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Comander-07 said: It's an issue in this battle royale because Goku wants to fight as much guys as possible but he still wants to conserve a lot of stamina to go full out against Jiren when the time comes.And by now neither are really an issue like back then with the "ultimate" SSJ form of trunks or the SSJ3 consuming more energy then goku could gather vs Boo. Comander-07 said: He doesn't need the ritual again since he absorbed the form into himself. The problem I have with this episode in particular is how he just used SSG (Red) without the ritual randomly. Comander-07 said: He didn't use it in the previous arcs because he developed a stronger form SSGSS aka. Super saiyan Blue. He is using it now because he wants to fight Dyspo but also wants to conserve stamina. He can't use base or ssj1 or 2 instead since Dyspo is obviously ssj god level and his speed makes him dangerous. Dyspo is one of the strongest pride troopers but is below Toppo and Jiren. Ssj God is the best main form to use against him with Blue just for the jab.I could take the "he gained the ability after the ritual" explanation, but why would he only use it now. Comander-07 said: He only uses Blue in the Battle Royal as a quick finisher not a main fighting form. He could use red as a finisher against the weak opponents as well but it wouldn't really matter. He uses base and ssj as his main fighting form in the battle royale with blue as the finisher while in the fight with Dyspo ssjgod is taking the place of base or ssj. The reason is because Goku cannot stand a chance against Dyspo in only base or ssj.In the entire tournament he fought against weaker opponents, lowering he strength like he always does to match his enemy and to reserve stamina and ki, but why would he use SSJ Blue randomly all the time and not SSG Red. If its the same red as vs Beerus then it should literally onehit every opponent he faced so far. Comander-07 said: Zeno is not a fighter he is just an op god while all the angels are martial artists so that's why Magarita could follow the fight (not surprising since their father the Grand Priest is one of the strongest fighters in the multiverse). Whis had previously mentioned how Zeno isn't a fighter.I just cant imagine Zeno chan would not be able to see the fight because its too fast. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Comander-07 said: It's an issue in this battle royale because Goku wants to fight as much guys as possible but he still wants to conserve a lot of stamina to go full out against Jiren when the time comes.And by now neither are really an issue like back then with the "ultimate" SSJ form of trunks or the SSJ3 consuming more energy then goku could gather vs Boo. No its not an issue. Dragonball Super asspulls everything anyway. Goku would not need to fight filler characters without any special ability if it was a real issue. Goku would not waste stamina in SSG Blue if it would be any kind of problematic. Its just another garbage comment made in Super which tried to add some thoughts. If stamina would be an issue, he would not overkill opponents with blue. DrGeroCreation said: Comander-07 said: He doesn't need the ritual again since he absorbed the form into himself. The problem I have with this episode in particular is how he just used SSG (Red) without the ritual randomly. like I said 1 line later I could live with that explanation, but never using it before looks like another asspull. DrGeroCreation said: Comander-07 said: He didn't use it in the previous arcs because he developed a stronger form SSGSS aka. Super saiyan Blue. He is using it now because he wants to fight Dyspo but also wants to conserve stamina. He can't use base or ssj1 or 2 instead since Dyspo is obviously ssj god level and his speed makes him dangerous. Dyspo is one of the strongest pride troopers but is below Toppo and Jiren. Ssj God is the best main form to use against him with Blue just for the jab.I could take the "he gained the ability after the ritual" explanation, but why would he only use it now. Dyspo is nowhere near God level. He has exactly 1 strong skill, the ability to increase his speed to absurd highs, but he cant hold that very long as seen vs hit, if he does not react fast enough he is just normal fast. Despite garbage power scaling, if SSG would be the best form to use, he would use it. Not just asspull it for 1 minute. DrGeroCreation said: Comander-07 said: He only uses Blue in the Battle Royal as a quick finisher not a main fighting form. He could use red as a finisher against the weak opponents as well but it wouldn't really matter. He uses base and ssj as his main fighting form in the battle royale with blue as the finisher while in the fight with Dyspo ssjgod is taking the place of base or ssj. The reason is because Goku cannot stand a chance against Dyspo in only base or ssj.In the entire tournament he fought against weaker opponents, lowering he strength like he always does to match his enemy and to reserve stamina and ki, but why would he use SSJ Blue randomly all the time and not SSG Red. If its the same red as vs Beerus then it should literally onehit every opponent he faced so far. Yes exactly. He overkills opponents with Blue. Again - if stamina would be any issue he would NOT do that. Remember how insanely powerful SSG was in the fight with beerus? How the structure of the universe could take damage? Everything in the battle royal is filler except for certain characters - Hit (who is sort of a friend of Goku by now, can get better at a very fast rate and obviously has his time skip ability on top of just beeing strong), Toppo (who was sort of strong against Goku in the pre tournament), Jiren (who is portrayed as stronger), maybe Kale. Some others had potential, some where totally wasted (like that dog guy). You could add dyspo because his good base and insane speed. Everyone else just serves as cannonfodder, cannonfodder for the cannonfodder, or annyoing character who prevents cannonfodder from falling off. We still have to see Gohans full strength, Vegeta and Frieza. So no, he did not need Blue to finish off opponents. And that also includes stamina beeing a plot tool. Kale went from LSSJ to sleep to LSSJ and total control of LSSJ in a total of like 5 minutes. Stamina does not work like that. DrGeroCreation said: Comander-07 said: Zeno is not a fighter he is just an op god while all the angels are martial artists so that's why Magarita could follow the fight (not surprising since their father the Grand Priest is one of the strongest fighters in the multiverse). Whis had previously mentioned how Zeno isn't a fighter.I just cant imagine Zeno chan would not be able to see the fight because its too fast. Yes Zeno is not a fighter, however he is portrayed as omnipotent. Goku was not even using Kaioken at full strength. basic watching skills are not tied to beeing a fighter, an omnipotent god or a random guy. Its indeed often used in Dragonball to display the difference in strength between characters, but this is omnipotent god above gods Zeno. You just dont add garbage like that. It would implay they could sneak attack him. again he is an almighty god. Just no. |
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| That was a really cool episode. Seeing Hit fight again was awesome. At the start he really struggled with the speed of Dyspo. But his ability to get stronger during the fight is crazy. We saw that at his last fight with Goku. Pretty clever how he tricked Dyspo. Normally Dyspo would be out but his friend of universe 11 helped him in the last second. Like someone said, when Goku showed up in SSG and made a team with Hit was like a dream :D I didn't expect Goku to be able to switch his forms so fast, that shows that he also got stronger. I think we aren't far away from seeing Jiren and Toppo fight. Next episode Muten Roshi will get a lot of screentime which is nice. Let's see what he will show us. |
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| @Comander-07 . LOL him using ssjgod here is not an asspull. It was never stated he can't use it again. Non of these characters are filler characters. He isn't wasting stamina since he isn't using Blue as his main fighting form against weak opponents. He would be wasting stamina if he stayed in Blue and only fought every opponent in the tournament in Blue. He hasn't been overkilling any opponents with Blue. .It isn't, you need to look up the definition of asspull. Goku didn't use ssj3 to fight Frieza in ROF or in the universal tournament arc so does that mean him using it while testing Trunks in Black arc makes super saiyan 3 an asspull? .He has to be God level to be able to fight Hit like that. If he was just fast that wouldn't mean he is strong enough to bruise up Hit like that. If he wasn't god level then Goku would have just fought him in super saiyan and reserve Blue for the easy finisher. The fact that he is last three of Universe 11 shows that he is strong just not on Jiren and Toppo's level. Jiren>Toppo> Dyspo (Dyspo is probably faster than Toppo though). Yes he does move super fast but not constantly but to be able to go against Hit he needs power along with that speed. Oh My God not everything is powerscaling, powerscaling, powerscaling. SSG is the best form specifically for this fight not every fight. SSG is necessary in this fight because Dyspo is around that level. Goku CANNOT beat him in base or supersaiyan. . He is not overkilling but briefly uses it as a finisher when fighting weaker opponents. If he stayed in it to fight every opponent then that would be a problem. Goku is basically running a race but doesn't want to overexert himself until the final stretch. While running a long race even though you would try to keep a steady pace you can speed up at different intervals but you would tire your self out if you began at full speed at the start and continued running as fast as that throughout the race. Okay you are just randomly bitching here now. Goku isn't shaking the universe here because he learned to control ssjgod's power. It's no different how attacks in ssj form can be controlled to not blow up the planet like Vegeta's final flash against Cell in DBZ. No, nothing in the battle royale is filler, just because every fighter isn't god level doesn't make them filler. In a ring out battle royale weak characters are going to be ringed out. Yes we still have to see Gohan , Vegeta and Frieza at full power but this battle royale isn't about muh powerlevel herp derp it's about lasting the longest in the ring. Kale has nothing to do with Goku or super saiyan god so bringing her up is irrelevant. To me she just calmed down while maintaining the power of the form which has nothing to do with stamina anyway. Being omnipotent doesn't give you super eyes to see everything in slow mo. Yes it is since Dragon Ball only fighters could follow high speed opponents, the normal spectators couldn't keep up. Zeno could probably be sneak attacked but I doubt there is anyone that can do damage to him. Going by that it makes sense why he has guards although I doubt he needs them. |
DrGeroCreationAug 20, 2017 5:41 PM
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She saw another form... And it's something good. I don't blame her if she sticks with Gokou til she learns that shit.  Being able to switch to two powerful forms back and forth. |
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jeffu said: probably the worst tournament ep so far everything seemed out of place akward stalling between fighting goku flip flopping between god-blue and still can't eliminate opponent Hit and dyspo change of power lvls out of nowhere Stalling was ok, not akward. Goku was vs dyspo which had somewhat of an annoying ability but he would have gotten used to it soon but hit finished him. Change of power lvls? What do you mean? It was all fine |
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| So Gokou can switch gears to adapt to the fight, big freaking deal! I don't understand the level of how close minded people these days. He had those forms anyways and it was NEVER stated he could never use god "red" again. |
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The10tailedwolf said: In this context, they are clearly referring to "super saiyan [BLUE]". I love how people are struggling to grasp this -__- Later on in the episode while Goku is switching back and forth from Red to Blue to Red, Whis AGAIN says: "He even changed to Blue for an instant when attacking and maximized his speed and power." There would be no need for Goku to do this, if one SSJ form was in fact BOTH stronger and faster than the other. He's only using Red because of Dyspo's speed, there is no other reason. He went SSJG (Red) to no use too much stamina, a form faster than SSJ but still slower than SSJG (Blue), and then when he goes SSJG(Blue) his power AND his SPEED are at the max level. So Whis sentence makes sense |
| Wow. An actually good episode of DBS and all it took was the sun being blotted out of the sky. I wonder what kind of amazing quality we'll get once hell freezes over. |
| Lmao, they took Toyatoro's stratagem that he came up with for Vegeta (and him only) which was introduced many months ago, and gave it entirely to Goku. Sasuga Toei with that Vegeta shaft. And toppest of keks if Dyspo is the first character to achieve relativistic Dyspo combat, implying that they haven't been FTL since fucking Buu Saga. |
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ziggy_Z said: Lmao, they took Toyatoro's stratagem that he came up with for Vegeta (and him only) which was introduced many months ago, and gave it entirely to Goku. Sasuga Toei with that Vegeta shaft. And toppest of keks if Dyspo is the first character to achieve relativistic Dyspo combat, implying that they haven't been FTL since fucking Buu Saga. I think you misunderstood that part, They are on par with his Speed or above his speed, but Dyspo Ability can increase his Current speed a thousands of times for a brief instant which is what was giving them a bit of trouble. If Dyspo FTL Speed was enough to be faster than them He wouldnt have used His Ability and that wasnt even enough |
IcyGlacierAug 23, 2017 2:57 AM
| I would've prefered Vegita saving Hit since in the manga he was the one using switching forms technique. I'm kinda disappointed that Toei went for fanservice instead of consistency. The only way for Toei to correct this is to have Vegita do the same in upcoming fights. |
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Janethan23 said: I would've prefered Vegita saving Hit since in the manga he was the one using switching forms technique. I'm kinda disappointed that Toei went for fanservice instead of consistency. The only way for Toei to correct this is to have Vegita do the same in upcoming fights. What vegita is still there? he just went missing with freezer, or they are hide in a place with a coach playing video games. |
IcyGlacier said: Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.ziggy_Z said: Lmao, they took Toyatoro's stratagem that he came up with for Vegeta (and him only) which was introduced many months ago, and gave it entirely to Goku. Sasuga Toei with that Vegeta shaft. And toppest of keks if Dyspo is the first character to achieve relativistic Dyspo combat, implying that they haven't been FTL since fucking Buu Saga. I think you misunderstood that part, They are on par with his Speed or above his speed, but Dyspo Ability can increase his Current speed a thousands of times for a brief instant which is what was giving them a bit of trouble. If Dyspo FTL Speed was enough to be faster than them He wouldnt have used His Ability and that wasnt even enough |
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| Totally not impressed with this arc so far, I'm mainly watching this because it is dragon ball. |
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| Hit outclassed Fake Beerus with decent strategies. That's what I want. But episodes like that are very rare in this arc. Only the first erasure of a universe was also notable in this arc. |
| Fighthing against universe 11, normal episode, teamwork between Hit and Goku, they are closer to universe 11 best warriors. |
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| Oh, a red one ! Wait, a blue one ! Meanwhile, nothing new. I have enough of those "so fast you can't see them" moves. Weren't already most fighters able to go beyond light speed before Super or do I mix DB and St Seiya? (I have trouble finding this feat exceptional) I wonder why being SSJ through godly energy should hit Goku's vitality in a significant manner when he made SSJ a totally natural form for him. 2/5 Nice to see the divine form again. @TwinJacks Would you mind directing me to those interviews (not Internet people commenting them while facing a camera) please ? |
Rei_IIINov 4, 2017 6:56 AM
| Great episode. Hit and Goku fighting together was amazing. And I was glad to see SSJG again. |
| After 8 months I'm watching again Dragon Ball Super. I wanted Hit to defeat easily his opponent. I can't imagine him getting rekt. |
| Cool? Now Goku can use the different Mode Saiya "Rainbow" how the people go to the bar to choose one or other beer!!! Hit and Goku fought very well, although, one more time, the combat ended ridiculously!!!! Continues doing the same question, in this Battle Royale, only the 7th Universe eliminated enemies, what are doing the others fighting? Taking a bath? eating? :/ |
| Hit and Beer's cousin. Caulifla and Kale. Hit got hit. LMAO Champa acknowledged that Beer's cousin looks like... Berrs. LMAO Zen-chan cant see? Transcended Speed of sound and light. Beer's cousin went through Hit. Knsi saved Beer's cousin. 2 on 1. Dat light. What is that? It's Goku in SSG form. Goku goes SSGSS. Hit goes after Beer's cousin. Goku goes SSGSS. Knsi gets knocked out. Top says stop playing hero. 35 mins left. Dat ending. I called Dyspo Beer's cousin as a joke, but they really acknowledged that he looks like Beer's. lol Surprised they didnt call SSG Super Saiya-jin Reddo. |
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| Goku and Hit's tag team was fire. Goku back in SSJG. |
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| Hit is stronger each time we see him! I wonder if he'll get the chance to fight Goku. |
| In the dub Goku really made a “silly rabbit, tricks are for kids” reference, that is beautiful, so unexpected lol, one of the reasons I’m glad I’m watching this dubbed is special moments like that. Also rip that blue guy K’nsi from the Pride Troopers, he was one of their final four and had a cool power but Goku just says “lol no” and makes a meme out of it, not the first time they’ve done this with a fighter’s gimmick either, I don’t see the point in it when the main characters can just beat it without truly finding a way to win, but whatever, the last three members of Universe 11 are the ones that really matter. Hit’s fight with Dyspo was cool tho, I like seeing different strategies in dealing with Hit’s time skip thing |
TheColonel76Oct 6, 2024 9:14 AM
| Goku's Trix joke was awesome! The fight between Dyspo and Hit was really cool with some cool abilities from the former and clever strategies from the latter. I love when the writers put thought and creativity into fights instead of just having characters yell and do a big beam clash (though that has its place too). |
| Dyspo's dub voice feels kind of bad, although I guess there are older DB voices that sounded odd at first that I grew to love like Jeice's. I dunno if that would happen here tho, and kind of doubt it would. |
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