Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata ♭ Episode 7 Discussion

keima25 said:
for 2 months he did nothing? stupid MC

ZBlastHistory said:
So did our MC really get what the problem or will be playing stupid again?

hoopla123 said:
It's so frustrating to see how the adaptation is rushing the most important parts of the LN series.

It's to the point where anime only viewers are so focused on something that isn't the main issue (aka Kato apology/make up) instead of focusing on the real central problem/conflict of the series (which is Eriri's slump). Of course this is the anime adaptation to blame because they did an extremely poor job and skipped on a ton of important material....

They also cut out on a TON of Eriri x Tomoya moments. Pretty fucking ridiculous really and I'm not even a fan of Eriri lol... Same obviously goes for Utaha but her spotlight will come soon (if they delete this scene, I'll probably die of a brain tumor...).

Just like last episode I guess time to point out what they missed this episode for the 1st 1/3 of Vol 7...

Things that the anime adaptation skipped/changed:

> Eriri and Tomoya spending time/pretty much all night together watching anime and cuddling.

> Tomoya asking Eriri if she is in a slump and getting worried in his thoughts that he should stop her and set her up straight asap (THIS IS VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT as you will see in the last few episodes of this season).

> Eriri also lashes out at Tomoya a little when Tomoya tries to put pressure on her to do the new cover illustration, saying that she thinks that they should drop it and it doesn't really seem necessary to make one (this is IMPORTANT as it shows Eriri knows she is not only in a slump, but also very desperate).

> Iori also doesn't give chocolate to Tomoya in place of Izumi before Eriri at all. Eriri is the first person to give chocolate to Tomoya and he receives it when Eriri comes over to his house (which are shown in the points above).

> Utaha and Tomoya have lunch in a burger shop, not in school (why does A-1 Pictures keep changing the locations? This shouldn't even be a problem for them).

>Skipped a ton of Utaha x Tomoya banter, also Tomoya did not read Utaha's new LN prior to meeting Utaha (anime says he read it three times) and actually reads it in front of her while Utaha teases him with little spoilers.

> Tomoya comments on Utaha's LN illustrator and Utaha tells him that he is a "handsome playboy university student." (This bit is foreshadowing for a character that appears in Girls Side Vol 2 in the LNs and is one of the top three illustrators in the series, also makes an appearance in Koisuru Metronome spinoff manga).

> Tomoya also has a ton of inner dialogue in this scene with Utaha where he feels extremely conflicted. He wants to congratulate her on her graduation but at the same time doesn't want her to go. A quote from the LN: "I want to read senpai's new work as soon as possible. But I want to make a game with her as well. I want to always admire her, as her #1 fan. But I also want to be her co-worker and put in the effort together. I know this but, I'm just throwing a tantrum like a kid to Utaha senpai. I just want too much..."

> When Tomoya tells Utaha that he wants to continue the doujin group, Utaha asks him if he is going to continue a doujin group without any demanding passion and objective. Tomoya responds by saying that he doesn't want to put too much pressure on his group members when he barely works compared to Eriri and Utaha but Utaha cuts him off by saying that its his job as the director/producer to be demanding and that's the reason why she agreed to all his demanding requests before the game's official release.

> Utaha also tells Tomoya that she has received multiple job offers from even big companies after she became famous for their VN's scenario writing.

> And since they are in a burger shop, Eriri doesn't hear what Utaha is saying at all (she isn't even sneaking around).

> Iori's [rouge en rouge] group vs Tomoya's [Blessing Software] VN sales competition ends in a 3000 :100 sales ratio lead for [rouge en rouge] aka the competition wasn't even close to a tie or gave Iori's group a real run for the money in terms of sales... However Iori does mention that the reviews for Tomoya's new VN is much better and due to Tomoya's group running out of stock, some people ended up buying Iori's VN instead during Comiket.

> Iori also warns Tomoya to be careful/wary of Akane. Iori tells Tomoya that Akane is the original founder of rouge en rouge and after making it into a successful doujin group, moved onto working on much bigger things and such (VERY IMPORTANT PART DITCHED BY THE ADAPTATION).

> The final scene with Tomoya writing up the rough draft for the "Saekano" VN project doesn't come until only after a brief but VERY important school day scene with Eriri where Eriri asks Tomoya for help in regards to what she should do about her slump. She feels like she can't get out of it by herself and just feels overall down, even saying "do you think I need to keep being a creator?" Tomoya tells her that he can't pressure her anymore and he will respect any path that Eriri takes in terms of illustrations (essentially Tomoya putting the problem away).

> Tomoya during this small conversation with Eriri tells himself that in the past all he thought of Eriri's works were that they were just "great" but not "outstanding". However, after the events of volume 6 and seeing her illustrations after her getting sick and refueling her passion for drawing, he realized that she had drew her best illustrations yet, that far surpassed what he had ever seen before. Despite knowing that him putting pressure on Eriri will push her to becoming an even better illustrator and help her get out of her slump, he feels guilty in the fact that she fell sick during the arc of Volume 6 and is afraid to pressure her on.


Overall, this part of the LN is supposed to focus HEAVILY on Eriri's slump as a creator and foreshadowing for certain characters and what may come to be. The adaptation seemed to turn the focus on Kato and Tomoya making up instead which makes honestly no sense at all... They also got rid of a ton of character interaction moments with Tomoya, Eriri and Utaha that further develops and shows just how close these three are and what they really think of each other. This is important for a series like Saekano where it's not the story that carries the series, but the characters and their relationships (which is also the main focus of the series itself).

Very disappointing...

XaneKudo said:


I imagine that they want to try and stop on a good point.

From what I've seen that's been cut, some of the dialogue would've taken up a lot of time, nearly forcing the anime to end on a big unfinished note. Cutting out some of the dialogue is a gamble, but a rushed ending is better than a unfinished one.

Besides, we can always have OVAs to count on.

hoopla123 said:
It's so frustrating to see how the adaptation is rushing the most important parts of the LN series.

It's to the point where anime only viewers are so focused on something that isn't the main issue (aka Kato apology/make up) instead of focusing on the real central problem/conflict of the series (which is Eriri's slump). Of course this is the anime adaptation to blame because they did an extremely poor job and skipped on a ton of important material....

They also cut out on a TON of Eriri x Tomoya moments. Pretty fucking ridiculous really and I'm not even a fan of Eriri lol... Same obviously goes for Utaha but her spotlight will come soon (if they delete this scene, I'll probably die of a brain tumor...).

Just like last episode I guess time to point out what they missed this episode for the 1st 1/3 of Vol 7...

Things that the anime adaptation skipped/changed:

> Eriri and Tomoya spending time/pretty much all night together watching anime and cuddling.

> Tomoya asking Eriri if she is in a slump and getting worried in his thoughts that he should stop her and set her up straight asap (THIS IS VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT as you will see in the last few episodes of this season).

> Eriri also lashes out at Tomoya a little when Tomoya tries to put pressure on her to do the new cover illustration, saying that she thinks that they should drop it and it doesn't really seem necessary to make one (this is IMPORTANT as it shows Eriri knows she is not only in a slump, but also very desperate).

> Iori also doesn't give chocolate to Tomoya in place of Izumi before Eriri at all. Eriri is the first person to give chocolate to Tomoya and he receives it when Eriri comes over to his house (which are shown in the points above).

> Utaha and Tomoya have lunch in a burger shop, not in school (why does A-1 Pictures keep changing the locations? This shouldn't even be a problem for them).

>Skipped a ton of Utaha x Tomoya banter, also Tomoya did not read Utaha's new LN prior to meeting Utaha (anime says he read it three times) and actually reads it in front of her while Utaha teases him with little spoilers.

> Tomoya comments on Utaha's LN illustrator and Utaha tells him that he is a "handsome playboy university student." (This bit is foreshadowing for a character that appears in Girls Side Vol 2 in the LNs and is one of the top three illustrators in the series, also makes an appearance in Koisuru Metronome spinoff manga).

> Tomoya also has a ton of inner dialogue in this scene with Utaha where he feels extremely conflicted. He wants to congratulate her on her graduation but at the same time doesn't want her to go. A quote from the LN: "I want to read senpai's new work as soon as possible. But I want to make a game with her as well. I want to always admire her, as her #1 fan. But I also want to be her co-worker and put in the effort together. I know this but, I'm just throwing a tantrum like a kid to Utaha senpai. I just want too much..."

> When Tomoya tells Utaha that he wants to continue the doujin group, Utaha asks him if he is going to continue a doujin group without any demanding passion and objective. Tomoya responds by saying that he doesn't want to put too much pressure on his group members when he barely works compared to Eriri and Utaha but Utaha cuts him off by saying that its his job as the director/producer to be demanding and that's the reason why she agreed to all his demanding requests before the game's official release.

> Utaha also tells Tomoya that she has received multiple job offers from even big companies after she became famous for their VN's scenario writing.

> And since they are in a burger shop, Eriri doesn't hear what Utaha is saying at all (she isn't even sneaking around).

> Iori's [rouge en rouge] group vs Tomoya's [Blessing Software] VN sales competition ends in a 3000 :100 sales ratio lead for [rouge en rouge] aka the competition wasn't even close to a tie or gave Iori's group a real run for the money in terms of sales... However Iori does mention that the reviews for Tomoya's new VN is much better and due to Tomoya's group running out of stock, some people ended up buying Iori's VN instead during Comiket.

> Iori also warns Tomoya to be careful/wary of Akane. Iori tells Tomoya that Akane is the original founder of rouge en rouge and after making it into a successful doujin group, moved onto working on much bigger things and such (VERY IMPORTANT PART DITCHED BY THE ADAPTATION).

> The final scene with Tomoya writing up the rough draft for the "Saekano" VN project doesn't come until only after a brief but VERY important school day scene with Eriri where Eriri asks Tomoya for help in regards to what she should do about her slump. She feels like she can't get out of it by herself and just feels overall down, even saying "do you think I need to keep being a creator?" Tomoya tells her that he can't pressure her anymore and he will respect any path that Eriri takes in terms of illustrations (essentially Tomoya putting the problem away).

> Tomoya during this small conversation with Eriri tells himself that in the past all he thought of Eriri's works were that they were just "great" but not "outstanding". However, after the events of volume 6 and seeing her illustrations after her getting sick and refueling her passion for drawing, he realized that she had drew her best illustrations yet, that far surpassed what he had ever seen before. Despite knowing that him putting pressure on Eriri will push her to becoming an even better illustrator and help her get out of her slump, he feels guilty in the fact that she fell sick during the arc of Volume 6 and is afraid to pressure her on.


Overall, this part of the LN is supposed to focus HEAVILY on Eriri's slump as a creator and foreshadowing for certain characters and what may come to be. The adaptation seemed to turn the focus on Kato and Tomoya making up instead which makes honestly no sense at all... They also got rid of a ton of character interaction moments with Tomoya, Eriri and Utaha that further develops and shows just how close these three are and what they really think of each other. This is important for a series like Saekano where it's not the story that carries the series, but the characters and their relationships (which is also the main focus of the series itself).

Very disappointing...

Mich666 said:
But of course it had to end this way, it was kinda expectable the theme of their next game would be this. With the title and all, it came nicely full circle. I really liked this episode in terms of emotions and scenes with Utako and Eriri.

Have to say I still hate how oblivious MC acts towards the girls and their love attempts. And I don't really like that Kato still has titanium-hard plot armor even when it was her who took an offence and stopped talking with protagonist. Well, we can certainly say she made him realize his feelings by this act (well, kinda) but gluing together relationship that was forcibly broken in such way is very hard after such time, and it takes lot of effort to make things as before, if that's even possible (and here I'm talking out of my own experience).

Uine said:
that was a really good episode. hes finally realizing how important kato was. that title drop though. i feel like this will change the direction of the story. from kato to be the ultimate heroine >>>>> to >>>>>> the ultimate heroine to be kato