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| So quick question. Are anime reverting back to 1 opening for 24 - 26 episode anime? Cause I know in the 2000s all the way up till about 2012ish, we got one opening every 2 cours (which was a lot of animes entire length) but eventually they started making it so all anime change their opening every cour (about every 13 episodes) I know Demon Slayer kept the same opening for all 25 episodes, but I thought that was just a one off exception. Now it seems like Tokyo Revengers is about to do the same thing. Please don’t tell me we’re reverting back to the dark ages of one opening every 26 episodes :( does anyone know? |
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| How can you still watch this adaption? It literally screams "I'm wasted potential". |
| [quote=lequan15 message=63712257][quote=Tremarl message=63712229] lequan15 said: Tremarl said: Dropped this series. The writing is terrible. Started reading the manga from Ep 12, read the rest of the Bloody Halloween arc and came to the realization that everything in the story serves to perpetuate the plot. Numerous illogical stuff happens, that completely ignores previous interactions and relationships between the main character and the people around him almost as if Takemichi doesn't exist. Takemichi has basically no character development since he decided to standup in the fight club. Honestly, there was such a good build up, its really sad its hampered by the writing. Bro what how is the writing terrible He has no character progression. He is an observer. Certainly he takes on different positions and ends up in different places, but his character itself, his personality it doesn't change in anyway. Takamuchi several arcs in is exactly the same person he was in the Bloody Halloween Arc. You could replace Takamuchi with any generic MC and it the outcome would be the same. There's no internal strife in Takamuchi its just literally "I'm not running" and then "plot armour". Its even worse that the relationships that Takamuchi forms with the other characters within Tomon also get erased and ignored when its convenient for the plot. It is established early on that Takamuchi is someone that Mikey and Draken respect greatly, and also owe a debt to. Yet, when it is convenient for the plot that association gets ignored as if Takamuchi is a stranger. |
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| They showing me Hina death again? full pain This Kisaki dude literally god, without Takemichi nearby the Toman, for sure he controlled Toman pretty easily. Proved with how on this arc, he is the part of the Toman too, i guess. Then, he was a fuckin spiteful person too, got rid of Mikey surrounding people. Even if they were already missing the scene, he still hunted them down, heh? cough Hina & Takemichi's case Thats my initial thought about that dude. So, well, good luck being the head of Toman, Takemichi. At least you already grab your first objective pretty easily. Toman's Captain spot? That's huge, man! |
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| What's the bet Kisaki is the new captain lmao |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| Mikey is a sussy baka |
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| New commander is probably Kisaki, idk why it would be anyone else. |
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Nycro said: How can you still watch this adaption? It literally screams "I'm wasted potential". Meh as an anime only watcher it is fine as a form of entertainment. |
| the contrast between present time and the past :-((( I just want them being happy, playing and bantering at onsen like the teenagers that they are, draken mikey and takemicchi :-( this kisaki guy needs therapy for god's sake. anyways I'm rooting for you takemicchi!! |
| Ay, the Bloody Halloween arc officially started! Might need some time to get used to the new ED, it gave out completely different vibes compared to the old one. |
| Great episode! The new ED looked amazing, I love the visuals in it and the song is a banger. The funeral scene is pretty sad, especially seeing Naoto breakdown like that. And that scene between Takemichi and Hina's mom was really bittersweet. Didn't expect to see a bald Draken, but honestly, it looks good on him. The boys really just waiting outside while Takemichi, Draken and Mikey were goofing around in the bathhouse lmao. Draken with his hair down is drip. Looking forward to the next episode. |
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Tremarl said: Issues with realism: Gangs that rape other people turning up for fist fights and not bringing knives or the like. Naoto being intelligent, but not devising any sort of strategy. There is nothing stopping Takamuchi going back providing information that is impossible to know unless he did time travel (E.G Lottery numbers or w/e) and then using that to dictate events. Naoto is intelligent enough. He only wants to stop his sister getting killed which he only sees as a result of Toman gang warfare. Providing more information than necessary and revealing it in the past can make more changes than can be managed. The oft-cited lottery numbers of the past can result in other people also winning it and altering a big course of history that could skew either way. The whole purpose is to keep the effects of the time travel within certain boundaries. Here, you have already started presuming Takemichi is smart enough to do certain things, like providing the lottery numbers. If he shows that he gets it right that 1 time, he would be harassed for more. That would bring him more grief that his 14 year-old self can handle. If he used the numbers to win the lottery, he would change the timeline in such a way that his 14-year old self may not be able to handle when he jumps back into the future. It could render his future so changed that he may not even bother anymore with Hina. Thus, breaking the reason of his time jumps. It is easy to cite certain things that you would do but not what the character would do based on their setup/makeup and the larger implications of the actions taken. When it comes to writing time travel fiction, the impact of certain actions can have larger effects than some. Sometimes the arrow of time based on the situation and circumstances would move inexorably forward to certain situations, for example - would killing Adolf Hitler after WW1 be effective in preventing WW2? It may not be so since the hardships, hyperinflation, deep recession in Germany after WW1 would have led to someone else rising to take that path instead of Hitler. What makes time travel fiction attractive is the very idea that you can go back to the past to change events but it presents a major problem because the results of those changes may or may not lead to the results that you want to achieve. Some actions may not cascade into significant changes since some other events can have greater influence whereas some small changes could pave the way for cataclysmic changes in the future. There's no way to know which does what. Different people reading it will have different interpretation of what could happen. Anyway that the fiction writer writes a time travel fiction, it will appear to some that it is too perfect in threading a very fine needle in the events it effects but that is one version of the timeline of the numerous timelines that can arise. He/she just chose the specific timeline and events that give the story its momentum to carry the readers through. Tremarl said: Issues with character progression: 0 character progression for Takamuchi subsequent to him deciding "I'm not going to run away" in the fight club scene. Any progression Takamuchi makes within Toman is ignored and forgotten for plot convenience. Takamuchi saves the life of Dragon and Mickey, and also keeps Toman from disbanding and "every knows this". Yet when Kisaki turns up, Mickey completely ignores any advise or warnings that Takamuchi gives, even though Takamuchi warns correctly on many other occassions for pure plot convenience. Zero character progression? There is progression but not big changes in character that are more unrealistic than what the series is showing. Not many people change a lot within a period of a year as substantial as you think in real life. It takes years to do so. Here you junk realiism and expecting the exceptional situation, especially when Takemichi, the character, is set up to be one with below average smarts and have been cowed his whole life - totally lacking in self-esteem. During the course of the manga so far, he has gotten some self-confidence but often with lots of desperation that steels him up for the beating he gets because he knows the alternative he has lived through is not what he wants to have live through again. He wants to save his friends, those of before and that he makes in the timelines arising from his time jumps. Prior to that, he was living a meaningless lonely life. Progression he makes within Toman is ignored for plot convenience? How so? Each step upwards in Toman ranks that he makes is recognised. Up to this episode 13, he isn't even in Toman. However, he has been acknowledged within Toman as the one who saved Draken and prevented Toman from breaking up. His later deeds are also known and recognised. But we're getting ahead here. With regards to Kisaki showing up and Mikey's reaction, While Takemichi is seen to have helped, he is still not in the confidence that he can influence Mikey's decision. And you expect Takemichi to conveniently fully influence Mikey to do whatever Takemichi advises then? Recall the talk and questions that Mikey has for Takemichi at the rooftop of the hospital? There is doubt about Takemichi as to how he knows all the key points and question of "What are you?" - potentially framing him as one who is on the inside of a plot to manipulate Toman. Even Draken can't always convince Mikey and suddenly with all this, you expect Takemichi to be fully influential to sway Mikey? Talk about unrealistic. Tremarl said: Logical flaws: Mickey or any of his confidents either being oblivious or uncaring about Kisaki's past in Moebius and how he split up the group and manipulated people, and set up the fight between Moebius and Toman. When, Tokamachi aquires this information 0 attempt to share this with anyone in Toman. Again for plot convenience. Mickey & Dragon are relatively intelligent and this information is freely available. Kisaki literally manipulating people with an invisible hand, for pure plot convenience.q I admit that there is some plot convenience but it is not beyond the realm that it is unrealistic nor is it illogical. The hand waving "information is freely available" makes the assumption that relevant specific information can easily be plucked from anywhere and everywhere. In reality, relevant specific information has to be searched and the right questions asked to the relevant sources of information. Even then, there is skepticism in not just fully relying on the information received but a need to crosscheck with relevant supporting evidence/information. As to Kisaki's past in Moebius, I have explained above, i.e. What you think as logical flaws is what and how you want the storyline to go but not about it being illogical. Tremarl said: For manga readers, when you find out about Kisaki's actual motivation, it basically destroys the character. The character motivation for Kisaki is so ass week and stupid, that is basically makes the rest of show look dumb. He is probably one of the worst written atagonists in anime/manga history. To you, it is "ass week(sic) and stupid". For Kisaki, Real life can be as strange as and can be stranger than fiction. Not beyond the realms of possibility in real life. Yet, you write it off. Is it because it does not dovetail with what you want? Tremarl said: Literally, causes multiple characters to break character from the rest of the story with his "manipulation" god tier skills. There is no real exlpanation as to why they break character, or what changes occurred, apart from that its convenient for the plot as it creates drama and tension. You have to be more specific but in spoilers if you want to make that declaration within the anime discussion section. Tremarl said: Oh and it gets even better when you find out what happens to Kisaki. What a dumb way to write that. Of all the things that could happen to him. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Tremarl said: The writing is all about "pay offs", and completely forgets the setup. The only strong theme and well written setup is the "guy pulling it from behind the scenes" and the mystery initially surrounding Kisaki. But then the writer fucks up on the "pay off" by literally screaming at the reader how immature the writer is. I'll withhold comment on this aspect until the resolution arrives. This is not right place to discuss something far into the future of the anime timeline. |
| So its back to redemption again for the crybaby hero. And damn the new ED is fayaaa. Baji-san is cool.  |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| I still think it's a bit odd how naoto is also aware of the changes takemichi made during his time travels. To naoto, it's LIKE his sister died twice, but everyone else is unaware of it all, right? So like to hina's mom, she is only aware of hina's NEW death, totally oblivious of the previous way she died because that technically never happened right? I guess it's okay for naoto to be aware of it all since he is the catalyst for takemichi being able to time travel anyway. What I'm saying isn't probably making sense but it doesn't matter, still enjoying this show a lot lol |
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| I honestly don't get it. Why do they keep killing Hina if they obviously know that Takemitchy can go back in time? It's like they're egging him on to screw them over. |
| The new ending is fire, the hina part gave me goosebumps! |
misthistoric said: so did they intentionally cut about baji and kazutora part in draken's convo or will they put it in the next episode cause it was so important in the manga. They did not cut it. It has not happened yet at this point in the manga that the anime has covered so far. |
| Oh my fucking god the ED VISUALS. WHY CANT THE ANIME ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THAT. The visuals were so good. Baji ಥ﹏ಥಥ﹏ಥ I can’t wait for the next episode♡ |
 ꕤ but i’ll probably remember over and over again you were there and everyone else was there — the day we all searched for just one thing ꕤ |
| So this is where Takemitchy's real story to become the head of Toman starts, I'm excited to see what is coming. The new ED slaps and I've heard good things about the next arc. Fingers crossed! |
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| Not much happened this episode, but I'm really looking forward to the next arc. The ED is good. |
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| Okay this episode was fire. First of all love the new ending and edginess. My boy Mikey looks so cool with the flag and in this episode how he stands at the end. He truly is a badass I'm so intrigued to see what happens next. |
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| How is Takemichi 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 this naive after everything he's been through?! Even if he can become the head of Toman that doesn't mean he can protect anyone. Mikey is the head right now and he couldn't protect the people he cares about - being the head of Toman doesn't mean anything against Kisaki. That bathhouse scene made me choke up quite a bit. It kills me to see Mikey, Draken and Takemichi having so much fun together knowing that so far nothing has stopped a terrible future from happening to any of them. Mikey's announcement about the 3rd's new Captain threw me off - guess that plan's already down the drain, huh Take-chan? |
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leongsh said: Tremarl said: Issues with realism: Gangs that rape other people turning up for fist fights and not bringing knives or the like. Naoto being intelligent, but not devising any sort of strategy. There is nothing stopping Takamuchi going back providing information that is impossible to know unless he did time travel (E.G Lottery numbers or w/e) and then using that to dictate events. Naoto is intelligent enough. He only wants to stop his sister getting killed which he only sees as a result of Toman gang warfare. Providing more information than necessary and revealing it in the past can make more changes than can be managed. The oft-cited lottery numbers of the past can result in other people also winning it and altering a big course of history that could skew either way. The whole purpose is to keep the effects of the time travel within certain boundaries. Here, you have already started presuming Takemichi is smart enough to do certain things, like providing the lottery numbers. If he shows that he gets it right that 1 time, he would be harassed for more. That would bring him more grief that his 14 year-old self can handle. If he used the numbers to win the lottery, he would change the timeline in such a way that his 14-year old self may not be able to handle when he jumps back into the future. It could render his future so changed that he may not even bother anymore with Hina. Thus, breaking the reason of his time jumps. It is easy to cite certain things that you would do but not what the character would do based on their setup/makeup and the larger implications of the actions taken. When it comes to writing time travel fiction, the impact of certain actions can have larger effects than some. Sometimes the arrow of time based on the situation and circumstances would move inexorably forward to certain situations, for example - would killing Adolf Hitler after WW1 be effective in preventing WW2? It may not be so since the hardships, hyperinflation, deep recession in Germany after WW1 would have led to someone else rising to take that path instead of Hitler. What makes time travel fiction attractive is the very idea that you can go back to the past to change events but it presents a major problem because the results of those changes may or may not lead to the results that you want to achieve. Some actions may not cascade into significant changes since some other events can have greater influence whereas some small changes could pave the way for cataclysmic changes in the future. There's no way to know which does what. Different people reading it will have different interpretation of what could happen. Anyway that the fiction writer writes a time travel fiction, it will appear to some that it is too perfect in threading a very fine needle in the events it effects but that is one version of the timeline of the numerous timelines that can arise. He/she just chose the specific timeline and events that give the story its momentum to carry the readers through. Resp: The butterfly effect is completely ignored in this whole series. I was giving a simple example of something they could do or might do, when it comes to the power of prior knowledge and heinseit. This series doesn't truly look into time travel the writer just uses it as a gimmick. Tremarl said: Issues with character progression: 0 character progression for Takamuchi subsequent to him deciding "I'm not going to run away" in the fight club scene. Any progression Takamuchi makes within Toman is ignored and forgotten for plot convenience. Takamuchi saves the life of Dragon and Mickey, and also keeps Toman from disbanding and "every knows this". Yet when Kisaki turns up, Mickey completely ignores any advise or warnings that Takamuchi gives, even though Takamuchi warns correctly on many other occassions for pure plot convenience. Zero character progression? There is progression but not big changes in character that are more unrealistic than what the series is showing. Not many people change a lot within a period of a year as substantial as you think in real life. It takes years to do so. Here you junk realiism and expecting the exceptional situation, especially when Takemichi, the character, is set up to be one with below average smarts and have been cowed his whole life - totally lacking in self-esteem. During the course of the manga so far, he has gotten some self-confidence but often with lots of desperation that steels him up for the beating he gets because he knows the alternative he has lived through is not what he wants to have live through again. He wants to save his friends, those of before and that he makes in the timelines arising from his time jumps. Prior to that, he was living a meaningless lonely life. Progression he makes within Toman is ignored for plot convenience? How so? Each step upwards in Toman ranks that he makes is recognised. Up to this episode 13, he isn't even in Toman. However, he has been acknowledged within Toman as the one who saved Draken and prevented Toman from breaking up. His later deeds are also known and recognised. But we're getting ahead here. With regards to Kisaki showing up and Mikey's reaction, While Takemichi is seen to have helped, he is still not in the confidence that he can influence Mikey's decision. And you expect Takemichi to conveniently fully influence Mikey to do whatever Takemichi advises then? Recall the talk and questions that Mikey has for Takemichi at the rooftop of the hospital? There is doubt about Takemichi as to how he knows all the key points and question of "What are you?" - potentially framing him as one who is on the inside of a plot to manipulate Toman. Even Draken can't always convince Mikey and suddenly with all this, you expect Takemichi to be fully influential to sway Mikey? Talk about unrealistic. Resp: Tremarl said: Logical flaws: Mickey or any of his confidents either being oblivious or uncaring about Kisaki's past in Moebius and how he split up the group and manipulated people, and set up the fight between Moebius and Toman. When, Tokamachi aquires this information 0 attempt to share this with anyone in Toman. Again for plot convenience. Mickey & Dragon are relatively intelligent and this information is freely available. Kisaki literally manipulating people with an invisible hand, for pure plot convenience.q I admit that there is some plot convenience but it is not beyond the realm that it is unrealistic nor is it illogical. The hand waving "information is freely available" makes the assumption that relevant specific information can easily be plucked from anywhere and everywhere. In reality, relevant specific information has to be searched and the right questions asked to the relevant sources of information. Even then, there is skepticism in not just fully relying on the information received but a need to crosscheck with relevant supporting evidence/information. As to Kisaki's past in Moebius, I have explained above, i.e. What you think as logical flaws is what and how you want the storyline to go but not about it being illogical. Resp: Tremarl said: For manga readers, when you find out about Kisaki's actual motivation, it basically destroys the character. The character motivation for Kisaki is so ass week and stupid, that is basically makes the rest of show look dumb. He is probably one of the worst written atagonists in anime/manga history. To you, it is "ass week(sic) and stupid". For Kisaki, Real life can be as strange as and can be stranger than fiction. Not beyond the realms of possibility in real life. Yet, you write it off. Is it because it does not dovetail with what you want? Resp: Tremarl said: Literally, causes multiple characters to break character from the rest of the story with his "manipulation" god tier skills. There is no real exlpanation as to why they break character, or what changes occurred, apart from that its convenient for the plot as it creates drama and tension. You have to be more specific but in spoilers if you want to make that declaration within the anime discussion section. Tremarl said: Oh and it gets even better when you find out what happens to Kisaki. What a dumb way to write that. Of all the things that could happen to him. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Tremarl said: The writing is all about "pay offs", and completely forgets the setup. The only strong theme and well written setup is the "guy pulling it from behind the scenes" and the mystery initially surrounding Kisaki. But then the writer fucks up on the "pay off" by literally screaming at the reader how immature the writer is. I'll withhold comment on this aspect until the resolution arrives. This is not right place to discuss something far into the future of the anime timeline. Comments in quote - Spoiler as there are spoilers. |
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Tremarl said: leongsh said: When it comes to writing time travel fiction, the impact of certain actions can have larger effects than some. Sometimes the arrow of time based on the situation and circumstances would move inexorably forward to certain situations, for example - would killing Adolf Hitler after WW1 be effective in preventing WW2? It may not be so since the hardships, hyperinflation, deep recession in Germany after WW1 would have led to someone else rising to take that path instead of Hitler. What makes time travel fiction attractive is the very idea that you can go back to the past to change events but it presents a major problem because the results of those changes may or may not lead to the results that you want to achieve. Some actions may not cascade into significant changes since some other events can have greater influence whereas some small changes could pave the way for cataclysmic changes in the future. There's no way to know which does what. Different people reading it will have different interpretation of what could happen. Anyway that the fiction writer writes a time travel fiction, it will appear to some that it is too perfect in threading a very fine needle in the events it effects but that is one version of the timeline of the numerous timelines that can arise. He/she just chose the specific timeline and events that give the story its momentum to carry the readers through. Resp: The butterfly effect is completely ignored in this whole series. I was giving a simple example of something they could do or might do, when it comes to the power of prior knowledge and heinseit. This series doesn't truly look into time travel the writer just uses it as a gimmick. About the butterfly effect on time travel: https://www.sciencealert.com/time-travel-through-a-quantum-world-has-nothing-to-fear-from-the-butterfly-effect Well, the current reality is that butterfly effect doesn't exist based on time travel simulations done. Hence, I did not bring up butterfly effect. That said, it does not mean changes made to the past do not effect what will happen in the future. Tremarl said: leongsh said: Progression he makes within Toman is ignored for plot convenience? How so? Each step upwards in Toman ranks that he makes is recognised. Up to this episode 13, he isn't even in Toman. However, he has been acknowledged within Toman as the one who saved Draken and prevented Toman from breaking up. His later deeds are also known and recognised. But we're getting ahead here. With regards to Kisaki showing up and Mikey's reaction, While Takemichi is seen to have helped, he is still not in the confidence that he can influence Mikey's decision. And you expect Takemichi to conveniently fully influence Mikey to do whatever Takemichi advises then? Recall the talk and questions that Mikey has for Takemichi at the rooftop of the hospital? There is doubt about Takemichi as to how he knows all the key points and question of "What are you?" - potentially framing him as one who is on the inside of a plot to manipulate Toman. Even Draken can't always convince Mikey and suddenly with all this, you expect Takemichi to be fully influential to sway Mikey? Talk about unrealistic. Resp: You're making analysis from things that you are getting wrong from what happened in the manga. Matters that are wrongly sequenced and do not exist. Tremarl said: leongsh said: I admit that there is some plot convenience but it is not beyond the realm that it is unrealistic nor is it illogical. The hand waving "information is freely available" makes the assumption that relevant specific information can easily be plucked from anywhere and everywhere. In reality, relevant specific information has to be searched and the right questions asked to the relevant sources of information. Even then, there is skepticism in not just fully relying on the information received but a need to crosscheck with relevant supporting evidence/information. As to Kisaki's past in Moebius, I have explained above, i.e. What you think as logical flaws is what and how you want the storyline to go but not about it being illogical. Resp: Tremarl said: leongsh said: To you, it is "ass week(sic) and stupid". For Kisaki, Real life can be as strange as and can be stranger than fiction. Not beyond the realms of possibility in real life. Yet, you write it off. Is it because it does not dovetail with what you want? Resp: |
| Damn, that was a great episode. Takemichi somehow always finds himself set up in a really weird place when he time travels. I was told by somehow that his time travelling doesn't work how the anime makes it seem, but from this time travel I can say that Takemichi is willingly able to use the ability. Very excited to see how this new arc where Takemichi is a big bad boss turns out. |
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| How can episode 13 thread have so many comments from beyond this point it's like there's no place to talk about it. If it's Kisaki already this will become interesting. |
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| Great episode as usual. I love how things are getting more and more complicated but I wonder what did draken do in this timeline to get such sentence??? |
| Waiting for the stone ocean 3 anime |
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