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Fai said: Farabeuf said: Could be but I wouldn't go so far as to say it 'proves that Freyja won't win' I mean heck, maybe this is the time when they go and change the formula? Maybe Mirage makes a comeback in the next episodes only for Freyja to win at the end? It's implied that Hayate's dad was heavily involved in the incident which probably cost Freyka's parents their lives, so I guess there's going to be some tension there sooner rather than later. The thing is I never saw them as romantic. Hayate and Freya give off more of a sibling kind of vibe. Its very easy for someone like Mirage to misinterpret and I am sure Freya might feel more than that, but this kind of set up so far is par the course for macross. I mean this was almost identical albeit more childhood friendly version of the relatively famous Misa/Hikaru/Minmay scene. All that is missing is Mirage getting drunk next episode or something. She should ask her Grandma for advice. "Take knives to a date" |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Farabeuf said: Fai said: The thing is I never saw them as romantic. Hayate and Freya give off more of a sibling kind of vibe. Its very easy for someone like Mirage to misinterpret and I am sure Freya might feel more than that, but this kind of set up so far is par the course for macross. I mean this was almost identical albeit more childhood friendly version of the relatively famous Misa/Hikaru/Minmay scene. All that is missing is Mirage getting drunk next episode or something. She should ask her Grandma for advice. "Take knives to a date" Well we just wrote next episode - Mirage gets drunk and starts drunkenly muttering songs. Hayate finds her, but she, being drunk, pulls out a knife and engages him in a knife fight. |
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Fai said: Well we just wrote next episode - Mirage gets drunk and starts drunkenly muttering songs. Hayate finds her, but she, being drunk, pulls out a knife and engages him in a knife fight. Followed by a shotgun wedding. You got it! But the animation better suck too to pay homage to the original |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Great Episode! This is why I watch Macross and I Love the God Bless You song! Possibly one of my favourite episodes so far. |
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| God Bless You was beautiful. I ship Freyja and Hayate. |
| Oh no! we've got a problem! Mirage is in love! Such a beautifully executed episode and ED song! What a great celebration of Freyja's Birthday! Hayate is innovative with his gift to Freyja! "yuki" (snow) 5/5. I think the pilot of the super dimension bomber is none other than the father of Hayate... |
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| Lewd rune-touching. Had to cover my eyes. |
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camille_bassett said: I think I'm having second thoughts....I understand what happened now I'm so dumb I see it I want Freyja To be with Hayate but it's so obvious I mean I was expecting the tradition to change with the Macross series but mabye he doesn't want to its gonna be Mirage and I'm going to except that...😂..😃..😊...☺...🙂...😏...😐...😓...😟..😢...😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 BUT I DON'T WANT TO!! It's not just because I like freyja it's because I really expected the tradition to be changed around I'm really disappointed in the show I mean why a lot of people expected the tradition to change and most people didn't but now I'm really dissatisfied with this anime it's boring now because we all know how it's going to turn out look even Mirage Fans knew from the beginning I don't plan on watching this show anymore Smh... camille_bassett said: I think I'm having second thoughts....I understand what happened now I'm so dumb I see it I want Freyja To be with Hayate but it's so obvious I mean I was expecting the tradition to change with the Macross series but mabye he doesn't want to its gonna be Mirage and I'm going to except that...😂..😃..😊...☺...🙂...😏...😐...😓...😟..😢...😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 BUT I DON'T WANT TO!! It's not just because I like freyja it's because I really expected the tradition to be changed around I'm really disappointed in the show I mean why a lot of people expected the tradition to change and most people didn't but now I'm really dissatisfied with this anime it's boring now because we all know how it's going to turn out look even Mirage Fans knew from the beginning I don't plan on watching this show anymore Smh... But I don't understand why you find the anime so dissatisfied and boring? How I see things and I'm not saying this because I Ship Freyja x Hayate I'm just being honest do you ever recall Hayate showing the slightest interest towards Mirage? Has he ever blushed or talk about how her amazing pilot skills? Does he run after Mirage whenever she's in trouble like he does with Freyja? Yea Mirage and him were alone and "half naked" in episode 14 and in this episode they were shopping for Freyja's present but lets be honest all he ever thinks about is in Freyja and how much impact her songs have been to him. He loves to shove it in Mirages face about how beautiful Freyja songs are , so if people seriously can't see the love between Freyja x Hayate then there just butthurt that Delta will end the Macross Tradition. Your in all your right drop the anime and whatever but I think you should reconsider it especially after this episode :) Just look at Hayate's face don't tell me he isn't falling in love with Freyja? First time blushingggg xD Episode 16 As freyja runs off, Hayate tries to stop her ^^ |
-Janet said: But I don't understand why you find the anime so dissatisfied and boring? How I see things and I'm not saying this because I Ship Freyja x Hayate I'm just being honest do you ever recall Hayate showing the slightest interest towards Mirage? Has he ever blushed or talk about how her amazing pilot skills? Does he run after Mirage whenever she's in trouble like he does with Freyja? Yea Mirage and him were alone and "half naked" in episode 14 and in this episode they were shopping for Freyja's present but lets be honest all he ever thinks about is in Freyja and how much impact her songs have been to him. He loves to shove it in Mirages face about how beautiful Freyja songs are , so if people seriously can't see the love between Freyja x Hayate then there just butthurt that Delta will end the Macross Tradition. That does not matter. If anything that's just clues at the immaturity and childishness of relationship, which Kawamori usually hates. Thus that's more sibling like relationship and Mirage will win the contest, because more mature girl always wins. If this was near the end of the show, Freya would have some chances, but right now, nope. The very fact that this episode makes the viewer want to feel for Mirage and root for her is already proof of that. Hell what is going on here is no different from Hikaru and Minmay versus Misa and Minmay. |
AhenshihaelJul 21, 2016 2:20 AM
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| Could somebody explain to me why the snow was the perfect gift? Has Freyja ever mentioned missing snow or something? Despite the beautiful and well done scene, I was kind of 'UH, WHY SNOW?'.... |
Driugen said: notanicywarmth said: Could somebody explain to me why the snow was the perfect gift? Has Freyja ever mentioned missing snow or something? Despite the beautiful and well done scene, I was kind of 'UH, WHY SNOW?'.... It's because her home world is one of those worlds that is rather cold. So essentially he was giving her the feeling of being back home. Thanks a lot, Driugen. It makes sense now. -Janet said: Fai said: That does not matter. If anything that's just clues at the immaturity and childishness of relationship, which Kawamori usually hates. Thus that's more sibling like relationship and Mirage will win the contest, because more mature girl always wins. If this was near the end of the show, Freya would have some chances, but right now, nope. The very fact that this episode makes the viewer want to feel for Mirage and root for her is already proof of that. Hell what is going on here is no different from Hikaru and Minmay versus Misa and Minmay. Here we go again with the same crap I honestly don't care if the older woman "always wins". Dude save your damn comments if you ship Hayate with Mirage well cool but if there's people out there like me who have a tinsy bit of hope Delta will change the course and Hayate ends up picking Freyja then every single Mirage fanboy must accept it. If I decide to keep on having hope don't butt in and ruin it by saying Mirage will win share that info with someone who cares. You go, girl!!! Janet, you're right from all points of view, in my opinion. I am usually the one that doesn't really choose a side when it's a love triangle thing. I didn't during Frontier and we remember how that triangle was. You couldn't choose which one to ship because they were both so good. But this time, I really chose a side. And it's Freyja x Hayate, because there is something there. No matter how much Mirage likes him, no matter how much some watchers may root for Mirage, no matter how much tradition bullsh*t is there, between FreFre and HayaHaya is something, something that Mirage isn't going to get to have with him in fifty more years of the Macross franchise. For all those that flap out the OLDER GIRL TRADITION THING, there's an entire forum topic on this matter, you can check it out, but I'm going to summarize it here! There's that theory about Freyja actually being older than Mirage. It's basic maths if you think a bit. Mirage is 17-18 in human years. Freyja is 15 years old in Windermere years, but how much is that in human years? The answer is: more than 17-18 human years. You can even say that she's middle-aged, in fact. In real life, there's this dog years thing. If you have a dog you must have heard. One human year is seven dog years. Therefore, if your dog has one year, he's technically seven. If your dog is +10 years old and you can see that he's old and maybe even in poorer health - it's because he's actually +70 years old in his dog years. Back to Windermere, their life expectancy is 30-35 years. Human (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) expectancy is around 65. That means that Windermere expectancy is around half of the humans'. Therefore, with basic maths, not a major, not a degree, just second grade math, you can realize that if you are a 30 year old Windermere, then you actually are like 60-something in human years. If you are 15 in Winderemere years, then you may be 30 in human years. Guess who is 15 in Winderemere years??? Freyja, darlings, Freyja!!! First grade maths teach you that 30 > 18. How would Mirage be in Windermere years? 18 / 2 = 9. First grade maths teach you that 15 > 9. Kawamori Shoji knows everybody expects him to follow the tradition he has created himself, but let's not forget how he cheated giving a direct answer in Frontier. He needed two more movies to finally give an answer and, by the way, the answer was that neither really got Alto. I know he did tell Sheryl he loved her, but then he disappeared. She can't really say she won, can she? I love Sheryl just as much as I love Ranka and that finale for the series was by far the best Kawamori could have chosen. He outdid himself. Now, during Delta, he may try again to cheat the tradition. And he's also messing with the fans. Is Mirage older? It looks so. But those who think for a bit can understand that it depends on how you see it. And once again he can end the series whatever way he wants to without breaking his so strong, yet so fragile tradition. You, all Mirage fanboys, take that!! |
notanicywarmthJul 21, 2016 2:07 PM
-Janet said: Fai said: That does not matter. If anything that's just clues at the immaturity and childishness of relationship, which Kawamori usually hates. Thus that's more sibling like relationship and Mirage will win the contest, because more mature girl always wins. If this was near the end of the show, Freya would have some chances, but right now, nope. The very fact that this episode makes the viewer want to feel for Mirage and root for her is already proof of that. Hell what is going on here is no different from Hikaru and Minmay versus Misa and Minmay. Here we go again with the same crap I honestly don't care if the older woman "always wins". Dude save your damn comments if you ship Hayate with Mirage well cool but if there's people out there like me who have a tinsy bit of hope Delta will change the course and Hayate ends up picking Freyja then every single Mirage fanboy must accept it. If I decide to keep on having hope don't butt in and ruin it by saying Mirage will win share that info with someone who cares. I am all about consistency and GOOD narrative writing. Right now everything points to Mirage winning in Kawamori signature way. She is older, more mature and not an idol. And she has a legacy in terms of her family. And she is the one the narrative wants viewers to root for as shown this episode. Ranka did not win in Frontier and honestly can't see why Ranka2 would win here. Its the same kind of character that Kawamori dislikes. Unless Freya stops being an idol, she will be married to being an idol. I don't do completely juvenile things like "shipping". If u want that more teenager experience, go watch Tumblrnaiver. |
AhenshihaelJul 22, 2016 2:03 AM
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-Janet said: notanicywarmth said: Thanks a lot, Driugen. It makes sense now. You go, girl!!! Janet, you're right from all points of view, in my opinion. I am usually the one that doesn't really choose a side when it's a love triangle thing. I didn't during Frontier and we remember how that triangle was. You couldn't choose which one to ship because they were both so good. But this time, I really chose a side. And it's Freyja x Hayate, because there is something there. No matter how much Mirage likes him, no matter how much some watchers may root for Mirage, no matter how much tradition bullsh*t is there, between FreFre and HayaHaya is something, something that Mirage isn't going to get to have with him in fifty more years of the Macross franchise. For all those that flap out the OLDER GIRL TRADITION THING, there's an entire forum topic on this matter, you can check it out, but I'm going to summarize it here! There's that theory about Freyja actually being older than Mirage. It's basic maths if you think a bit. Mirage is 17-18 in human years. Freyja is 15 years old in Windermere years, but how much is that in human years? The answer is: more than 17-18 human years. You can even say that she's middle-aged, in fact. In real life, there's this dog years thing. If you have a dog you must have heard. One human year is seven dog years. Therefore, if your dog has one year, he's technically seven. If your dog is +10 years old and you can see that he's old and maybe even in poorer health - it's because he's actually +70 years old in his dog years. Back to Windermere, their life expectancy is 30-35 years. Human (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) expectancy is around 65. That means that Windermere expectancy is around half of the humans'. Therefore, with basic maths, not a major, not a degree, just second grade math, you can realize that if you are a 30 year old Windermere, then you actually are like 60-something in human years. If you are 15 in Winderemere years, then you may be 30 in human years. Guess who is 15 in Winderemere years??? Freyja, darlings, Freyja!!! First grade maths teach you that 30 > 18. How would Mirage be in Windermere years? 18 / 2 = 9. First grade maths teach you that 15 > 9. Kawamori Shoji knows everybody expects him to follow the tradition he has created himself, but let's not forget how he cheated giving a direct answer in Frontier. He needed two more movies to finally give an answer and, by the way, the answer was that neither really got Alto. I know he did tell Sheryl he loved her, but then he disappeared. She can't really say she won, can she? I love Sheryl just as much as I love Ranka and that finale for the series was by far the best Kawamori could have chosen. He outdid himself. Now, during Delta, he may try again to cheat the tradition. And he's also messing with the fans. Is Mirage older? It looks so. But those who think for a bit can understand that it depends on how you see it. And once again he can end the series whatever way he wants to without breaking his so strong, yet so fragile tradition. You, all Mirage fanboys, take that!! Awww thanks girl I appreciate your kind words but damn you left me speechless with your theory :D I would've never thought that in Windermere years, Freyja's actually the older one here now that I think about it our beloved Kawamori-sensei messed with our minds making us think all this time Mirage was the older girl and she had the chance to win. But as I read your theory carefully a lot of things make sense now it does suck though that Freyja has sucha short life span. I mean it kinda makes me think I'm not sure if this ever crossed your mind but could Freyja actually only be half Windermere? I say this because she only has 1 rune while Keith and the rest of the Windermere citizens have 2. Do you have any theory for that? I'm honestly fed up with all these people who keep saying Freyja will lose just because of the Macross Traidtion ( older woman wins ) If Kawamori-sensei ever decided to end the Traidtion and make the younger girl win people would have to keep there mouth shut and accept it. It's not written in stone all the older women win at the end. About the relationship between Alto and his close triangle well I haven't gotten the chance to finish the anime but I like both females each have there different personalities which in my opinion complements Alto's but I will have to see it to the end to make my decision. On the other hand Freyja's relationship with Hayate is absolutely beautiful. It might sound a bit cruel with what I'm about to say but I love when Hayate talks about how Freyja's song make him feel to Mirage, it's so obvious that from the start he felt some sort of connection with her. Besides that you tell me how many times does Hayate talk to Freyja about Mirage? I don't recall him ever expressing any sort of admiration to her about Mirage's pilot skills like he does with Freyja songs. I'm sorry to break it to all the Mirage shippers but Freyja will win this battle like it or. Let's unite forces notanicywarmth and protect our couple from the hate that will come after the Mirage shippers come to realize that there otp won't sail. HELL YEAH, JANET!!!! |
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Whoahoho said: Ok if Freyja is 16 then that makes her 26 in Windermere years. BTW, I know this is stupid, but is Makina and Reina in a lesbian relationship? it look's like it's heading to that direction |
| That look Freyja gave.... The animators somehow managed to replicate a look of pure love in anime form. I don't know if I've ever seen that before but it made my heart melt on the spot. |
Fai said: Virtual_sk said: What did you see beyond the rune Hayate? Deculture! I think both Freyja and Mirage are really sweet. I wonder which route he will take in the end, many say Mirage will win because of tradition, but don't forget the triangle can be left in the open yet again. Up to now the only TV Macross with a definite resolution of the love triangle is SDF. Macross 7 was left unresolved and Macross F as well (but F had the remake movies to get things done). Both 7 and F were pretty much resolved tho? Nope, bro. We still don't know if Basara love Mirene. For Alto case, Sheryl won. He confessed to her moments before his departure with the Vajra Queen. |
YK97 said: Nope, bro. We still don't know if Basara love Mirene. For Alto case, Sheryl won. He confessed to her moments before his departure with the Vajra Queen. Basara's true love was music. The closest thing to a romance was with Sivil. She is the only character Basara shows actual interest in. And afterward he continues to devote himself to the music. For me that's resolution enough. The love triangle was resolved. |
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Fai said: YK97 said: Nope, bro. We still don't know if Basara love Mirene. For Alto case, Sheryl won. He confessed to her moments before his departure with the Vajra Queen. Basara's true love was music. The closest thing to a romance was with Sivil. She is the only character Basara shows actual interest in. And afterward he continues to devote himself to the music. For me that's resolution enough. The love triangle was resolved. Basara and Sivil relationship is more like a species to species understanding. If you watched M7 closely (hope you didn't drop it), you can see at the end why Basara was able to convince the boss with his passion for music. For the real love triangle, Gamelin-Mirene-Basara. It's not solved. |
YK97 said: Fai said: Basara's true love was music. The closest thing to a romance was with Sivil. She is the only character Basara shows actual interest in. And afterward he continues to devote himself to the music. For me that's resolution enough. The love triangle was resolved. Basara and Sivil relationship is more like a species to species understanding. If you watched M7 closely (hope you didn't drop it), you can see at the end why Basara was able to convince the boss with his passion for music. For the real love triangle, Gamelin-Mirene-Basara. It's not solved. What I am saying is that Gamlin/Myllene/Basara is not a triangle. Basara has no interest in romance. His love is music. And he continues to wander around dedicated to it. The closest thing to romance was Sivil because he showed interest in someone else's emotions. But even then as you said it was not an actual "romance".In the end Basara chooses music as his love and that for me is resolution for the romantic plots surrounding him. |
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Dadothedog said: Remember that scene in Macross F where Ranka sees Sheryl on a "date" with alto. We are expect to root for ranka yet she still lost. Not really. Sheryl was the under-dog and the unlucky one in Frontier. "the replacement". Ranka was the one with "innocent love she wants to confess" and the "true thing". |
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| Really sweet episode I love both of the main girls but freyja has the slight edge for my favorite. |
| Poor Mikumo I feel sorry for her... It's hard to choose between her and Freyja, they're just both pretty good characters. ED song hit me right in the feels </3 Good episode 4.5/5 |
| Laid back episode & innocent type… that is until the mid-point were the relationship between some of the characters develop more and then you got the final part in a text book Macross love triangle (up the ante in the felling department)... Key parts of the show: Freyja past was sad as f*ck but at the same time she doesn’t get anything to let her down, she is living to the fullest. Hope she become sincerer with her feelings. So sad by that Mikumo revelation (I wanted to hug her)... That Mirage tears... Damn, I want to console her... Glad that Arad is not that dense... Next episode Hayate's dad past & explanation? |
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| Excellent timing on the song in the snow... after Freyja raised all those flags... Finally an anime focused a bit more on the romance, which this anime has been sorely lacking. |
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| Did Kawamori made this anime for wind metaphors? This episode flew with the good wind. What girl will win it's for the wind to decide. |
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