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| Ugh, nooooooo! Even though his Fate was already sealed, I wanted Rider to WIN! Man, y did the most badass character have to lose :(. On another note, Saber vs Berserker had such an awesome fight sequence, Berserker's NP really is too OP, I mean it was even infecting Excalibur. Talk about one crazy NP! 5/5 |
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020303 said: Ugh, nooooooo! Even though his Fate was already sealed, I wanted Rider to WIN! Man, y did the most badass character have to lose :(. On another note, Saber vs Berserker had such an awesome fight sequence, Berserker's NP really is too OP, I mean it was even infecting Excalibur. Talk about one crazy NP! 5/5 Berserker would be able to make Ea his own IF he ever got to touch it. As for Rider Team |
ssjokg said: NNick said: ssjokg said: NNick said: Yeah, he had to die, that was obvious, but, oh well, they're all dead anyways, even Gilgamesh. they're just ghosts. Rider went back to heaven :"(. So basically , this show will have no conclusion because of FSN? Well the story of the 4th war or as others would say, Kiritsugu's fight end in FZ so no need to watch FSN(5th war) if you dont want to. I haven't seen FSN, only last battle between Saber and Gilgamesh. Except the characters that survive the 4th war and Saber that is summoned again I wouldnt say that you have to watch it to reach a conclusion for FZ.Unless you want to watch it of course.Or even better read the VN Trenerka said: TheWitcher said: I can't believe how stubborn you must be and you are probably a pro-Kirei person and I understand how your hatred towards Kiritsugu affects your brains cells, but I'll leave it here: And this: TheWitcher said: And even so I'm more into Kiritsugu than Kirei, since that Kirei did nothing but jogging once and that's all. Oh yea I forgot: he acted like a snake he is and killed the priest and Tokiomi... Apparently taking Tokiomi in a fair 1 on 1 is too much for a pussy like him. That's why I will never agree with anybody saying Kirei si cooler than Kiritsugu. Discussions, discussions, you made me, you bring it on So he basically won, because he was bastardly enough to GREAT moral victory for our protagonist if I may say so.... And Kirei didn't play fair with Tokiomi because Tokiomi knew too damn well he stood no chance against experienced Executor and would have forced Gilgamesh to defeat Kirei. So Kirei simply prevented him from doing so. And what priest killing are you talking about? Risei? He was killed by Kayneth. I should add that Kirei indeed IS cooler than Kiritsugu.It is the ugly truth for those of us that hate Kirei and have some sympathy for Kerry. re-read this TheWitcher said: And even so I'm more into Kiritsugu than Kirei, since that Kirei did nothing but jogging once and that's all. Oh yea I forgot: he acted like a snake he is and killed the priest and Tokiomi... Apparently taking Tokiomi in a fair 1 on 1 is too much for a pussy like him. That's why I will never agree with anybody saying Kirei si cooler than Kiritsugu. Discussions, discussions, you made me, you bring it on and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. |
| Sore Wa Himitsu Desu |
TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? |
| The Rider vs. Gilgamesh battle was so anti-climatic... |
ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? I'm just saying that Gen humiliated Kerry and simply didn't say almost anything good about him, even though there was a chance for that easily. That's the type of author Gen is. |
| Sore Wa Himitsu Desu |
TheWitcher said: ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? I'm just saying that Gen humiliated Kerry and simply didn't say almost anything good about him, even though there was a chance for that easily. That's the type of author Gen is. It's not that Kerry doesnt have good moments or that most of us hate him.And thinking about it when he did that with Saber ,it was the best he could do.I mean FZ fans would hate him if he hadnt.Kerry isnt bad but Kirei, even if he is a big bastard, happens to be cooler than him.It wasnt Gen's fault or their final fight.Overall you can say that Kirei i scooler than Kerry |
TheWitcher said: ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? I'm just saying that Gen humiliated Kerry and simply didn't say almost anything good about him, even though there was a chance for that easily. That's the type of author Gen is. So you completely forgot the existence of UBW and HF routes of F/SN. |
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ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? I'm just saying that Gen humiliated Kerry and simply didn't say almost anything good about him, even though there was a chance for that easily. That's the type of author Gen is. It's not that Kerry doesnt have good moments or that most of us hate him.And thinking about it when he did that with Saber ,it was the best he could do.I mean FZ fans would hate him if he hadnt.Kerry isnt bad but Kirei, even if he is a big bastard, happens to be cooler than him.It wasnt Gen's fault or their final fight.Overall you can say that Kirei i scooler than Kerry Now I agree completely. Kirei is indeed cooler in terms of fighting and evilness, but what I was saying is that Kiritsugu got a bit of a better personality and better Master and overall in terms how he played his role in Fate/Zero. I'm not even arguing about Kirei being cooler than Kiritsugu because if I have to choose one of them in a fight (where Kiritsugu has no Avalon), I'd say Kirei wins (may be not that easily, but wins) Kiritsugu. However my point was still about overall effectiveness and role in Fate/Zero, where hands down - Kiritsugu wins imo |
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TheWitcher said: ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: ssjokg said: TheWitcher said: and about the novel: I read it and I know myself that Kiritsugu was humiliated by the author, but don't forget who's the author: that guy literally can describe a situation like this: Kiritsugu used the command seal on Saber while she was fighting Gilgamesh into this: Saber was almost dead and bleeding badly and then the bastard Kiritsugu rapes her with the command seal and destroys her soul by this. That's the difference and you should be well aware of it. I dont get what you are trying to say... Should I accept Kerry as cooler because of that?hmmm...ah what? I'm just saying that Gen humiliated Kerry and simply didn't say almost anything good about him, even though there was a chance for that easily. That's the type of author Gen is. It's not that Kerry doesnt have good moments or that most of us hate him.And thinking about it when he did that with Saber ,it was the best he could do.I mean FZ fans would hate him if he hadnt.Kerry isnt bad but Kirei, even if he is a big bastard, happens to be cooler than him.It wasnt Gen's fault or their final fight.Overall you can say that Kirei i scooler than Kerry Now I agree completely. Kirei is indeed cooler in terms of fighting and evilness, but what I was saying is that Kiritsugu got a bit of a better personality and better Master and overall in terms how he played his role in Fate/Zero. I'm not even arguing about Kirei being cooler than Kiritsugu because if I have to choose one of them in a fight (where Kiritsugu has no Avalon), I'd say Kirei wins (may be not that easily, but wins) Kiritsugu. However my point was still about overall effectiveness and role in Fate/Zero, where hands down - Kiritsugu wins imo Yeah you can say that if Kiritsugu wasnt participating in the 4th war Kirei wouldnt be like that.He found a reason to be in the war in the existence of Kiritsugu.He probably would be messing around with Kariya anyway but without Kiritsugu he would lack something. |
| Alright, how the hell did Gil lose in F/SN? lol |
| You were the man, Rider, you were the man. |
Day2Dream said: Alright, how the hell did Gil lose in F/SN? lol |
Day2Dream said: Alright, how the hell did Gil lose in F/SN? lol |
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| I'm gonna miss Rider and Waver's talks that's for sure ;-; |
| About the whole Kiritsugu versus Kirei debate: 1. Deciding which character is cooler or more interesting than another based upon power levels is just silly, especially since both of them would get wrecked by any Servant other than, perhaps, 5th War Hassan, including 4th War Hassan. Neither of them are even the most powerful humans; Ciel would destroy both of them. Trenerka said: So he basically won, because he was bastardly enough to GREAT moral victory for our protagonist if I may say so.... |
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Lapan said: Sadly Alexander vs Gilgamesh was underwhelming. Him having a weapon that eactly counters Riders phantasm is a little bit to much of an asspull. I know he is supposed to be overpowered, but that doesn't mean i have to like it. I figured Berserker is gonna be Lancelot, they weren't really subtle about it. With this series almost done i gotta say i prefer this a ton over Stay/Night. The characters are a lot more likeable. While i don't think it's a 10/10 masterpiece liek the hype suggests, it's a good and enjoyable show. 3/5 I liked the Berserker vs Saber fight, but Gil vs Alexander drags this episode down. Well put. These are mostly my feelings as well. My score for this episode too. A bit of a drop off after the previous two episodes. I don't think that it was a fitting end for Iskander, who has been a great and stalwart character throughout the two seasons. As a rule, suicide charges are tedious. And I fail to see the point in Kotomine reciting the psalms, just as I still fail to see the point of the two episode diversion into Kiritsugu's youth. Not sure what's up with Kariya in this episode. How is he being haunted, and why? Finally, I'd be more appreciative of du Lac if he didn't have his teeth filed. It diminishes what is otherwise a pretty good character design. But I'm glad that his helmet is finally off and the next stage of the story can be told. |
| Atleast Gilgamesh Respects the other Kings! even trying to test Waver's loyalty to Rider even though Gilgamesh already knew that he was the master of Rider!.. This episode is just so epic! the way Rider ran while it was raining weapons from Gate of Babylon was like a Movie! Rider is going to be missed :( and 2 more episodes of this one of the Best Shows ever...! :( But still, Gilgamesh was epic on this too and just love how they make him all gold and shiny and he had this respect to Rider too, not really bad! |
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the_trainman said: NNick said: Yeah, he had to die, that was obvious, but, oh well, they're all dead anyways, even Gilgamesh. they're just ghosts. They're not all ghosts... Also I have to say it again, if they don't show Apart from the hallucination Kariya was like this in the LN: Kariya did not even know what this place was. At first he had been in icy darkness, but now he felt a strange heat, and even breathing was difficult. He thought he smelled something burning; perhaps it was his own body that had been burned, but that didn’t matter. In any case his body could not move; what was most important now was Berserker’s fight—and— saving Sakura. Sakura—ah, he would really like to see her one more time. He would really like to see that child. But not Rin; he couldn’t see her. He mustn’t see her—no, but why was that, again? Even thinking made him feel pain. His brain, his consciousness and his soul were all being crushed. There was something strange. It seemed that something important had happened. Something was wrong. Though he had become aware that something was different, Kariya’s thoughts were quickly caught up once again in endless torment. It hurt— There was only pain. And suffering— So they will probably add |
ssjokgJun 10, 2012 6:58 PM
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Shiyumi said: Thess said: Lumathy said: Nope. Ultimate defense vs Ultimate attack. Avalon is just a barrier, it's not like it can split heaven and earth so both are hax in their own way. Gilgamesh behaved pretty stupid in that battle. He should have Gate of Babylon'ed Saber the moment she stepped out the barrier or Enkidu'd her. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Avalon Avalon is not a barrier, EA can't even compare to it. It was most powerful existence in Nasu's universe. From the wiki: It IS a barrier. |
ssjokg said: Let me add that this was a interesting description whom I never though of Avalon like that. Hence so it looks to be the only thing against Gilgamesh, correct? Or is there something else?Shiyumi said: Thess said: Lumathy said: Nope. Ultimate defense vs Ultimate attack. Avalon is just a barrier, it's not like it can split heaven and earth so both are hax in their own way. Gilgamesh behaved pretty stupid in that battle. He should have Gate of Babylon'ed Saber the moment she stepped out the barrier or Enkidu'd her. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Avalon Avalon is not a barrier, EA can't even compare to it. It was most powerful existence in Nasu's universe. From the wiki: It IS a barrier. |
| Rider is the only so far to have died a honorable, satisfactory death imo. The emotional impact and dialogue that this episode had was spectacular. Truly the best episode I've seen so far in F/Z. I liked Gilgamesh better in F/Z than F/SN. At least here he wasn't a total jackass. |
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| Oh my god.... this is one of the best episodes of all time |
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| Didn't like this episode. Gil/Rider was pretty one sided and underwhelming for all that build up. Kinda liked the Saber/Lancelot fights I guess. 2.5/5 |
| Loved a one sided fight like this, although I expected Rider to at least land a scratch...But in retrospect this adds more sense of despair towards the finale. 5/5 |
ssjokg said: I should add that Kirei indeed IS cooler than Kiritsugu.It is the ugly truth for those of us that hate Kirei and have some sympathy for Kerry. Shirou would probably hate his dad if he met him in Fate/Zero, since he's basically Archer only worse. While he likes Kirei. LOL. Yeah, the story is pretty biased towards Kotomine because Nasu likes him (favorite FSN male character). Truth hurts. Liberal said: To be fair, Shirou dies more than Gilgamesh and he's the main character (yeah, bad ends and dead ends are canon). LunarMoon said: Neither of them are even the most powerful humans; Ciel would destroy both of them. Nasu said F/Z!Kirei with Command Spells will probably defeat Ciel. He never does it against Kiritsugu battle, but he can become Servant-level with ten of those. His original plan against True Assassin battle was to let him keep some and utterly crush him using it (which he almost did without them...) |
ThessJun 10, 2012 11:31 PM
| I have to say when it came to dialog and just being awesome Rider was def the one that stood out and of course I knew he was going to die, he is def memorable. Archer really cheated with that magic wand sword of his but that's war I guess. As for berserker, finally he has been revealed. I was pretty shocked but this just make things all the more interesting. Hoping for a longer fight scene between him and Saber |
| berserker's gun had like 1000 bullets in his clip! damn type-moon wiki spoiled berserker for me. |
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Shiyumi said: Yumekichi11 said: ssjokg said: Let me add that this was a interesting description whom I never though of Avalon like that. Hence so it looks to be the only thing against Gilgamesh, correct? Or is there something else?Shiyumi said: Thess said: Lumathy said: Nope. Ultimate defense vs Ultimate attack. Avalon is just a barrier, it's not like it can split heaven and earth so both are hax in their own way. Gilgamesh behaved pretty stupid in that battle. He should have Gate of Babylon'ed Saber the moment she stepped out the barrier or Enkidu'd her. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Avalon Avalon is not a barrier, EA can't even compare to it. It was most powerful existence in Nasu's universe. From the wiki: It IS a barrier. In Fate we have Fragarach, in Nasuver, many. Gilgamesh wouldn't use Ea against Bazett unless she's Prisma Illya Bazett who is an overpowered monster who can defeat Servants with her bare fists and would have killed Gilgamesh there if wasn't for his regeneration factor... Or if you mean, have a competent Servant who warrants Ea team up with her. Then yes, Fragarach would have taken care of Gilgamesh the moment he uses Ea. zeroyuki92 said: Loved a one sided fight like this, although I expected Rider to at least land a scratch...But in retrospect this adds more sense of despair towards the finale. 5/5 There was no really despair. I suggest you to read the novel chapter of this fight. It's an explicit good end if a little bittersweet. Rider got what he wanted, was satisfied (for now). Waver and him are bonded due to the oath, etc. Waver understands he'll be added to his ranks and he has to work hard to warrant the praise. That he isn't alone anymore. Separation is meaningless. |
ThessJun 11, 2012 12:30 AM
| By the way, this is the reason why people kept speculating about that Waver-lookalike inside Ionian Hetairoi, because Waver officially joined Rider's ranks here, and Epic Heroes exist outside of time... |
Moekou said: By the way, this is the reason why people kept speculating about that Waver-lookalike inside Ionian Hetairoi, because Waver officially joined Rider's ranks here, and Epic Heroes exist outside of time... Yeah and even if you have read FZ+FSN ,if you do not see his appearance(10 years later) in the character material you probably wont see the similarity. Waver: |
ssjokgJun 11, 2012 4:46 PM
| So sad, Gilgamesh is full of Hax, just like Sasuke Iskander died like a tied up Gladiator Lancelots identity didn't gave enough impact onscreen Maybe some story background on the next episode would enlighten that |
Thess said: zeroyuki92 said: Loved a one sided fight like this, although I expected Rider to at least land a scratch...But in retrospect this adds more sense of despair towards the finale. 5/5 There was no really despair. I suggest you to read the novel chapter of this fight. It's an explicit good end if a little bittersweet. Rider got what he wanted, was satisfied (for now). Waver and him are bonded due to the oath, etc. Waver understands he'll be added to his ranks and he has to work hard to warrant the praise. That he isn't alone anymore. Separation is meaningless. True. Rider had the best end that a servant could ask for in FZ (I mean, look at Lancer!!) All that left from now on is despair and more despair. Impulse66 said: Archer really cheated with that magic wand sword of his but that's war I guess. sooo when other servants use their NPs it's normal but when Gil use his NP it's "cheating"? wut? |
1lau said: So sad, Gilgamesh is full of Hax, just like Sasuke Iskander died like a tied up Gladiator Lancelots identity didn't gave enough impact onscreen Maybe some story background on the next episode would enlighten that Comparing Sasuke with Gilgamesh...Unless it's some other Sasuke than the one I have in mind. Lumathy said: Impulse66 said: Archer really cheated with that magic wand sword of his but that's war I guess. sooo when other servants use their NPs it's normal but when Gil use his NP it's "cheating"? wut? Rider IH vs less than100 Assassins....No cheating there...>_> |
ssjokg said: 1lau said: So sad, Gilgamesh is full of Hax, just like Sasuke Iskander died like a tied up Gladiator Lancelots identity didn't gave enough impact onscreen Maybe some story background on the next episode would enlighten that Comparing Sasuke with Gilgamesh...Unless it's some other Sasuke than the one I have in mind. he's obviously trolling, there's no other way I could see anyone putting the King in the same sentence with Sasuke. ssjokg said: Lumathy said: Impulse66 said: Archer really cheated with that magic wand sword of his but that's war I guess. sooo when other servants use their NPs it's normal but when Gil use his NP it's "cheating"? wut? Rider IH vs less than100 Assassins....No cheating there...>_> Gil has a freaking army of 1xxxxx servants attacking him at once, if anyone should complain about "unfair" it's him. |
Yumekichi11 said: Fragarach. WTF is that? Someone PM me a list of Anti-Gilga stuff from both Universes PLEASE! Thank you. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach It's more of a Anti-Ultimate Attack+sure kill instead of Anti-Gil.Anti -Gil would be FSN Archer's UBW ,although against a serious Gil it wouldnt be that helpful. |
ssjokgJun 11, 2012 7:20 AM
Xawddre said: While lancer was exactly how we would picture Lancelot would be, chivalrous, loyal, noble, and great with the ladies haha Funny that ,that's the reason Lancelot wished to become a mad beast. |
ssjokg said: Yumekichi11 said: Fragarach. WTF is that? Someone PM me a list of Anti-Gilga stuff from both Universes PLEASE! Thank you. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach It's more of a Anti-Ultimate Attack+sure kill instead of Anti-Gil.Anti -Gil would be FSN Archer's UBW ,although against a serious Gil it wouldnt be that helpful. LOL that would be implying that Gil would use an ultimate attack on Bazett. |
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BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Yumekichi11 said: Fragarach. WTF is that? Someone PM me a list of Anti-Gilga stuff from both Universes PLEASE! Thank you. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach It's more of a Anti-Ultimate Attack+sure kill instead of Anti-Gil.Anti -Gil would be FSN Archer's UBW ,although against a serious Gil it wouldnt be that helpful. LOL that would be implying that Gil would use an ultimate attack on Bazett. Well Fragarach would be able to kill Gil IF he was serious against her.Thats why I put UBW as an Anti-Gil instead of Fragarach. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Yumekichi11 said: Fragarach. WTF is that? Someone PM me a list of Anti-Gilga stuff from both Universes PLEASE! Thank you. Here: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach It's more of a Anti-Ultimate Attack+sure kill instead of Anti-Gil.Anti -Gil would be FSN Archer's UBW ,although against a serious Gil it wouldnt be that helpful. LOL that would be implying that Gil would use an ultimate attack on Bazett. If she has a Servant strong enough to force Gil to use Ea, she can win. I feel Fragarach was created by Nasu to troll the shit out of all the overpowered beings in Nasuverse. Fragarach vs ORT, who would win? (inb4 thread derailed) |
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