Why not watch Watamote or/and Girls band cry instead

Dellio_man said:

She is tho as for what I'm seeing rn. Her personality trait is just social anxiety which is fine if you like that but tomoko to me is just alot more complex. While u can also argue tomokos personality is just "wanting to be popular" but there are more nuances in how technically she can go abt that rather than having her one goal be her only personality

Tacsk0 said:
@mobxmentality
> GBC is a music drama that is not focussing on the comedy aspect

????? I, for one squealed like a pig for the first 8 episodes of Girls Band Cry as the comedy just never stopped. Its creative crew found ways to present even drama parts in a kind of slapstick / ham-fisted way to induce laughter. Remember the old silent era B&W movies, where characters slapped each other to just music backing and the audience laughed? Like that. Plus, the (anti)-heroine vocalist Iseri Nina is such a walking paradox you can't avoid laughing at her, while drummer Subaru is a certified shit-stirrer and habitual liar, disguised as an adept socielite actress, which is actually just disguise for a very loveable genki girl who makes you smile.

(Early MTL fansubbers should also be forgiven for their intentional meme-trolling of GBC, since those heinous lines actually added to the experience!)

Btw, TOEI Studio's Project Alnair (development of the "Girls Band Cry" mixed media franchise) started over 5 years ago, in early 2019 and so it cannot be credibly accused of trying to copy Bocchi's or Bandori's success. In general, BanGDream/ MyGo! fans have largely embraced GBC / TogeToge quite soon, while BtR fans remain more hostile. They have more to lose, meanwhile Bandori fans see in GBC the salvation from "stilted glass zombie" looks, which plagued MyGo's CGI so much.

Tacsk0 said:
My problems with BtR are two-fold:

1. BtR is a "4-koma" gag manga and as such lacks substance. It's definitely possible to make not great, yet enjoyable anime out of 4-koma source, but it takes modesty (e.g I liked xenon rifle is beautiful).

In contrast, Watamote's source is a full-featured manga created by a light novelist + illustrator duo, a long-running work whose story actually had to be dumbed down and panderized after the anime adaptation (* see footnote)

Girls Band Cry is a fully original story, but written by the creative staff who had made Stein's Gate (MAL 9.04 !!!), Antartica / Yorimoi (8.64) and the perennial favourite Love Live Sunhine!, also a sizeable portion of the Hibike Euphonium saga. As such, GBC's team was able to pour tremendous amount of creativity into a story that's free from the boring and overused cliches of school-life (note: all 5 of the GBC main chara are dropouts). More mature themes and drama, balanced by great pysical comedy that reminds me of old silent movies, set in a highly realistic urban environment and with a down-to-earth approach.

Comparing Bocchi to GBC and Watamote storywise is like putting an ABBA musical next to Hamlet and Moliere...

2. BtR looks ugly and I can't find a less heavy word for it. I have no problem with low quality animation as long as it has a certain charm to its aesthetics (e.g. Kemono Friends S1 is a miracle!) However, when animation is both sloppy and unpleasant, there is no excuse to watch it! Much of Bocchi wasn't even properly 2D animated, more like a flipbook drawn by a 10 year old kid.

In contrast, decade old Watamote still looks visually pristine and Tomoko is oh so pretty! It shows how much effort and love the animators poured into her character, even the ED has genius animation.

We don't even need to get started on GBC: it's a revolutionary anime series, a TV-budget 3D CGI production whose visuals match those of 2018 Hollywood animated movies. If that sounds silly and petty, think again: TV anime is broadcast free-to-view in Japan, thus an original project like GBC has near-zero guaranteed income and must cope on a shoe-string production budget accordingly. Movies can rely on ticket sales and if already established franchises they can easily gain collabs with fast-food chains, etc. Furthermore, Japan has neglected full-potential CGI use for decades, both in games and animation and so fell hopelessly behind the USA and China. GBC single-handedly removed min. 10 years of that lag and if anime industry as a whole has the courage to adapt to this new era heralded by TOEI, they can survive. I don't have much hope in anime industry reforming itself but they've undeniably been given a chance by GBC success. Btw, GBC's character designer is Teshima Nari of Holo Live / Grafitti fame.

(*) Footnote: the story of Watamote's "spaghetti conspiracy" is long and complicated, but essentially the western (!) fandom manipulated manga sales figures as the story moved from web publication to physical (tankobon) format. Such cooking of stats led the publisher to vastly overestimate Watamote' potential in the anime market and a high quality one-cour adaptation was greenlit. Domestic disc sales turned out miserable however and western fandom couldn't afford to manipulate sales for expensive DVD box sets the same way they did with dirt-cheap tankobons. As such the anime's commercial failure almost sunk Watamote manga as well and the authors had to abruptly transform the story into a lesbian harem just to stay afloat. Watamote anime S2 never happened, of course.

Tacsk0 said:
@mobxmentality
> GBC is a music drama that is not focussing on the comedy aspect

????? I, for one squealed like a pig for the first 8 episodes of Girls Band Cry as the comedy just never stopped. Its creative crew found ways to present even drama parts in a kind of slapstick / ham-fisted way to induce laughter. Remember the old silent era B&W movies, where characters slapped each other to just music backing and the audience laughed? Like that. Plus, the (anti)-heroine vocalist Iseri Nina is such a walking paradox you can't avoid laughing at her, while drummer Subaru is a certified shit-stirrer and habitual liar, disguised as an adept socielite actress, which is actually just disguise for a very loveable genki girl who makes you smile.

(Early MTL fansubbers should also be forgiven for their intentional meme-trolling of GBC, since those heinous lines actually added to the experience!)

Btw, TOEI Studio's Project Alnair (development of the "Girls Band Cry" mixed media franchise) started over 5 years ago, in early 2019 and so it cannot be credibly accused of trying to copy Bocchi's or Bandori's success. In general, BanGDream/ MyGo! fans have largely embraced GBC / TogeToge quite soon, while BtR fans remain more hostile. They have more to lose, meanwhile Bandori fans see in GBC the salvation from "stilted glass zombie" looks, which plagued MyGo's CGI so much.

Dee_savage said:
Because Watamote isnt better, its cringe, its mid, its not relatable at all

Bocchi’s Social Anxiety is way better represented

And Girls Band Cry is not good at all, it sucks, its crappy, the characters suck, and the music sucks too, GBC SUCKS, its one of the worst music anime, even K-ON! is better

BOCCHI THE ROCK is wayyy better than GBC in all aspects, BTR’s characters, Music, and every other thing i can think of are all wayy better, like a million times better than GBC, in fact BTR and K-ON! are the two greatest music anime ever!! and thats a fact

So no, i dont wanna watch watamote and GBC because they both are terrible, they suck, and if you don’t like it then too bad so sad, stop watching and GTFO

Dee_savage said:
@Dellio_man no you aint cooking shit, GBC is not as good, its terrible, Watamote is not as good, its terrible, so you can stop watching and GTFO, we dont need fanboys like you