM

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it's probably Broly, I mean we all know it's either him or Jiren. I feel like Broly easily can and likely will get stronger than Jiren, but idunno if he currently is

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