86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
| well, you see different things on the internet, after all there are people who like to be peed on, and there are people who dislike part 2, so nothing surprising. but seriously, why, its at least on the same level with part 1, if not better |
| i prefer part 1 by quite a bit so i get where they’re coming from |
| I don't know about the trend you're talking about but I'll just spit my thoughts about the anime. 86 was never been good. Part 2 deceives you with the dual narrative that didn't portray realistic elements but simply so you could even sympathize more to the cast. World building is literally non existent and again screw the rest of the cast, let's keep centering Shin our cool self-insert and gave him the ability to hear GHOST in FUTURISTIC MECHANICAL setting, wtf. In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war. Edited 3 September 2022 : To potential reader who was angered by my thoughts and have prepared fingers on keyboard while breathing heavily to insult me with all of your energy and vocab knowledge regarding every swear words, there is no need. I already had a long discussion here. Your welcome. |
AruchemistSep 3, 2022 8:54 AM
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| I love both parts a dummasss who don't understand from the beginning only they will hate this part 2.....TBH I. don't care about others if they want to miss a masterpiece then that's there fault.... |
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| It’s the opposite. More people like part 2. What people didn’t like was the delay due to production issues |
MizuXArt said: MarukaiSami said: part 2 is so much better , show went from a 6 to a 7 bc of it it went from an 8 to a 9** Absolutely this is true. Also, Shin’s side of the story was better than Lena’s imo, though I also like Lena |
 I have no idea as I don't even know "a lot of people" dislike part 2, it's just as good as part 1 if you ask me. |
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| I don’t dislike part 2, I just don’t enjoy 86 part 2 as much as other anime (such as Macross)~ What I like about 86 is what comes after the anime ends, from LN Volume 4 onwards. EDIT: I guess everyone likes Lena and she barely appears in part 2. In volume 4, the focus goes to Annette and her relationship with Shin. Volume 5 and 6 are dark. Volume 7 is romance. Dustin best character for that volume. Volume 8 and 9 are dark. Focus is Theo, Shana, Shiden. Volume 10 is about Shin’s past. Annette’s best line. “You are so pretty! You are going to snatch him away!” My favourite character is Shiden, followed by Raiden. Not Shin nor Lena~ |
NewestPersonHereAug 27, 2022 1:06 AM
| Part 2 is a lot better it’s just people trying to be different |
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Aruchemist said: I don't know about the trend you're talking about but I'll just spit my thoughts about the anime. 86 was never been good. Part 2 deceives you with the dual narrative that didn't portray realistic elements but simply so you could even sympathize more to the cast. World building is literally non existent and again screw the rest of the cast, let's keep centering Shin our cool self-insert and gave him the ability to hear GHOST in FUTURISTIC MECHANICAL setting, wtf. In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war. You sure have a bad taste of Anime. Overflow is a good option for you. This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic.  |
| The ending of part 2 is great and I loved it but I prefer the part 1 in terms of the battles and story! |
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7044 said: Aruchemist said: I don't know about the trend you're talking about but I'll just spit my thoughts about the anime. 86 was never been good. Part 2 deceives you with the dual narrative that didn't portray realistic elements but simply so you could even sympathize more to the cast. World building is literally non existent and again screw the rest of the cast, let's keep centering Shin our cool self-insert and gave him the ability to hear GHOST in FUTURISTIC MECHANICAL setting, wtf. In the end, this is simply a drama of Shin and Mary Sue relationship but seasoned with false depiction of war. You sure have a bad taste of Anime. Overflow is a good option for you. This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic. "You sure have a bad taste of Anime." Ad hominem, has nothing to do with my points. Also it's funny for you to insult my taste when I have 0.00 mean score and 0 anime favorites. Not once I've insulted people who liked 86 in my points, just shows how immature you are. "This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic." It doesn't matter what genre it is, but the portrayal of it's themes and does it has realistic approaches or not defines something to be good or not. I can fuck with my logic and you can fuck with your shit taste (literally look at your favorites, I'm not making this up), that's fine. Instead of attacking me with baseless insults, why don't you try to debunk my points? Of course you can't and you will just attack me personally again either like "lmao ur so stupid this is just anime why take it seriously lol fk urself idiot". You are clearly a subhuman dumbo whose born from mommy's and daddy's failure hence why you can't comprehend what I'm talking about. Cry about it. |
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Aruchemist said: So which anime do you think is realistic Attack on titan? One piece? Rent a girlfriend? Which anime?7044 said: You sure have a bad taste of Anime. Overflow is a good option for you. This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic. "You sure have a bad taste of Anime." Ad hominem, has nothing to do with my points. Also it's funny for you to insult my taste when I have 0.00 mean score and 0 anime favorites. Not once I've insulted people who liked 86 in my points, just shows how immature you are. "This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic." It doesn't matter what genre it is, but the portrayal of it's themes and does it has realistic approaches or not defines something to be good or not. I can fuck with my logic and you can fuck with your shit taste (literally look at your favorites, I'm not making this up), that's fine. Instead of attacking me with baseless insults, why don't you try to debunk my points? Of course you can't and you will just attack me personally again either like "lmao ur so stupid this is just anime why take it seriously lol fk urself idiot". You are clearly a subhuman dumbo whose born from mommy's and daddy's failure hence why you can't comprehend what I'm talking about. Cry about it. Which Anime you liked the most? Tell me. |
7044 said: Aruchemist said: So which anime do you think is realistic Attack on titan? One piece? Rent a girlfriend? Which anime?"You sure have a bad taste of Anime." Ad hominem, has nothing to do with my points. Also it's funny for you to insult my taste when I have 0.00 mean score and 0 anime favorites. Not once I've insulted people who liked 86 in my points, just shows how immature you are. "This is Mecha and sci-fi man .try to understand. Go and F* with your logic." It doesn't matter what genre it is, but the portrayal of it's themes and does it has realistic approaches or not defines something to be good or not. I can fuck with my logic and you can fuck with your shit taste (literally look at your favorites, I'm not making this up), that's fine. Instead of attacking me with baseless insults, why don't you try to debunk my points? Of course you can't and you will just attack me personally again either like "lmao ur so stupid this is just anime why take it seriously lol fk urself idiot". You are clearly a subhuman dumbo whose born from mommy's and daddy's failure hence why you can't comprehend what I'm talking about. Cry about it. Which Anime you liked the most? Tell me. I like FMAB. I will answer your questions while still being relevant to 86 without spoiling anything from FMAB as possible. For me even just one of the event from the whole story, Ishvalan War, manages to present war better than 86 when this is just a secondary from FMAB. What differs Ishvalan War from 86 is that how diverse the cast was written. 86 is centering Shin and Lena all the time, having useless side characters for their characterization and it was not even good. You could argue about Shin's morality as why did he killed his own friend with no feeling? Is he good or bad? Does he has human feelings? But it was not presented that way. When you were watching those scenes, the first thing that came into your mind is 'Wow Shin is so cool and bad ass." No one will question his morality because the narrative was presented that Shin is on the RIGHT SIDE. While in Ishvalan War, it gave depth to a lot of characters. We get to see the unparalleled motives of the antagonists and their ideology (Kimblee and Scar), what made Roy Mustang the side character have his major goal driven by revenge and how did he gain his power and why Riza also the side character have this dynamic with Roy etc I don't remember all. The narrative made you questions the rest of the cast morality. Both Ishvalan War and 86 have RACISM, but you see the outcome FMAB manages to present richer themes and how it contributes to the overall story. When 86 has war as it's primary theme literally milks RACISM and creating a non existent world, basically "oh ye this San Magnolia is full of racist white pigs and this Giad is the good one just like Lena and let's add another 2 countries for god knows what the purpose." What is even the trigger of the war? Some country made a deadly terminator and then allowing our protagonist to hear LITERAL GHOST? I would understand if maybe Shin's headset was different as it can receive special electromagnetic waves and the ghost are advanced technological manifestation created by complex codes whatever use your creativity but here in 86 it doesn't explains why. Why was this terminator even exists at the first place? What's the purpose? Does Giad hates other countries or it tries to expand it's territory? Where did Giad get this technology and resources? We shall never know, because what matter the most is that Giad's leader is anti-racism unlike white pigs in San Magnolia who uses the 86. Is this about how 86 have nationalism? Then I can ask further what they are proud of because the anime didn't show us one single good thing from San Magnolia either the culture or education or economy or resources etc. Of course in the end Lena saves Shin with TIDY CLEAN costume and HIGH HEELS in the MIDDLE OF WAR without knowing anything, wow so realistic. I thought the events before are just a build up for this moment because of how superficial and unrealistic they are. |
AruchemistAug 27, 2022 3:46 AM
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| maybe cuz The expect people have goes straight Up and at The end The peoples expection isnt reached and will be rated Bad. |
| Because Part 1 is so much better. Part 2 was very boring. I wasn't interested in new characters at all. Only reason I gave it a 7 is the scene where Shin saw Lena for the first time. |
| Well everyone I’ve talked to has said part 2 is def better, and that’s a lot of people. Plus the last few eps of the second part are objectively the best episodes of the whole series. |
| I liked it less than the first season because there is a lot less action, and in the second the story becomes really too slow compared to the first, and I find many choices made by the Shinei wrong, and the deepening of some characters I did not like at all including Shinei |
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| I remember part 2’s episodes being delayed over and over and people would complain |
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| Frederica was annoying and Lena was no where to be seen. Shit was sad dude. |
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Aruchemist said: 7044 said: So which anime do you think is realistic Attack on titan? One piece? Rent a girlfriend? Which anime? Which Anime you liked the most? Tell me. I like FMAB. I will answer your questions while still being relevant to 86 without spoiling anything from FMAB as possible. For me even just one of the event from the whole story, Ishvalan War, manages to present war better than 86 when this is just a secondary from FMAB. What differs Ishvalan War from 86 is that how diverse the cast was written. 86 is centering Shin and Lena all the time, having useless side characters for their characterization and it was not even good. You could argue about Shin's morality as why did he killed his own friend with no feeling? Is he good or bad? Does he has human feelings? But it was not presented that way. When you were watching those scenes, the first thing that came into your mind is 'Wow Shin is so cool and bad ass." No one will question his morality because the narrative was presented that Shin is on the RIGHT SIDE. While in Ishvalan War, it gave depth to a lot of characters. We get to see the unparalleled motives of the antagonists and their ideology (Kimblee and Scar), what made Roy Mustang the side character have his major goal driven by revenge and how did he gain his power and why Riza also the side character have this dynamic with Roy etc I don't remember all. The narrative made you questions the rest of the cast morality. Both Ishvalan War and 86 have RACISM, but you see the outcome FMAB manages to present richer themes and how it contributes to the overall story. When 86 has war as it's primary theme literally milks RACISM and creating a non existent world, basically "oh ye this San Magnolia is full of racist white pigs and this Giad is the good one just like Lena and let's add another 2 countries for god knows what the purpose." What is even the trigger of the war? Some country made a deadly terminator and then allowing our protagonist to hear LITERAL GHOST? I would understand if maybe Shin's headset was different as it can receive special electromagnetic waves and the ghost are advanced technological manifestation created by complex codes whatever use your creativity but here in 86 it doesn't explains why. Why was this terminator even exists at the first place? What's the purpose? Does Giad hates other countries or it tries to expand it's territory? Where did Giad get this technology and resources? We shall never know, because what matter the most is that Giad's leader is anti-racism unlike white pigs in San Magnolia who uses the 86. Is this about how 86 have nationalism? Then I can ask further what they are proud of because the anime didn't show us one single good thing from San Magnolia either the culture or education or economy or resources etc. Of course in the end Lena saves Shin with TIDY CLEAN costume and HIGH HEELS in the MIDDLE OF WAR without knowing anything, wow so realistic. I thought the events before are just a build up for this moment because of how superficial and unrealistic they are. Officers do have their own uniform (both for duty and for ceremonies) and you called those costume. Have you not seen military parades? Even in offices they do dress like that, albeit usually without the medals. Lena is rather a high-ranking - Colonel at the end of anime, so this is justified even further Also, you are nitpicking too much. “Tidy costume”, should it be dirty for realism? And all the nonsense nitpicks you made that if I have to list it would be a whole doctorate thesis. What are you smoking? Can I have some? You look for “realism” in fictions, perhaps you should stay with war documentaries to find your loads of “realism” you are looking for. People looking for realism in fictions are people who cannot distinguish fiction from real life and they cannot enjoy any piece of art in a true mean because you all are busy looking for your “realism” ideal, keep on “touching” themselves and feel good because are “the most stayed down to earth people”. I’ll tell you one better, you lots mind are high much more than El Chapo’s crew with their powder. FMAB is not an almighty god too everyone, for you may be but not all. Benchmarking orher animes on one series subjects you to severe bias. If you want to benchmark with FMAB go watch it again and compare with itself, don’t that to the other anime |
DeMarcKAug 28, 2022 11:14 PM
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DeMarcK said: Aruchemist said: I like FMAB. I will answer your questions while still being relevant to 86 without spoiling anything from FMAB as possible. For me even just one of the event from the whole story, Ishvalan War, manages to present war better than 86 when this is just a secondary from FMAB. What differs Ishvalan War from 86 is that how diverse the cast was written. 86 is centering Shin and Lena all the time, having useless side characters for their characterization and it was not even good. You could argue about Shin's morality as why did he killed his own friend with no feeling? Is he good or bad? Does he has human feelings? But it was not presented that way. When you were watching those scenes, the first thing that came into your mind is 'Wow Shin is so cool and bad ass." No one will question his morality because the narrative was presented that Shin is on the RIGHT SIDE. While in Ishvalan War, it gave depth to a lot of characters. We get to see the unparalleled motives of the antagonists and their ideology (Kimblee and Scar), what made Roy Mustang the side character have his major goal driven by revenge and how did he gain his power and why Riza also the side character have this dynamic with Roy etc I don't remember all. The narrative made you questions the rest of the cast morality. Both Ishvalan War and 86 have RACISM, but you see the outcome FMAB manages to present richer themes and how it contributes to the overall story. When 86 has war as it's primary theme literally milks RACISM and creating a non existent world, basically "oh ye this San Magnolia is full of racist white pigs and this Giad is the good one just like Lena and let's add another 2 countries for god knows what the purpose." What is even the trigger of the war? Some country made a deadly terminator and then allowing our protagonist to hear LITERAL GHOST? I would understand if maybe Shin's headset was different as it can receive special electromagnetic waves and the ghost are advanced technological manifestation created by complex codes whatever use your creativity but here in 86 it doesn't explains why. Why was this terminator even exists at the first place? What's the purpose? Does Giad hates other countries or it tries to expand it's territory? Where did Giad get this technology and resources? We shall never know, because what matter the most is that Giad's leader is anti-racism unlike white pigs in San Magnolia who uses the 86. Is this about how 86 have nationalism? Then I can ask further what they are proud of because the anime didn't show us one single good thing from San Magnolia either the culture or education or economy or resources etc. Of course in the end Lena saves Shin with TIDY CLEAN costume and HIGH HEELS in the MIDDLE OF WAR without knowing anything, wow so realistic. I thought the events before are just a build up for this moment because of how superficial and unrealistic they are. Officers do have their own uniform (both for duty and for ceremonies) and you called those costume. Have you not seen military parades? Even in offices they do dress like that, albeit usually without the medals. Lena is rather a high-ranking - Colonel at the end of anime, so this is justified even further Also, you are nitpicking too much. Tidy costume, should it be dirty for realism?. And you look for “realism” in fictions, perhaps you should stay with war documentaries to find your loads of “realism” you are looking for. People looking for realism in fictions are people who cannot distinguish fiction from real life and they cannot enjoy any piece of art in a true mean because you all are busy looking for your “realism” ideal, “touched” yourself and feel good because you “stayed down to earth” (which is not even the true) FMAB is not an almighty god too everyone, for you may be but not all. Benchmarking orher animes on one series subjects you to severe bias. If you want to benchmark with FMAB go watch it again and compare with itself, don’t that to the other anime I have to clarify that I'm not comparing the Ishvalan War from FMAB to 86 out of no where nor to show how godly FMAB is. I believe you have seen my conversation with the other guy, he asked me what anime did I like. I'm simply answering his question while still being relevant to 86 because this is an 86 thread as simple as that. Regarding your first point, Have you seen a female military uniform with VERY SHORT skirt and high STOCKINGS? Because when you said that I instantly google them and I don't see them, lol. I instantly google female military uniform just in case I'm wrong but no, they didn't dress like that. You can insert a picture where any of them dressed like Lena though if you want, only if they exist. Sure, I'll let that pass since this is FICTION and I'm too crazy looking for realism but using HIGH HEELS on BATTLEGROUND is just plain stupid as how ineffective it is to walk or run, it's common sense. So now you understand that I'm not looking for the costume to be dirty, it's just dumb. For your second paragraph, all I did was sharing my thoughts about a certain anime on a thread about certain anime. You only tried to debunk ONE of my many points (which I've debunked back) and then you wen't the the classic "dude this is just anime why u search for realism bohoho." It's a different case if I attack those of you who liked 86 then you are welcome to attack me personally, I'll take that. However in this case I didn't, so doesn't that just shows how immature you are? Also funnily enough, I could say backwards you did feel good and superior because you ATTACKED ME PERSONALLY by saying I can't distinguish fiction from real life and I didn't enjoy everything mindlessly, unlike you who knows the best how to ENJOY ART and gave everything 10 because it's an ENTERTAINMENT, how ironic. You don't have any premises to take assumptions on me personally either is I'm too busy looking for realism bla bla bla, I don't write anything about myself nor my view about anime on my profile. Basically if you want to defend 86 or fighting my take to 86, then debunk my points or give me new insights, reach an amicable discussion. How is that even hard? Maybe for you it's easier to attack someone personally, but as you're profile said " life is already pretty harsh so why don't we loosen up whenever we could." Talking about anime critically isn't stressing out life, it's to gain enjoyment and if bonus to evoke good discussion. If you are going to say "I'm not talking to people like you who took everything seriously lol touch grass kid." then simply don't reply anymore. I'm not here to pick a fight. |
AruchemistAug 28, 2022 11:45 PM
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Aruchemist said: DeMarcK said: Officers do have their own uniform (both for duty and for ceremonies) and you called those costume. Have you not seen military parades? Even in offices they do dress like that, albeit usually without the medals. Lena is rather a high-ranking - Colonel at the end of anime, so this is justified even further Also, you are nitpicking too much. Tidy costume, should it be dirty for realism?. And you look for “realism” in fictions, perhaps you should stay with war documentaries to find your loads of “realism” you are looking for. People looking for realism in fictions are people who cannot distinguish fiction from real life and they cannot enjoy any piece of art in a true mean because you all are busy looking for your “realism” ideal, “touched” yourself and feel good because you “stayed down to earth” (which is not even the true) FMAB is not an almighty god too everyone, for you may be but not all. Benchmarking orher animes on one series subjects you to severe bias. If you want to benchmark with FMAB go watch it again and compare with itself, don’t that to the other anime I have to clarify that I'm not comparing the Ishvalan War from FMAB to 86 out of no where nor to show how godly FMAB is. I believe you have seen my conversation with the other guy, he asked me what anime did I like. I'm simply answering his question while still being relevant to 86 because this is an 86 thread as simple as that. Regarding your first point, Have you seen a female military uniform with VERY SHORT skirt and high STOCKINGS? Because when you said that I instantly google them and I don't see them, lol. I instantly google female military uniform just in case I'm wrong but no, they didn't dress like that. You can insert a picture where any of them dressed like Lena though if you want, only if they exist. Sure, I'll let that pass since this is FICTION and I'm too crazy looking for realism but using HIGH HEELS on BATTLEGROUND is just plain stupid as how ineffective it is to walk or run, it's common sense. So now you understand that I'm not looking for the costume to be dirty, it's just dumb. For your second paragraph, all I did was sharing my thoughts about a certain anime on a thread about certain anime. You only tried to debunk ONE of my many points (which I've debunked back) and then you wen't the the classic "dude this is just anime why u search for realism bohoho." It's a different case if I attack those of you who liked 86 then you are welcome to attack me personally, I'll take that. However in this case I didn't, so doesn't that just shows how immature you are? Also funnily enough, I could say backwards you did feel good and superior because you ATTACKED ME PERSONALLY by saying I can't distinguish fiction from real life and I didn't enjoy everything mindlessly, unlike you who knows the best how to ENJOY ART and gave everything 10 because it's an ENTERTAINMENT, how ironic. You don't have any premises to take assumptions on me personally either is I'm too busy looking for realism bla bla bla, I don't write anything about myself nor my view about anime on my profile. Basically if you want to defend 86 or fighting my take to 86, then debunk my points or give me new insights, reach an amicable discussion. How is that even hard? Maybe for you it's easier to attack someone personally, but as you're profile said " life is already pretty harsh so why don't we loosen up whenever we could." Talking about anime critically isn't stressing out life, it's to gain enjoyment and if bonus to evoke good discussion. If you are going to say "I'm not talking to people like you who took everything seriously lol touch grass kid." then simply don't reply anymore. I'm not here to pick a fight. Here’s a tip, loosen your tense mind for once, sit back and enjoy anime without asking so much questions. If anything tickles you just think “because it’s fiction” and let it slide. Trust me, your enjoyment of many thing would change. I don’t really know you irl but as far as I’m concern, you let small details bother you so much to the point it blinded you from seeing the whole picture. |
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