| I'm a Gundam super fan. I was excited when this got announced because it's the first Gundam series I've ever watched as it aired. I remembered watching Iron Blooded Orphans and started this series with the hopes It'd be similar to some degree however after learning the school setting is there to appease teenagers I began to fear we might not see the gritty death and chaos the Gundam series is familiar with. Its only the first few episodes so we'll see. As of episode 5 it's been very very slow with building any intrigue. We have no goal as of yet nor do we have an established antagonist. While Suletta is likeable this series is not keeping me engaged. Hopefully it improves... soon!! |
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Damolisher said: Yeah, it doesn't really seem to have a hell of a lot of plot. We've got a lot of crazies who aren't Gundam fans making up a plot in their heads and it's why they're watching this series, but it's very, very slow so far. Being engaged with the show and speculating whats going on, as opposed to being disappointed we havent seen enough death and destruction yet? Its interesting, because too much death and destruction right away (and zero fucks given about the why) is what made me drop Unicorn and why I havent bothered with most other Gundam shows. I'd rather see slower build up but also more natural war and death then just ''well people die its war LOL'' for the sake of death and destruction and drama. Muv Luv (the VN, not the non-existent anime adaptation) started with a stories worth of full time slice of life (as in, no mechas, no politics, no war or death whatsoever) and ended up being one of the best mecha (and war) stories around. A large part of the reason why is because it had crazy worldbuilding and character development before the actual war and stuff happend. Will this anime come close to that, or will it stay far behind? Too early to tell, but im completely fine with the overall plot moving slower in favor of better worldbuilding. That said, its already been mentioned this show would be controversial among the Gundam fanbase. Not surprised to see its especially a certain subset of Gundam fans that seem to dislike the show the most. |
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| Quite disappointed tbh with the overall season so far. At first I was excited but it's just been extremely slow. I think it'll pick up after episode 6/7 though. |
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| Will wait for the cour to be done before judging~ Some Gundam anime has slow starts: Gundam ZZ is goofy for the first 19 episodes before turning into a 10/10 anime in episode 20. Turn A Gundam has pacing issues in the episodes 10s, 20s. Build Divers Re:Rose becomes interesting at episode 13. Not surprised at how this series goes. Okouchi, the scriptwriter, has a history of being obsessed with forcing high school drama into a war story when it has no reason to be there. Quite surprised he did not force high school drama into Turn A Gundam, probably because Tomino wrote the script for Turn A Gundam. XD |
Vaguelyweebish said: You summed up my feelings for this show better than I did. You made valid points regarding live ammunition and the lack of them actually attending classes despite it taking place at a school. I'm not feeling this show right now.I'm not sure what annoys me more about this show: The fact that they don't seem to attend many classes in this school, the fact that they use live ammunition during duels (and the fact that the duels exist at all as a way to further the plot despite them largely feeling inconsequential), or that virtually no actual plot has happened. I'm not asking for huge amounts of grit and death and destruction, I just want proper worldbuilding and true intrigue from the characters' motivations besides, "Who can win the heart of Stuttering Tomato first?" And the villain's motivation is basically, "Robots shouldn't kill people. People should kill people!" Right, so you go and murder an entire laboratory staff for that ideology. |
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| I do like this show but I agree the real plot seems to be very well hidden as of yet. Obviously there is some scheming going on with the companies, but I would have liked to see more about the space colonies, conditions on earth and also backstory to the gundams and their witches. Talking about "its a gundam! Is she a witch?" feels pointless when there is no point of reference for what that means. I guess if this is going to be 2 double cours the slow pacing is fine, but if its just 2 single cours this is really too slow, we are 1/5th done in that case and have yet to see anything relevant. The overall lighthearted atmosphere is rather unique, most Gundams are gritty or atleast serious from the start. But I would like to see atleast a little more plot. My biggest issue is the setting, I dig the school setting, its basic for anime but unique for gundam. However it seems too much like a TV teenage drama. You have the nerds, the popular kids, the rich kids, the bullied kids. The cast around Suletta seems a bit too "autistic" for me. Also, this is a school setting, yet we have only ever seen a single class. Having a history lesson to give us worldbuilding on backstory for what witches are is a perfect excuse for a big lore drop. |
Comander-07Oct 31, 2022 4:51 AM
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Cypress- said: While Suletta is likeable LOL dat bait. Come on. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
zennino said: Where does it say it's 50 episodes? Also can you point out the foreshadowing you mentioned because I missed it. Lastly just because the author or writers other works have death and sadness don't mean everything they work on willI'm not a fan of Gundam and I don't know much about it, but I'm disagree with what you're saying because first it only in episode 5 and it's a 50-episode anime and it's really soon to judge it but it's already forshadowing that there will be a lot of drama and death in athe future, and also I saw two other animes written by the author of this anime and both have a heavy drama and a rather sad ending. |
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Binex13 said: My thoughts exactly 😂They took all the popular tropes in today's modern anime (yuri/yaoi, harem, self insert mc, school setting, teen drama) and threw it into a gundam show to try to attact and appease new viewers. Just need a few ecchi shots and we have ourselves anime of the year supposedly |
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Cypress- said: zennino said: Where does it say it's 50 episodes? Also can you point out the foreshadowing you mentioned because I missed it. Lastly just because the author or writers other works have death and sadness don't mean everything they work on willI'm not a fan of Gundam and I don't know much about it, but I'm disagree with what you're saying because first it only in episode 5 and it's a 50-episode anime and it's really soon to judge it but it's already forshadowing that there will be a lot of drama and death in athe future, and also I saw two other animes written by the author of this anime and both have a heavy drama and a rather sad ending. Prologue episode had a bunch of deaths. We've seen oppression on earth. Mobile Suits being used to suppress rioters. First episode had an assassination attempt. Those are the ones I remember from the top of my head. I'm amazed you managed to ''miss'' those. I'm guessing you didnt watch the prologue. Binex13 said: They took all the popular tropes in today's modern anime (yuri/yaori, harem, self insert mc, school setting, teen drama) and threw it into a gundam show to try to attract and appease new viewers. Just need a few ecchi shots and we have ourselves anime of the year supposedly Yeah they definately did that. Just look at all the Isekai and Shonen tropes. /s They certainly did add a few extra tags so it would gain more widespread appeal, but to say they took all the popular tropes is far from true. Also, interesting you'd group yuri & yaoi together. Not sure how many people would agree with that one. |
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| [quote=Elinchayiel message=67863796] Cypress- said: zennino said: Where does it say it's 50 episodes? Also can you point out the foreshadowing you mentioned because I missed it. Lastly just because the author or writers other works have death and sadness don't mean everything they work on willI'm not a fan of Gundam and I don't know much about it, but I'm disagree with what you're saying because first it only in episode 5 and it's a 50-episode anime and it's really soon to judge it but it's already forshadowing that there will be a lot of drama and death in athe future, and also I saw two other animes written by the author of this anime and both have a heavy drama and a rather sad ending. Prologue episode had a bunch of deaths. We've seen oppression on earth. Mobile Suits being used to suppress rioters. First episode had an assassination attempt. Those are the ones I remember from the top of my head. I'm amazed you managed to ''miss'' those. I'm guessing you didnt watch the prologue. I did watch the prologue but to be honest I didn't remember it |
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zennino said: I'm not a fan of Gundam and I don't know much about it, but I'm disagree with what you're saying because first it only in episode 5 and it's a 50-episode anime and it's really soon to judge it but it's already forshadowing that there will be a lot of drama and death in athe future, and also I saw two other animes written by the author of this anime and both have a heavy drama and a rather sad ending. It's not a 50-episode anime. That was never said, you just made that up. |
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GoatChan said: zennino said: I'm not a fan of Gundam and I don't know much about it, but I'm disagree with what you're saying because first it only in episode 5 and it's a 50-episode anime and it's really soon to judge it but it's already forshadowing that there will be a lot of drama and death in athe future, and also I saw two other animes written by the author of this anime and both have a heavy drama and a rather sad ending. It's not a 50-episode anime. That was never said, you just made that up. It's assumed because all the big major AU Gundams have had around 50 episodes but yeah we only have 26 episodes confirmed. Still the slow start to me indicates it's going to be longer. HyakuShikiSilver said: Damolisher said: Mate, I wouldn't even say it's the Gundam name keeping that rating up. It's the number of fat girls who don't even like Gundam hyperventilating because they've used circumstantial evidence to claim your mains are lesbians. The yuri just gave the sjws gundam as a brand as a rallying point for them to continue to attack male dominated anime. You are pretty much not allowed to like anything with fanservice, harem, or a strong male character anymore (even if it isn't a polygamy harem) otherwise they would call you the p word. If we criticize this show, we get called and ist and a phobe, and toxic masc. The gundam and anime fandom is under attack by radicals from anime news network. Yeah we have one Gundam series that has a FMC and that means you can't like male dominated anime anymore lol. Who gives a shit about ANN beyond their database lol. Only insane twitter people care about this shit. Maybe you should stop assuming anyone who is enjoying the show currently isn't some stereotypical woke activist you made up in your mind. HyakuShikiSilver said: remove the gundam name, and the rating will fall to a 6 like kyoukai senki. So suletta is now as good as amuro and kira at their prime? This kid had no issue using funnels which took amuro after the oyw and kira after the first alliance-plant war to awaken. Yet she has trouble speaking properly. There is no romance between Suletta and Miorine just like Chisato and Takino. Compare that to Amuro/Sayla, Kamille/Four, Arhtrun/Cagalli, Kira/Lacus. Also the char clone looks to have killed the mystery already since she had no problem removing her mask in from of randos. Something that Rau never did. Ultimately this series won't have the gundam feeling since it completely lacks the war element and so far there feels like there are no stakes. The third series in this franchise pretty much started off like this. It just sucked at the SOL elements, comedy and character development unlike Witch. The series has already teased the war and political drama stuff and will eventually get into it with time. Finally why are we comparing tech of the UC timeline to this one? Or protags that have had two different levels of experiance? |
BilboBaggins365Oct 31, 2022 5:14 PM
HyakuShikiSilver said: remove the gundam name, and the rating will fall to a 6 like kyoukai senki. So suletta is now as good as amuro and kira at their prime? This kid had no issue using funnels which took amuro after the oyw and kira after the first alliance-plant war to awaken. Yet she has trouble speaking properly. There is no romance between Suletta and Miorine just like Chisato and Takino. Compare that to Amuro/Sayla, Kamille/Four, Arhtrun/Cagalli, Kira/Lacus. Also the char clone looks to have killed the mystery already since she had no problem removing her mask in from of randos. Something that Rau never did. Ultimately this series won't have the gundam feeling since it completely lacks the war element and so far there feels like there are no stakes. Char literally took off his mask in episode 2 of the original show and Rau was an edgy tryhard. Prospera takes her mask off in front of people in her inner circle and her own daughter. Jesus Yamato was infinitely more of a Mary Sue than Suletta could ever hope to be, at least she's fun to watch in comparison. And this series "not feeling like Gundam" is a weird criticism considering that's the point of an AU in the first place, taking Gundam's themes and transposing them into new settings with different executions, as seen with G Gundam which was literally tournament fights, something that Tomino himself signed off on. Back to Witch, there are literal class tensions in the background of the show that are inevitably gonna come more to the forefront and there's the classic "adults are the enemy" mindset from Gundam so it's obviously building to something. You're complaining for the sake of complaining. HyakuShikiSilver said: Damolisher said: Mate, I wouldn't even say it's the Gundam name keeping that rating up. It's the number of fat girls who don't even like Gundam hyperventilating because they've used circumstantial evidence to claim your mains are lesbians. The yuri just gave the sjws gundam as a brand as a rallying point for them to continue to attack male dominated anime. You are pretty much not allowed to like anything with fanservice, harem, or a strong male character anymore (even if it isn't a polygamy harem) otherwise they would call you the p word. If we criticize this show, we get called and ist and a phobe, and toxic masc. The gundam and anime fandom is under attack by radicals from anime news network. Gundam was never "male dominated" it's had a strong female fanbase since the original show which Tomino himself acknowledges over the gunpla boom, your culture war shit is dumb. |
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Snuffleskin said: HyakuShikiSilver said: remove the gundam name, and the rating will fall to a 6 like kyoukai senki. So suletta is now as good as amuro and kira at their prime? This kid had no issue using funnels which took amuro after the oyw and kira after the first alliance-plant war to awaken. Yet she has trouble speaking properly. There is no romance between Suletta and Miorine just like Chisato and Takino. Compare that to Amuro/Sayla, Kamille/Four, Arhtrun/Cagalli, Kira/Lacus. Also the char clone looks to have killed the mystery already since she had no problem removing her mask in from of randos. Something that Rau never did. Ultimately this series won't have the gundam feeling since it completely lacks the war element and so far there feels like there are no stakes. Char literally took off his mask in episode 2 of the original show and Rau was an edgy tryhard. Prospera takes her mask off in front of people in her inner circle and her own daughter. Jesus Yamato was infinitely more of a Mary Sue than Suletta could ever hope to be, at least she's fun to watch in comparison. And this series "not feeling like Gundam" is a weird criticism considering that's the point of an AU in the first place, taking Gundam's themes and transposing them into new settings with different executions, as seen with G Gundam which was literally tournament fights, something that Tomino himself signed off on. Back to Witch, there are literal class tensions in the background of the show that are inevitably gonna come more to the forefront and there's the classic "adults are the enemy" mindset from Gundam so it's obviously building to something. You're complaining for the sake of complaining. HyakuShikiSilver said: The yuri just gave the sjws gundam as a brand as a rallying point for them to continue to attack male dominated anime. You are pretty much not allowed to like anything with fanservice, harem, or a strong male character anymore (even if it isn't a polygamy harem) otherwise they would call you the p word. If we criticize this show, we get called and ist and a phobe, and toxic masc. The gundam and anime fandom is under attack by radicals from anime news network. Gundam was never "male dominated" it's had a strong female fanbase since the original show which Tomino himself acknowledges over the gunpla boom, your culture war shit is dumb. Yeah this is something alot of gundam tourists have no idea about and are only hopping on to some dumb twitter drama over the yuri that exists exclusively in english speaking areas whereas in japan they are just going "oh sweet utena". Char and Amuro were pretty much THE fujoshi groundwork and the way zeta and CCA wrote them waqs like you quesiton if they were gay. Like they arent, but they were made to appear that way in tomino's words (at least for CCA he said that but zeta is hilariously gay). I think its part of the reason some of them are looked down on, but its no coincidence some of the most popular entries like wing, the seeds, and 00 are all really blatently going for that fujoshi market where as stuff like Turn-A, and X sandwiched between them are exponentially less popular overall. I mean for fuck sakes look at 00's 2nd ed they knew who they were aiming for. Theres alot of starts I really like such as Turn-A because of how slow and deliberate it was, but I think outside of like zeta this series really doesnt have any truly gripping starts and usually takes a few episodes to get going. I was frankly shocked at finding out 00 had it one of the worst given its more mainstream popularity outside the fanbase that shit was so messy until like episode 8 onwards and even popping my head in at episode discussions from the time had people saying it was really bland and slow. Guess people had more patience with seasonals back in 07. Its why I'm trying to be patient with G-witch here but the thing thats making more anxious is the length, at the moment its only got 26 episodes confirmed not 50 and that does GREATLY change my expectations. Lets say the school setting starts changing around episode 7 or 8 to parallels when 00 started picking up. In a 50 eopisode show thats not great but it means it started to pick up before the 1/5th mark and we got a very large chunk of episodes to enjoy afterword's making it feel less like a problem in retrospect once you get past that. But for a 26 episode show we are already passing that threshold of the story right now and we wont have that many episodes to explore the outside world if we even get that once we do making a good chnk of the series feeling trapped in these dumb duels HyakuShikiSilver said: remove the gundam name, and the rating will fall to a 6 like kyoukai senki.. I really think this is the wrong franchise to make this argument for, some of the most beloved entries are near unrecognizable in tone and approach like G, X, and Turn-A and even stuff that is recognizable on the surface like IBO going so far out of the way of the typical formula that it very easily could of just changed a few details and not been a gundam series. If it werent for stuff like wing, and the seeds being so heavily tied to recreating moments from the UC as a pseudo remake of both people wouldnt really even view the AU's as being all that close to the UC gundam at all and even only with the UC gundam Tomino was very deliberate to not repeat himself between entries aside from reusing aborted ideas of F91 in victory What makes a gundam a gundam, is literally just the tropes and having a gundam in it, its better that it at least own that and try new shit than do another UC clone |
JizzyHitlerNov 2, 2022 3:15 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I'm not gonna lie, the prologue has done a better plot to set the stakes in 25 min than the series did with 5 episodes. I have a bad feeling about next episode, I fear Elan will get a free card for using a gundam while Suletta had to go through shit. I don't dislike it, but I wouldn't be against more political building. But no, the question seem to be shipping. |
Turtles_Hunter said: I agree, the prologue had more world building and intrigue in its runtime than the 5 episodes we've gotten thus far. Yeah the team making the Anime seems more interested in the many romances than actual plot progression.I'm not gonna lie, the prologue has done a better plot to set the stakes in 25 min than the series did with 5 episodes. I have a bad feeling about next episode, I fear Elan will get a free card for using a gundam while Suletta had to go through shit. I don't dislike it, but I wouldn't be against more political building. But no, the question seem to be shipping. |
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| The pacing of each episode is great. There's no useless long shot, boring frozen frame, or weird slow dialogues to waste episode time like you can find in many other shows. It's dynamic. And well directed. The animation is flawless, excellent use of CGI for the mechas and other machines. Seamless and well blended with the 2D, unlike the CSM experiment. The orchestral score is beautiful, epic, heroic, and again, dynamic! Each episode has introduced characters in a pretty subtle way, setting up the lore and the stakes. The whole setting and duel thing are refreshing.It's a bit lighthearted, yeah. I didn't expect it to be like any other Gundam, I don't expect it to be linear either. The plot is not groundbreaking so far, that's why I only gave it a 7 for now. But it's still one of the most pleasing anime to watch this season. I didn't get bored for a second. I don't mind high school drama or any theme, when the overall production value alone is worth it. The characters are ok so far... If the story steps up, there is potential for anime of the season!! Forget about Chainsaw Mid and My Overrated Academia, this is the anime of the year right here if everything goes according to the plan. (wild take) |
Elinchayiel said: Damolisher said: Yeah, it doesn't really seem to have a hell of a lot of plot. We've got a lot of crazies who aren't Gundam fans making up a plot in their heads and it's why they're watching this series, but it's very, very slow so far. Being engaged with the show and speculating whats going on, as opposed to being disappointed we havent seen enough death and destruction yet? Its interesting, because too much death and destruction right away (and zero fucks given about the why) is what made me drop Unicorn and why I havent bothered with most other Gundam shows. I'd rather see slower build up but also more natural war and death then just ''well people die its war LOL'' for the sake of death and destruction and drama. Muv Luv (the VN, not the non-existent anime adaptation) started with a stories worth of full time slice of life (as in, no mechas, no politics, no war or death whatsoever) and ended up being one of the best mecha (and war) stories around. A large part of the reason why is because it had crazy worldbuilding and character development before the actual war and stuff happend. Will this anime come close to that, or will it stay far behind? Too early to tell, but im completely fine with the overall plot moving slower in favor of better worldbuilding. That said, its already been mentioned this show would be controversial among the Gundam fanbase. Not surprised to see its especially a certain subset of Gundam fans that seem to dislike the show the most. I hope you're right because it seems to really be taking this route. I mean, IBO didn't even have fights every episode, it had 2-3 episode chunks where it focused on characters and politics, and that's fine. The horrors and chaos of war could easily come later once the cold War between houses inevitably becomes a shooting war. It would suck a little if it stayed an episodic high school SoL, but the Prologue exists and the politics have clearly indicated a linear escalation that doesn't just involve the school. I think we need to step back and realize we're only an eighth through the story. Steins;Gate didn't even get crazy until halfway, because it focused on its core first--the scifi mystery and the characters. G-Witch is doing that with its politics, transhumanism, world, and characters, just in a way that would draw in modern anime watchers. Tl:dr: not every show needs to be as fast paced as demon slayer, be patient. Even war in the pocket started slow with a dark prologue |
BlossomBurstNov 7, 2022 4:24 PM
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BlossomBurst said: I hope you're right because it seems to really be taking this route. I mean, IBO didn't even have fights every episode, it had 2-3 episode chunks where it focused on characters and politics, and that's fine. The horrors and chaos of war could easily come later once the cold War between houses inevitably becomes a shooting war. It would suck a little if it stayed an episodic high school SoL, but the Prologue exists and the politics have clearly indicated a linear escalation that doesn't just involve the school. I think we need to step back and realize we're only an eighth through the story. Steins;Gate didn't even get crazy until halfway, because it focused on its core first--the scifi mystery and the characters. G-Witch is doing that with its politics, transhumanism, world, and characters, just in a way that would draw in modern anime watchers. Tl:dr: not every show needs to be as fast paced as demon slayer, be patient. Even war in the pocket started slow with a dark prologue My best example for a slow build up is still Muv Luv (the VN rather then anime). Where an entire slice of life novel, and an entire war romance (without the actual war) were build up for one of the best mecha stories ever made. Steins;Gate being based on a VN is like that for the same reason. I dont think expect this story will be near that amazing. But having played a lot of games and VN's, I can see the value in starting slower. I'm hope im right too, haha. If it stays episodic school s&l it would be disappointing for me as well. I'm actually a bit worried the pacing for episodes so far has been a bit too high, even. |
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