Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

Darklight0303 said:


Seems so. That's another excuse destroyed right there. He doesn't give a fuck about Earth and its inhabitants.

Inugirlz said:

I have a big problem with this. The episode pretty much established that Slaine thinks little of Terrans and Earth in general, it hasn't gotten to the point where he believes in genocide like some have been saying but I just don't get it. HE HAS NO REASON TO WANT TO DO THIS. NONE WHATSOEVER! Unless we get a flashback showing a childhood full of hardship on earth or something it makes no sense why he's going this route. It isn't even what the Asseylum wants. WTF man, this is too inconsistent.

Inugirlz said:
On another note...the duplication ability. Seriously? That's almost as cheap as the future-seeing ability. Maybe even more. Can you image what you could do with that technology? This is bloody magic, screw sci-fi

skudoops said:


He's probably trying the old "peace through conquest" business we see in other stories. I suppose he's granting the real princess wish for peace in his own way.

Inugirlz said:


I have a big problem with this. The episode pretty much established that Slaine thinks little of Terrans and Earth in general, it hasn't gotten to the point where he believes in genocide like some have been saying but I just don't get it. HE HAS NO REASON TO WANT TO DO THIS. NONE WHATSOEVER! Unless we get a flashback showing a childhood full of hardship on earth or something it makes no sense why he's going this route. It isn't even what the Asseylum wants. WTF man, this is too inconsistent.

Darklight0303 said:


Except his way will cost him the princess.

kymano said:

Slaine considered that he has no home on neither Earth nor Vers so he cares little of Earth, when he got to Earth in S1 he made the same reference as Mazuurek about not having anything against them.He is now in charge of Vers affairs in times of war and he has to make sure that Vers has the upper hand.Asseylum is not gonna be happy with him but what can she do?

skudoops said:


Probably why he doesn't want her to remember anything. She currently has no idea what's happening around here.

CookingPriest said:


He always was? I mean considering what he did in last 19 months.

He is the dude who gave up on both planets and decided - HEY I WILL BUILD SOVIET RUSSIA IN SPACE.

skudoops said:


Not really, he could just be saying that to keep up appearances.

Raziel1991 said:


Considering he was talking to Lemrina, a girl who is 100% loyal to him, there was no need keep up appearances.

Darklight0303 said:


Well too late for that. Now both Princesses know he's a scumbag.

kymano said:

Slaine considered that he has no home on neither Earth nor Vers so he cares little of Earth, when he got to Earth in S1 he made the same reference as Mazuurek about not having anything against them.He is now in charge of Vers affairs in times of war and he has to make sure that Vers has the upper hand.Asseylum is not gonna be happy with him but what can she do?

skudoops said:


Not really, he could just be saying that to keep up appearances.

awditty said:


We don't know details yet. Most could have been projections or holograms.

skudoops said:


Probably why he doesn't want her to remember anything. She currently has no idea what's happening around here.

awditty said:


Standard stuff; cognitive dissonance.

He wants stuff. Other people have it. If he just kills them to take it he's evil.

But if they're trash ...

kymano said:


Ok how she will escape? Maazuurek already done deal swear loyalty to Slaine, Asseylum is now underpowered by Slaine and is of no use to Earth since she can no longer be used for negotiations.So why should she go back to Earth?

Inugirlz said:


I have a big problem with this. The episode pretty much established that Slaine thinks little of Terrans and Earth in general, it hasn't gotten to the point where he believes in genocide like some have been saying but I just don't get it. HE HAS NO REASON TO WANT TO DO THIS. NONE WHATSOEVER! Unless we get a flashback showing a childhood full of hardship on earth or something it makes no sense why he's going this route. It isn't even what the Asseylum wants. WTF man, this is too inconsistent.

Inugirlz said:


I have a big problem with this. The episode pretty much established that Slaine thinks little of Terrans and Earth in general, it hasn't gotten to the point where he believes in genocide like some have been saying but I just don't get it. HE HAS NO REASON TO WANT TO DO THIS. NONE WHATSOEVER! Unless we get a flashback showing a childhood full of hardship on earth or something it makes no sense why he's going this route. It isn't even what the Asseylum wants. WTF man, this is too inconsistent.

Darklight0303 said:

A: Mazurek helps her and dies.
B: Edelrittuo helps her and dies
C: Slaine would probably never shoot down a shuttle with Asseylum even if she was leaving him. Then again if he does, then he's completely fucked.
D: Asseylum finds a kataphract with a power unseen before and uses that to escape. Bonus points if she steals Harklight's Kataphract.

AlexGK said:
Can help but laugh how Slaine's world just crumbled in less than a minute airtime :D

Darklight0303 said:


Aldnoah Power. To put together an op like the one that took out Sazbaum's castle. The only group who could pull it off is Inaho's gang with the ship. As for how she escapes it's pretty simple.
A: Mazurek helps her and dies.
B: Edelrittuo helps her and dies
C: Slaine would probably never shoot down a shuttle with Asseylum even if she was leaving him. Then again if he does, then he's completely fucked.
D: Asseylum finds a kataphract with a power unseen before and uses that to escape.

kymano said:

A-Stop killing Mazuurek(im already liking him)
B Stop killing off random characters again
C Slaine controls Space sending a Tharsis or Harklight to recapture her is easy enough
D. Why not talk she just confront Slaine about it? Its not that hard considering Asseylum knows Slaine well enough to not be afraid of his dark deeds.
Note: Sorry im not up for this hide and seek crap again, Asseylum is the Vers' princess and this season focuses on Vers affairs , it'd be a waste of her character to keep randomly running off from situations that can be dicussed.

MonadoRudra said:


Until Slaine shows more evidence of actual hatred towards Terrans, it's more likely it's just one of those things he says make sure Lemrina believes war is the right thing and Terrans are scum herself as Lemrina is his propaganda machine (note during Lemrina's talk with Masuurek she literally copies what Slaine said). Slaine's not the type to hide his emotions and if he hated Terrans he'd made that clear a long time ago.

It also could be something he uses to cope when killing Terrans like someone else said. Hard to say without further evidence though.

awditty said:


go with standard stuff until the writers provide more details

The standard stuff here is cognitive dissonance.

He wants stuff. Other people have it. If he just kills them to take it he's evil.

Since he doesn't seem to have Saazbaum's level of self-awareness, like most people he cannot live with the thought that he's plain evil.

But if they're "trash" ...

o123o said:
So they have "dinner" in space? I thought time didnt exist in space >__>

Darklight0303 said:


There's nothing to talk with a madman.

Darklight0303 said:


There's nothing to talk with a madman.

Alsoran said:


I don't think Asseylum has what it takes to hate someone like that. She would definitely try to talk and understand, no matter how insane the person is.

Alsoran said:


I don't think Asseylum has what it takes to hate someone like that. She would definitely try to talk and understand, no matter how insane the person is.

kymano said:

Oh so it all comes down that Slaine is a madman? Edelrittuo had no problem confronting Slaine about his motives and she didn't seem scared of him, as matter of fact Edlrittuo had seen what Slaine had to go through to get to this point, so its safe to say Edelrittuo at Asseylum's point of view of Slaine so Asseylum talking to Slaine is not much to worry about.

Darklight0303 said:


What? YOu realize going to space doesn't eliminate the body's basic needs right?

Darklight0303 said:


That's what happens when you build your kingdom on nothing but lies.

Alsoran said:


I don't think Asseylum has what it takes to hate someone like that. She would definitely try to talk and understand, no matter how insane the person is.

AlexGK said:


He will be double head-shot by both princesses by the end of this season.
And then in the next season he will survive because people need to rage and we will have 2000+ post count episode 1 thread.
I just dont know who will save him - Lemrina or Harklight. Or, maybe Inaho will - I am expecting just anything from this storywriting now.

kymano said:

Oh no Asseylum has an enormus hatred of the Vers empire, mostly because of its negative propaganda and views of Earthlings.When she transformed in front of Trillam she said very offensive words and the part when Saazbaum's crashed through the UFE HQ she was outright pissed.As of Slaine, she'd probably yell at him.

Alsoran said:


Hate doesn't do anything but cause more hate. It is for that reason alone that Asseylum wont hate anything.

Darklight0303 said:


Edelrittuo going along with Slaine doesn't prove jack shit when she was never all that much of a fan of the Princess' goals in season 1. Seriously give it up.

kymano said:

Edelrittuo was a model example of Vers system ,are you saying when Edelrittuo went to Earth she had kept her negative views of terrans so high that nothing would break her? Nope, the Earthlings got through to her and changed her ignorance of Earthlings(as she hated Slaine back then).Edelrittuo now had seen what it takes for a lowly terran to get through to the Vers discriminatory system and she would be against him?Not atleast, and what is to give up? We are not having a competition here to see who's right.

Darklight0303 said:


Are you seriously ignoring Edelrittuo's behavior towards terrans for a majority of Season one? ARe you seriously doing that? All you'll achieve is make my case for me.

kymano said:

Nope because it seems your imagination goes a little off, probably because you overestimate and underestimate Characters .Again stop killing off Characters it makes us Inaho fans look like a bunch of Shounen or die fanatics.

Darklight0303 said:


LOL you are no Inaho fan. Now you're just making up bullshit.

kymano said:

Yeah i am cheering for Inaho, but as to you actual bullshitters, i dont run around making bad assumptions of some fictional characters WHO ARE ON THE OPPOSING TEAM BTW. My expectations are only that it takes co-oper...oh what the heck, i just want to see Asseylum actaully being of some use in this show.

Darklight0303 said:


Bad assumptions that turn out to be true every step of the way. But hey you keep writing that fanfic you love to live in. Cooperation was destroyed at the end of season 1.

Asseylum can be useful. By stopping Slaine. No matter how that is achieved. Though again it is a master's duty to put down their dog once it goes rabid.

kymano said:

Your bad assumptions proved to be nothing and you keep getting angry and throw out new ones(which involves random character dying) since that doesnt work why not be a little more understanding.This is the political side of a war no need for guns and killing.
You can't explain how Asseylum will stop Slaine, you just want her to run-away from him(again forgetting she is a princess of the Vers).You just jump to conclusions saying she will kill him.

Darklight0303 said:


I have explained. But you continue to believe in that fanfiction reality of yours where everything will work out with words and the princess will totally work with Slaine to destroy everything she holds dear. Seriously your delusions are legendary.

kymano said:

What fanfic? Again Slaine just ordered the Counts to fight united if they want the upper-hand, Clearly Slaine is not with Earth nor have any alliance to Earth so why should it matter to him if Earth soldiers will have a hard time(THIS IS A WAR).All of a sudden you considered Slaine a madman for helping Vers get the better side and pushes the UFE in a power struggle that now the UFE is considering suicide missions.Oh are you forgetting that he claims that he was going to become Emperor of Vers so why would he want the Vers to lose.So you should think before you post.

Darklight0303 said:


None of those things prove that Slaine is sane you know. This very episode proved he is in sane. He WISHES the princess would not remember. The previous episode he snapped violently at Edelrittuo. His sanity is completely compromised. You just won't admit it.