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Kaylakaze said:
The art in this was HORRENDOUS

Yes, we definitely watched different shows.

Kaylakaze said:
I'll admit that maybe my standards are high after seeing many gorgeous Cloverworks series

AoButa is one of the ugliest shows I've seen, btw. On the other hand, it is consistent. Consistently pale and ugly.

Jun 27, 2022 12:41 PM

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False_Mirror said:

AoButa is one of the ugliest shows I've seen, btw. On the other hand, it is consistent. Consistently pale and ugly.

I wouldn't know. I've never seen it. Judging by the preview though, it had good-quality, detailed, backgrounds, detaled, consistent characters, and represented the art style from the source material precisely. That was also made almost 4 years ago. Do you have a REAL point you'd like to make?

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Jun 27, 2022 12:44 PM

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But there were also some great animation sequences (especially Weiss v the boar during class, gorgeous!)

It had a few good-looking scenes.

Jun 27, 2022 1:25 PM

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To be fair, this anime has some good-looking scenes here and there and some parts in the action scenes are also good, that being said, it also has some wonky scenes here and there too and crappy action scenes in other parts as well so the production quality is not consistent here, maybe this will be fixed in the Blu-ray version or maybe not, we just have to wait and see.

But as an RWBY fan I will say that these 3 episodes are rushed as fuck, they literally rushed the fuck out of it to get to the new content and I didn't like that one bit, I couldn't even bond with a single character because of it and this is simply bad.

The action scenes in the OG RWBY are also way better IMHO, I actually feel the hype in the action scenes there, the music also helps a lot in those moments and the OG RWBY really nailed it there, not only is the action scenes pretty damn good there with awesome choreography and all but they really nailed it with the music too! but in this anime those moments were rather weak, I couldn't feel the hype at all, they failed in the music department too IMHO.

Not every action scene in the OG RWBY is good though, I will admit that there are some wonky moments here and there too in Vol 1 but for the most part, the action scenes in the OG RWBY is better, has better music and it's way more hype and the action scenes will only get better in Vol 2 and up (Vol 5 has wonky action scenes here and there though, that's one of the worst volumes in the OG RWBY IMHO).

Jun 27, 2022 1:38 PM

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Kaylakaze said:

I wouldn't know. I've never seen it. Judging by the preview though, it had good-quality, detailed, backgrounds, detaled, consistent characters, and represented the art style from the source material precisely.

So, you not only watched different rwby, but also preview for different AoButa?
That 's the whole point - you're describing an alternate reality in both cases.
I just found your mention of cw shows as a benchmark of production quality hilarious and cited as an example the only one of them that I watched to the end.
Although I do remember that in the recent "sono bisque doll", sometimes blurred photos were used as backgrounds - I understand you might not have noticed it, being distracted by the jiggling boobs animation - shaft should've added more of this in rwby - maybe there would have been fewer comments about the backgrounds and stuff.

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Jun 27, 2022 4:40 PM

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False_Mirror said:

So, you not only watched different rwby, but also preview for different AoButa?
That 's the whole point - you're describing an alternate reality in both cases.
I just found your mention of cw shows as a benchmark of production quality hilarious and cited as an example the only one of them that I watched to the end.
Although I do remember that in the recent "sono bisque doll", sometimes blurred photos were used as backgrounds - I understand you might not have noticed it, being distracted by the jiggling boobs animation - shaft should've added more of this in rwby - maybe there would have been fewer comments about the backgrounds and stuff.

I think you're the one describing the alternative reality here. And no, My Dress-Up Darling used regular photos for the background, not blurred, and that was, again, consistent with the source art style. Maybe if you actually WATCHED anime
(by a studio other than Shaft) instead of just looking at a preview and going "Oh, boobs. It must be horrible." you'd at least come off as having a modicum of intelligence. Looking at your watched list, though, it's clear you have a real love for the Shaft. You certainly know how to work it. Maybe that's why boobs bother you.

And at no point did I say CW shows were the benchmark of quality. I said they'd been putting out gorgeous stuff recently. If anything, I said Mushoku Tensei was the benchmark. But you probably don't know what the word "benchmark" means.

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It was a mid show, but most people are shitting on it for good reason it seems

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Kaylakaze said:
And no, My Dress-Up Darling used regular photos for the background, not blurred, and that was, again, consistent with the source art style.

So when a hack-mangaka cuts corners using photos, and then an anime does the same thing - this is a "faithful adaptation" - what is your problem then? The current art style of rwby:iq is more than consistent with the source art style.

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AAnd at no point did I say CW shows were the benchmark of quality.

Yeah, you said that their mediocre seasonals "raised your standards" and I laughed about it. But you probably don't know what the word "standards" means.

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Jun 27, 2022 7:54 PM

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I completely agree. Shaft has been notoriously known for their inconsistent quality so im not surprised. Most of the time its just janky, stiff and awkward animations throughout with the characters looking disproportioned and off model.

Of course there are some few very well animated fight scenes that look amazing, which is what most people are talking about I guess.

Jun 27, 2022 8:08 PM

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False_Mirror said:

Kaylakaze said:
And no, My Dress-Up Darling used regular photos for the background, not blurred, and that was, again, consistent with the source art style.

Kaylakaze said:
AAnd at no point did I say CW shows were the benchmark of quality.

Yeah, you said that their mediocre seasonals "raised your standards" and I laughed about it. But you probably don't know what the word "standards" means.

Lmao why you hate Cloverworks so much. I think most people can agree that CW series has better and consistent production quality than most seasonal shows out there (e.g. Sono Bisque, Horimiya, Wonder Egg, Akebi chan, SpyxFamily, and even Promised Neverland)

So I somewhat agree with op that CW has definitely raised the standards if you compare it with the other hundreds of seasonal isekai harem anime that look ok at best.

And you havent watch many anime if you think AoButa is the ugliest LMFAO XD. But we all have different opinions so to each their own I guess.

Jun 27, 2022 9:09 PM

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Nyx45 said:

False_Mirror said:

Yeah, you said that their mediocre seasonals "raised your standards" and I laughed about it. But you probably don't know what the word "standards" means.

Cloverworks is good animations wise, but they butcher content so bad that I have little faith in them. Regarding the fight sequences in RWBY, they are one of the best out there. Overall animation quality might be inconsistent though, knowing Shaft is Shaft and they are always behind the schedule. Still most of the stuff gets fixed in Blurays, maybe it's there way to make people buy the Blurays.

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I'll admit that maybe my standards are high after seeing many gorgeous Cloverworks series and Studio Bind bringing new levels of quality in Mushoku Tensei.

You must get your eyes tested if you find quality in Mushoku Tensei's animation. First of all, it looks like it's made at 480p and everything is so blurry. Their colorist maybe ran out of colors, and used a mexican filter throughout the show. There are some good fight scenes, but none of them are memorable. Faces disappear at a render distance of a few meters. Mushoku Tensei has a good story and faithful adaptation, but animation isn't its strongest point.

Jun 28, 2022 6:14 AM

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Cloverworks is good animations wise, but they butcher content so bad that I have little faith in them. Regarding the fight sequences in RWBY, they are one of the best out there. Overall animation quality might be inconsistent though, knowing Shaft is Shaft and they are always behind the schedule. Still most of the stuff gets fixed in Blurays, maybe it's there way to make people buy the Blurays.

Their adaptation of My Dress-up Darling was perfect as has their adaptation of Spy x Family. I know they screwed up Promised Neverland, but from what I read, that was the mangaka himself that caused that.

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You must get your eyes tested if you find quality in Mushoku Tensei's animation. First of all, it looks like it's made at 480p and everything is so blurry. Their colorist maybe ran out of colors, and used a mexican filter throughout the show. There are some good fight scenes, but none of them are memorable. Faces disappear at a render distance of a few meters. Mushoku Tensei has a good story and faithful adaptation, but animation isn't its strongest point.

That's hilarious that you think the anime of Mushoku Tensei as anything close to a faithful adaptation but that the animation is bad. I think you have your wires crossed. The anime story is good, but it's extremely far from "faithful". And your animation complaints are just silly and so far from reality that can't even be addressed.

Jun 28, 2022 8:16 AM

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Since I've watched the original a few times, I had to test this new anime adaptation. The graphics and the style are certainly different from your common anime. It reminded me a bit of Kami no Tou and other US × Japan blended animation production. I suspect they put a ton of CG to keep swift action scenes but the visual aesthetics are certainly different.

For now, I'm putting this a Fine (6/10) rating and play the wait-and-see game ... especially since they're tweaking the original script.

Jun 28, 2022 10:16 AM

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I think it's really too early to say. We know they rushed through this to get to the new material, so I really can't judge the show quite yet. The dust shop fight was way better in the anime adaptation, but almost everything else felt shallow. If the show continues this way, I would agree with the opening post, but I hope the rest of the budget goes into the new material starting in episode 4.

Jun 28, 2022 12:02 PM

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Kaylakaze said:
I read people talking about Shaft eye candy and fantastic fights and I have to wonder if we watched the same thing. The art in this was HORRENDOUS with oddly proportioned characters (that changed proportions depending on the scene), very low-detail scenes, and stuttery fight scenes. I'll admit that maybe my standards are high after seeing many gorgeous Cloverworks series and Studio Bind bringing new levels of quality in Mushoku Tensei.

Graphically, this looks like your typical rushed shonen anime from the 90s, so much so that it almost seems intentional.

And Ruby's hair just made me think of one of those squid-cut hot dogs.

Ah yes, yet another episode of "I don't understand stylization and need hard realism in everything I watch". It was gorgeous apart from a small handful of errors that are typical in anime and easily findable even in something like "Mushoku Tensei".

Jun 29, 2022 6:06 PM

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ever heard of people having a different taste/opinion?

Jun 29, 2022 6:08 PM

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even the original looks better than this

Jun 29, 2022 11:59 PM

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Agreed. Episode 2 suffers the most when it comes to animation quality and detailing. OG fans say it is rushed, so I checked volume 1 and finished it last night and yeah the anime is rushed. However the first 3 episodes solely exist to bring the viewers up to speed so I don't really mind.

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Jun 30, 2022 12:30 AM

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I had high expectation after hype reviews I've seen. But IMO the original RWBY is better than this remake.

- Original has unique and really cool style. This remake is trying to reproduce that but also mix with traditional anime style. I do not like it that much so far.
- Also remake has poor details and scenes a lot. For example fight with the flying grimm is so bad, omg. The awesome combo and finishing move that was so epic in the original RWBY, was butchered here and is totally underwhelming in comparison. They should have cut the fight entirely if they could not do it well.
- Pacing and character development in original RWBY is better too. This remake is so rushed I could not follow any character development. Or feel any tension in the challenges they are supposedly facing. So rushed.

Jun 30, 2022 3:26 AM

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yes,yes we did
and while different opinions are fine, let's not ignore that most of VOL1 is abridged jokes and some weak attempt at worldbuilding(Vol2 way better) before a fight at the end
Which was charming,and I really enjoyed that comedy(Weiss IT'S A COMBAT SKIRT joke is one of my favorites). Shaft is adapting this using the tone that the series had from Vol4 while creating a reimagining of the series, and there is nothing wrong with that, because a remake of a series that is just a 1:1 is a failure in my eyes
Also ,I understand not liking the style, but the anime looks way better than Vol1, I don't want to hit on Vol1 because the budget was minuscule, but literally the background characters were black cardboards and the environments were...surely there I guess...

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Jun 30, 2022 12:42 PM

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AwesomeAlfie27 said:
Also ,I understand not liking the style, but the anime looks way better than Vol1, I don't want to hit on Vol1 because the budget was minuscule, but literally the background characters were black cardboards and the environments were...surely there I guess...

To be fair, yes, the OG RWBY didn't look that great in the beginning, the CGI looked weird but I quickly got used to it, the CGI gets better in Vol. 2 and up.

But man, the fight choreography in the OG RWBY is simply awesome so I will give them that, even Vol. 1 has amazing fight choreography that makes 70% of the anime out there look like weak sauce in comparison in the action scenes IMHO and that includes this anime too, while this anime had a couple of good moments in the action scenes it was still inferior in every way compared to the OG RWBY IMHO.

The comedy and the character development were also better in the OG RWBY, this anime barely has comedy or character development at all in these 3 episodes, everything was simply too rushed.

Jun 30, 2022 8:57 PM

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This really looks weird for me. It's not bad. But I really dont like it.

I don't know if you know already-- but the image you posted is not Ruby's original design, that is actually her 4th redesign technically. Her original design is the exact same as the anime's, lasting from volume 1-3. This is the same for all of the main casts' character design. Also, don't worry, quite a lot of people don't like their later redesigns either, lol. The OG is still the undisputed best.

(context: top image = screenshot from volume 3, bottom image = OG CD concept art illustrated version).

As I didnt watch the original series, I didnt feel it was that bad.

Well, give this 3 minute video a go, this is basically the OG version's of Weiss's fight scene in episode 1 of the anime. The anime's version had lacking choreography, and to be honest it's quite hard to top the choreo of the OG show. The choreo from season 1 to 3 is consistently insane for its time.

(For context, RWBY's fight scenes were mainly responsible by the show's creator Monty, but he passed away due to an unfortunate circumstance during the production of volume 3.. you'll connect the dots with the character design issues :/).

There's also this comparison video between the anime and the OG, the OG show's fight starts at 3:53. The original version is pretty amazing to watch in comparison, and is pretty much the best action sequence in volume 1. When I saw the anime's version, I was pretty dissapointed at how much of the OG's soul, character and choreography were lost. The OG was truly something else. (this particular video's quality is kinda shakey mistakey) Give it a go, maybe you'll love it too :D?

Oh and did I mention how stupidly slow Blake's weapon became in the anime? That part was particularly painful to watch.. in the OG she was essentially lightning fast.

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and here I am getting a lot of criticism in this show already. Not a fan but I guess I'll see what Shaft is in store for us with this anime.

Jul 2, 2022 9:45 AM

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Why are so many people hate on RWBY: Ice Queendom? It's a very good new anime with breathtaking animation at times, solid characters and soundtrack, pretty good writing.

I guess the fans of the 3D RWBY don't like that this is so good and start talking bad about it, so their version feels better or something.

Jul 2, 2022 10:31 AM

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its because everything that shaft makes sucks add

Jul 2, 2022 10:37 AM

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I guess the fans of the 3D RWBY don't like that this is so good and start talking bad about it, so their version feels better or something.

Stop guessing, I'm indeed a RWBY fan but I explained my reasons plenty of times around here on why I'm disappointed with these 3 episodes, I even explained the reasons on this thread.

And no, these 3 episodes aren't that good IMHO, this is just a rushed mess and yeah, that's my opinion so you can disagree with it if you want but it's my opinion nonetheless.

Jul 2, 2022 12:29 PM

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Definitely something different. This is not what HORRENDOUS art is.

Jul 2, 2022 4:23 PM

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SHAFT has this ugly tendency to completing TV episodes just few days before broadcast, so everything seems rushed with backgrounds being static and looking bland.

That is until BD release, which fixes literally everything.

This, however, does not apply to fight scenes, who always look dope even in TV version.

Jul 2, 2022 5:13 PM

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luckyowl10 said:
Why are so many people hate on RWBY: Ice Queendom? It's a very good new anime with breathtaking animation at times, solid characters and soundtrack, pretty good writing.

In fact, not "many" at all. Considering how big and how... peculiar the community of the original show is it can be said that the IQ almost didn't face a backlash so far and was received quite warmly. What we see here is only a loud minority.

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SHAFT has this ugly tendency to completing TV episodes just few days before broadcast, so everything seems rushed with backgrounds being static and looking bland.

Well, the broadcast only starts today.. If they really didn't have time, they could cancel the unnecessary preair-release. Actually, I don't see any serious problems requiring numerous fixes. The somewhat featureless backgrounds are inherited from the original show and should probably contrast with the setting in which the main plot will develop.

Jul 3, 2022 5:39 AM

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Piromysl said:
SHAFT has this ugly tendency to completing TV episodes just few days before broadcast, so everything seems rushed with backgrounds being static and looking bland.

That is until BD release, which fixes literally everything.

This, however, does not apply to fight scenes, who always look dope even in TV version.

Shaft background artist is always on leave it seems lol. Is this the bluray though? I think it's TV vs movie.

Jul 3, 2022 8:15 AM

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But as an RWBY fan I will say that these 3 episodes are rushed as fuck, they literally rushed the fuck out of it to get to the new content and I didn't like that one bit, I couldn't even bond with a single character because of it and this is simply bad.

The action scenes in the OG RWBY are also way better IMHO, I actually feel the hype in the action scenes there, the music also helps a lot in those moments and the OG RWBY really nailed it there, not only is the action scenes pretty damn good there with awesome choreography and all but they really nailed it with the music too! but in this anime those moments were rather weak, I couldn't feel the hype at all, they failed in the music department too IMHO.

I honestly do not understand how people can think this. How powerful are those nostalgia goggles damn? I watched a side-by side comparison of the fight scenes and the OG RWBY scenes sucked, frankly. A lot of robotic movement, and very budget looking. I felt so much more hyped by the 2D version - and the choreography was much better imo. The music is about on-par. I think both tracks were pretty good.

As for the characters and feeling rushed. Honestly as someone who never watched the original, I connected fine with the characters, and it felt like a fairly normal first 3 episodes. Maybe the first volume of the OG was bloated...

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"Did we watch the same show"?

Sorry, i should rephrase this thread to: is 2D or 3DCG RWBY better?

Though we can all agree that the storytelling is rushed to spearhead into its own thing, which is sadly inevitable.

Jul 3, 2022 11:04 AM

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Khslovak said:

If you watched the OG RWBY before as I did, then you should know that these 3 episodes are rushed as hell, maybe it didn't feel rushed for you because you never watched the OG RWBY before but for people that watched the OG RWBY, this is indeed rushed and I'm not the only one complaining about it but I'm probably just a vocal minority here.

The OG RWBY has better fight choreography but I will admit that Vol 1 has some wonky moments in the action scenes here and there too but for the most part, the choreography is actually better in Vol 1 and it will get even better in Vol 2 and up. The OG RWBY is actually well known for the amazing fight choreography and this is the thing I loved about it the most too.

But if you enjoyed these 3 episodes, then good for you and by all means, keep watching it. I will keep watching it too, maybe it will get better.

Jul 3, 2022 11:23 AM

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There were a handful of scenes that were really polished and had a poster / trailer vibe to them.

They were unfortunately very much the minority of the first three episodes, though the rougher animation and lower details had some charm, harkening back to RWBYs debut season and it's... let's call them stylistic quirks.

Jul 3, 2022 11:50 AM

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Piromysl said:
SHAFT has this ugly tendency to completing TV episodes just few days before broadcas

Even before comparing bd and tv release, we have the opportunity to compare tv release and preair

Jul 3, 2022 1:12 PM

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False_Mirror said:

Piromysl said:
SHAFT has this ugly tendency to completing TV episodes just few days before broadcas

Even before comparing bd and tv release, we have the opportunity to compare tv release and preair

They also added endcard

Jul 3, 2022 1:43 PM

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So many manga/novel adaptions that could have been more with a better budget, but instead this mediocre/generic story gets an over-budget adaptation and over the top staff...

Jul 3, 2022 2:18 PM

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