| Her brother, Ralph Werec, had been sent to the frontline 130 light-years away to accomplish a special mission when she was 11 years old, a distance that requires 400 years of objective time to traverse by even the fastest Union spacecraft. However, in accordance with the theory of relativity, this corresponds to only two subjective years (time as experienced by those within the spacecraft). Read more at http://myanimelist.net/anime/1602/Soukou_no_Strain#OcX8l1W9I8iDPZTu.99 bro, do u even science? |
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| Time goes slower the further you away you are from a gravity source, like the middle of the earth. Also, time goes slower the faster you go. If you want more info on this topic you can read this: http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/time-travel.html This kind of corresponds with what the link to the show says, only here they talk about 99.5% of the speed of light, so if you go, this is theoretical btw, faster than the speed of light, it is possible to do what you just said. |
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| well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down, but very little? like this guy compressed 400 years into 2 years. The kawaii gods of anime have favored him so his sister could reunite and have incestual relationship |
| dude.. anime has no limits but... 'physics' all over again.. don't be silly XD |
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AnimeHonor said: its time relativity iirc, i rly hate physicswell i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down, but very little? like this guy compressed 400 years into 2 years. The kawaii gods of anime have favored him so his sister could reunite and have incestual relationship |
Okashi_sama said: He got help from the kawaii gods of anime. I wonder who would those gods be.... |
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AnimeHonor said: Well this is from the article itself: Say you were 15 years old when you left Earth in a spacecraft traveling at about 99.5% of the speed of light (which is much faster than we can achieve now), and celebrated only five birthdays during your space voyage. When you get home at the age of 20, you would find that all your classmates were 65 years old, retired, and enjoying their grandchildren! Because time passed more slowly for you, you will have experienced only five years of life, while your classmates will have experienced a full 50 years. This means that if you go faster than light (Which is impossible in the einstein relativity theory, it would be theoretically possible, but I don't see it happening, and seriously, it is anime, everything is possible.well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down, but very little? like this guy compressed 400 years into 2 years. The kawaii gods of anime have favored him so his sister could reunite and have incestual relationship |
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AnimeHonor said: well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down, but very little? like this guy compressed 400 years into 2 years. The kawaii gods of anime have favored him so his sister could reunite and have incestual relationship >well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down > faster than light time does slow down That's not how FTL works. FTL refers to traveling the distance of (e.g) one light-year in less then 1 year. You can not "go" faster than light, because you can not convey energy or information faster than light. What you studied in school was really high speed travel, affected by electromagnetic forces (or not) that causes a phenom into time measuring: ship's internal clock counts (e.g) 1 hour, earth clock counts 10 days. This is due to, between other things, space bending at higher speeds. |
AnimeHonor said: well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down I'm a bit worried that people on mal don't realize you cant go faster than light. |
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TheConquerer said: That is only stated by einstein's relativity theory, which isn't comfirmed to be true in every single way.AnimeHonor said: well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down I'm a bit worried that people on mal don't realize you cant go faster than light. |
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TheConquerer said: AnimeHonor said: well i studied in school if you go faster than light time does slow down I'm a bit worried that people on mal don't realize you cant go faster than light. Actually, scientists are speculating that there might be some particles that can travel faster than light. But that seems implausible since that would mean they actually travel through time which violates the principle of causality. OT: Most anime have characters travelling much much faster than light. Goku being a prime example. Anime and physics don't go well together. It's funny that I've just started watching Steins; Gate and I fall on this thread. Gotta be an interesting ride. |
Milk_is_Special said: TheConquerer said: That is only stated by einstein's relativity theory, which isn't comfirmed to be true in every single way.I'm a bit worried that people on mal don't realize you cant go faster than light. Are you seriously gonna argue about this? Its a universally recognized fact that one cannot surpass the speed of light, and approaching the speed of light causes time to distort and slow down, this was actually proven back ago when they put atomic clocks on a plane and flew them around at supersonic speeds. After landing they found that the clocks were no longer in sync proving Einstein was right. Here's an article to help you out http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/12/einstein-theory-of-relativity-speed-of-light |
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Agafin said: TheConquerer said: I'm a bit worried that people on mal don't realize you cant go faster than light. Actually, scientists are speculating that there might be some particles that can travel faster than light. if you're referring to neutrinos its cause they're already faster than light, stuff like humans cant do that. |
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TheConquerer said: if you're referring to neutrinos its cause they're already faster than light, stuff like humans cant do that. What if a human is made up of neutrinos? :O |
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TheConquerer said: Agafin said: Actually, scientists are speculating that there might be some particles that can travel faster than light. if you're referring to neutrinos its cause they're already faster than light, stuff like humans cant do that. Humans can't travel at 99.5% of the speed of light either. Their body would desintegrate. So, I thought we were talking about particles only. |
TheConquerer said: But it is also proven that light doesn't have a steady movement speed, it is very variable. Here: http://blogs.voanews.com/science-world/2013/03/26/speed-of-light-may-not-be-constant/Milk_is_Special said: That is only stated by einstein's relativity theory, which isn't comfirmed to be true in every single way. Are you seriously gonna argue about this? Its a universally recognized fact that one cannot surpass the speed of light, and approaching the speed of light causes time to distort and slow down, this was actually proven back ago when they put atomic clocks on a plane and flew them around at supersonic speeds. After landing they found that the clocks were no longer in sync proving Einstein was right. Here's an article to help you out http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/12/einstein-theory-of-relativity-speed-of-light |
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Agafin said: Humans can't travel at 99.5% of the speed of light either. Their body would desintegrate. So, I thought we were talking about particles only. Well particles which do go faster than light have to remain constantly faster than light, we don't know anything that can go from zero to lightspeed |
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Agafin said: Actually, scientists are speculating that there might be some particles that can travel faster than light. But that seems implausible since that would mean they actually travel through time which violates the principle of causality. That only implies light is not a universal constant. Particles traveling thru time is considered on the M and brane theories and, of course, it defies general relativity but not because of time. Causality =/= Special Relativity |
Milk_is_Special said: But it is also proven that light doesn't have a steady movement speed, it is very variable. Here: http://blogs.voanews.com/science-world/2013/03/26/speed-of-light-may-not-be-constant/ You realize that when I refer to speed of light I refer to its speed in a vacuum which means zero resistance. That is the speed that cannot be broken. For instance the speed of light underwater is actually slower than some particles so radiation is caused, this speed however is not the one used in special relativity, |
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| neutrinos are not faster than light. It was thought that they were faster than light because of an error in the fiber optics and in the atomic clock in the CREN apparatus. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jun/08/neutrino-researchers-einstein-right As of now the belief is nothing can travel faster because as an object approaches the speed of light its mass keeps increasing. (although there are a few theories in some recent papers stating they may be faster. These theories can only be tested by the end of next year by examining the mass of the particles. So for now they are not faster than light) When it comes to travelling faster than light there are a few theories that obey the rules of relativity there was something called the alcubierre drive that allows the fabric of space to contract and expand based on the position of the spaceship enabling it to travel faster there was another theory of bending space and travelling between the ends. |
| For everyone arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed there is this: Still it isn't a particle that moves, but it still moves faster then the light. |
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ichii_1 said: Humans can't break the limit of cells because the cells themselves would die within a fraction of a second.sullynathan said: Toriko is retarded. Humans can't control each of they're individual cells to withstand 100g gravity It's warding off energy actually. And if humans break the limit of the cells, it is possible. Toriko - 1 You - 0 |
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TheConquerer said: This is from that same article: [i]Physicists have long found that the concept of the vacuum is one of the most fascinating issues in their field of science. A vacuum, when viewed at the quantum level – at the smallest and most basic level – is not empty, but instead filled with particle pairs such as electron-positron or quark-antiquark pairs that are constantly appearing and disappearing. While these particle pairs are real particles, their lifetimes are extremely short.[i]Milk_is_Special said: But it is also proven that light doesn't have a steady movement speed, it is very variable. Here: http://blogs.voanews.com/science-world/2013/03/26/speed-of-light-may-not-be-constant/ You realize that when I refer to speed of light I refer to its speed in a vacuum which means zero resistance. That is the speed that cannot be broken. For instance the speed of light underwater is actually slower than some particles so radiation is caused, this speed however is not the one used in special relativity, This means that the speed of light in a vacuum can vary due to the amount of particles in the vacuum itself. |
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Milk_is_Special said: For everyone arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed there is this: Still it isn't a particle that moves, but it still moves faster then the light. You realize that all a shadow does is block out light? Its not 'moving' its just allowing light to project itself on a surface. This doesnt prove anything at all. |
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Milk_is_Special said: This is from that same article: [i]Physicists have long found that the concept of the vacuum is one of the most fascinating issues in their field of science. A vacuum, when viewed at the quantum level – at the smallest and most basic level – is not empty, but instead filled with particle pairs such as electron-positron or quark-antiquark pairs that are constantly appearing and disappearing. While these particle pairs are real particles, their lifetimes are extremely short. This means that the speed of light in a vacuum can vary due to the amount of particles in the vacuum itself. [/i] It doesn't matter if the speed of light is variable or not. Photons travel at the speeds that they do because they are considered to be weightless. If any other particle is accelerated to such great speeds their mass keeps increasing until infinity hence particles cannot really travel faster than light. |
Milk_is_Special said: This is from that same article: [i]Physicists have long found that the concept of the vacuum is one of the most fascinating issues in their field of science. A vacuum, when viewed at the quantum level – at the smallest and most basic level – is not empty, but instead filled with particle pairs such as electron-positron or quark-antiquark pairs that are constantly appearing and disappearing. While these particle pairs are real particles, their lifetimes are extremely short.[i] This means that the speed of light in a vacuum can vary due to the amount of particles in the vacuum itself. Do you know what a vacuum even is? A vacuum means NOTHING is in it. So space is not a perfect vacuum. Also its well known that lights speed changes depending on what medium it passes through (water, air) but it its fundamental speed (c) remains unbreakable. |
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Milk_is_Special said: ichii_1 said: Humans can't break the limit of cells because the cells themselves would die within a fraction of a second.It's warding off energy actually. And if humans break the limit of the cells, it is possible. Toriko - 1 You - 0 Why would they die? every cell in the current human body has a limit for efficiency, that doesn't mean they can't go further. I'm including every cell, you can keep working out and and your muscles don't hit a dead end, your heart also grows in proportion along with the rest of your body keeping up with the expansion. You can become a giant and maybe develop superpowers. |
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Milk_is_Special said: For everyone arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed there is this: [video] Still it isn't a particle that moves, but it still moves faster then the light. Now Youtube is a valid science article? Notice that we aren't "arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed", we are simply over-and-over again saying that light, as wave and particle, is the constant for every inertial reference and that it's been proven empirically. According to new unifying theories there CAN BE stuff that moves faster than light, BUT, none of these you mentioned and quoted and none of the reasons you gave here are in the list. The "stuff" your video analyzes is simply absence of light, and such thing isn't force, nor particle, therefore, it doesn't "move faster" than anything. If anything, you could bring up dark matter, but even this one is expanding at a constant speed. In the current status, once again, nothing tops the speed of light. |
ichii_1 said: The cells would die because the cells, at that level of development, have a limit that isn't breakable, because otherwise they would die. (You can train this, but it an't happen in an instant.Milk_is_Special said: Humans can't break the limit of cells because the cells themselves would die within a fraction of a second. Why would they die? every cell in the current human body has a limit for efficiency, that doesn't mean they can't go further. I'm including every cell, you can keep working out and and your muscles don't hit a dead end, your heart also grows in proportion along with the rest of your body keeping up with the expansion. You can become a giant and maybe develop superpowers. There is another limit of your cells that WILL break when your cells are influenced by adrenaline, but that wasn't the limit I was talking about. |
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xbobx said: No but a shadow is something that moves faster, I'm not saying that it is a thing, but it does move faster as light.Milk_is_Special said: For everyone arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed there is this: [video] Still it isn't a particle that moves, but it still moves faster then the light. Now Youtube is a valid science article? Notice that we aren't "arguing that the speed of light is the fastest speed", we are simply over-and-over again saying that light, as wave and particle, is the constant for every inertial reference and that it's been proven empirically. According to new unifying theories there CAN BE stuff that moves faster than light, BUT, none of these you mentioned and quoted and none of the reasons you gave here are in the list. The "stuff" your video analyzes is simply absence of light, and such thing isn't force, nor particle, therefore, it doesn't "move faster" than anything. If anything, you could bring up dark matter, but even this one is expanding at a constant speed. In the current status, once again, nothing tops the speed of light. |
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Milk_is_Special said: TheConquerer said: You do know that light can be influenced by gravity, and this way it can vary.Do you know what a vacuum even is? A vacuum means NOTHING is in it. So space is not a perfect vacuum. Also its well known that lights speed changes depending on what medium it passes through (water, air) but it its fundamental speed (c) remains unbreakable. That has absolutely nothing to do with its speed. Also you saying a shadow is something that moves faster than light is like saying dreams are bigger than earth. They're both intangible objects and should never be used in scientific discussion. |
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TheConquerer said: You say that a shadow isn't real right now because it doesn't exist out of particles, <-- Also means that in your words fire doesn't exist, because fire doesn't exist out of particles either.Milk_is_Special said: You do know that light can be influenced by gravity, and this way it can vary. That has absolutely nothing to do with its speed. Also you saying a shadow is something that moves faster than light is like saying dreams are bigger than earth. They're both intangible objects and should never be used in scientific discussion. Also read this: http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm It is already discovered that gravity can change the speed of light. |
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Milk_is_Special said: You say that a shadow isn't real right now because it doesn't exist out of particles, <-- Also means that in your words fire doesn't exist, because fire doesn't exist out of particles either. Flames are gaseous or plasmatic, under the right conditions. So they do consist of particles. Milk_is_Special said: Also read this: http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm It is already discovered that gravity can change the speed of light. Nobody is saying that the speed of light is invariant; otherwise, refraction wouldn't be a thing. The point is, c, the speed of light in a vacuum, which you may well consider the MAXIMUM speed of light, is an invariant universal constant. And, thus far, there is no evidence that this is incorrect. There was that one experiment a while ago when they claimed to have surpassed it, but as nobody has been able to duplicate the results, it appears to have been experimental error. |
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Milk_is_Special said: TheConquerer said: You say that a shadow isn't real right now because it doesn't exist out of particles, <-- Also means that in your words fire doesn't exist, because fire doesn't exist out of particles either.[/spoiler] That has absolutely nothing to do with its speed. Also you saying a shadow is something that moves faster than light is like saying dreams are bigger than earth. They're both intangible objects and should never be used in scientific discussion. Also read this: http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm It is already discovered that gravity can change the speed of light. Look this is becoming ridiculous, its like you're a 12 year old kid using terms you dont even understand. You said fire doesnt exist out of particles while it is clearly made of something that burns and a fuel as well as a source of heat. Also I've been telling you AGAIN AND AGAIN that light might slow down but it will never surpass its constant aka c aka the speed of light in a vacuum. |
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AnimeHonor said: I do not, science is confusing. Thanks for the education though, I almost learned something.Bro, do youu even science? |
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TheConquerer said: Misread the thing about fire, sorry. But still, what you're saying doesn't make any sense since there is no constant vacuum! That is what I already said 4 posts ago.Milk_is_Special said: You say that a shadow isn't real right now because it doesn't exist out of particles, <-- Also means that in your words fire doesn't exist, because fire doesn't exist out of particles either. Also read this: http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm It is already discovered that gravity can change the speed of light. Look this is becoming ridiculous, its like you're a 12 year old kid using terms you dont even understand. You said fire doesnt exist out of particles while it is clearly made of something that burns and a fuel as well as a source of heat. Also I've been telling you AGAIN AND AGAIN that light might slow down but it will never surpass its constant aka c aka the speed of light in a vacuum. |
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| Think of it this way. If light was a car and the vacuum was a road it travels down. If the road is empty then the car can go through at full speed right? But if theres mud on the road (particles) then it slows down the car aka light. Even though space is not a perfect vacuum although its like 99.999% vacuum the calculations that einstein used were purely mathematical so he could just remove all those factors and deal with the speed of light in a pure vacuum. So the speed of light when NOTHING slows it down is unbreakable. Thats the one used in all the equations cause its the max speed possible (theoretically) Do you get it? |
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black1blade said: Makes sense.I base all my scientific knowledge upon eva. TheConquerer said: Ok man, makes somewhat sense.Think of it this way. If light was a car and the vacuum was a road it travels down. If the road is empty then the car can go through at full speed right? But if theres mud on the road (particles) then it slows down the car aka light. Even though space is not a perfect vacuum although its like 99.999% vacuum the calculations that einstein used were purely mathematical so he could just remove all those factors and deal with the speed of light in a pure vacuum. So the speed of light when NOTHING slows it down is unbreakable. Thats the one used in all the equations cause its the max speed possible (theoretically) Do you get it? |
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| @Milk_is_Special If you find it confusing how gravity affects light think of it in this way. All of space is like this enormous blanket. The stars and other celestial bodies are like balls on the blanket hence the bigger/heavier the mass of the celestial body the more the blanket bends something like this: We say light slows down due to gravity as the light travels along the bend formed by the space instead of cutting right through it. Think of it as a distance vs displacement thing. This is basically how light is affected by gravity and why it has a variable speed in space the reason light cannot escape a black hole is because the bend formed due to gravity is too deep this is called an event horizon here to escape the black hole the velocity needs to be greater than c |
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Milk_is_Special said: This picture is very interesting. what happens if you walk in the center of the donuts hole? Btw I think planets like this could exist only if they were very small. Planets the size of the earth would most likely collapse into a sphere due to the gravitational action of the opposing sides. |
| Hmm, now here's an interesting question. Let's say you have a large toroidal body in space, where large means it exerts significant gravitational force. On the one hand, you have a somewhat nonuniform compressive stress throughout the whole thing, so it will collapse if the material has inadequate compressive strength or stiffness. Let's not get into the weird and wonderful buckling modes this thing would have. In addition to that, stuff on the inside of the torus would, I believe, experience gravity in an upward direction, so the material needs to bu sufficiently compacted or solid enough to hold itself against that. So now you need tensile strength as well. So basically, if your planet was cast as one giant piece of steel or something, it might work, but the way loose aggregate clumps together to form planets by gravity probably wouldn't give you the necessary compaction for the thing to hold itself together on the inside. So basically, if self gravity is significant, then it will in all likelihood collapse into a sphere. Hence why all known planets are more or less spherical. |
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