abystoma2 said: SwordBreaker28 said: Well I been a long time fan I even have the novels but I can speak for my self and i´m not disappointed sure it may not be like the original but if I wan´t the original I bloody watch the original I mean it´s that bloody hard is it to go back and watch the original. Imagine if we could get something with same atmosphere and at least similar design as original, but with upgraded HD modern animation. Well this show is proboly meant for new comers that wanna get in to the series like and introduction and not old farts like us. sure I enjoy it but that´s me But then why not ask them to do a remake with morden animation if they have the budget to do 110 episodes or the will. |
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Oh_Rusty_Nail said: There are genuine complaints to be made and have been made all the time even in this very thread. But most of the time they are ignored and "the fanbase" is being made into an elitist strawman that just hates everything new. The problem lies in most people rely sound snobby with all there criticisms well I be damn if you know how anime shall be made remake the shit your self is all I can think of. Yes the original rely great and cant stand for it self but I like this reboot im intrigued on how they will do it with that 12 episodes ? I say people should try to say what they dislike with out the need to sound like they are some bloody experts on how anime is made and here is an idea why not take it with the creators like tell them what you don´t like about it. Criticism is supposed to be towards the creator how ells should they maybe better them self when every one complaining on a forum about it. And I will tell you what allot of other people told me when I disliked something with eve online maybe the game is not for you so play something else. So yeah maybe the anime is not for you go watch something you like instead no one is stopping you. |
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RobinTheKing said: So, you're telling me that [img]https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/images/characters/15/150579.jpg[img] this guy looks better in the old version? yes!!! i mean look at his hair, don't you just want to twirl it?  |
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RyuuSasakura12 said: EratiK said: Pretty sure the main reason is the bishounen character design. I'm pretty sure the old one has a lot of bishounen too but this time is in somewhat high def. The OVA is plenty bishounen. It's just 80's/early 90's bishounen style. Just look at Reinhardt, Julian and Kircheis. |
SwordBreaker28 said: Oh_Rusty_Nail said: There are genuine complaints to be made and have been made all the time even in this very thread. But most of the time they are ignored and "the fanbase" is being made into an elitist strawman that just hates everything new. The problem lies in most people rely sound snobby with all there criticisms well I be damn if you know how anime shall be made remake the shit your self is all I can think of. Yes the original rely great and cant stand for it self but I like this reboot im intrigued on how they will do it with that 12 episodes ? I say people should try to say what they dislike with out the need to sound like they are some bloody experts on how anime is made and here is an idea why not take it with the creators like tell them what you don´t like about it. Criticism is supposed to be towards the creator how ells should they maybe better them self when every one complaining on a forum about it. And I will tell you what allot of other people told me when I disliked something with eve online maybe the game is not for you so play something else. So yeah maybe the anime is not for you go watch something you like instead no one is stopping you. People are free to make criticism. Equaling criticism with hate is childish. So what if some people sound snobby? Why do people focus only on those and ignore people who voiced good critique in a civilized manner? There is no attempt at coming to an understanding in these threads. Just people being snarky and dismissive. Nature of the internet I guess. For example, the argument that the designs are too bishonen is dismissed because "the old characters were also bishonen". Really? Sure, Reinhard and Kircheis were. But what about the old Oberstein and Cazzelnu or even Yang? I bet this argument will be dismissed as well till the end of the series. |
Oh_Rusty_Nail said: SwordBreaker28 said: The problem lies in most people rely sound snobby with all there criticisms well I be damn if you know how anime shall be made remake the shit your self is all I can think of. Yes the original rely great and cant stand for it self but I like this reboot im intrigued on how they will do it with that 12 episodes ? I say people should try to say what they dislike with out the need to sound like they are some bloody experts on how anime is made and here is an idea why not take it with the creators like tell them what you don´t like about it. Criticism is supposed to be towards the creator how ells should they maybe better them self when every one complaining on a forum about it. And I will tell you what allot of other people told me when I disliked something with eve online maybe the game is not for you so play something else. So yeah maybe the anime is not for you go watch something you like instead no one is stopping you. People are free to make criticism. Equaling criticism with hate is childish. So what if some people sound snobby? Why do people focus only on those and ignore people who voiced good critique in a civilized manner? There is no attempt at coming to an understanding in these threads. Just people being snarky and dismissive. Nature of the internet I guess. For example, the argument that the designs are too bishonen is dismissed because "the old characters were also bishonen". Really? Sure, Reinhard and Kircheis were. But what about the old Oberstein and Cazzelnu or even Yang? I bet this argument will be dismissed as well till the end of the series. Yes people should be free to criticism but what the hell are we supposed to do about it ? it´s like yeah sure fine you don´t like it what the hell do you wan´t me to do about it ? Like why should I give a damn about something I can change I hear ya loud and clear but maybe take that criticism to the ones who need it. Talking about childish behavior I can say the same about moaning about designs are too bishonen well you have 2 options to watch it or not to watch it. Fine you did not like it well there are some people who does let them watch it if they want. But mostly the child behavior comes in the from of people who hate it keeps nagging about it like they are trying to change peoples mind I hate it therefor you should hate it. Like This topic I saw some say like here is why I think you should not watch it. Well I can bloody think for my self let me watch and judge if it´s something I like. Sure do a review that is not only about you hating it and why people should not watch it say this is what I like and dislike I would recommend watch an episode and judge for your self. So just because you and few other comes with valid criticism does not mean some haters are not childish. Also what´s the big deal if it is a bit bishonen styled are you afraid you will turn gay if you watch it ? I mean how mature would I sound if I complained I hate Attack on titans because the style is ugly and reminds me of ren and stimpy and I don´t like that style? It´s sound more like something my daughter would say I don´t wanna watch this is looks to childish (like 1-2 year old childish) and shes 5. |
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EratiK said: Pretty sure the main reason is the bishounen character design. Even though the old character designs are clearly bishounen too? lol I don't get the fans of LOGH. It's not a remake of the dull looking OVA with tons of memeworthy dialogue, it's a new adaptation of the novel. They even had fu*king sparkles and shi* to emphasize the prettiness and fabulousness. |
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zyke said: Deus said: What's the issue? If your precious old OVA is superior (and you know it even before this new adaptation starts airing), what's the issue with new adaptation's existence? If you don't like it, leave it and keep rewatching old one for decades to come. It's not like this will harm anything, plus CGI looks great and designs are fine. Ships look good too. Basically its production quality is great, so just wait and see before getting triggered over a piece of fiction getting new anime adaptation. Also, use novels for comparison, not the old series. Cgi ships are just boring and characters look quite gay. Ironic, considering the old series had a really bland and boring color scheme and the characters also looked ''quite gay''. |
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soredemoii said: Oh_Rusty_Nail said: Why do people focus only on those and ignore people who voiced good critique in a civilized manner? Maybe the design, the music, the script etc. will flow great together even for them as the series goes on, that is, if they stop for a second and breathe the air instead of laying out rushed and unwarranted claims. I can agree with that. Despite some of my grievances there were things I enjoyed in the first episode. The mini-prologue with the narrator was great and I like how they showed the scale of the ships compared to the people and buildings on the planet. I also enjoyed the conversations where there was no music. The silence fits the space setting imo. SwordBreaker28 said: Oh_Rusty_Nail said: People are free to make criticism. Equaling criticism with hate is childish. So what if some people sound snobby? Why do people focus only on those and ignore people who voiced good critique in a civilized manner? There is no attempt at coming to an understanding in these threads. Just people being snarky and dismissive. Nature of the internet I guess. For example, the argument that the designs are too bishonen is dismissed because "the old characters were also bishonen". Really? Sure, Reinhard and Kircheis were. But what about the old Oberstein and Cazzelnu or even Yang? I bet this argument will be dismissed as well till the end of the series. Also what´s the big deal if it is a bit bishonen styled are you afraid you will turn gay if you watch it ? I mean how mature would I sound if I complained I hate Attack on titans because the style is ugly and reminds me of ren and stimpy and I don´t like that style? It´s sound more like something my daughter would say I don´t wanna watch this is looks to childish (like 1-2 year old childish) and shes 5. Dude, Gravitation was one of my first anime I have seen and I loved it. So dont try to play that homophobia card. Different types of stories require different artstyles. Digibro made good video about it, talking specifically about Logh OVA. I recommend watching it. |
That's...not what he looks like in the new version. This is.   As somebody who has seen neither the original nor the OVAs (and never plans to - the character designs and animation are too 80s for me), this seems like a pretty good first episode. It's piqued my interest in the series and I'm planning on watching all 12 episodes based solely on its strength. Edit: I will say the CGI is a bit jarring, though not so much as to detract from my enjoyment |
this guy looks better in the old version?Cal_RApr 4, 2018 6:35 AM
Oh_Rusty_Nail said: soredemoii said: Maybe the design, the music, the script etc. will flow great together even for them as the series goes on, that is, if they stop for a second and breathe the air instead of laying out rushed and unwarranted claims. I can agree with that. Despite some of my grievances there were things I enjoyed in the first episode. The mini-prologue with the narrator was great and I like how they showed the scale of the ships compared to the people and buildings on the planet. I also enjoyed the conversations where there was no music. The silence fits the space setting imo. SwordBreaker28 said: Also what´s the big deal if it is a bit bishonen styled are you afraid you will turn gay if you watch it ? I mean how mature would I sound if I complained I hate Attack on titans because the style is ugly and reminds me of ren and stimpy and I don´t like that style? It´s sound more like something my daughter would say I don´t wanna watch this is looks to childish (like 1-2 year old childish) and shes 5. Dude, Gravitation was one of my first anime I have seen and I loved it. So dont try to play that homophobia card. Different types of stories require different artstyles. Digibro made good video about it, talking specifically about Logh OVA. I recommend watching it. Why should I watch it I seen the orginal series I read the novel this is a reboot if it has a different design why should it batter for the 100000th time it is not the original it´s a fucking reboot why are people so gunho on the OAV it´s a reboot the reboot will always be different just like all the bloody reboot on spiderman. I shall tell you the biggest reason why many of us who like it are pissed on all you others it´s because guys just are nitpicking it´s like your way way to sensitive and don´t seam to grasp the concept of reboot and sitting on a forum and critic and nit pick on everything is like why ? There is a reason why you can make your own reviews on this site do that. And if you feel you wanna share your hate over it do that in private with other who hate it but no we must tell the world why we hate it. To be honest even if your criticism is valid people sound more like people complaining about it. I say check the forum have I made A single topic about why I hate Attack in titans and sword art ? nope I may have mention im not a fan but I don´t make a whole forum topic about it because that´s my opinion no need to tell every one I hate attack on titan and this is why you should not watch it I could do a review if I wanted but I don´t because first I did not like it and like a normal human I quit after giving it a chance. Sure you can start a topic talking about it make a bloody discussion about this is bad this is good and what not but some people seam just to spew hate and anger No it´s not like the original and that makes me angry well fucking go watch the original. And last it´s a Reboot just like Spider man has a new actor new origin story this show will have changes the creators want´s to make and some reboots has a different creator meaning he has a different vision and if it´s not what you like then don´t watch it so simple. People may voice there opinion but it´s a bloody difference to voice once opinion and complain and bitch. Now I think we will end this discussion because like all fucking humans on this planet people think different and some humans can´t live with that. So I will leave it at this and I say to every one go make a review if you wanna show that your mature. Fighting on a forum who is right and wrong that´s childish no one is right or wrong here some people like it some don´t just live with it. Also here is something shocking maybe the reboot with the new style is meant not for old school fans but maybe for a new audience maybe to get new and other people in to the series maybe that did not make this reboot for the old fans sake because. |
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AiHikari said: Reinhard looks fine. I love Yang Wen-li's design but hate Ruenthal's the most. Overall I dont think its that big of a deal. And why is the art so bad compared to the original. @@ And clarifying by art I mean the character designs. And more especifically the main characters, like Reinhard. zyke said: Having handsome characters means they look gay? I thought they looked really cool aside from Brunhild. Deus said: What's the issue? If your precious old OVA is superior (and you know it even before this new adaptation starts airing), what's the issue with new adaptation's existence? If you don't like it, leave it and keep rewatching old one for decades to come. It's not like this will harm anything, plus CGI looks great and designs are fine. Ships look good too. Basically its production quality is great, so just wait and see before getting triggered over a piece of fiction getting new anime adaptation. Also, use novels for comparison, not the old series. Cgi ships are just boring and characters look quite gay. AvidAnimeViewer said: You have to remember the level of violence theyre allowed to show on TV is limited which must why theyre opting for movies for when things pick up.Temujin26S said: Yeah but the difference is those episodes of LOTG 1997 were guaranteed back then, the director in charge of the remake said it would depend on the sales of the 2018 show and movies if they continue adapting the novels. Thats why I said this type of new model doesn't really work well with long running series adaptions most eventually get left in limbo with titles that are not mainstream popular. Of course it's gonna compared it inevitable they are both adaptations of the same novel and it's a remake too they gonna be compared. That begs the question if it's a timeless classic and adapted the novel accurately and expanding it further why make remake another that did it perfectly. Now if the original anime wasn't faithful to source material missed ton of information and plot points then you would have a point. This new first episode is adapting the first prequel movie, which is already different from the original. This new season will probably adapt the prequel movies and the first novel. Which is bad in terms of content since the beginning of LOTGH is probably the slowest part. But at the same time it already has a well-established fanbase, and of all the remakes coming out this season this one is probably the most anticipated. People are gonna hate this show regardless of how good/bad it is, but I'm fairly certain it will get renewed for another season. I agree the 12-episode release hurts this show, but it's a good way to keep high quality. And if they get a positive response by testing the waters this season, maybe the next series will be 24-26 episodes long like with BNHA. |
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Air-117 said: Im all in for gay shit when im looking for it, but i didnt start watching show about space, politics and war only to have handsome guys shoved at my face. More mundane character design was better. Its like watching weather forecasting only to have half naked women telling how moist it is.AiHikari said: Reinhard looks fine. I love Yang Wen-li's design but hate Ruenthal's the most. Overall I dont think its that big of a deal. Having handsome characters means they look gay? I thought they looked really cool aside from Brunhild. And why is the art so bad compared to the original. @@ And clarifying by art I mean the character designs. And more especifically the main characters, like Reinhard. AvidAnimeViewer said: You have to remember the level of violence theyre allowed to show on TV is limited which must why theyre opting for movies for when things pick up.This new first episode is adapting the first prequel movie, which is already different from the original. This new season will probably adapt the prequel movies and the first novel. Which is bad in terms of content since the beginning of LOTGH is probably the slowest part. But at the same time it already has a well-established fanbase, and of all the remakes coming out this season this one is probably the most anticipated. People are gonna hate this show regardless of how good/bad it is, but I'm fairly certain it will get renewed for another season. I agree the 12-episode release hurts this show, but it's a good way to keep high quality. And if they get a positive response by testing the waters this season, maybe the next series will be 24-26 episodes long like with BNHA. |
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Temujin26S said: AvidAnimeViewer said: This new first episode is adapting the first prequel movie, which is already different from the original. This new season will probably adapt the prequel movies and the first novel. Which is bad in terms of content since the beginning of LOTGH is probably the slowest part. But at the same time it already has a well-established fanbase, and of all the remakes coming out this season this one is probably the most anticipated. People are gonna hate this show regardless of how good/bad it is, but I'm fairly certain it will get renewed for another season. I agree the 12-episode release hurts this show, but it's a good way to keep high quality. And if they get a positive response by testing the waters this season, maybe the next series will be 24-26 episodes long like with BNHA. Your missed my point after 2018 tv show, they adapting the rest of the first novel content with three movies. There's no guarantee there's be more material adapted after this yes LOTH has it's dedicated fanbase but it's not everybody's cup tea. Actually the movies are going to be the "second season", with 3 films of 4 episodes each. So there will be more material adapted, but those films are coming out in 2019. That's why I was saying the season airing now is more important for establishing a fanbase. And yes, LOTGH isn't for everyone, but it's vastly different from what's the current trend now, and people do want to see something different. It wasn't just the heavy, sci-fi fans in Japan who bought the OVAs back in the day. The novel series, the prequel movies, and side-stories were all well-received. As long as they don't fuck up this new one, it should draw in new audience members as well. |
| Imagine this. If the characters of the old OVA's ever saw this new adaptation, they'd all be pretty impressed at how it looks now. Yang and Reinhard will be totally cool with this. |
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| I just watched the first episode and I'm really surprised with all the hate. Yes, I prefer the old designs, but i care more about a story than I do with the presentation and I think this version compared to when I viewed the first episode of the older series awhile back, this version so far, in my opinion, presented itself a lot more better. Most fan bases will be like this unfortunately for reboots. There's always some sort of controversies. But look on the bright side, the new figures stick to their roots. |
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Temujin26S said: AvidAnimeViewer said: Actually the movies are going to be the "second season", with 3 films of 4 episodes each. So there will be more material adapted, but those films are coming out in 2019. That's why I was saying the season airing now is more important for establishing a fanbase. And yes, LOTGH isn't for everyone, but it's vastly different from what's the current trend now, and people do want to see something different. It wasn't just the heavy, sci-fi fans in Japan who bought the OVAs back in the day. The novel series, the prequel movies, and side-stories were all well-received. As long as they don't fuck up this new one, it should draw in new audience members as well. Your still not getting my point the 2018 series and movies are adapting the first novel, anything being adapted after that will depend on the how well it does sales wise. Popularity doesn't necessarily translate to sales and the anime market is much different than it used to be. You think people want something different but the market showing something completely different. I haven't seen anywhere that the movies are finishing adapting the first novel, where are you getting this? I guess it makes sense since it'd take like 7-8 episodes just to re-adapt the prequel movies, but then it feels like the movies would be getting into the second book as well, which they might. And in regards to the anime market, I don't know what other merch LOTGH will be selling, but I assume it just won't be dependent on BD/DVD sales. Idk how much needs to be sold to constitute another series being made, but they have until 2020 to amass money and know whether or not it's worth it for another season. And if this series is good, I believe it should make that money back if not profit. The original LOTGH was also going against what was popular at the time, but it managed to be successful. Also, what's popular now (idol and other multimedia projects/anime) rake in insane amounts of money. They're the minority and not good comparisons for the rest of the majority in terms of sales. |
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Ahegyao said: Imagine this. If the characters of the old OVA's ever saw this new adaptation, they'd all be pretty impressed at how it looks now. Yang and Reinhard will be totally cool with this. Dont know about Reinhardt, but Yang would totally grab himself a chair, put his legs on the table, drink a cup of nice tea with a shot of rum in it and chill while watching it. |
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Temujin26S said: AvidAnimeViewer said: I haven't seen anywhere that the movies are finishing adapting the first novel, where are you getting this? I guess it makes sense since it'd take like 7-8 episodes just to re-adapt the prequel movies, but then it feels like the movies would be getting into the second book as well, which they might. And in regards to the anime market, I don't know what other merch LOTGH will be selling, but I assume it just won't be dependent on BD/DVD sales. Idk how much needs to be sold to constitute another series being made, but they have until 2020 to amass money and know whether or not it's worth it for another season. And if this series is good, I believe it should make that money back if not profit. The original LOTGH was also going against what was popular at the time, but it managed to be successful. Also, what's popular now (idol and other multimedia projects/anime) rake in insane amounts of money. They're the minority and not good comparisons for the rest of the majority in terms of sales. From what I read somewhere that seems to be the plan, plus these are not manga chapters being adapted it's novels which contain heavy material. Yeah your right it won't probably rely on just bluray sales, I have no doubt this will be good (this season) whether that will translate to enough sales to justify another season we have to wait and see especially the way the anime market is. Only the first episode has come out so it's too early to make predictions on how well it'll do, or if it's any good. I'm not even expecting it to be great, but I would love to be pleasantly surprised. |
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QWERTYFish25 said: the plan is for a cour per novelI 12 episode adaptation of what was a 110 series not including OVAs? |
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SenpaiJay98 said: QWERTYFish25 said: the plan is for a cour per novelI 12 episode adaptation of what was a 110 series not including OVAs? Ah, ok. I haven't watched the original but perhaps I'll take a shot at it. |
Oh_Rusty_Nail said: There are genuine complaints to be made and have been made all the time even in this very thread. But most of the time they are ignored and "the fanbase" is being made into an elitist strawman that just hates everything new. Farabeuf said: I'm actually seeing more of a "bash the elitists" bandwagon than a "hater bandwagon" for this show. Just look at the state of this thread... This. It's getting very tiring seeing people come here and call the community elitist when most have solid reasons for disliking the new adaptation. I have no objections if new fans come as a result. I will still give this a chance but I find the character designs bad. Yes, real bad. Not bad because it is new and different. It's new and different in a bad way. It matters just as how Berserk mattered when it had lazy CGI. I'm hoping everything else carries it. |
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