lord23 said: But I'm not sure How I feel about the Teen angst and emo atmosphere that some of the characters are showing ( I know the movies are not done and all ) But I hope this unnecessary angst will go away by the 3rd or 4th movie sets I want to love these movies so much But its really hard when the characters are Acting like this >_< Agreed, the series as is has been an awful disappointment and just awful in general. |
| Isn't that kind of atmosphere normal for teenagers though? |
| For one thing, Jou's issue was something they had to already go through as 01 kids, about Digimon dying yet they all still had to fight. Then theres the issue that his approach solves nothing by doing nothing yet hes almost an adult. Mimi is egocentric and told so, then does more egocentric things. She doesnt thank Sora or Mei for their efforts in the cafe, then later forces Mei to dance and such unnecessarily when she doesnt want to. Then Koushiro coming to the cafe as if he didnt just tell Mimi off yesterday for being selfish. The rain scene was okay, but Jou's tears at the ramen scene were very sudden. And their great catharsis in the end was underwhelming and disappointing and cliche "do your best/Im by your side/I believe in you and me", something already fucking done in the original series. Lots of forced angst. Like Taichi and Yamato have had all this time and yet still havent talked once about Omegamon's fusion breaking? Thats kind of fucking important since hes your best fighter and this is a huge life or death war. Way to handwave issues away like that. Fuck this movie series. They shouldve stopped at 01. |
breaker335 said: Dragon said: You sure you're watching Digimon? This has been in every digimon series.And their great catharsis in the end was underwhelming and disappointing and cliche "do your best/Im by your side/I believe in you and me", something already fucking done in the original series. And I never denied that. Your point? |
breaker335 said: Why bring the issue up if you acknowledge it's a running theme in the series? It's like Leomon dying. If someone does a crime everyday, do you start ignoring the crime by the third day and say nothing on days 4, 5 and after? |
| Tamers and Fronteir were better than Adventure anyway. Fight me. |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
| Sounds like someone doesnt understand my analogy. Thats fine, dont worry about it. To the Frontier and Tamers guy, I could definitely see some people liking that more. Tamers has a darker storyline, and Frontier was pretty unique as far as Digimon series goes. Id personally say Xros Wars > 01 > Frontier > rest >> Hunters Through Time for me. To each his own. |
| I dont think I disagree with most of your statements and do agree a lot of the plot was sacked for the sake of this development. I personally dislike this as I value plot above all else,l (and thus despise plotholes very deeply) and I prefer development that feels more natural and not as forced. The message also does come off a bit preachy which Im not crazy for. |
| I understand what you mean. It almost feel like slice of life genre anime rather than the good old Digimon I know. The SoL is still decent though but it's what I expect from Digimon. |
ZapredonMar 11, 2016 10:21 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Wow it's almost as if this is what the series always had or something... These are just a few examples, but there are many more. You're only remembering with rose tinted eyes, there was a hell of a lot more whining then you remember. |
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Jerkhov said: These are just a few examples, but there are many more. You're only remembering with rose tinted eyes, there was a hell of a lot more whining then you remember. The point is, this already happened. Why do they have to do it again in such a generic and predictable way? Is this seriously the best that writers could come up with? Just repeating things that already happened in the original? No. The execution of these movies is painfully mediocre unfortunately. Digimon deserves better. |
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| Onsen and maid café. And evolutions coming out of nowhere just because of fanservice. Adventure tri sucks and is the worst season ever, even worse than Xros Wars [...] Hunters [...] |
| The angst and emotions in the original werent nearly this forced. They were built up more over time and alluded to and not rushed for the sake of fitting them into the movie. Also youre quite rude. Its okay to disagree with an opinion, but insulting someone for their opinion is the truly childish thing to do. |
Dragon said: pretty sure ur letting nostalgia cloud ur judgementThe angst and emotions in the original werent nearly this forced. They were built up more over time and alluded to and not rushed for the sake of fitting them into the movie. Also youre quite rude. Its okay to disagree with an opinion, but insulting someone for their opinion is the truly childish thing to do. |
| As an example of that, Matt's issue that you quote was something suggested in his reataurant episode with Jou and numerous times in scenes with TK and esp his fight with Puppetmon's minion. This tension and internal conflict wasnt concluded for several episodes from Puppetmon's death up til the Piedmon fight. Izzy first mentions his issues with his parents in the beginning few eps saying that hes adopted and this is later shown more in detail at myotismons arc. He also has a touching scene of him saving his parents and other scenes with them. This movie crammed Jou and Mimi's issues (plus others) into four episodes. Of course its not up to snuff. Also if youre gonna respond, respond to all my points and dont ignore any of them. |
Dragon said: As an example of that, Matt's issue that you quote was something suggested in his reataurant episode with Jou and numerous times in scenes with TK and esp his fight with Puppetmon's minion. This tension and internal conflict wasnt concluded for several episodes from Puppetmon's death up til the Piedmon fight. Izzy first mentions his issues with his parents in the beginning few eps saying that hes adopted and this is later shown more in detail at myotismons arc. He also has a touching scene of him saving his parents and other scenes with them. This movie crammed Jou and Mimi's issues (plus others) into four episodes. Of course its not up to snuff. Also if youre gonna respond, respond to all my points and dont ignore any of them. I know, right? I totally agree with you. |
Bioshocked said: I remember the Character development in the original which I liked a lot what I don't Understand why we have to go through it again also Why is these Digimon movies Focusing on politics of all Things ? lord23 said: But I'm not sure How I feel about the Teen angst and emo atmosphere that some of the characters are showing ( I know the movies are not done and all ) But I hope this unnecessary angst will go away by the 3rd or 4th movie sets I want to love these movies so much But its really hard when the characters are Acting like this >_< I guess you guys never actually watched the show and don't know why Digimon was so good in the first place.   ( Tamers was good with out any of that type of crap ) also its pretty stupid calling people stupid for having an opinion I understand your way too hyped at the moment But I had issue I want to express |
TyrelMar 14, 2016 12:45 AM
lord23 said: Bioshocked said: I remember the Character development in the original which I liked a lot what I don't Understand why we have to go through it again also Why is these Digimon movies Focusing on politics of all Things ? I guess you guys never actually watched the show and don't know why Digimon was so good in the first place. ( Tamers was good with out any of that type of crap ) also its pretty stupid calling people stupid for having an opinion I understand your way too hyped at the moment But I had issue I want to express Because people aren't always happy. And they're worrying about different things now. (Tamers was a different kind of struggle) I'm not that "hyped", I just see this hate for Tri because it's not "awesome fights every episode." |
TyrelMar 14, 2016 12:45 AM
Bioshocked said: I just see this hate for Tri because it's not "awesome fights every episode." Literally nobody is disliking tri because of the reason you mentioned... |
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| I'm going to agree with almost everything that Dragon said. I saw the first movie and didn't get it. Not only the art is way worse than the original, the plot doesn't make much of sense. I'm not talking about nostalgia feelings, but why we need to see every struggle that the characters had passed in the first place? Hell, the bloody evolutions isn't a symbol of "I've overcome this personal flaw"? The lack of action isn't a problem, but the plot itself is. PS: Finally I found people that liked Tamers |
BliuBliu said: Bioshocked said: I just see this hate for Tri because it's not "awesome fights every episode." Literally nobody is disliking tri because of the reason you mentioned... Yeah Bioshocked, rather spend time bashing others for their opinions and calling them names, take the time to read carefully each of the complaints and address them, and not in a childish fashion. Not one person has said they want awesome fights every episode in this thread. |
DragonMar 13, 2016 10:56 PM
| As far as the competition was between Adventure series and Tamers, I will be a fan of Tamers here. Sometimes, Adventure (as a whole, including tri for now) forgot something that Tamers achieved in a much better fashion which is, the character development and the worldview of the Digimon as a whole, especially when the Digimon partners and the other Digimon in Tamers are going to compared with the ones in Adventure. Tamers played the term "evolution" and "saving the world" in a much, much different way than Adventure, granted the head writer for Tamers is none other than Chiaki J. Konaka, who is also responsible for Serial Experiments Lain and Texhnolyze. Also, I wanted to like tri's approach of character development. It seemed to be good when the movies are separated but when you take the six movies into one whole series, the character development is pretty problematic since the series wanted to make every single Chosen Child to be developed per movie (in pairs), rather than doing it over time (the movies did it briefly, but it felt like it was done like a checklist). It can't help that fanservice stuff was added here for no real connection to the plot other than talking about the plot stuff with nothing really happening. |
Frankies_MonsterMar 13, 2016 10:51 PM
| Tamers also had something that Adventure lacks and that I was hoping Tri. would fix. First thing are villains whose actions made sense. In Adventure, you had Devimon, Etemon, Vamdemon and Dark Masters who all wanted to rule the world because they are evil. I'm aware Adventure was aimed at young audience so it doesn't really bother me that much, but it's certaintly not a virtue of the series. 02 was a little better in this department though except for the final villain. In Tamers, you had Devas, Zhuqiaomon, Beelzebumon, D-Reaper. Villains who have legit motivations behind their actions and are not black and white. D-Reaper wanted to destroy the world, but it made sense because of the nature of the character. We don't know who are the villains in Tri yet because nothing is happening except for useless chatter that's supposed to be character development, but I don't have my hopes high after the first two movies. Second thing is actual character development for Digimon and partner Digimon. Although I like Digimon partners in Adventure/02 and you can notice that each one has a slightly different personality, they still just feel like tools or pets for the children on many occasions for me. They aren't treated equally to the children, not even in Tri where they are just doing cute things for the sake of being cute. Tamers also had more focus on children, but Digimon weren't left out in the dust. We got a sufficient look into their problems, their desires and their change over the course of the season. And imo, even the children in Tamers are better developed than in Adventure. It's superior in every way IMO. |
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| Still no digimon ADVENTURE. Still everyone acting as if they did not grow up at all during the first season already. What's up with Digimon Kaiser? I hope 02 kids development didn't get undone like the Adventure kids did. I think Tamers is dreadfully dull, but it did this commentary stuff better. Nothing new here. A deconstruction where everything entertaining was made boring. Not the only anime that thinks it's being smart by doing it. |
| Don't expect little kids to completely reach maturity. As they grow older, they're bound to encounter problems and personal issues whether they've dealt with it in the past. And that's exactly what's happening in Digimon Tri. The conflicts that they experience among themselves and their contradicting behaviors all relate to their respective crests which is the reason why I like the drama in this series so much. They build up good drama while at the same time slowly developing the plot. I like how the writers are taking their time with the movies. Nothing feels rushed. |
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| Their current drama are associated with growing up. They sorted those problems out before as children, but now that they have grown, they are having some of those problems back and struggling to find the reasonable way considering digimons, real world, governments, studying and future. I find this series quite good till now. Digidestined are acting wisely considering the circumstances. |
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