| People are biased and hypocritical AF. Welcome to the Internet mate. Sadly what you said is mostly true. The problem lies that it will not disappear even if you point it out. An advice would be find enjoyment in “X” series regardless of the fan’s opinion otherwise it will always kick you in the balls. |
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| Those are early reviews so they are gonna get taken down regardless. (The earliest a review can be up is 4/12 episodes or else it'll be removed) |
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sheluvsessence said: Disregarding that early reviews are trash and kneejerk reactions to premieres, there is a big difference between Higehiro and Koikimo.Okay so I was sitting in bed and I just had to get this off my mind and see if anyone agreed, is anyone not gonna talk about the crap reviews on this anime. They wanna say that the guy was harassing her and the age gap is awful but when the anime "Higehiro" or known has "I shaved my beard and picked up a highschool girl" came out, no one talked about the over sexualized stunts that were pulled by an underage girl towards a 26 year old and didnt give it a 1/10 because of age gap in that anime.... guess who was harassing who with more awful stunts, THE GIRL. I looked at some of the reviewers accounts and they dont give one single care about it in the anime higehiro but proceed to give it an 8/10 but gave Koi to yobu a 1/10. Man please this just angers me.... I just hope that by the end of the show it goes up to at least 7.57 or 7.87 like Higehiro because this is just absurd dawg. I guess people liked how sexual the girl in Higehero was. In Koikimo, the anime revolves around a 27 year old guy falling in love with a 17 year old. This guy then proceeds to endlessly harass the 17 year old till the falls in love with him, and since this is an anime she probably will. In Higehiro, the anime revolves around people of similar ages, but the guy doesn't immediately fall in love with the girl. The girl tries to harass the guy into having sex with her, but it falls on deaf ears because the guy is not interested in her. I think a big difference between the 27 year old creep in Koikimo and the creepy young girl in Higehiro is intention. The 27 year old in Koikimo falls in love instantly with the young girl, and the anime revolves around that being funny. Making this kind of anime in the era of #MeToo is highly uncomfortable and tone deaf. In Higehiro, you can argue that the anime is too horny for the young girl, but in terms of the story it is different then Koikimo. In Higehiro the girl acts that way because she has done those kinds of actions for presumably months to stay alive. It is the only way that she knows how to keep a shelter, so her morals all revolve around that mindset. The moment she comes in contact with someone who is actually caring, she doesn't know what to do thus she does stupid actions. Koikimo isn't that intelligent and uses this kind of relationship for comedic purposes only while Higehiro explores the mindset of a person clearly fucked up by her environment being challenged by actual kindness and decency. I am not saying that Higehiro is suddenly okay because Koikimo is not. You can find both uncomfortable, one of them uncomfortable or neither of them uncomfortable for multiple reasons, but claiming that these people are "biased and hypocritical" because they gave Koikimo a 1 and Higehiro an 8 shows that you have no idea what people don't like about Koikimo and what people like about Higehiro instead. |
| You are right OP, but you can't win against people who use mental gymnastic with these kind of things. Just ignore the salty ones. |
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| I agree I saw the reviews yesterday and was extremely disappointed. To me it's annoying that people are bothered by the age gap because it would be legal in Japan. People are just being picky imo, it's those Twitter folks acting up again. |
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| I personally find this anime uncomfortable as fuck, but hey, even the anime knows that it's uncomfortable. |
| Haters gonna hate. I mean, that's just backwards people passing themselves as progressive while they rant about an age-gap romance, and using the excuse that the guy is creepy (he is, but that's the point). It looks like for some people you cannot make comedy about morally inappropiate stuff. But I know for a fact that at least one of the people who were ranting in the episode 1 post had rated a show which literally makes a comedy of WW1 (Youjo senki, which I personally liked a lot too) highly so what's up with those double standards. And here there is someone who rated Mushoku Tensei with a 10 (I also liked that show a lot) even if the main character is A LOT worse than anything you'll find in Koikimo. So... 1. You can make comedy of all kinds of stuff, 2. The "creepiness" of the guy is just as bad as Ichika sees it. Other person may like that behaviour, so the only thing which makes it wrong is that Ichika dislikes it. The moment she stops disliking it it stops being wrong. And she doesn't really dislike it that much, I mean she knows (manga spoiler) that she can just report him, and she Oh, and 3. It's fiction. Tons of the complaints are also filled with dumb misinformation. Calling him a pedophile/ephebophile even if both terms are related to sexual atraction to prepubescent/postpubescent minors while there is nothing about sexual atraction in this show, to give an example. People just see what they wanted to see. Like when people complained that Dragon Ball was satanic. They just make their conclusion and then look for the arguments to justify it. ------------------------------------------ Besides me ranting about rants... Hige wo soru, as some people pointed, doesn't have the issue: There is no romance, just the guy who decided she can stay because in the anime (and manga) nobody but him has empathy. The anime is clear that the people who abused her need for a place to stay are trash. . |
LeviathanTheEspApr 8, 2021 11:19 PM
| yikes @ the people defending ephebophilia in this thread |
| "The collective genius of humanity is offset only by the sheer idiocy of people." |
Cypherial said: Yikes @ the people not knowing the definition of ephebophilia in this thread.yikes @ the people defending ephebophilia in this thread If you tell me where the hell in this show can you find someone with a "primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19" (definition of ephebophilia), then I'll agree with you. But this show is not about the sexual interests of Ryou at all, not to talk about his "primary sexual interests" (which are not mid-to-late adolescents, taking into account that his usual partners are way older than that). This show is not about sexual anything. |
LeviathanTheEspApr 9, 2021 10:58 AM
| [quote=LeviathanTheEsp message=62705115] If you tell me where the hell in this show can you find someone with a "primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19" (definition of ephebophilia), then I'll agree with you. First episode, 4:50.. he proposes to kiss her and about 16 seconds later he seems to be proposing something more than that. I'm not here to debate on terminology, but that kind of behaviour from a 25 year old towards a 15 year old,... is not okay. I think playing this of as funny may be what most people have trouble with,.... his behaviour in the fiirst episode was highly questionable imo.... this one was slightly less cringy, I'll reserve judgement until at least the 3rd. |
Misuta-Kitsune said: First episode, 4:50.. he proposes to kiss her and about 16 seconds later he seems to be proposing something more than that. Is that a sexual I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T? It doesn't seem like it. But even if it were, it's does not show his M-A-I-N sexual interests, which is what ephebophilia is about. You may feel sexually attracted to a 17 year old person, but if it's not your main sexual attraction, it's not ephebophilia. It was a creepy proposal of offering his body as a reward for saving him, and that's it. It doesn't show anything about his sexual attraction, or even his romantic attraction, since at the moment there was none of that. Misuta-Kitsune said: I'm not here to debate on terminology, but that kind of behaviour from a 25 year old towards a 15 year old,... is not okay. Yeah, his behaviour is not okay, but that's the point of the show. Did you translate the title? But he's not 25 and she's not 15. She's 17 which is over the age of consent in most of the world. his behaviour His behaviour is only as bad as Ichika sees it. After the key moment in which she said he was creepy (he was), his behaviour changed, being more annoying than anything else, preparing the stage for the Boke/Tsukkomi scenes. It's still not okay, but since Ichika doesn't see it as something that bad, it's just not (that bad).I mean if he kept making proposals about kissing or sex or stuff AFTER he crushed, well I think Ichika would be reacting really different and I'd get all the hate. But no. That's not it. |
LeviathanTheEspApr 9, 2021 5:12 PM
| I agree. The double standard is what's bothering me about this whole situation. You have another anime with the same age gap and with an overly sexualized female lead, but everyone is praising that and bashing this. |
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LeviathanTheEsp said: Haters gonna hate. I mean, that's just backwards people passing themselves as progressive while they rant about an age-gap romance, and using the excuse that the guy is creepy (he is, but that's the point). It looks like for some people you cannot make comedy about morally inappropiate stuff. But I know for a fact that at least one of the people who were ranting in the episode 1 post had rated a show which literally makes a comedy of WW1 (Youjo senki, which I personally liked a lot too) highly so what's up with those double standards. And here there is someone who rated Mushoku Tensei with a 10 (I also liked that show a lot) even if the main character is A LOT worse than anything you'll find in Koikimo. So... 1. You can make comedy of all kinds of stuff, 2. The "creepiness" of the guy is just as bad as Ichika sees it. Other person may like that behaviour, so the only thing which makes it wrong is that Ichika dislikes it. The moment she stops disliking it it stops being wrong. And she doesn't really dislike it that much, I mean she knows (manga spoiler) that she can just report him, and she Oh, and 3. It's fiction. Tons of the complaints are also filled with dumb misinformation. Calling him a pedophile/ephebophile even if both terms are related to sexual atraction to prepubescent/postpubescent minors while there is nothing about sexual atraction in this show, to give an example. People just see what they wanted to see. Like when people complained that Dragon Ball was satanic. They just make their conclusion and then look for the arguments to justify it. ------------------------------------------ Besides me ranting about rants... Hige wo soru, as some people pointed, doesn't have the issue: There is no romance, just the guy who decided she can stay because in the anime (and manga) nobody but him has empathy. The anime is clear that the people who abused her need for a place to stay are trash. . absolute based reply but yeah I feel like the moment a topic such as age gap (and especially one with young adults involved) gets introduced all context gets yeeted out the window. That or some people seem to be unable to distinguish between emotional attraction and lustful one. like geez this whole love started out because she saved him and gave her lunch, it's not as if he was checking her out or smth. That's not to say what the dude did isn't creepy (though that'd be creepy regardless of what age she was), but it's far from being something like say, Paradise of Innocence which is more or less actual pedophilia (not to say something like pedophilia should be evaluated relative to one another, but just that looking at the context this scenario is not as bad as it is being made out to be) though OT, I wouldn't call it double standards with regards to Hige, even if both have age gaps they both tell different stories. This is more of blossoming love between salary man x jk, hige is more about healing broken wounds (which romance potentially looming in the distance). |
Short_CircutApr 9, 2021 5:11 PM
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| HigeHiro has decent art/animation, and more importantly, it isn't a romance between an adult and a child. I'm sure fanservice is a factor too, but unfortately most viewers don't care that she's underage. Koikimo has poor art quality compared to most anime this season. Not detailed, the character designs frequently look off-model, with very little animation. Even if it wasn't a pedophilic/teenager grooming romance it would still be scored low. |
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| I knew as soon as I read the synopsis to this show that the fiction police would be all up in arms about it. I'm only one episode in so far but I like it quite a bit, it's very funny. I haven't watched Higehiro yet, nor do I have any plans to watch it unless I hear it's particularly good, but I suspect people are okay with that one because it's dramatic and isn't trying to "normalize/joke about pedophilia" or whatever bullshit buzzword complaints have been used for Koikimo. The people who can't separate fiction and reality aren't mentally or emotionally mature enough to be engaging in fiction in the first place, and should probably go back to watching safe, sterilized children's shows instead. |
RebelPanda said: HigeHiro has decent art/animation, and more importantly, it isn't a romance between an adult and a child. I'm sure fanservice is a factor too, but unfortately most viewers don't care that she's underage. Koikimo has poor art quality compared to most anime this season. Not detailed, the character designs frequently look off-model, with very little animation. Even if it wasn't a pedophilic/teenager grooming romance it would still be scored low. True Most users probably don't mind it unless the Girl is pre-pubecent. But then again some of them throw the 3000 year old vampire argument. I just hope for many that Higehiro won't take the Usagi drop route. |
samashi20 said: I agree. The double standard is what's bothering me about this whole situation. You have another anime with the same age gap and with an overly sexualized female lead, but everyone is praising that and bashing this. Apart from the age cap the two shows are hardly comparable. One is passing off stalking and harrasment of a JK by a man 10 years older as comedy, the other deals with the tragedy of a girl who has apparently been abused and has not been given any sense of self worth, who apparently has learnt men only want one thing and that's the only way left for her to make it through life (without actually wánting to do that) and is in fact stunned by the fact she ran into a man, acting like adults shóuld act, who dóesn't want that from her. This is not a case of double standards, it's a case of 2 series being judged on their own merits. Of the 2 shows I can say I appreciate the way the latter handles its subject matter a whole lot more. I'll say I found the 2nd episode of Koikimo slightly less cringe inducing but I think the biggest comedy in it is the fact Ichica is acting more mature than the actual adult is. But I still think the way in which the fact an adult is persuing a JK 10 years younger is handled, the fact there are no other adults who seem to think this is wrong and a school"friend" is just handing Ichica over to her brother (because it may lead to interesting developments, for her entertainment?) is all sorts of questionable and I hope the series will address this at some point. The fact she tells her brother she will not tolerate him hurting Iticha only barely redeems her from the fact she supported his harrassment by giving him information on ichica to help him in his pursuit of her. We'll see what happens next, it better be good or I'm dropping this show. |
LeviathanTheEsp said: Misuta-Kitsune said: First episode, 4:50.. he proposes to kiss her and about 16 seconds later he seems to be proposing something more than that. Is that a sexual I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T? It doesn't seem like it. But even if it were, it's does not show his M-A-I-N sexual interests, which is what ephebophilia is about. You may feel sexually attracted to a 17 year old person, but if it's not your main sexual attraction, it's not ephebophilia. It was a creepy proposal of offering his body as a reward for saving him, and that's it. It doesn't show anything about his sexual attraction, or even his romantic attraction, since at the moment there was none of that. Misuta-Kitsune said: I'm not here to debate on terminology, but that kind of behaviour from a 25 year old towards a 15 year old,... is not okay. Yeah, his behaviour is not okay, but that's the point of the show. Did you translate the title? But he's not 25 and she's not 15. She's 17 which is over the age of consent in most of the world. his behaviour His behaviour is only as bad as Ichika sees it. After the key moment in which she said he was creepy (he was), his behaviour changed, being more annoying than anything else, preparing the stage for the Boke/Tsukkomi scenes. It's still not okay, but since Ichika doesn't see it as something that bad, it's just not (that bad).I mean if he kept making proposals about kissing or sex or stuff AFTER he crushed, well I think Ichika would be reacting really different and I'd get all the hate. But no. That's not it. About their ages,... You are right, I was wrong. But those 2 years don't change all that much for me. Sure, we will possibly see a birthday and she'll be 18.... and that still doesn't make múch of a difference to me. Legal does not automatically mean it's OK. Yeah, his behaviour is not okay, but that's the point of the show. Did you translate the title? I don't need to translate, apart from the fact I read a bit of Japanese, it has been done for us... ;) I know the point of the show,... but imo it handles it badly.It fails to show that through the reactions of the surrounding characters, no other adults who judge him on his behaviour, damn,.... his friend, who should know better, even supports this and eggs him on, Ichica's mother seems to think it's all fine? Her schoolfriend basically delivers her to her brother practically wrapped in a bow and thinks nothing of it, the fact she tells him not to hurt her is barely a redeeming factor. His behaviour is only as bad as Ichika sees it. It's still not okay, but since Ichika doesn't see it as something that bad, it's just not (that bad). I'm having trouble agreeing with that,... his behaviour being bad has no correlation to her view on it imo,... perhaps I'm just misunderstanding what you mean exactly. Even her being accepting of his behaviour doesn't make it right. Look, I know what the show is trying to do,... We see a man who has never had to put any effort into getting women, who has never even asked a girl out because they all flock to him and as a result he's basically shallow... for lack of a better word right now. Then he bumps into a girl who is kind to him but shows no interest and that sparks a sort of obsession in him... what's supposed to ensue now is the fact Ichica is basically more mature than he is (which I find the better part of the comedy in this) will have a good impact on him and ultimately make him a better person.... Whether or not this will in the end lead to a romantic involvement between them actually remains to be seen so it's hard to fully shoot down the series after just 2 episodes. The 2nd episode managed to creep me out moderatly less than the first so i'm giving it a chance,... but I remain of the opinion the subject matter could have been executed in a better way. |
| I think many defending the anime by comparing it with Hige wo Soru are only seeing it through Adult-teen relationship, completely disregarding about how in one anime the 27 year old Adult Male protagonist stalk the the teen Female regardless of how she feels. THIS IS NOT HEALTHY and I don't think stalking and harassment is legal even in Japan. A NO by someone should be taken as NO. Not a reason to try even harder. Minor Spoilers How come the action of Ryou is comparable to Sayu, he is far too mature, successful, has pretty good experience with the opposite sex, and went on to harass and stalk a teen girl despite her discomfort while Sayu is a teen, helpless, immature, has only seen the world which objectified her, thinks everybody wants something in return and not to forget she doesn't understand the world like Ryou. This is not hypocritical, you are comparing a 17 year old with a 27 year old who grew up in totally different surroundings. Even if it was about a 27yo women doing same with a teen boy that wouldn't be a candy to watch or 17yo teen boy jumping over a 27yo lady. Even though it's an anime, it's not a fantasy or even Isekai. These anime are set in real world, televised on TV so viewers will definitely draw conclusion with real life, an example being A Place Further than the Universe. How are you planning to defend stalking/harassment? Although I don't make opinion based on few episodes but considering the source material, this anime is really not healthy. So stop defending the obsessing stalking behavior of the Male Protagonist. I am advocating in favour of Hige wo Soru, that for the other viewers to decide on its flaws or good points. But KoiKimo has some serious issues which shouldn't be appreciated. |
dushtApr 10, 2021 8:20 AM
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Misuta-Kitsune said: About their ages,... You are right, I was wrong. But those 2 years don't change all that much for me. Sure, we will possibly see a birthday and she'll be 18.... and that still doesn't make múch of a difference to me. Legal does not automatically mean it's OK. There is no difference between 17 and 18 since both are over consent age in most of the world. But as I said this show is not about sexual relations so consent age has nothing to do here. Of course, because his behaviour, besides the kiss thing only Ichika heard, isn't bad per sé. Sending gifts is not bad, talking to someone you know when you see them isn't bad. Joking with someone, helping them to study and complimenting them isn't bad per sé. That's all that happens in episode 1. It's only bad when Ichika doesn't like it or accept it, and feels bothered by it, but the issue is, for example, she needs to tell his mother she's really creeped out and not only embarassed that her mother noticed she was getting gifts and stuff, otherwise her mother's not going to know. Same for everyone. Ryo's friend WAS creeped out, even if he was told about it while drunk, but nobody but her can tell how bothered she is about it, because everyone can see Ichika keeps engaging with him, talking with him, etc. The truth is... Ichika isn't bothered that much. his behaviour being bad has no correlation to her view Okay. So you have issues with an age gap romance, even if it doesn't have anything sexual about it. Ok. That's your issue. Because... if it's legal and it doesn't bother anyone, it's okay. That's what morals is about: That you are free to do whatever given that it doesn't affect anyone. And you're still free to do something even if it moderately affects someone, with a few restrictions. It depends on the kind of bothered, in this case the limit is their patience. So yes. Her schoolfriend basically delivers her to her brother practically wrapped in a bow and thinks nothing of it, the fact she tells him not to hurt her is barely a redeeming factor. How so? By telling him information about her? How is that in any way preventing Ichika to decide on the matter? She can throw away or not receive all the stuff she gets, she can report him (and she knows she can, manga stuff), she can just go away if she encounters him (and report him if he follows her). She's not "wrapped in any way". She's just bothered by it, and how she deals with it is her choice. |
LeviathanTheEspApr 10, 2021 1:07 PM
LeviathanTheEsp said: Misuta-Kitsune said: About their ages,... You are right, I was wrong. But those 2 years don't change all that much for me. Sure, we will possibly see a birthday and she'll be 18.... and that still doesn't make múch of a difference to me. Legal does not automatically mean it's OK. There is no difference between 17 and 18 since both are over consent age in most of the world. But as I said this show is not about sexual relations so consent age has nothing to do here. Of course, because his behaviour, besides the kiss thing only Ichika heard, isn't bad per sé. Sending gifts is not bad, talking to someone you know when you see them isn't bad. Joking with someone, helping them to study and complimenting them isn't bad per sé. That's all that happens in episode 1. It's only bad when Ichika doesn't like it or accept it, and feels bothered by it, but the issue is, for example, she needs to tell his mother she's really creeped out and not only embarassed that her mother noticed she was getting gifts and stuff, otherwise her mother's not going to know. Same for everyone. Ryo's friend WAS creeped out, even if he was told about it while drunk, but nobody but her can tell how bothered she is about it, because everyone can see Ichika keeps engaging with him, talking with him, etc. The truth is... Ichika isn't bothered that much. his behaviour being bad has no correlation to her view Okay. So you have issues with an age gap romance, even if it doesn't have anything sexual about it. Ok. That's your issue. Because... if it's legal and it doesn't bother anyone, it's okay. That's what morals is about: That you are free to do whatever given that it doesn't affect anyone. And you're still free to do something even if it moderately affects someone, with a few restrictions. It depends on the kind of bothered, in this case the limit is their patience. So yes. Her schoolfriend basically delivers her to her brother practically wrapped in a bow and thinks nothing of it, the fact she tells him not to hurt her is barely a redeeming factor. How so? By telling him information about her? How is that in any way preventing Ichika to decide on the matter? She can throw away or not receive all the stuff she gets, she can report him (and she knows she can, manga stuff), she can just go away if she encounters him (and report him if he follows her). She's not "wrapped in any way". She's just bothered by it, and how she deals with it is her choice. To put an end to your assumption,... I have no problem whatsoeverwith an age gap, two couples I know have age gaps ranging from 10 to 15 years,... it's the age of the youngest when it starts that is the problem. Again, the legal age of consent has, indeed, no bearing on this at all. The fact she's legal doesn't make this right. You may think an 18 year old has his/her shit together and is able to make informed decisions,... as I'm a little older (quite a bit older than Ryou) remembering my 17, 18 year old self.... 18 year olds are still kids in comparison to someone who has had the time and life experience to mature. Their brains have only júst fully developed. A 27 year old should not be pursuiing an 17 year old, things would be different if she were, say,... 23 or something? A mother knowing a 27/28 year old is pursuing her daughter, sending gifts every day should be very concerned about this. NO = NO,... so him continuing to harrass her (even if we let her age out of it) is objectively wrong. As a near 30 year old going to a school festival to show your friend the object of your crush,.. a schoolkid.... putting her in all kinds of embarrassing situations? What the hell are you thinking? Sorry, but to me that's all kinds of wrong. He is continuously forcing himself upon her, invading her private life, bullying her into submission... whichever way you look at it, it's objectively bad behaviour. Ryo's friend WAS creeped out, even if he was told about it while drunk, Eh,... no, he wasn't, watch the episode again from 9:38... He was just surprised his friend finally had a crush on someone, even felt it was cause for celebration, regardless of the fact it involved a JK.... Yes,... he "yiked" at the idea Ryuo "offered her his body", rightfully so,........ but I'm not even sure he was creeped out about the fact he propositioned (because that's what it was) a highschool girl or the fact he "offered" himself to a woman, which Ryou never did before..... And then he proceeded to call his friend's JK crush at 1:30am... because he wants to know what she sounds like???? Huh? If a friend of mine, at that age, had told me something similarI would certainly not react in such a manner, I'd be having a talk comparable to what i wrote above and would most definitely not support him by visiting a school festival with him, I'd be talking him out of pursuing this any further. So, no adult in the room there either,.... I guess because his friend being real with him would ruin the "comedy" aspect of the show. Regardless of my feelings on a 27 year old going after a 17 year old however.... I don't think Ryou is a bad person, an all out scumbag, I just don't condone this kind of behaviour.... but... I think what we all can conclude from the series is the fact he definitely isn't the mature one in this story and I regard that as the biggest part of the comedy. It's obvious he is experiencing his very first crush, for whatever reason, in his life... and that has made him revert to the behaviour of a 17 year old... So the joke lies in the fact Ichika is in fact behaving as the more mature one in all of this. this is what makes watching this júst bearable for me. I do fear however, the way this show is handling things so far, the level of writing, the way things are just played off as "comedy", there is a risk of it taking a turn real soon where it loses this only edge it has and I see myself dropping this. But who knows, it may surprise me..... I think it's clear we think about some of the subject matter quite differently and it may have something to do with either the fact we are looking at this from a very different age perspective or the fact I have, having worked in youth care, dealt with kids and young adults who were groomed/harrassed into an unhealthy relationship this way, even thinking they were OK with this but ending up with emotional/psychological scars as a result. So, yeah, maybe I'm a bitbiased against this sort of thing. So there's not much you can say, not even about "legal" age, that will change my mind on age gaps starting between people on an entirely different level of maturity. Let's just leave it at that... ;) Oh, just a slight edit on the facts about her schoolfrien providing info on her to her brother: How so? By telling him information about her? How is that in any way preventing Ichika to decide on the matter? There's this little thing called privacy, she shouldn't have given her brother any information that would force Ichika in the sutuation to háve to deal with the unwanted attention in the first place. She can throw away or not receive all the stuff she gets, she can report him (and she knows she can, manga stuff), she can just go away if she encounters him (and report him if he follows her). She's not "wrapped in any way". She's just bothered by it, and how she deals with it is her choice. Again, she shouldn't have been forced into having to deal with any of it,... 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Misuta-KitsuneApr 11, 2021 6:09 AM
sheluvsessence said: one is a responsible adult in his mid-20s who should know better and is repeatedly asked to stop but continues while the other is a mentally fucked up naive young girl who was exploited by terrible ppl and atleast (for most of the time) stops when she's told toOkay so I was sitting in bed and I just had to get this off my mind and see if anyone agreed, is anyone not gonna talk about the crap reviews on this anime. They wanna say that the guy was harassing her and the age gap is awful but when the anime "Higehiro" or known has "I shaved my beard and picked up a highschool girl" came out, no one talked about the over sexualized stunts that were pulled by an underage girl towards a 26 year old and didnt give it a 1/10 because of age gap in that anime.... guess who was harassing who with more awful stunts, THE GIRL. I looked at some of the reviewers accounts and they dont give one single care about it in the anime higehiro but proceed to give it an 8/10 but gave Koi to yobu a 1/10. Man please this just angers me.... I just hope that by the end of the show it goes up to at least 7.57 or 7.87 like Higehiro because this is just absurd dawg. I guess people liked how sexual the girl in Higehero was. |
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Misuta-Kitsune said: To put an end to your assumption,... I have no problem whatsoeverwith an age gap, two couples I know have age gaps ranging from 10 to 15 years,... it's the age of the youngest when it starts that is the problem. Again, the legal age of consent has, indeed, no bearing on this at all. The fact she's legal doesn't make this right. You may think an 18 year old has his/her shit together and is able to make informed decisions,... as I'm a little older (quite a bit older than Ryou) remembering my 17, 18 year old self.... 18 year olds are still kids in comparison to someone who has had the time and life experience to mature. Their brains have only júst fully developed. A 27 year old should not be pursuiing an 17 year old, things would be different if she were, say,... 23 or something? An 18 year old person has the right of making their own choices. Are they mature enough? Maybe not. But they have the right and yes. It's okay for an 18 year old person to make wrong choices. It's part of life. Getting romantically involved to a 27 years old person being 18 can be a bad choice, BUT getting romantically involved to a 18 years old person can ALSO be a bad choice. There is no big difference. If anything, the younger person being more immature can be counterproductive for a relation with them. Society literally makes 18 year old people decide about their careers, which is how their own life is gonna go. To be honest, even with school helping, people are not ready to make an informed choice there. If we wait, it may take 5-6 years at least until they are. So... no. You may argue that young adults cannot make informed decisions, but young adults have to take informed decisions every day. Being 18 makes you responsible for your actions, and being 18 makes it so society will treat you like an adult. Also, for so many things old adults cannot make informed decisions either. At this point of life, even my mom keeps making worong decisions daily, which I cannot prevent because she won't hear me about that. But that's her choice and that's her life. So... yeah, if you have an issue with that, well it's yours. Misuta-Kitsune said: A mother knowing a 27/28 year old is pursuing her daughter, sending gifts every day should be very concerned about this. At this point she has no way of knowing he's 27, but why should she? Not everyone must share your vision about how the state should protect a young adult. Misuta-Kitsune said: NO = NO,... so him continuing to harrass her (even if we let her age out of it) is objectively wrong. Even if we let her age out of it? No. Because harassment, objectively is defined as "behaviour towards someone that is threatening or that annoys or upsets them". So for something to be harassment, the person receiving it must dislike it, be annoyed, be upset, reject it, etcétera. If you have an issue with her age that's you, but as I said, it's only harassment if she's annoyed (or the other things) by it, and harassment is only as bad as the person receiving feels about it. If she doesn't feel that bad, it's not. It's still harassment, until she thinks it's not bad at all. Misuta-Kitsune said: Well, not really. It's normal to get into all kinds of embarassing situations, if you only feel embarassed and not something else. That's not wrong in any way, and that's a way for human interactions to work.As a near 30 year old going to a school festival to show your friend the object of your crush,.. a schoolkid.... putting her in all kinds of embarrassing situations? What the hell are you thinking? Sorry, but to me that's all kinds of wrong. Misuta-Kitsune said: "bullying her into submission". That's a complete exaggeration of what happens in the show. Most of the interactions are just Boke and Tsukkomi between the two. But again, those behaviours you say are only as wrong as the receiver sees them.He is continuously forcing himself upon her, invading her private life, bullying her into submission... whichever way you look at it, it's objectively bad behaviour. Did you see his reaction when he was told about how it started? It doesn't seem so... Because, that's your issue, not his. So you did. Yes, he probably didn't look at the time while drunk, it happens. She was so clear in her answer that he knew it was his fault. Because that's your issue... Misuta-Kitsune said: Regardless of my feelings on a 27 year old going after a 17 year old however.... Okay. So it's your issue. Why? While "legal doesn't make it right", legal means you have to deal with it if it happens. Is she old enough to deal with it? She is. But all of this is besides the point. Nobody has been forced to deal with anything. It's fiction. Also I don't understand how you try to tell the mangaka about how she should write about it. The story was originally directed mainly to Japanese women, and I'm sure she thought about how she wanted to write it, to make it interesting and successful. I doubt your idea to make it better would. Misuta-Kitsune said: With regards to "manga stuff", I watch and judge any anime adaptation on its own merits, if it doesn't stand on its own it fails as anime,... the source material doesn't matter. When I talked about the source material I meant some minor spoilers about the topic of future conversations between them. I'm not talking about differences between the manga and the anime. Misuta-Kitsune said: There's this little thing called privacy, she shouldn't have given her brother any information that would force Ichika in the sutuation to háve to deal with the unwanted attention in the first place. Why? For starters, Rio couldn't know he'd do that, or that Ichika would reject it that badly (wait, she didn't) since he'd never behaved like that before... but even then, as I said that behaviour is only as bad as Ichika sees it. The rest has been shown to be your own issue about the topic, and not something which is objectively wrong. By the way, that's not grooming. Grooming is "befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse." There is no such objective here. |
LeviathanTheEspApr 12, 2021 10:22 PM
| Koi's comedy and romance are pretty good. Better than the other show you're talking about. Well if the MC girl is a horny hot girl , they'll give a high rating.. Pretty sure the rating will go up from this. |
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Groenboys said: sheluvsessence said: Disregarding that early reviews are trash and kneejerk reactions to premieres, there is a big difference between Higehiro and Koikimo.Okay so I was sitting in bed and I just had to get this off my mind and see if anyone agreed, is anyone not gonna talk about the crap reviews on this anime. They wanna say that the guy was harassing her and the age gap is awful but when the anime "Higehiro" or known has "I shaved my beard and picked up a highschool girl" came out, no one talked about the over sexualized stunts that were pulled by an underage girl towards a 26 year old and didnt give it a 1/10 because of age gap in that anime.... guess who was harassing who with more awful stunts, THE GIRL. I looked at some of the reviewers accounts and they dont give one single care about it in the anime higehiro but proceed to give it an 8/10 but gave Koi to yobu a 1/10. Man please this just angers me.... I just hope that by the end of the show it goes up to at least 7.57 or 7.87 like Higehiro because this is just absurd dawg. I guess people liked how sexual the girl in Higehero was. In Koikimo, the anime revolves around a 27 year old guy falling in love with a 17 year old. This guy then proceeds to endlessly harass the 17 year old till the falls in love with him, and since this is an anime she probably will. In Higehiro, the anime revolves around people of similar ages, but the guy doesn't immediately fall in love with the girl. The girl tries to harass the guy into having sex with her, but it falls on deaf ears because the guy is not interested in her. I think a big difference between the 27 year old creep in Koikimo and the creepy young girl in Higehiro is intention. The 27 year old in Koikimo falls in love instantly with the young girl, and the anime revolves around that being funny. Making this kind of anime in the era of #MeToo is highly uncomfortable and tone deaf. In Higehiro, you can argue that the anime is too horny for the young girl, but in terms of the story it is different then Koikimo. In Higehiro the girl acts that way because she has done those kinds of actions for presumably months to stay alive. It is the only way that she knows how to keep a shelter, so her morals all revolve around that mindset. The moment she comes in contact with someone who is actually caring, she doesn't know what to do thus she does stupid actions. Koikimo isn't that intelligent and uses this kind of relationship for comedic purposes only while Higehiro explores the mindset of a person clearly fucked up by her environment being challenged by actual kindness and decency. I am not saying that Higehiro is suddenly okay because Koikimo is not. You can find both uncomfortable, one of them uncomfortable or neither of them uncomfortable for multiple reasons, but claiming that these people are "biased and hypocritical" because they gave Koikimo a 1 and Higehiro an 8 shows that you have no idea what people don't like about Koikimo and what people like about Higehiro instead. damn I'm 100% agree with you. there is a big difference between the two. I don't know how they keep watching this show. The MC is so creepy like what the hell? "I can't date my sister but I can date my sister's best friend" |
| Except in Higehiro the girl probably had shitty parents, which made her make stupid decisions. The MC in Higehiro doesn't want to do anything with a teenaged girl. Even if this wasn't an age gap, it would still be weird. This guy is a fucking creep, like hes so god damn weird. In Higehiro the MC has great morales which im not used to after watching a certain anime with a certain character *cough* *cough* *Rudeus* Essentially, the girl in Higehiro has a shit ton of excuses for acting like this(and its kinda sad because people do act like this in real life) meanwhile the MC of this has has literally no excuses, hes just a fucking creep. There is no "Double standards", its as simple as one has excuses and the other one doesn't. Also your the one fucking sexualizing the relationship. As someone who sexualizes every relationship I see, Higehiro did a great job on making it clear on what the relationship is supposed to be like. And the nail in the coffin.... the girl in Higehiro is the kid. The age gap is in her favor in this case. |
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| The new generation of kids and cancel culture is to blame. They moan about everything to boost their internet ego and sjw stat xD. Nothing new here, it's not like they even matter in the internet and society anyways; like they think they do |
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| There's a difference between the two shows. Here, the MC is a total creep (as of now), but in Higehiro, the MC is a person with standards and morales. |
| This show isn’t even that funny, art style is generic, it’s more boring than literally every show that’s airing and better anime of this type are airing this season. I should’ve skipped out on this one. I’m just gonna watch it for shits and giggles, although this show can’t make me laugh worth a shit. |
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