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Oct 9, 2009 12:58 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Wow, this series never seem to let me down, Saten is pretty good with his skills^^ I think if he showed up a lot earlier in the battle, Adam and his friends would have a much lower chance of winning. Aruka actually comes into my mind the moment the girl with a mask pops up, and for Eve her clothing at the end actually reminds me of Moka XD
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Oct 10, 2009 8:27 AM
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*waiting for subs* ~_~'
Oct 11, 2009 1:29 PM
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dam..

yay for new op and ed tho lolz
Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM
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One question :
The subbed version coming out but...
We have really that in this episode ?
here?
I doesn't already saw... but i want to speak about that before. ^^'
Oct 11, 2009 6:42 PM
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Another great ep! This time with sketchy graphics. I doubt they will ever leave that shelter.

Hope this wasn't the last we seen the pretty girl squad!

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Oct 11, 2009 7:27 PM
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Once again another good episode, this show never fails to deliver IMO. Can't wait till next week. Although the crappsy animations throughout the episode were annoying I can cope with it seeing how I like this show so much.

Also Panty Shots FTW~


Also Who doesn't love bible references?



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Oct 11, 2009 7:44 PM
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Fourth Strongest is Cruz's sister...
The green hair and yellow eyes same as his sister.
So I'm thinking that.
Oct 11, 2009 8:03 PM
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Wow... that was some QUALITY animation.
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Oct 11, 2009 8:14 PM
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What kind of cliffhanger is that o_o!


Oct 11, 2009 8:22 PM

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I'm wondering about Saten fragment, I have some theorie about it.

1-He have the zero fragment like Blade and Adam, he's just not using ability Blade and co know so that they don't notice it

2-He manipulate the wind and use the cannon-like thing on his arm to produce heat or cold. Doing so he can use wind, freeze and burn things by using wind to transport the heat or cold where he want. Wind is also a force so if you use it correctly you can dispel anything. It would also explain why Blade's shirt broke when he used the fourth wall because he don't have any heat to create the fire for the attack since it is not a fragment but come from a machine, only the wind who broke his shirt would have appeared.

I think it's more likely the #2 but well who know ._.
Since the first time the fourth strongest was mentionned, with Cruz's sister in the op it was obvious that the fourth was his sister. It became even more obvious with the new op and this lattest episode.
Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM

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Good episode! I LOVE NEEDLESS!

But wtf happened to the animation during some parts? LoL. One of their people get sick and they had to use a sub?

Well can't wait to see Saten's fragment.
Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM

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Dang This Was Epic Wonder what Saten's Fragment Really Is
Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM

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when are they going to leave that shelter...
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2-He manipulate the wind and use the cannon-like thing on his arm to produce heat or cold. Doing so he can use wind, freeze and burn things by using wind to transport the heat or cold where he want. Wind is also a force so if you use it correctly you can dispel anything. It would also explain why Blade's shirt broke when he used the fourth wall because he don't have any heat to create the fire for the attack since it is not a fragment but come from a machine, only the wind who broke his shirt would have appeared.
i was thinking the same since i saw the wind
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Oct 12, 2009 1:00 AM

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Awesome ep as always, the fights are getting really nice, and they managed to "spoil" next ep by themselves for those who haven't managed to figure it out yet :P

About Saten's fragment, I'm thinking about the hint that blade gave when he tried to use it. He did call it karma, which might be the name of the fragment, the abilities it posses I can only speculate but considering the name it might be something like absorption and then retaliation, you know what goes around comes around :P
But hopefully we get to see it next ep.

also Pantyshots are a different matter entirely.
Pantyshots are a different matter entirely



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maxime1007 said:
2-He manipulate the wind and use the cannon-like thing on his arm to produce heat or cold. Doing so he can use wind, freeze and burn things by using wind to transport the heat or cold where he want. Wind is also a force so if you use it correctly you can dispel anything. It would also explain why Blade's shirt broke when he used the fourth wall because he don't have any heat to create the fire for the attack since it is not a fragment but come from a machine, only the wind who broke his shirt would have appeared.

I think it's more likely the #2 but well who know ._.
Since the first time the fourth strongest was mentionned, with Cruz's sister in the op it was obvious that the fourth was his sister. It became even more obvious with the new op and this lattest episode.



Oh men I just wanted to write the same thing... -_-''
Another great episode of Needless... I wish them to keep up the good work and to avoid that lame animation more. :D
Oct 12, 2009 1:31 AM
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Couldn't Saten's Fragment be Temperature? cuz he was able to freeze and burn which
are on both ends of temperature measurement and if u mix hot and cold air a certain way you can make wind.
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_Aigis_ said:
Couldn't Saten's Fragment be Temperature? cuz he was able to freeze and burn which
are on both ends of temperature measurement and if u mix hot and cold air a certain way you can make wind.
I was thinking something similar, but maxime1007's theory might be closer to the truth. But neither of these explain what Cruz said, that Saten has to use all his powers and possibly in a sequence
Oct 12, 2009 4:05 AM

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Awesome episode was awesome. Nice to see how someones fragment isn't completely obvious for once and the thinking involved isn't incredibly simple that anyone could figure it out. Can't wait till next episode.

Also animation was lolzy and all over the place. Definitely not in a bad way.
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Oct 12, 2009 7:17 AM
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@kvakond i like the avatar of eve the most, really making me laugh lol

Kvakond said:
_Aigis_ said:
Couldn't Saten's Fragment be Temperature? cuz he was able to freeze and burn which
are on both ends of temperature measurement and if u mix hot and cold air a certain way you can make wind.
I was thinking something similar, but maxime1007's theory might be closer to the truth. But neither of these explain what Cruz said, that Saten has to use all his powers and possibly in a sequence
yeah, _Aigis_ and maxiee1007 theories seem logic but yamada's thought just pour cool water on it.

(just realize my theory might be potentially a spoiler so i put a tag on it)


but its weird why disc cant scan the fragment if my theory is true tho... n what saten said about kurumi's genetic can still be used also bug me a bit (is it related to saten's fragment?)
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Oct 12, 2009 9:02 AM

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rofl, Saten rocks, but he lost his pressurizing aura

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Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM

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I just knew yamada's sis is a bad guy. Or so I think.
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Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM

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Here are my theories about Saten's fragment:

1. Saten is actually four people

2. Everything was just a dream.

3. Saten is the second.

I'm going for #3 how about u guys? XD

Actually I always assumed he was a zero fragment since he looks so much like the 2 adams... oh well.

Anyway, this series is kicking some ass. Hopefully it will run past this season.

And remember guys, panty shots are another matter entirely.
Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM

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I don't really think Saten's fragment is that amazing:

- Disc said there is nothing abnormal about his fragment. So he shouldn't has more than one fragment.
- Cruz mention that he can't used the same ability repeatedly.
- At the beginning he said about he can use others people DNA.
- What we have seen so far is he only use his ability with those machines on his hands.

Now the deal is:
- He needs DNA.
- He needs those machine on his hands.
- He can't use the same ability repeatedly.

You should believed that Blade is actually memorized Saten's fragment but can NOT activate it or rather doesn't know the effect of the fragment. I guess the only way to get out of this is... Saten's fragment is something like empower other people fragment while the machines on his hands hold the DNA/fragment ability.

@Kvakond: that is a kickass ava.


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Oct 12, 2009 5:30 PM

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It would be something if Matthew 5:30 was actually it.

I wonder is that fourth strongest wearing any underwear....

Saten's fragment is quite puzzling indeed.
Oct 12, 2009 6:49 PM
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lol, Saten's ability would be similar to retribution (i.e. absorp, release, absorb, release, etc...)

Of course, he stores the energy in the two limiter attached to his wrists.

Other than that, Yamada's sister (or look-alike) finally revealed....
bla bla bla
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Oct 12, 2009 7:16 PM

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Yeah, sketchy animation.
Oct 12, 2009 7:39 PM

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Yeah, sketchy animation.


Oh yeah I totaly had forgotten about this, this was lulz xD
Oct 12, 2009 8:47 PM

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I'm still confused about his attack name.

sounds like he's saying "dying halo" since thats what fansub thought it was in ep 1.

but I guess it could just be a japanese phrase for fourth wave?

or maybe a crazy japanese accented fourth wave? XD
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I already knew that fourth strongest is Cruz's sister since there's a small hint of her in episode nine. I am more interested in her reason to be fourth. I am looking forward to Saten's fragment and Cruz's sister's fragment as well.
Oct 12, 2009 10:44 PM

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I think we can safely rule out Saten being another Second clone, since the way I understand how the Needless world works is that each fragment is unique and Saten has used fire in a completely different way to Teruyama's fire which would rule out a memorization.

I was thinking the whole episode it may be "I have the power of Thermodynamics!!!" but that's too broad. Temperature is a good fit as indeed it can freeze, heat, and provoke updrafts, and the fact that to use the last one he has to use the other two in secuence is related to what Cruz said. Other possibility is he has some sort of "Science Knowledge fragment", that would explain why he is in charge of keeping Arclight alive, his powers (they are actually related to his devices) and why he commenst about Kurumi's DNA (maybe he can clone her or design a weapon for his use from her genes), but that wouldn't relate well with Cruz's clue.

I feel we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, and maybe Saten's character design will be involved in the solution (particularly his eyes which may be invoking some sort of disability superpower, and of course, his giant bracelets/cannons).
Oct 13, 2009 1:11 AM

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I'm still confused about his attack name.

sounds like he's saying "dying halo" since thats what fansub thought it was in ep 1.

but I guess it could just be a japanese phrase for fourth wave?

or maybe a crazy japanese accented fourth wave? XD
I guess it's a similar case to Release temptation/Lilith's temptation. Hard to guess with all the engrish till it's written in an ep title
Oct 13, 2009 7:33 AM

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I'd be glad if they had left that room ffs.. But not a single sec of boredom as always.
Oct 13, 2009 11:24 AM

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i think his power is
RANDOM
Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM

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almozayaf said:
i think his power is
RANDOM


It's not random, he obviously know which attack he's going to use before doing it.
Oct 13, 2009 1:03 PM

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Wow... that was some QUALITY animation.


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Mawootad said:
Wow... that was some QUALITY animation.

Some of the parts reminded me of Noein and some its fights..
Oct 13, 2009 1:10 PM

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iiSatou said:
Fourth Strongest is Cruz's sister...
The green hair and yellow eyes same as his sister.
So I'm thinking that.


Would it be awesome if it wasn't and they just made you think it is?
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Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM
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Nice episode with a very experimental animation on some fights. It was original and great.

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Oct 13, 2009 2:57 PM

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<_< I'm so confused..is Saten's fragment different from Adam's? Or does he like, kill Needless and absorb their Fragments as his own?

Oct 13, 2009 5:59 PM

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<_< I'm so confused..is Saten's fragment different from Adam's? Or does he like, kill Needless and absorb their Fragments as his own?


Nah, if he had Zero frament Adam wouldn't have been able to absorb his fragment, and Disc would have been able to scan it.

Temperature and Pressure are both good possibilities but I dunno where Yamada's speculation about Saten having to use his attacks in sequence fits in.

Oh well, I guess I'll leave the thinking to Yamada and just enjoy the panty shots. :D
Oct 16, 2009 10:26 AM

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Comedy wasn't as good as normally this episode. Also the endless fight is starting to get on my nerves. It's like watching DBZ all over again. But well, it's still more or less decent.
Also that shitty animation in between was used way too often. I didn't find that too hilarious or funny.
Oct 16, 2009 7:41 PM

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What a cliffhanger. I can't wait for 16 now.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

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AWESOME SHOW FOR AWESOME PEOPLE!

Cool ep, that Saten guy is pretty insane!


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unellmay said:
iiSatou said:
Fourth Strongest is Cruz's sister...
The green hair and yellow eyes same as his sister.
So I'm thinking that.

Would it be awesome if it wasn't and they just made you think it is?

@unellmay
i will be impressed if your theory turn out to be true, but nah, needless isnt epic enough to be like that
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flame_tiong said:
unellmay said:
iiSatou said:
Fourth Strongest is Cruz's sister...
The green hair and yellow eyes same as his sister.
So I'm thinking that.

Would it be awesome if it wasn't and they just made you think it is?

@unellmay
i will be impressed if your theory turn out to be true, but nah, needless isnt epic enough to be like that

I don't think that would be epic. It would be the equivalent of a Shocking Swerve: May be interesting for a second with the "Gotcha!" effect on the public, but then wouldn't add anything to the story. Instead, by her being Cruz's sister, there is a whole new pathos and added stakes to the plotline.
Oct 18, 2009 2:03 AM

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this show just keeps fucking rocking. i dont know how nobody there thinks that the one chick is cruz's sister. i'll be incredibly surprised if its not her. we'll see, cant wait for next week.
Oct 18, 2009 7:34 AM

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Not much comedy,but cool fights,I too think that the fragment of Saten is something about the heat/temperature. XD
Oct 25, 2009 3:49 AM

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The bad animation made this episode even better.
Oct 26, 2009 6:42 PM

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Another decent episode...but when will they get out of that room already?!!?
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