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| This whole show just got so much worse for me, both because of the way it went and how stupid they make the characters act. Come on they have three dragons, bad guys have one dragon. It's a damn 3 on 1, and yet the 3 of them run to let them gather their strength? LOL! Jin even said that they would do that, and yet they just waited to be attacked. Love how toa and machina stood by to let Gio go 1 on 1 and then get stabbed. If she wanted to do something for him for once she could have stopped the sword from going into him, that would be a good start I think. The fact they killed akira just pisses me off, and she saved Toa because for some reason Toa is dumber than an average human. Her and machina were awesome compared to the other pairs. I've never dropped an anime unless it was on TV, since I could not be bothered to remember the times, but I am seriously considering dropping this now. =( /end rant And yes! I voted for the hated one, first time ever but it must be done. I'm not saying the show is horrible compared to other anime, I'm just saying I personally really hate how it went! Well and the characters are kinda stupid, again, probably just me. |
| Okay this sucks, they killed one of my two favorites in this crappy show. They really didn't have to do it. =/ |
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| Weird episode... I really IS amazing how bad an anime can be but yet I just want to see more of it. x_x I mean there are anime that are supposed to be random, anime like Excel Saga and such. But if an anime like Dragonaut claims to have a serious story they should really put more thoughts into it. "Oh how nice, there is a hot spring here. We are being chased by enemies and the water could have weird chemicals in it but lets take a dip!" "Hey we didn't waste enough time in the hot springs to be caught by the enemy, let's have a spontaneous wedding with rings of ice that will probably melt after 10 minutes anyway." I also liked Akira... the number of characters I like in this anime is getting pretty short. =/ |
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| Well, the spontaneous wedding ceremony was kinda random...thats true. I got that feeling since the beginning that either Garnet or Asim must be Dragons xD Can't wait to see the that damn fight settled. |
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| A bit random, still ok, but the Spring thing nearly left me in despair. It was so...unnecessary. That they killed off Akira sucks. Or so i'd like to say. But i didnt care at all. But I like Evil Machinas look! First time in this series that i want to see the next episode as fast as possible. Only because i hope that Machina will kick Garnets ass. ('cause i just dislike Garnet.) |
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| Akira! D: |
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| Toa is pretty much eyecandy, not that I'm protesting. It's just lame that Toa have yet to do anything significant beside crying for Jin. Why Akira!? It's all a big joke. Akira will be back. She must come back. |
SamuraiTom said: Toa is pretty much eyecandy, not that I'm protesting. It's just lame that Toa have yet to do anything significant beside crying for Jin. Why Akira!? It's all a big joke. Akira will be back. She must come back. Eithor that or we find out that Machina somehow got preggos with Akira lol. |
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canis said: Weird episode... I really IS amazing how bad an anime can be but yet I just want to see more of it. x_x I mean there are anime that are supposed to be random, anime like Excel Saga and such. But if an anime like Dragonaut claims to have a serious story they should really put more thoughts into it. "Oh how nice, there is a hot spring here. We are being chased by enemies and the water could have weird chemicals in it but lets take a dip!" "Hey we didn't waste enough time in the hot springs to be caught by the enemy, let's have a spontaneous wedding with rings of ice that will probably melt after 10 minutes anyway." I also liked Akira... the number of characters I like in this anime is getting pretty short. =/ Ditto at everything you said... Its so random, its so weird, too many unnecessary parts, but i just have to watch! |
| I don't know about you guys, but I just LOVED this ep! this anime got so good ever since Asim was first showed. |
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rikia said: I don't know about you guys, but I just LOVED this ep! this anime got so good ever since Asim was first showed. I can partly agree with that. Asim sure enriched the show (and he is eye candy for fangirls like me). He is a bastard but I can't hate him. >_> And he is being mean to Jin which also makes me like him. Akiras death I blame to the bad script writers of the anime and not Asim. Like I also don't hate Kazuki just because the jumpy story makers decided to turn him evil while he used to be such a gentle cutie. I would also hate Jin if I was in his place. Now you have to excuse me, I will go and hide somewhere for my safety since I just outed myself as Kazuki fan and I know how most people hate him... |
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canis said: Like I also don't hate Kazuki just because the jumpy story makers decided to turn him evil while he used to be such a gentle cutie. I would also hate Jin if I was in his place. Now you have to excuse me, I will go and hide somewhere for my safety since I just outed myself as Kazuki fan and I know how most people hate him... lawl *attacks you with hatred* lol j/k but honestly why do you like him? He hates his best friend for pointless reasons and acts like it's the end of the world now that Jin is gone. Does Kazuki even realize that his best friend lost his whole family and has nothing left to live for other then two dragons that seem to care for him? How could you like someone as selfish as Kazuki? It's mind boggling. I guess everyone likes different types of characters :S. |
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DeathfireD said: lawl *attacks you with hatred* lol j/k but honestly why do you like him? He hates his best friend for pointless reasons and acts like it's the end of the world now that Jin is gone. Does Kazuki even realize that his best friend lost his whole family and has nothing left to live for other then two dragons that seem to care for him? How could you like someone as selfish as Kazuki? It's mind boggling. I guess everyone likes different types of characters :S. Ok, let's play lawyer for the devil. ;P Try to see things from Kazukis side: He had a best friend, Jin. They promised to go into space together one day but cause lucky Jin happens to have a pilot as father he gets the chance earlier to see earth from space - Kazuki is not envious (not in an evil way at least). Accident happens, Jins family dies and even though Kazuki tries to be there for Jin, he just leaves the pilot school, lives with some relatives and hugs his knees for the next two years, claiming he is all alone. =/ Dunno, I just think it's odd to push your best friend away and THEN say that you are all alone. >_> Jin didn't need to be alone, he wanted to pity himself. (Kazukis family is never mentioned, it might be that he is even an orphan from the start, just a theory though) Kazuki meanwhile worked hard to become a pilot, I don't think anyone can easily become a dragonaut so he must have put a lot of effort into this. Now Jin appears out of nowhere and takes Kazukis dragon away and later becomes the hero who saved earth. >_> I don't like this typical "his father was a great pilot so Jin inherited his skills" stuff, I still think skill is acquired and I don't see how Jin could get any Dragonaut skills by sitting in a corner and whining. Why did Jin even dislike Kazuki once they met at the ISDA? Because Kazuki knew of the truth behind the accident? So did all the people Jin is now friends with. He couldn't forgive Kazuki to not tell the world that Jins poor father was innocent but dragons hit the shuttle, but it didn't take him more than a day to forgive Toa when he learned that she was directly involved into that accident! o_O Is Kazuki lacking the breasts to be forgiven that easily? Dunno, what Jin is thinking. But I admit that I also don't like Kazukis change into the bad boy. I still hope there will be a story turn that makes him one of the good ones again. Oh well, I can see why people don't like Kazuki too much, but in my opinion Jin is much worse. Btw, I have a theory on why Gio was born with the urge to protect Toa. Could it be that Kazuki was thinking of Jin alot (and how he always liked to help him) when Gio was born, so that Gio felt the urge to protect Jins dragon? |
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canis said: DeathfireD said: lawl *attacks you with hatred* lol j/k but honestly why do you like him? He hates his best friend for pointless reasons and acts like it's the end of the world now that Jin is gone. Does Kazuki even realize that his best friend lost his whole family and has nothing left to live for other then two dragons that seem to care for him? How could you like someone as selfish as Kazuki? It's mind boggling. I guess everyone likes different types of characters :S. Ok, let's play lawyer for the devil. ;P Try to see things from Kazukis side: He had a best friend, Jin. They promised to go into space together one day but cause lucky Jin happens to have a pilot as father he gets the chance earlier to see earth from space - Kazuki is not envious (not in an evil way at least). Accident happens, Jins family dies and even though Kazuki tries to be there for Jin, he just leaves the pilot school, lives with some relatives and hugs his knees for the next two years, claiming he is all alone. =/ Dunno, I just think it's odd to push your best friend away and THEN say that you are all alone. >_> Jin didn't need to be alone, he wanted to pity himself. (Kazukis family is never mentioned, it might be that he is even an orphan from the start, just a theory though) Kazuki meanwhile worked hard to become a pilot, I don't think anyone can easily become a dragonaut so he must have put a lot of effort into this. Now Jin appears out of nowhere and takes Kazukis dragon away and later becomes the hero who saved earth. >_> I don't like this typical "his father was a great pilot so Jin inherited his skills" stuff, I still think skill is acquired and I don't see how Jin could get any Dragonaut skills by sitting in a corner and whining. Why did Jin even dislike Kazuki once they met at the ISDA? Because Kazuki knew of the truth behind the accident? So did all the people Jin is now friends with. He couldn't forgive Kazuki to not tell the world that Jins poor father was innocent but dragons hit the shuttle, but it didn't take him more than a day to forgive Toa when he learned that she was directly involved into that accident! o_O Is Kazuki lacking the breasts to be forgiven that easily? Dunno, what Jin is thinking. But I admit that I also don't like Kazukis change into the bad boy. I still hope there will be a story turn that makes him one of the good ones again. Oh well, I can see why people don't like Kazuki too much, but in my opinion Jin is much worse. I agree with you to some extent, but come on now. Just because Jin left the pilot training place doesn't mean Kazuki can't try to help him cope with his loss of family in the near future. After that one talk, later on when we see Jin on his bed alone we don't ever see Kazuki come visit him let alone any indication that he ever meet Jim just to hang out since that incident. It's as if Kazukis just gave up on their friendship because he thought there was no point. This is something a best friend would never do no matter what the circumstances. So lets put it this way, would you want to talk to anyone the first month if your family was just wiped out and you had a near death experience? I probably would not but after that month or two of grieving boy id probably open up to my best friend or g/f and just say what was on my mind. Also we have Jin's substitute family that does not seem to care much for him or even notice him. Possibly because the world all thinks his dad killed all those people and there taking it out on him. It was probably a huge burden for them to take him in as well, first because of expenses and second because of people making comments about Jin's dad causing the crash. In fact I'm not even sure if that family was related to Jin since he mentions on several occasions not just to the dragons but also to humans that he has no one left. Then we have Jin meeting Kazuki after so many years of not talking, the first thing we find out is that Kazuki knew the truth about Jins father and he didn't once mention it to Jin simply because ISDN would not allow it. That does not seem right to me. If they where best friends and Kazuki cared anything for Jin he would have mentioned something to him once he found out or would have tried to communicate with Jin just to hang out. Instead he was far to focused on "his soon to be obtained dragon" and didn’t seem to give a shit about Jin. At least that’s the impression I got from the first episode. Kazuki seemed more excited about Jin becoming a pilot then about seeing him after so many years. It’s true Kazuki spent years training to be a pilot and not once did he visit Jin to try and help him. Then all of a sudden Jin shows up, gets offered a job to be a pilot, finds out the truth about the crash, and rejects his position as a pilot because of it. Does Kazuki try and sympathize with Jin? Nope. The next thing we know Jin is smack dab in a battle with mythical beasts trying to save Toe, who seems to be the only person in the word that has shown any kind of affection towards him for the past several or so years. Gio also shows up, with the same common goal of helping Toe, so it makes sense that they would team up. Kazuki sees this and goes ape shit. Why? Well keep in mind Jin sees the dragons as living beings and Kazuki sees them as objects (ie. His tools to pilot). If he had seen them as living beings as Jin does, then I’m sure he would accept what had happened and moved on to a new Dragon or at the very least, try to befriend Gio instead of yelling at him (heck he got a new Dragon anyway after a few eps). Instead he becomes obsessed with that fact that his best friend took away his object of desire. I’m sure there’s some in-depth over the top reason why he went ape shit, who knows if we will ever find out since this show was based on a h-game. Maybe your right, maybe Kazuki was an orphan and he saw Gio as something to make him feel better but if that was the case why would he be treating Gio as just some tool and not as a friend? Anyway I see it, Kazuki doesn’t give a shit about Jin. But this is just my opinion. I’m sure everyone else has different opinions on why they hate him. Btw, I have a theory on why Gio was born with the urge to protect Toa. Could it be that Kazuki was thinking of Jin alot (and how he always liked to help him) when Gio was born, so that Gio felt the urge to protect Jins dragon? Sounds interesting, but then again remember the last episode where we learned that Akira’s Dragon Machina inherited some of the opposite traits as her (ie. She was “considered” hotter, more ladylike, and generally everything Akira wasn’t). There’s also captain glasses and his red dragon hotcakes (his dragon is more outgoing, lets his emotions fly, and doesn’t seem to think rationally about serious things). So maybe Gio Inherited the opposite of what Kazuki was feeling (ie. didn’t give a shit about anything other then “his soon to be obtained Dragon“, his ability to never stay cool and composed, and his ability to help his best friend). As much as I hate him I do really hope there’s a real reason why Kazuki is acting like an emo bastard. If not then I think I’ll hate him even more :P. 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| I'm glad that I could actually discuss the character Kazuki finally. ^^ I was really reluctant for awhile mentioning that I like him since the previous topics where filled with "KAZUKI DIE!!". T_T (scary for Kazuki fans) Because of your detailed post I can now see more why Kazuki is THAT hated. There is a fundamental problem that makes us have so different opinions: lack of information. (and I fear this anime is too random to ever give us that informations) For example we really don't know about Kazukis background. I would have to jump into theories that would probably almost be a whole fanfiction to try to explain his behavior towards Jin. Maybe Kazuki is an orphan and saw Jin as his only family. When Jins family died, Jin also pushed Kazuki away which would mean that in the same moment Jin lost his family, Kazuki lost his "family" he saw in Jin. But that is just a theory and of course not to be seen as a claim, just want to show that there are still possibilities to explain Kazuki. The main point in your post was about Kazuki not contacting Jin after he left the pilot school, but I think he didn't chose to just not see Jin anymore. He didn't know where Jin lives. Especially with all the media being so crazy about Jins father, Jin might have moved to a place not easy to find (stuff like secret telephone number that doesn't appear in phone books etc.). To me Kazuki did seem happy to see Jin again after their long separation and wanted to persuade him to become pilot to return to old times when both of them where at pilot school. Ok, I just leave it as that for now. I could go into futher imagining to explain why Kazuki could still be a good guy but it really would be just speculation. No matter how jumpy those story writers of dragonaut are, IF they ever wanted Kazuki to be a nice character they will make his evil phase pass and let him do something good in the end (even if it's just dying protecting someone or so). I also hope he can get over the loss of Gio... Widow is so much cooler anyway! >_< I wish Kazuki would act more reasonable, cause it is obvious that Widow also suffers from his reckless deeds recently. :( |
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canis said: I'm glad that I could actually discuss the character Kazuki finally. ^^ I was really reluctant for awhile mentioning that I like him since the previous topics where filled with "KAZUKI DIE!!". T_T (scary for Kazuki fans) Because of your detailed post I can now see more why Kazuki is THAT hated. .......... I agree, the story is to jumpy and it's all thanks to sucky writers and it originally being an h-game :P. You're probably right about Kazuki doing something good at the end (dieing for Jin or confessing his love to him..etc), at least I hope your right since theres little else he could do other then go ape shit some more. I don't really know about the whole "Jin being family" thing. I guess it's possible but we probably wont ever find out until the end or maybe never. I, personally, still like to think that Kazuki really didn't care about Jin at all after that conversation when his family died. lol He works for ISDN, he could have simply asked them for his address or number :P. I'm sure they would have gladly given it to him since they obviously needed more pilots at the time. Theres so many things Kazuki could have done to be a better friend but he really didn't choose anything other then train, train, train, "give me Gio!", omg cry. O well, there had to be at least one emo kid in the story :P. I think at this point, even if Kazuki did something over the top amazing for Jin, people would still hate him. At least thats how I feel. Glad we could have a civilized discussion :) |
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| Is it really based on an H-game? o_O I had no idea. Not that I didn't notice the overwhelming fan service, but I just never heard of Dragonaut before so I thought it was something completely new. |
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| Haha Akira died. I didn't see that coming. No subtle hints whatsoever and then, BAM!!!, they kill off one of the few decent characters. |
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| Bah, they killed off the sshows only cute cute girls within 2-3 eps. Anything below double E must die it seems. Ûber evil beyond all normal anime Asim is pretty annoying too. |
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Guiden said: This whole show just got so much worse for me, both because of the way it went and how stupid they make the characters act. Come on they have three dragons, bad guys have one dragon. It's a damn 3 on 1, and yet the 3 of them run to let them gather their strength? LOL! Jin even said that they would do that, and yet they just waited to be attacked. Love how toa and machina stood by to let Gio go 1 on 1 and then get stabbed. If she wanted to do something for him for once she could have stopped the sword from going into him, that would be a good start I think. The fact they killed akira just pisses me off, and she saved Toa because for some reason Toa is dumber than an average human. Her and machina were awesome compared to the other pairs. I've never dropped an anime unless it was on TV, since I could not be bothered to remember the times, but I am seriously considering dropping this now. =( /end rant And yes! I voted for the hated one, first time ever but it must be done. I'm not saying the show is horrible compared to other anime, I'm just saying I personally really hate how it went! Well and the characters are kinda stupid, again, probably just me. I agree 100%. It's still better than a whole lot of shows though - so I guess I shouldn't complain too much! |
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| awww i liked akira :( ,and i hope toa dosn't die too! |
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| Coincidentally a hot spring? A weird random wedding? And they killed one of the few likeable characters? |
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