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The computer graphics was top notch, and that is about all we can say at this point. Almost disconnected 6 stories which do not tie in into a wholesome narrative yet. As the producer Urobuchi decided this was to be so. Okay. Hopefully the others are right and this is a prequel to actual series... Which I highly doubt.

The concepts were interesting and again the unadulterated freedom of expression helps the authors make several points. Which you either understand already or have not developed well enough to understand them either way. Besides the usual social critique, the most interesting thing was the Peddlers and their attitude towards the Earth. No contemporary mainstream thought school would find this depiction of alien race believable - considering their level of advancement, merely giving superior technology away for something like minerals is too extreme, or even grotesque. But the whole narrative can develop into an interesting, even bigger and better social critique. A shame Youtube had fingers in this, no chances of sponsorship for a full-fledged story. Unless someone from Japan pays Urobuchi...

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"Africa is the one that get advantage they have no military industrial complex like USA or other Superpower nation."

There is only one superpower. You mean "other major powers". And I don't think you talk like that in real life: "military industrial complex". That's a media word.

Besides other stuff which reeks of lack of education and insight into how the complex world works, I will note that as far as the reality is concerned, there are three superpowers - USA, Russia, China. All equally dangerous for the world peace and prosperity.

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Daniel_Naumov said:

The computer graphics was top notch

No they weren't, but they work well enough.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Almost disconnected 6 stories which do not tie in into a wholesome narrative yet.

But I liked this fragmented storytelling - seeing only facets from a bigger picture with a lot of pieces missing, making you theorizing what is going on. Also I liked the references to other franchises (Starship Troopers for example).

Daniel_Naumov said:
As the producer Urobuchi decided this was to be so.

I guess they didn't have money and resources for longer series, also I prefer this format because Urobuchi-san usually has some great ideas but don't develop them in ways that I like.

Daniel_Naumov said:
the most interesting thing was the Peddlers and their attitude towards the Earth.

It's kind of obvious that from their part of the bargain they want to destabilized Earth's economy and put the politics in disarray. Also they use some cheap recycled robotics (and eventually some agents on ground creating guerrilla cells) to do so - adding sustainably to their probably military operation is a nice touch.

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Dec 28, 2019 1:03 AM

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alshu said:

It's kind of obvious that from their part of the bargain they want to destabilized Earth's economy and put the politics in disarray. Also they use some cheap recycled robotics (and eventually some agents on ground creating guerrilla cells) to do so - adding sustainably to their probably military operation is a nice touch.

What made you believe the Peddlers are already set as villains? They merely came to trade, and so far they have been trading with humanity fairly and indiscriminately. They also have no agents on their own, or at least there was no clue that there are any of them on the Earth. The Peddlers are hanging up in the sky in their UFOs, trading limestone. Guerillas are not a part of their plan, but rather a logical outcome of indiscriminate trade with all of humanity. The robots were also hinted to be previously alive beings, and the arab woman theorizes that they are all different and came from different place with different history. There are a lot of interesting concepts about them they could explore.

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Daniel_Naumov said:

What made you believe the Peddlers are already set as villains?

Because what is happening is too systematic and too convenient for eventual future invasion/conquering to be a coincidence.

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They merely came to trade, and so far they have been trading with humanity fairly and indiscriminately.

Why only limestone (which sounds pointless for space ferrying civilisation) and why only for mechs?
This is kind of suspicious to me.

Daniel_Naumov said:
They also have no agents on their own

Well not literary undercover aliens but humans who are working for them. Sponsored terrorists?

Daniel_Naumov said:
Guerillas are not a part of their plan

Those guerillas are too well organized and already have global influence. those things don't happen automatically when the political conditions are right - someone must organize/coordinate them and this someone could be from Earth...but it would be too much of coincidence.

Daniel_Naumov said:
but rather a logical outcome of indiscriminate trade with all of humanity

Well maybe the aliens are not directly involved still those mechs look like trojan horses to me (ironically can be used as horses too).

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Dec 28, 2019 5:10 AM

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alshu said:

Why only limestone (which sounds pointless for space ferrying civilisation) and why only for mechs?
This is kind of suspicious to me.

You seem to be looking at the situation from a single point of view. Open yourself up. Limestone is a material resource, which is limited. Thus, without knowing why they, aliens, need it, we can assume that IF they want it from humans then they do not have it from where they can get it themselves. It might be a limited resource for them which is needed for survival, or a crucial material they have no access to on their homeplanet.

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Dec 28, 2019 6:28 AM

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Daniel_Naumov said:

You seem to be looking at the situation from a single point of view.

It's only a hypothesis tho.

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Open yourself up.

Naaah, it's cold outside.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Limestone is a material resource, which is limited.

But how do you use that in space? (base of roads, concrete, white paint...)

Daniel_Naumov said:
It might be a limited resource for them which is needed for survival, or a crucial material they have no access to on their homeplanet.

If they somehow have build such an advanced civilisation thus they don't need limestone.

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Daniel_Naumov said:

You seem to be looking at the situation from a single point of view.

It's only a hypothesis tho.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Open yourself up.

Naaah, it's cold outside.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Limestone is a material resource, which is limited.

But how do you use that in space? (base of roads, concrete, white paint...)

Daniel_Naumov said:
It might be a limited resource for them which is needed for survival, or a crucial material they have no access to on their homeplanet.

If they somehow have build such an advanced civilisation thus they don't need limestone.

Again, your are too narrow minded as it is. We do not know anything about what form alien race can take. You consider it from the viewpoint of a human to whom limestone is expendable and not exactly valuable. I can come with several ideas as to why it could be important to a life form differentiating from human one. The easiest example is that limestone has elements that are necessary for, say, population increase or prolonged functioning of the aliens. They need it on a chemical level just like humans need vitamins to stay healthy and keep functioning. This is an obvious simple and possible scenario which could justify when they need limestone WITHOUT having ulterior malicious motives.

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Daniel_Naumov said:

Again, your are too narrow minded as it is.

Trying to guess what is going on is narrow minded - cool.

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The easiest example is that limestone has elements that are necessary for, say, population increase or prolonged functioning of the aliens.

Exactly because limestone is a product of our biosphere makes it less probable that it would have health benefits for aliens who come from eventually drastically different biosphere.

Daniel_Naumov said:
This is an obvious simple and possible scenario which could justify when they need limestone WITHOUT having ulterior malicious motives.

It's also possible that they really need the limestone but also have ulterior malicious motives.

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alshu said:

Daniel_Naumov said:

Again, your are too narrow minded as it is.

Trying to guess what is going on is narrow minded - cool.

Daniel_Naumov said:
The easiest example is that limestone has elements that are necessary for, say, population increase or prolonged functioning of the aliens.

Exactly because limestone is a product of our biosphere makes it less probable that it would have health benefits for aliens who come from eventually drastically different biosphere.

Daniel_Naumov said:
This is an obvious simple and possible scenario which could justify when they need limestone WITHOUT having ulterior malicious motives.

It's also possible that they really need the limestone but also have ulterior malicious motives.

It is possible but it does not mean it is the case. Yet from your input it is clear you have already labeled them as the villains who want to destabilize the planet. This is done by Urobuchi Gen. He is not doing bland narratives for quite some time now. If anything this is a fresh take on this "first contact" and it would definitely be better to consider the implications of being able to fairly obtain tools of empowerment, and how it would transform the world wide conflicts. If anything, this is another social critique by Gen.

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Daniel_Naumov said:

It is possible but it does not mean it is the case.

This goes without saying.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Yet from your input it is clear you have already labeled them as the villains who want to destabilize the planet.

Because they are acting very suspiciously.

Daniel_Naumov said:
This is done by Urobuchi Gen. He is not doing bland narratives for quite some time now.

I don't share your love for Urobuchi-san but a story where the real villain manipulates the lesser villains to kill each other with minimum efforts just because humans are evil by nature doesn't sound that bland to me.

Daniel_Naumov said:
If anything, this is another social critique by Gen.

Of course it is, my hypothesis doesn't go against that.

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Aside from the first episode, I really liked this prolog so far! the whole grounded in reality storytelling was very breath of fresh air to watch.

I thought the CGI were decent too except most of the battle scenes lacks something or sometimes way too long tbh.

This overall original show seems very niche still hope someday this will turn out into a big show.

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