In your opinion, what is the weakest aspect of the Demon Slayer anime as a whole?
| The world building is bad. There's basically no interaction between normal people and demon slayer corps, and there might as well be no interaction between normals and demons given how normals don't seem to recognize their existence. Honestly, both the demon slayer corps and demons are too dumb to exist. As far as how demon slayer corps survive in the normal world, who knows? Do they bully their way around? Does someone pay them? Why don't normals do something about the demons? Shouldn't normals be learning breathing techniques? |
| Partially comedy, partially world building. About the comedy, some jokes just don't land well and feel out of place. It wouldn't be a big deal and it'd be actually fine, because nothing is perfect... but let's not forget that Demon Slayer has Zenitsu. World building could've been also done better. More interactions with regular humans surely would've made the whole story more enjoyable and realistic (to the degree of realism we can talk about when discussing about a show with demons and Breathing techniques, lol). These both elements are not bad, don't get me wrong. They are just either okayish or mediocre, compared to other elements. As a fan of potato faces, I voted for world building. |
| World Building - by S3 it'd nice to see more of the world at large. this couldactually just be pan-in/out shots showing what the country is somewhat like. the lack of this leaves a somewhat disjointed break to the suspension of disbelief. the subtle demon lord - demon slayer lord plot and fire breather backstory plot are doing okay. more focus on the villagers and effects on the village could have added more viscerality to S3. there was some opportunity to really hit the emotions hard with the damage which was caused to what was very briefly shown to be one of the most important demon slayer locations. Could be nice to see more panned out shots in general in S3, showcasing scale. Power Scaling tanjiro's growth feels too exponential for an human, and the exact mechanics for power feel not well-enough fleshed out to justify survival Characters (MCs, Hashiras, Demons) MC's are fine. Hashiras probably have been given longer growth prior to facing the big bads. like, a season or something focusing on them before the boss battle. especially now that we're on S3 and moving into the world of hashira, tanjiro's progress and recoveries also feel forcibly fast. Enmu needed a backstory, especially with the film and character hype. While Enmu was really cool as a character, Enmu felt more flat than desireable without the backstory. Demon Slayer Corps. I don't have much issue here. it'd be nice by S3 to gain a few better insights and broader depictions, but that's about it. Repetitive Plot Boss battle -> Boss battle -> Boss battle the repetative feeling could be solved by slowing down, adding some more world building, and exploring charcters and such more before the battle Others (Specify) weight. some of the weighting in scenes feels off. likely due to episode time constraints, albeit some feels a bit dragged, while others are disrupted by cuts and not holding the scene long enough. Comedy not sure if it's "comedy dialogue" or not, but in general some dialogue could probably be cut for more silence (which would add better weight and gravity to some scenes). some darker affects (indicating stress and physical exhaustion) to some of the vocals might aid as well. -- well, thinking out loud about each of the above, that's what I've got atm. |
samthestan said: Sadly, that's typical to any popular anime. You have a lot of people liking it a lot, so there is higher chance to meet somebody toxic or overly devoted to the series, not even trying to understand how somebody might just not enjoy this series. If you take a look at fans of most of fanbases of stuff that's popular at the moment in the English speaking side of the Internet, you might notice similar behavior pattern happening in many conversations. You know, overly hostile reaction to people criticizing the show, even if they do it in a civil way and present valid arguments.The fan base...... WhiteTestament said: Funny, I read something similar about Bleach some time go in a different place, lol. Perhaps it's just a general element of shounen genre, heh.Every characters is one-dimensional, world building is nonexistent, the power system is never explained with everyone pulling breathing techniques from their asses without explanations or how they improved/learned those moves and the plot is the most basic shonen trope ever. Comedy is juvenile, can appeal to younger audiences or people starting to watch anime now. |
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xQoren said: Well, what do you think is happening in this thread? Demid slayers problem is that it’s fans won’t allow any criticism |
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Vulture_47 said: Ya! I think that would have made this series significantly better.I really think it would've been better if author used her old design of Tanjiro and made him a gray character not an "everyone's boy" |
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Vyaiskaya said: Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. It's such a shame how many low-budget anime can pull that off, while a show that's currently super popular (and on a heavy budget) can't.Could be nice to see more panned out shots in general in S3, showcasing scale. Vyaiskaya said: Well, that's something new. I'd love to hear more about that. Are you saying that important scenes are short and unimportant ones are unnecessarily dragged out?weight. some of the weighting in scenes feels off. likely due to episode time constraints, albeit some feels a bit dragged, while others are disrupted by cuts and not holding the scene long enough. |
| 𝓜𝓪𝔂𝓫𝓮 𝔀𝓮 𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓮𝓭 𝓽𝓸 𝓵𝓮𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪𝓼 𝓶𝓾𝓬𝓱 𝓶𝓮𝓶𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓮𝓼 𝓸𝓯 𝓸𝓾𝓻𝓼𝓮𝓵𝓿𝓮𝓼 𝔀𝓲𝓽𝓱 𝓮𝓪𝓬𝓱 𝓸𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻 𝓫𝓮𝓬𝓪𝓾𝓼𝓮 𝔀𝓮 𝓴𝓷𝓮𝔀 𝓸𝓷𝓮 𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝔀𝓮 𝔀𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭𝓷'𝓽 𝓫𝓮 𝓽𝓸𝓰𝓮𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻 𝓪𝓷𝔂 𝓶𝓸𝓻𝓮 |
| Almost everything besides the animation and art, which is not a pro considering it's Ufotable. The lack of character development and worldbuilding, repetitiveness, predictability, so on so forth. It's irritating. The characters are perhaps the biggest part, I can tolerate a bad story but not bad characters. They're loud, inner monologue drives me insane, and the comedy just feels very forced and awful. |
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BitChilly said: The lack of character development (...) The characters are perhaps the biggest part, I can tolerate a bad story but not bad characters. They're loud, inner monologue drives me insane, and the comedy just feels very forced and awful That's bullshit  BitChilly said: worldbuilding What's more needed than Taisho Japan? |
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bastek66 said: To be fair, I do understand the criticism that character development is a bit too..."rushed" at times. Like Muichirou barely spent any time with Tanjiro, and somehow he decides to save Kotetsu and recover his memories. While this is all likely the result of his repressed memories resurfacing and coming to terms with his past, it still feels rushed compared to how actual people change in relationships. Over time and with constant interactions, versus "repressed memories" over what, 10 chapters?BitChilly said: The lack of character development (...) The characters are perhaps the biggest part, I can tolerate a bad story but not bad characters. They're loud, inner monologue drives me insane, and the comedy just feels very forced and awful That's bullshit BitChilly said: worldbuilding What's more needed than Taisho Japan? Character development is so much more than just a change from point A to point B, but how one gets their in a rational manner. It feels a bit weird considering that Mitsuri and Rengoku exists/existed, and they had traits similar to Tanjiro and his kindness. I personally am not too bothered by it, but it does not hold a candle to other manga I have read. |
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Gddda said: 😅 Well, it do have some good qualities, otherwise, it would be impossible to attract such a large number of viewers.To talk about flaws you first need to have some good things about it. |
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| Diminishing returns. Season 3 is still the same Demon Slayer, except that many good qualities of the show have faded by now and can no longer balance out the negative qualities. The poll and the replies point out many valid issues, but they have always been there in the previous seasons plus the movie. The worldbuilding has never been that plausible, and the characters have always been simple. But it never used to bother me too much, because the show used to make up for it with earnestness, emotional intensity, personal stakes, and character interactions in and out of fights. Take these away, and don't add anything new, and the new season is much weaker for it. |
Staxrex said: How did I become the 'Kny hater' here? I'm tired of all these dumb threads. What is wrong with you kny haters? If you don't like the anime stop watching it and quit post trash about it. I am so tired of this. I have generously given the preceding two seasons as well as the movie an impressive score of 8 out of 10. Why am I not allowed to discuss my opinion on the new season being comparatively weaker than previous seasons with others in the community? Also as you can see, this thread doesn't just blindly criticize the show. |
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| I was gonna say boring characters, but you bring up a good point about world building. Like...even Jujutsu Kaisen has a more interesting world. Big 3 definitely dwarf Demon Slayer in that department, too. Pretty sad honestly. |
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LargeSkittle said: Comedy relief character that ain't even funny, but annoying as hell, at least I see him that way. He's definitely one of the worst characters of this series. His presence can ruin every moment, whether it's well written or not.second to this problem is the entire existence of zenitsu. he is annoying, cries too much, yells too much, 99% of the time he is used for comic relief it's awful. That reminds me of times when I started watching KnY. Unlike many people, I wasn't THAT MUCH negative about Zenitsu. I thought his introduction was just meant to make him look annoying, loud, and obnoxious. I hoped to see him grow as the show progresses, so I gave his character leeway when it came to criticism. ;D Welp, few arcs later, and Zenitsu still is exactly the same as he was in the beginning of the story, lol. |
RobertsahDHDA said: yeah! This show's world building is the weakest among all the new gen battle shounen. Personally, I'm not a fan of MHA, and I strongly believe that KNY is much better than MHA. However, I can't deny that even MHA excels in its world-building aspect compared to KNY.I was gonna say boring characters, but you bring up a good point about world building. Like...even Jujutsu Kaisen has a more interesting world. Big 3 definitely dwarf Demon Slayer in that department, too. Pretty sad honestly. |
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descend2 said: Indeed. It's not like Tanjiro is a weakling, of course. He's still one of the most skilled and talented members of the Corps. His rank is also way higher than someone you'd call as "fodder Demon Slayer Corps member". However, there is a power gap between him and Pillars, and the stronget a Pillar is, the bigger that gap becomes.Vyaiskaya said: Why though? It took him 1.5 years to even qualify for the demon slayers. Muichiro the actual prodigy of the series, made hashira in 2 months.Power Scaling tanjiro's growth feels too exponential for an human, and the exact mechanics for power feel not well-enough fleshed out to justify survival Muichirou is the same age as Tanjirou, but even so he's out of reach for Kamado boy. At least as we could have seen in this arc so far. |
SAT_KUMAR said: uhh, okay. I'm awful at being concise, but I'll try to explain the concept, tho I'm no expert. there are some youtube channels such as "Every Frame a Painting" which are far above me ahhaVyaiskaya said: Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. It's such a shame how many low-budget anime can pull that off, while a show that's currently super popular (and on a heavy budget) can't.Could be nice to see more panned out shots in general in S3, showcasing scale. Vyaiskaya said: It might simply be an aspect missing in the source material, so they didn't include it. To be fair, everything I've heard suggst UFOtable is doing things exceedingly 1:1. SO I don't feel it's about budget,so much as relationships, politics/policies and philosophy involved in adapting the manga. weight. some of the weighting in scenes feels off. likely due to episode time constraints, albeit some feels a bit dragged, while others are disrupted by cuts and not holding the scene long enough. Well, that's something new. I'd love to hear more about that. Are you saying that important scenes are short and unimportant ones are unnecessarily dragged out? but, as I understand it, and I'll provide some examples, weight* can deal with a full scene, tho often it's in reference simply the length of cuts which is generally the work of "editing", tho in animation it can sometimes work a bit different. fundamentally however it's not about "importance" of a scene, but giving the scene/cut it's proper "breath". which has a host of potential implications, but I'll stick with some easy examples in cut lengths to illustrate. The most infamous anime example of a scene with a tremendously long weight, would be the elevator scene in evangelion. In more general cinema, Tarkovsky has by far the hallmark and most famous case examples. But lets take an example, panned out with a view of everyone's face, a scene where everyone is sat at a table, seemingly laughing, and joking, but then there is a bad joke - case 1) the scene immediately cuts away from the group of faces, to whatever case 2) the scene shows a quick grimmace on the cast, before cutting case 3) the scene shows the faces turn dour, lets the cast tense up, and we watch the awkward silence for a while, feeling that awkwardness and letting it sink in and note, there's not always a simple or generic right or wrong answer to how much weight should be given. case 1) might be very appropriate if say we're cutting immediately to a specific character who becomes the focal point, imo this could often still come after case 3, but it depends on the film case 2) is pretty common in a lot of films, but it's usually pretty lack-lustre in terms of impact, to say the least. (tho, counter example, if the change is subtle, or done in some way as a "wink", to the audience, the concept can be done quite well) case 3) you're left for a second to bask in the emotions of the characters for a moment. this is not necessarily appropriate for every scene, and there are different possible lengths; but the difference in impact between seeing a quick cut from a change in expressions, to seeing those characters bear it out for a moment - is an important distinction in editing. I was watching the drama bishonure tantei mizuno hagoromo, and despite the comical and bizarre and questionably-chosen? (honestly way more than a bit cheesy) premise of the series, a lot of the weighting, camera angles, scene layout and character direction in the series is phenomenal. which, was surprising (since I was expecting it to all-around be bad and not something to actually watch ahha) but, I believe it's episode 4, there is (*unimportant non-plot spoiler*) a watergun fight, where the heroine detective runs into the fray to the kids' confusion. then explains why she needs to be shot, and they shoot her with the water. they start shooting her, and continue, and it proves ineffectual. what happens then is it jump cuts to the tree. which despite my praising weighting in the series, had really bad weighting. the lingering awkwardness here would have greatly helped the value of the scene. rather than cutting away just when it turned awkward, giving a moment to pause and reflect on that awkwardness (and soak in it, no pun intended), would have been the best choice. tho, in this case, it probably wasn't the work of editing slipping up and missing a good moment, so much as it was likely just plain difficult to coordinate such a large group of kids and the probably could not get the footage, or didn't realise it during the take, etc. in Kimetsu no Yaiba S3, imo there were a few concurrent examples of weighting feeling off (or lacklustre) (coupled with eg lack of demonstrating scale, eg in worldbuilding) and it's likely time constraints/requirements for editing (both deadlines and episode lengths). tho it's not always easy to figure out either (honestly, a lot of blockbuster hollywood movies have attrocious weighting, poor scene cuts, and generic music - and do okay). but basically, these smaller points (worldbuilding, weight, etc) add together to create what seems to be a concensus of "a bit more detachment" this season. which we'll have to wait until next season to properly put into perspective. (& it's important to put these criticisms into perspective, that UFOtable is doing phenomenal animation.) *note, weight can also refer to things like composition of say an image, without the aspect of time. but for this context refers primarily to composition in editing in the fourth dimension. edit: whereever I have used S3, I meant the swordsmith village arc. this might actually better be called S4 but whaatever! too late now ! XD |
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Adnash said: Not scaling between hierarchical ranks, but simply between humans/metal and demons. I mean, especially seeing the demon "hero" emotion. descend2 said: Indeed. It's not like Tanjiro is a weakling, of course. He's still one of the most skilled and talented members of the Corps. His rank is also way higher than someone you'd call as "fodder Demon Slayer Corps member". However, there is a power gap between him and Pillars, and the stronget a Pillar is, the bigger that gap becomes.Why though? It took him 1.5 years to even qualify for the demon slayers. Muichiro the actual prodigy of the series, made hashira in 2 months. Muichirou is the same age as Tanjirou, but even so he's out of reach for Kamado boy. At least as we could have seen in this arc so far. Of course, to some extent there are efforts on this, like Mitsuri being explained to having been abnormal since birth xD likely, the demon marks or breather marks will get some expanded details that will prove important. the pacing of growth from s1-s3 was pretty good, that said in S4 (swordsmith village), we're seeing tanjiro still very injured/recovering from the entame district, and having now taken on a lot of injuries in battle. and at the same time, he seems to be holding his own against a higher upper rank even better than Daki. Even considering the exp boost, this has felt a little strange. tho perhaps not as strange as Genya and Genya's eating habits. xD Kimetsu no Yaiba having characters who will likely, to vaious extents, remain above or beyond the protagonist (e.g. Mugen no Muichiro), is a very good point of praise for the series. |
| The world-building isn't great. The main character and story are cookie cutter battle-shonen. Repetitive scenarios. Some of the comedy just ruins my immersion. That's why I've gave the manga 6/10 and the anime overall a 7/10 so far. |
SAT_KUMAR said: With an underwhelming season underway (compared to previous installments), I believe it's finally time to address certain weaknesses in the Demon Slayer series. In my opinion, the most significant issue lies in its world building. We lack a clear understanding of how the government operates in this world, why they are unaware of demons, and why/how Demon Slayers are concealed from the general public. Furthermore, each new location we encounter merely serves as a backdrop for the next major battle, rather than being fully developed and integrated into the narrative. Note: I welcome a critical analysis of these shortcomings, as this is not intended to be a hate thread. Let's delve into the aspects that could be improved, beyond the argument of being solely carried by animation. You can also check out Strengths of Demon Slayer?? The title of the anime is literally “demon slayer” which is what it focuses on, you can not apply every single aspect of a show as an option for a weakness because it doesnt apply. Of course you have your own opinion and could say “well the show would be better with more development in “THESE “ parts’” but you have what you have and should not compare how it is compared in this context |
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| How eating pink food apparently turns your hair pink, so essentially worldbuilding. What the absolute hell. On a serious note, Entertainment District arc's Upper Moon fight having like 10 asspulls. Not sure I've seen that many deus ex machina in that short of a time ever before. That and literally everything else except production value. But yeah, let's not forget how eating pink food apparently turns your hair pink. |
DisconnectedUser said: is it mentioned anywhere, damn I don't remember that😅But yeah, let's not forget how eating pink food apparently turns your hair pink. |
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