An upcoming live action adaptation of the title has been the subject of controversy due to the original work's relevance to "modern values".
| Recently, Japanese actor Yuki Matsuzaki created a twitter thread where he vehemently advocated that the upcoming live action adaptation should change the original work in favor of "modern values". Which, in his understanding, meant the removal of "homophobic and transphobic elements of the plot", as well as the mandatory casting of an Ainu girl for the role of Asirpa. Of course, this ended up in one big argument with the Japanese GK's manga and anime fandom, which, as expected, found nothing offensive in the work, and the fans responded en masse to the actor that the acting ability of the actress for the role of Asirpa is much more important than her ethnic roots. In general, everything ended with mutual accusations and I don’t think I need to retell this to anyone at all. What do you think about this? Is there anything in anime or manga that definitely needs to be censored in a live action adaptation? And is the casting for the role of Asirpa really should to be a representation?  |
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| I don't see anything offensive about this. And regarding the casting choice, I don't think it matters. If they find a good Ainu actress, that'd be cool but it shouldn't be a must. That's the point of acting, yiu don't need to be the same as the character, you need to be able to act like them. |
| wait, there's gonna be a live action? |
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| Representation or diversity is NOT a substitute for good writing. Asirpa is half Polish, yet I'm not foaming, nor insist they should find a Slavic girl to portray her. |
PiromyslNov 2, 2022 12:11 AM
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thegoishady said: wait, there's gonna be a live action? https://www.dualshockers.com/golden-kamuy-live-action-project-surprisingly-revealed/ "The announcement was made by Shueisha with the release of Golden Kamuy volume 29 on April 19, 2022, with the volume's wrap cover. Nothing else was shared as of now. Nothing on the cast and staff was revealed yet. However, we can safely assume several actors and actresses of Ainu descent, especially for Asirpa, should be cast." |
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| They just gotta stop doing live actions |
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Adampk said: I don't get what is offensive. Ofcourse acting is more important in a drama or movie. I am not sure what u mean by modern value here? He meant that the way anime and manga use queer characters for running gag and gay jokes is offensive. He also found it offensive the idea that "the Japanese do not understand the meaning of the representation of minorities in the cinema", but this is already an indirect question and has nothing to do with the original work. These are not my words, but his quote. Judging by the context, he meant the inadmissibility of offensive portrayal of minorities. |
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Ameenkawaii said: RobertBobert said: He meant that the way anime and manga use queer characters for running gag and gay jokes is offensive. He also found it offensive the idea that "the Japanese do not understand the meaning of the representation of minorities in the cinema", but this is already an indirect question and has nothing to do with the original work. These are not my words, but his quote. Judging by the context, he meant the inadmissibility of offensive portrayal of minorities. Funny thing that those "homophobic" jokes make me think that GK is one of the gayest series on par with JJBA I think the dude being woke here Well, I don't presume to judge the author's intentions, but this manga is quite popular in the Japanese gay community due to the fact that many male characters fit the bara manga ideal. Not to the level of popularity of Sailor Moon and Hibike among Japanese lesbians, but still. |
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RobertBobert said: Adampk said: I don't get what is offensive. Ofcourse acting is more important in a drama or movie. I am not sure what u mean by modern value here? He meant that the way anime and manga use queer characters for running gag and gay jokes is offensive. He also found it offensive the idea that "the Japanese do not understand the meaning of the representation of minorities in the cinema", but this is already an indirect question and has nothing to do with the original work. These are not my words, but his quote. Judging by the context, he meant the inadmissibility of offensive portrayal of minorities. Personally It looks like he is making some big stunt out of nothing tbh. Golden kamuy adaptation should obvious look like golden kamuy. There are a lot of bl manga which has live action adaptation too in japan. I am not sure why he want to change golden kamuy. Golden kamuy joke about a lot of thing tbh. Also i don't think all of will be have enough space to be added or translated in live action either, so it's really making a big deal out of nothing. As for ainu, just like above users said, acting to match the character is more important. I mean just for sake of ainu they obviously can't put a random ainu girl with no acting skill in movie. This is a very obvious thing. Sure, If a ainu actress is there with good enough acting skill to fit asirpa character, i would be a bonus. As for jp cinema, i checked his wiki. Most of his stuff are American, he doesnt seem to have done any pure japanese film or series. So he seem to be a questionable choice of person to speak about it. Anyways what does he has to do with golden kamuy live action? Is he involved in it some way? |
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Adampk said: RobertBobert said: He meant that the way anime and manga use queer characters for running gag and gay jokes is offensive. He also found it offensive the idea that "the Japanese do not understand the meaning of the representation of minorities in the cinema", but this is already an indirect question and has nothing to do with the original work. These are not my words, but his quote. Judging by the context, he meant the inadmissibility of offensive portrayal of minorities. Personally It looks like he is making some big stunt out of nothing tbh. Golden kamuy adaptation should obvious look like golden kamuy. There are a lot of bl manga which has live action adaptation too in japan. I am not sure why he want to change golden kamuy. Golden kamuy joke about a lot of thing tbh. Also i don't think all of will be have enough space to be added or translated in live action either, so it's really making a big deal out of nothing. As for ainu, just like above users said, acting to match the character is more important. I mean just for sake of ainu they obviously can't put a random ainu girl with no acting skill in movie. This is a very obvious thing. Sure, If a ainu actress is there with good enough acting skill to fit asirpa character, i would be a bonus. As for jp cinema, i checked his wiki. Most of his stuff are American, he doesnt seem to have done any pure japanese film or series. So he seem to be a questionable choice of person to speak about it. Anyways what does he has to do with golden kamuy live action? Is he involved in it some way? Yes, he has mostly token Japanese roles in American media. I don't know how popular he is, but judging by the blue tick on twitter, he has some kind of audience or reach. Perhaps these threads are for him some kind of additional attempts to promote among Western audiences, because Japanese actors usually rarely discuss politics in public due to the nature of Japanese show business. But I agree that choosing an Ainu girl for the role would be a good idea. But not as a goal in itself, when ethnic origin becomes more important than skills or talent. |
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| are we supposed to be surprised that Japanese people are racist against Ainu people and don't give a fuck about their representation in the media? nope. It's systemic, as the anime and manga has shown. obviously it would be btter if Asirpa was played by an Ainu actress, but that would require a director and producers to actually care enough to put in the effort to find an Ainu actress in the first place. which the won't bother to do |
demisionNov 2, 2022 3:16 AM
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demision said: are we supposed to be surprised that Japanese people are racist against Ainu people and don't give a fuck about their representation in the media? nope. It's systemic, as the anime and manga has shown. obviously it would be btter if Asirpa was played by an Ainu actress, but that would require a director and producers to actually care enough to put in the effort to find an Ainu actress in the first place. which the won't bother to do This is not Twitter, ma'am. |
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Emotheviper said: But looking at the comments anime watchers don’t actually care about any of that and don’t care if a Japanese person is playing the role of an Ainu person (which is hilarious because the same people were angry when a White woman played the role of a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell and don’t say this is different because it anit) which is a shame but go on to YouTube and find the quote from Denzel Washington about if a White person can direct a Black film and see why having people from that culture (if they are still around) can elevate the film While u are kind of right, personally Scarlett Johansson was perfect for Motoko Kusanagi from gits imo (screenplay was the true problem of that movie.). It worked for Lucy with similar concept which is not directly related to any ip. Funny enough even original gits movie was a flop and same are original anime movie it did better in home media. More plot faithful ones like alita (which is faithful to anime version) and bullet train are better received and success despite the whitewashing backlash too |
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Adampk said: Emotheviper said: But looking at the comments anime watchers don’t actually care about any of that and don’t care if a Japanese person is playing the role of an Ainu person (which is hilarious because the same people were angry when a White woman played the role of a Japanese woman in Ghost in the Shell and don’t say this is different because it anit) which is a shame but go on to YouTube and find the quote from Denzel Washington about if a White person can direct a Black film and see why having people from that culture (if they are still around) can elevate the film While u are kind of right, personally Scarlett Johansson was perfect for Motoko Kusanagi from gits imo (screenplay was the true problem of that movie). It worked for Lucy with similar concept which is not directly related to any ip. Well, even original gits movie was a flop lol. More plot faithful ones like alita (which is faithful to anime version) and bullet train are better received and success despite the whitewashing backlash too Was Bullet Train also an adaptation of some manga? |
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RobertBobert said: Adampk said: While u are kind of right, personally Scarlett Johansson was perfect for Motoko Kusanagi from gits imo (screenplay was the true problem of that movie). It worked for Lucy with similar concept which is not directly related to any ip. Well, even original gits movie was a flop lol. More plot faithful ones like alita (which is faithful to anime version) and bullet train are better received and success despite the whitewashing backlash too Was Bullet Train also an adaptation of some manga? it's a adaptation of JP novel Maria Beetle by Kotarō Isaka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Train_(novel) |
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Adampk said: it's a adaptation of JP novel Maria Beetle by Kotarō Isaka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Train_(novel) So, they actually took a Japanese book and made some of the characters gaijin? |
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RobertBobert said: Adampk said: it's a adaptation of JP novel Maria Beetle by Kotarō Isaka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Train_(novel) So, they actually took a Japanese book and made some of the characters gaijin? Yes, all people were japanese in original novel |
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And someone was furious about it? It's an American adaptation, so I think turning the story into gaijing bingo wasn't particularly painful in this case. |
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| yes, quite a bit of Asian americans https://rafu.com/2022/08/manaa-blasts-whitewashed-bullet-train-calls-out-actress/ |
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| Live action adaptations don’t have a really good track record and I’m being kind. So good luck with that. The actor is entitled to his opinion and so are the fans of GK. At least Japanese entertainment tries to actually get built in fan’s excited while trying to bring in a larger audience with varying effectiveness. Contrast that to the west where it’s a woke wasteland of garbage. Part of the reason I don’t watch anything but anime with some minor exceptions (sports). That actor that started the thread should move to LA and help out some of the people that identify as trees now to get casted for some of the wooded areas. |
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| I dont get how someone saying an actor should be the same race as their character turned into such a big deal, especially when indigenous people in Japan already don't get a lot of representation in japanese media. Based Yuki Matsuzaki |
| im gonna singlehandedly cancel this project if they dont use polish actors for the appropriate characters‼️‼️ |
Jasotaku01 said: L01MK said: Nobody gives a F,speacially the japan bruhh.im gonna singlehandedly cancel this project if they dont use polish actors for the appropriate characters‼️‼️ my post was a joke. it would've been more obvious if this site didn't format the obnoxious red double exclamation mark emoji I used into regular exclamation marks |
Adampk said: yes, quite a bit of Asian americans https://rafu.com/2022/08/manaa-blasts-whitewashed-bullet-train-calls-out-actress/ Is it just me, or do Asian Americans often make too much of a fuss about things that Asian people themselves ignore? |
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