Goblin Slayer Chapter 1 Discussion

Pyromanical said:
Has it been translated yet? I can only find the raw manga, and I can't read moon runes.

Atmo said:
Sad that NO ONE noticed the D&D 5e character sheet the priest was handed.

ichii_1 said:
"goblins are like children" > how many 5th graders can you fight?

Retarded party, too hungry for fame and achievements so they got raped and turned into meatballs.
Goblins win through sheer numbers, but now the goblin slayer is here to save the cute priest :'(

Aidamis said:
Why the hell would anyone copy Akame ga Kill in the "let's introduce a bunch of characters and then quickly kill them for shock factor and melodrama?". Cause it sells?
That's cheap and amateurish and unfit of effective writing which is about less rather than more, as pointed out in "Hooked" by Les Edgerton and many literary critics.

Domusify said:


You've got the wrong trope. Here it's the one where the opponents' strength is demonstrated, so as to establish the protagonist as competent. Another point is to deconstruct the weak goblins cliche. Frankly, it gets bland later on, since the threat of goblins is inconsistent with the beginning of the story if you want something objectively bad about the writing, and not something reliant on personal taste.

Domusify said:

I have no idea why you want to enforce an intellectual paradigm of what effective writing should be on a standard dark fantasy manga. Both the medium and the genre are less suited for it than the books and films, which your chosen literature probably assumes as its topic.

Aidamis said:
Fair point, I have no issues with the "demonstration of the opponents' strength". Regarding the writing as a whole it's less "bad" per se than it is clumsy, there are better ways of presenting a episodic characters party falling victim to the monsters than giving everyone a backstory, though if it was the author's deliberate intent, then yes I disliked it subjectively.

Aidamis said:
Thanks for pointing that out, just happens to be the root of my ambivalent relationship to manga. On one hand they can treat themes I personally like in a manner few other media can, on the other hand the stuff that good writing can do can never be fully substituted much less replicated with visuals and (often) less story volume. I'm usually okay with it unless the creation is staggeringly worse (in my honest opinion) than even the average that the medium can do.
Guess I should stop expecting Berserk or Claymore from every dark fantasy manga I set my eyes on :)

ps: fellow Ghost in the Shell Fan here, the show rocks

Domusify said:
the threat of goblins is inconsistent with the beginning of the story.

ichii_1 said:


How? goblins are underestimated because everyone only thinks of them as low tier monsters.

Domusify said:


This is based on currently available translations, of course. Since you know spoilers from the novel, feel free to get my hopes up. :D

ichii_1 said:

GS isn't super powerful, he's just super prepared which is the point of this chapter, the noob party was overconfident and not prepared so they got destroyed.
The goblins will stay the overall threat but of course there are some other monsters now and then.

Domusify said:

I'll agree that it's clumsy, though it is indeed a stylistic choice. One which further is common in light novels, like the one this manga is adapted from. As for the use in Goblin Slayer particularly, it's a copy of yet another deconstructive attempt, made earlier in the genre's history, so at this point the story kinda requires it to appeal to the Japanese consumer, as genre standard.

You can take notice of this kind of psychology in a large majority of isekai themed asian novels, manga and etc., particularly Japanese ones. There is a preference for what is common and familiar, and even the protagonists win over other characters, populations and even antagonists, thanks to their common modern culture (particularly cuisine).



Manga is going through one of those thesis-antithesis-synthesis processes, where over time it goes a full cycle and produces things that make best of its potential as medium. I'd put the last such period as the 90's till the early 00's, especially where scene composition and original ideas are concerned. In this current period and the dark fantasy genre you can get at most Ubel Blatt or such, and even that started mid 00's, so it has some of the previous generation style. I'd rather be optimistic, and consider Goblin Slayer to hold some potential as a small step toward the next synthetic generation, rather than compare it closely to older manga. :D

GitS is indeed awesome, want a friendship request? :D

Jazzyforcefield said:
I could not stand the sight of seeing them literally getting raped by goblins. I think it's a good concept and all, but it's not for me.

AnotherGuy said:

Yeah, the first chapter is really off putting (I personally just skimmed it), but the author tones it down a lot after that. By chapter 10 or so there's virtually none of that. Maybe give it a few chapters and then decide.

random00 said:
I've seen some fucked up shit, but what happened to the Monk made me feel worse than seeing NTR, Kuroinu, Berserk, etc even though worse shit has happened in those series. Never knew I would be feeling sentimental in some edgy Grimgar series...