Magical Girl Raising Project (light novel)
| 1) is no, as it was pointed out above. 2) affected heavily her behaviour and decision, yes, but that make her behaviour LOGICAL as it explains why she's doing this, not making it "justifiable". |
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| Personally I don't think there is anything that could 'justify' Swim Swim's actions. Though, I do have to ask, does anyone think that Swim Swim is the abused daughter of Calamity Mary? That would make so much sense. We know that Calamity Mary had her daughter taken away from her and from what I remember they looked kind of similar. Though I am unsure about the timeline, so maybe it's just a coincidence. |
Is Swim Swim's Actions Justifiable? a devil whispered to a young loli that she can be whatever she wanted. a devil whispered to a young loli that the only the strong can survive against the weak. a devil whispered to a young loli that she has to play unfair and dirty. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
JewellTH said: No way in hell. Nemu and Ruler didn't say "Kill three people for no reason, one of them being pregnant" and then have her fanbase actually try to make her a good person unironically(Seriously, what the hell? Not even 4chan stoops to that level) You can't deny she looks fab. Well I came to hate her guts though after she killed topspeed best grill. I'm waiting for ripple to mess her up real bad. |
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| No. Next question. |
| Yes. It's kill or be killed after all |
| She has no moral compass since she is very likely the youngest in the bunch. She learned from a person that is dirty and scheming. Fav is reducing the number of magical girls, Swim Swim is the only one (Ruler taught her, Calamity Mary is just a psycho shit who doesn't care about dying) actually taking action and fighting to stay alive by killing. No matter how you see it, combining these aspects, her actions are completely justifiable. 100 % yes is the answer. That any reason for you to not hate her? No, absolutely not. |
SmudyDec 4, 2016 10:25 AM
Zetsubo667 said: abechau1 said: 1) Lets recall back before Ruler died. Ruler has an ability where she can force anyone to listen to her commands. Could this affect Swim Swim's behaviour since Ruler used her magic on Swim Swim? In response to this question. Ruler's magic only works when she's holding a pose and is within 5 metres of the target. So Ruler's ability has nothing to do with Swim Swim's current actions. EDIT: I wrote waaaaaay more than intended!! >_< Actually, I'm going to argue against this point just for the sake of it. We should look at how ruler treated her "subjects". To her, they were mere pawns she could use for her will. At the start it was to collect mere candy, but then it evolved into surviving. We could go as far as saying they were her hostages. With that you could say Swim Swim had Stockholm syndrome. If we take into consideration that Swim Swim (and the other girls) are really the victims of Ruler. Ruler got into their heads that she was the best and used her ability on them to enforce this idea. For Swim Swim, this made her look up to Ruler. We know this from the dream episode. Where Swim Swim was looking out towards Ruler being treated as a queen. From that, out of her five subjects, Swim Swim became her most loyal AND loved "subject". We know this from how Ruler would talk to and treat Swim Swim. Like allowing her to sit by her side. In a hostage situation, this can be a "mind control" tactic. I know this wasn't really Rulers intention but just go with me on this. When a hostage shows a bit of kindness to a victim it gets into the victims head that "hey, maybe this person isn't so bad? I mean he lets me sit up here?" but with Swim Swim not only is she treated nicely, but she is also treated nicer than the others. She is shown favouritism so this just will reinforce the idea that Ruler is this good person. Swim Swim admires her and wants to be like her. Ruler "loves" Swim Swim because of how Loyal she is and because she really has the best power and is really the most useful out of the five. Another thing we know about Swim Swim is her age. With her being so young her moral compass is still being formed. And with a role model like Ruler, it's slowly being twisted. We know this because Swim Swim is always questioning "what would Ruler do?" Their relationship really comes hand in hand. the more Ruler loved and treated Swim Swim nicely, the more effort Swim Swim would put in and the more she would look up to Ruler and thus Ruler would admire her even more than the girls. A never ending cycle really. Now, when the magical girl candy game slowly turns to being about survival of the fittest what would you do? whatever it needed to survive. Which is what Swim Swim is doing. The way she is going about are all ways Ruler would have done, but better. She has taken what she has been taught and used it to get so far. But another thing we need to take note of are the other members of this small team. With the way Ruler treated her compared to them, there must have been a point she noticed that Ruler wasn't all that good. Hence why she went out of her way to kill her and take her place. With Ruler gone the other girls saw Swim Swim as a kind of saviour, so as you can see, they all pretty much worked harder for her than they did for Ruler. And now the victim has become the hostage taker. And the idea of Stockholm Syndrom is now reflected on the girls that follow Swim Swim. Now, is Swim Swim's actions justified? Yes, I think so. If anything, she is a victim of these games, just like the other girls. And is doing what she is needed to do to survive. But she is also a victim of Ruler and her teachings. And has Rulers power to a part to play in this? Yeah definitely. Especially considering the girls didn't know it wasn't that good of a power. They would have assumed she can use her power whenever and wherever, hence why Swim Swim went the long way of making her lose. Also, it would have reinforced the idea that Ruler is this "godly" women hence why Swim Swim looked up to her so much. Becuase she had so much command and control. She was queen and was a ruler, and Swim Swim admired her because of this. |
| Nemurin did give her encouragement, but she said that anyone can be a princess. Tons of people say this to kids all the time, but due to Ruler's horrible rules she became corrupted. I do think something in her regular life also contributed to this as well, because she's way too cold. That's not normal. Swim Swim was okay at first, when it came to the candies stealing. But as the game went on, it was clear that the girls were encouraged to kill each other. So I can't fault her for trying to stay alive and keep her friends alive as well. It's horrible, because my favs are dying, but it's justified considering the situation that they're in. Swim Swim is the only one who is trying to come out on top. Tama and the twins didn't have enough candies to keep them alive, which is why Ruler suggested stealing. Even if they went about it in the right way, they'd still be at the bottom and would need to steal more candies. GreenTea13 said: Though, I do have to ask, does anyone think that Swim Swim is the abused daughter of Calamity Mary? That would make so much sense. We know that Calamity Mary had her daughter taken away from her and from what I remember they looked kind of similar. Though I am unsure about the timeline, so maybe it's just a coincidence. That would be a fun coincidence, but Swim Swim did nothing when she saw Calamity Mary's dead body, so I don't think she's the daughter. |
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| Honestly, I lost all the respect I had for her when she played unfairly by stabbing Alice in the back when she was in school. Justifiable or not, it's quite ludicrous. Have people forgotten that you can win by collecting candies? |
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| Nope. Once upon a time I used to like her, but not anymore. She kills off all our favorite magical girls. |
Rojo said: -snip- victim complex much? the devil whispered to her, and she gave in. that's all there is to it. switch her with Snow and she'll say no to Ruler in the face no time flat. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
abechau1 said: kidlat020 said: victim complex much? the devil whispered to her, and she gave in. that's all there is to it. switch her with Snow and she'll say no to Ruler in the face no time flat. Don't forget about Ruler's ability! This is actually a good argument against Ruler's ability have much affect on Swim Swim's overall actions. In the scenes where we see Snow White and Swim Swim being affected by Ruler, Snow White actually seemed to be perturbed, and, if her falling to the ground after is any indication, fighting against Ruler's ability while it was active. It also didn't affect Snow White's thoughts in any way. Meanwhile, Swim Swim sat there calmly, and let Ruler use her ability on her without putting up any sort of fight. My guess is that Ruler's ability only affects physical actions. Not mental ones, since she has to be pointing her stick at you for it to work, and since Snow White could still freely think while it was happening. |
| Yeah, stabbing a pregnant woman and a little girl in the back is totally justifiable... are we seriously discussing this? -_- Swim Swim is corrupted, I kinda liked her in the beginning but to be honest I don't understand why she's being so evil now, and I don't see any fate fitting her other than dying horribly. |
| to everyone who says this is a death game thus Swim's actions are justified, wait till the last episode is finished and come back here. there's a huge, HUGE detail that I can't spoil yet and will make everyone hate Swim with a passion. it will make you realize once again that the saying "the means does NOT justify the end" is true. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| NO. I HOPE THIS STUPID MONOTONE BITCH DIES A SLOW, PAINFUL DEATH, RELIVING HER WORST MEMORIES. |
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Chiibi said: NO. I HOPE THIS STUPID MONOTONE BITCH DIES A SLOW, PAINFUL DEATH, RELIVING HER WORST MEMORIES. YES. YES. AND YES. Her actions are NOT justifiable. I can't believe that there are people who like her actually and blame Nemurin for murders. Nemurin told her that every girl is a princess. No 'hey, go kill everyone for the heck of it' I hate her so much that if there was club 'Fuck Swim Swim', I would join it. |
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| She didnt know Top Speed was pregnant, but still, she is cold blooded murderer, Fav knew who to choose, alcoholic sadist, manic little girl...i hope by the end of it, survivor will kick Fav ass. |
| People still think Ruler is just an abusive figure it seems. Too bad we don't get the sidestory about how caring Ruler is to her subjects (after verbal abuse, of course) She is a tsundere and extremely strict. She is even strict to herself.  |
fateoffateDec 7, 2016 3:03 AM
| Swim Swim. She is really interesting case in MahoIku world. Small child that loves princess, but has a terrible role model (Ruler). Conviced by Nemurin to become her own princess. Put in such situation thanks to Clanberry. So, is Swim Swim's Actions Justifiable? Morally no. In any other case yes. Swim Swim is a child that strictly follows rules taught by Ruler. Not parents, not teachers, but Ruler. Ruler didn't know that she teaches a 7 year old kid, so she taught Swim Swim rules, that even her wouldn't so strictly follow. Also Ruler rules naver had restiction like "don't kill". So thanks to that Swim Swim moral compass is really broken. |
not even close. I won't spoil any further. people are already hating her at this point. next episode you'll want to punch your screen when she appears. you should also get to see how powerful really is. |
kidlat020Dec 7, 2016 3:37 AM
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Koyuki was a mid schooler too. and dont forget Alice. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Tmr's episode is goin' to be fun with this thread :v: Madoka_mi said: Oh god, she can be hated further? Short spoilerfree answer: Very most likely. |
Zetsubo667 said: It really makes me wonder how people here would react to characters from future arcs, if there ever was a second season because, some of them are far worse than Swim Swim. There is nothing worse you can do after killing Alice. That's it. That's the maximum amount of Evil possible. |
rikuhod said: Karmafan56 said: I'm with you. She is only a little kid influinced by a bad person and now trying to survive as best she can. She also spent many years of her life to buy a invisibility cloak for the weakest of their team. those who judge Swim Swim should watch series like Btooom, or Requiem for Phantom. How easily the most moral person can lose to instincts when afraid, terrified and can change beyond recognition. People are not able to fully control themselves. She is just terrified little girl, that went into situation she does not fully understand. The idea of becoming princess must be the only mental stability that is left inside of her, this is why she tries to stick to it, to preserve her own sanity. People stick to evil, if somebody won't help them. If people reject them, they would not be able to change. I don't know about Cranberry she probably is also a mind broken person that simply needs help. The only person in series that is not justified is Calamity Mary, because she had people that cared about her and tried to help her , but she simply threw her frustration on them. Just because you are placed in a difficult situation doesn't mean you can start a killing spree. it is YOU who placed yourself in a difficult situation. blaming others won't do you any good. the devil whispered to her, and she gave in. that's all there is to it. meanwhile you have Snow who resisted the devil's sweet talk. swap swim with snow and she wouldn't make the same things swim did. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Wow, Swim Swim's fans are making her look like innocent cinnamon roll. I don't remember Ruler or Nemurin killing someone in front of Swim Swim and telling her that's the way she can survive. Even if this is a death game 'kill or be killed' she is way too cold, so I refuse to accept her as a innocent, terrified little girl. She looked at Alice's corpse as if it was nothing. |
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abechau1 said: Victorian-Doll said: Wow, Swim Swim's fans are making her look like innocent cinnamon roll. I don't remember Ruler or Nemurin killing someone in front of Swim Swim and telling her that's the way she can survive. Even if this is a death game 'kill or be killed' she is way too cold, so I refuse to accept her as a innocent, terrified little girl. She looked at Alice's corpse as if it was nothing. Swim Swim is a definition of a kuudere. She has literally no emotions. Damn, do I hate those anime stereotypes or whatever they are called. Kills with no emotions - sociopath. |
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