Kenja no Mago Episode 12 Discussion

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I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

I'm not lazy...
I'm just very unproductive.

Jul 8, 2019 10:39 PM

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Rayinator said:
I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

log horizon has trash tier waifus, can't possibly be the best isekai

Jul 8, 2019 11:40 PM

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elementex said:
log horizon has trash tier waifus, can't possibly be the best isekai

Log Horizon has Shiroe.

Thy Battleship has been sunk.

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I'm just very unproductive.

Jul 9, 2019 12:03 AM

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Rayinator said:

elementex said:
log horizon has trash tier waifus, can't possibly be the best isekai

Log Horizon has Shiroe.

Thy Battleship has been sunk.

isn't shiroe a dude?

Jul 9, 2019 12:29 AM

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elementex said:

Rayinator said:

Log Horizon has Shiroe.

Thy Battleship has been sunk.

isn't shiroe a dude?

Who needs waifus when you have Shiroe

I'm not lazy...
I'm just very unproductive.

Jul 9, 2019 7:52 AM

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That ending was dull. But I had fine this entire series.

Jul 9, 2019 6:33 PM

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Rayinator said:

elementex said:

isn't shiroe a dude?

Who needs waifus when you have Shiroe

You're arguing with a guy who gives a big chunk of scores to an anime with "high tier" waifus. No waifu, 1/10. Waifu, instant 10/10. LOL

Jul 9, 2019 7:35 PM

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I feel like the show had a lot of potential, but also suffered a lot of short comings.

I think it would've made a significant difference if they focused more on Shin's ability to use magic. The premise itself is cool. When reincarnated he still remembers how science works from beforehand and is basically able to apply that to magic to make it better. I really did like that concept of him essentially knowing more about how the magic works in that world than the actual people who live there. The average "decent" magician there thinks chanting a spell and spitting out a little flame that could barely light paper on fire is good fire magic. Meanwhile in the first episode you have Shin explaining that visualizing the magic improves its strength and he was able to visualize the hydrogen burning and oxygen fueling the flame and making it bigger, etc. Then after that they basically stopped that and he would just come up with new magic out of the blue.

I did also like that even the side characters are considered extremely OP by that worlds standards, its just that Shin is almost god tier.

I think the goofy KonoSuba art style was a big hindrance to the show too, and probably the best thing to compare it to. KonoSuba used that art style because the show is extremely goofy and comedic. It's a show that's 95% comedy, 5% action so it works. On the other hand, this show is like 34% comedy, 33% romance, 33% action. So using that goofy art just doesnt look nice outside of the comedy moments, hampers the quality of the action scenes, and just makes it hard to take the show seriously.

I seriously think if they focused maybe a little less on the comedy, built the side characters up a bit more, focused more on the magic a bit, and changed the art style, this would've been an easy 8/10...But it really was just like trying to watch a KonoSuba-esque show that tried to do too much all at once.

Also....was Miria the evil demonoid lady hinting at being/trying to get pregnant by Strohm at the end there?

Jul 10, 2019 5:33 AM

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that was a very open ended ending. thought they'd try to cram even more into the last episode, but looks like even that wasn't possible. this was average as all hell.

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Jul 11, 2019 9:32 AM

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I like adventure/isekai animes but i just cant watch this anime to the last episode.
Im at episode 5 now and the blue hair girl is just so annoying i want to close the browser everytime she gets nervous and starts screaming.

Jul 11, 2019 9:56 AM

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We_Ka said:
I like adventure/isekai animes but i just cant watch this anime to the last episode.
Im at episode 5 now and the blue hair girl is just so annoying i want to close the browser everytime she gets nervous and starts screaming.

I love her, she is so cute and sweet.

Jul 12, 2019 4:33 AM

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I was hoping for more action and see shin rage for abit but i guess 12 eps ain't gonna cover that much

Jul 13, 2019 6:33 AM

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Show isn't as bad as butthurt top reviews say. Characters were fun and likeable, there was no haremshit like all isekai are recently. 7/10

Jul 14, 2019 2:05 AM

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This anime should have season 2

Jul 14, 2019 7:40 AM

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What a Bullcrap, this show is way too generic, and i'm actually surprised of my self being able to watch the entire episodes. Why would the author decided to add isekai vibes to the show ? like, it adds no value to the show because the MC didn't even bring out his past life, ever ! the only interesting thing is Olivier's backstory.

Overall score 5/10, it's a meh

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Jul 17, 2019 3:00 PM

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ToshiroChan said:
What a Bullcrap, this show is way too generic, and i'm actually surprised of my self being able to watching the entire episodes. Why would the author decided to add isekai vibes to the show ? like it adds no value to the show because the MC didn't even bring out his past life, ever ! the only interesting thing is Olivier's backstory.

Overall score 5/10, it's a meh

inventions, science, customs, ya none at all

Jul 17, 2019 4:00 PM

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elementex said:

ToshiroChan said:
What a Bullcrap, this show is way too generic, and i'm actually surprised of my self being able to watching the entire episodes. Why would the author decided to add isekai vibes to the show ? like it adds no value to the show because the MC didn't even bring out his past life, ever ! the only interesting thing is Olivier's backstory.

Overall score 5/10, it's a meh

inventions, science, customs, ya none at all

Yeah, the guy happens to remember only those. Very convenient. It's like the writer just be like "How about remembering his family? Nah too much to bring out later. Scrap." Oh wait. The writing is like that most of the time. Still 10/10 though eh?

Jul 17, 2019 9:38 PM

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I enjoyed it...meh 🤷‍♂️

Jul 19, 2019 3:13 PM

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Don't see this getting a second season. Pretty generic series overall, isekai part didn't really matter that much except for the main characters knowing some stuff which probably could have been omitted and easily replaced by something entirely else. The gags were definitely the best part of this series, together with Shin being overpowered.

10:26 Shin why stop her, you party pooper, let her continue, let the guy die while seeing some anime tiddies ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

Jul 24, 2019 1:21 AM

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Probably won't get a season 2 but it was very enjoyable for me. I watched it in one sitting.

Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone

Jul 26, 2019 1:32 AM

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Rayinator said:
I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

I can understand how you feel with regards to point 4, but the last episode I feel definitely brought the tension with the fight between Miria and the ultimate magicians. I truly felt like she was crushing them after seeing the kids 1 shotting the other demons and she even was able to keep pace with Shin once he arrived.

Jul 26, 2019 6:58 AM

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elementex said:

Rayinator said:
I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

I can understand how you feel with regards to point 4, but the last episode I feel definitely brought the tension with the fight between Miria and the ultimate magicians. I truly felt like she was crushing them after seeing the kids 1 shotting the other demons and she even was able to keep pace with Shin once he arrived.

Funny you talked about the Miria fight. One can say that it was (almost) single-handedly ruined by the blonde little girl's nonsensical Gabriel (from Gabriel Dropout) reaction towards getting outgunned by Miria. I know I wouldn't feel the same way as she did when I encounter a wild tiger in a forest. Unless it's common sense to give a meh reaction to lethal hazards in that world, it's nonsensical. That's not the way to build tension. Instead, that's how to ruin it.

Jul 27, 2019 1:08 AM

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elementex said:

Rayinator said:
I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

I can understand how you feel with regards to point 4, but the last episode I feel definitely brought the tension with the fight between Miria and the ultimate magicians. I truly felt like she was crushing them after seeing the kids 1 shotting the other demons and she even was able to keep pace with Shin once he arrived.

As much as the tension did ramp up a bit, the fact that you knew that Shin was just going to come in and single handedly save them definitely didn't help it. I feel like if they wanted to take this more serious approach to the show, they should have scaled Shin's power down by a lot. I do like cheesy comedy and romance every now and then, but we have seen time and time again that if you want to include drama as well, an OP character just won't do it. It was a shame too since Shin's use of science and magic was really interesting at the start. It wasn't just a one time gimmick for blue fire but actually took into consideration a lot more of his skills. However as he grew up and as we approached the end of the series, he moved from using substantially interesting spells to the "if you put in more power, things will die faster" approach.

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I'm just very unproductive.

Aug 11, 2019 7:05 PM

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Rayinator said:

elementex said:

My man, someone who speaketh the truth. This show was by no means a travesty, but it was far--like, FAR--from perfect. Bland and generic looking villain (at least he had some kind of interesting initiative, although I completely skipped his backstory, cause why tf do I care). Annoying, boring, cookie cutter housewife waifu that whines too much. ANY of the other girls were better than blue hair whatever-her-fucking-name-was, but skipping 15-20 seconds anytime I saw her face made it marginally better. Yet still, I did finish, so it must have been decent enough to warrant a full watch. With a base score of 7 for any show I finish, this one lost a point for the terrible romance I had to skip past. 6/10. Seriously, I have not seen a show with a worse romance interest, and Death March Isekai had a pretty intolerable one.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is amazing. Not my fav--I'm rather partial to Overlord and Geminar, but one of the best out there. I see a fellow fan of romance and drama has also seen Plastic Memories. By far one of my favorite shows ever.)

Aug 13, 2019 4:38 AM

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Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

My man, someone who speaketh the truth. This show was by no means a travesty, but it was far--like, FAR--from perfect. Bland and generic looking villain (at least he had some kind of interesting initiative, although I completely skipped his backstory, cause why tf do I care). Annoying, boring, cookie cutter housewife waifu that whines too much. ANY of the other girls were better than blue hair whatever-her-fucking-name-was, but skipping 15-20 seconds anytime I saw her face made it marginally better. Yet still, I did finish, so it must have been decent enough to warrant a full watch. With a base score of 7 for any show I finish, this one lost a point for the terrible romance I had to skip past. 6/10. Seriously, I have not seen a show with a worse romance interest, and Death March Isekai had a pretty intolerable one.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is amazing. Not my fav--I'm rather partial to Overlord and Geminar, but one of the best out there. I see a fellow fan of romance and drama has also seen Plastic Memories. By far one of my favorite shows ever.)

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I'm not lazy...
I'm just very unproductive.

Aug 13, 2019 10:05 AM

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Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I was thinking there was no way I could have liked Sicily as the main romance option, but as you said, if she was actually developed instead of just cookie-cutter, maybe I would have liked her a bit more.

Aug 13, 2019 12:00 PM

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This is still a classic anime, there are many good shows this summer but none of them match Kenja........ Season 2 where are you?

Aug 13, 2019 10:43 PM

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Rayinator said:

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I was thinking there was no way I could have liked Sicily as the main romance option, but as you said, if she was actually developed instead of just cookie-cutter, maybe I would have liked her a bit more.

Sicily was cute and all but, as you said, she pretty much is just a cookie cutter template 'waifu'. Surrounding drama around her felt flat, her overall character never had enough depth to really flesh out their romance and personally I never found her to have anything special or unique. Good characters have a well thought out character, they don't have to specifically be grounded completely in reality but at the same time you can't just have the living description of perfect. There were times too where I had hope for her gain something, anything, specifically those times where she questioned if she was relying too much on Shin. There was something there, something that could have grown into something compelling, but as I said, in the end Shin cut it short and we were left disappointed.

I'm not lazy...
I'm just very unproductive.

Aug 14, 2019 2:00 AM

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Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

elementex said:

Rayinator said:

I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I was thinking there was no way I could have liked Sicily as the main romance option, but as you said, if she was actually developed instead of just cookie-cutter, maybe I would have liked her a bit more.

Sicily was cute and all but, as you said, she pretty much is just a cookie cutter template 'waifu'. Surrounding drama around her felt flat, her overall character never had enough depth to really flesh out their romance and personally I never found her to have anything special or unique. Good characters have a well thought out character, they don't have to specifically be grounded completely in reality but at the same time you can't just have the living description of perfect. There were times too where I had hope for her gain something, anything, specifically those times where she questioned if she was relying too much on Shin. There was something there, something that could have grown into something compelling, but as I said, in the end Shin cut it short and we were left disappointed.

Sizilien is not a typical waifu, shy girls like her rarely get to be main girl. Where Onodera failed Sizilien took charge and never looked back. That is why she is best waifu.

Aug 14, 2019 8:54 AM

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elementex said:

Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

elementex said:

Rayinator said:

I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I was thinking there was no way I could have liked Sicily as the main romance option, but as you said, if she was actually developed instead of just cookie-cutter, maybe I would have liked her a bit more.

Sicily was cute and all but, as you said, she pretty much is just a cookie cutter template 'waifu'. Surrounding drama around her felt flat, her overall character never had enough depth to really flesh out their romance and personally I never found her to have anything special or unique. Good characters have a well thought out character, they don't have to specifically be grounded completely in reality but at the same time you can't just have the living description of perfect. There were times too where I had hope for her gain something, anything, specifically those times where she questioned if she was relying too much on Shin. There was something there, something that could have grown into something compelling, but as I said, in the end Shin cut it short and we were left disappointed.

Sizilien is not a typical waifu, shy girls like her rarely get to be main girl. Where Onodera failed Sizilien took charge and never looked back. That is why she is best waifu.

Yeah, because saying unnatural lines during her handful of drama as the main girl ought to make her less typical...

Aug 15, 2019 3:14 AM

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elementex said:

Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

elementex said:

Rayinator said:

I've probably become isekai trash seeing that I didn't mind this show all too much. But that was probably because I never tried to look at it as something like Konosuba or No Game No Life and more so as just a show to pass the time.

Overall I wouldn't really say it's as bad as people depict it to be.

Things of course that I have some gripes with are

1) Developing the idea of Shin's magic more. It was genuinely interesting when he mixed science in with magic. It died off early on. Was hoping that they would keep it up throughout the series. All of the members of the Ultimate Magicians I would assume would have at least learn some of Shin's techniques, so actually seeing them in practice and having them be mentioned at least somewhere during their training would have made this show a hell lot more interesting.
2) As being romance trash, I was honestly happy that they actually managed to confess to each other instead of an endless slew of misunderstandings. Though I do wish they would have spent just a bit more time fleshing out their feelings since it felt kinda forced.
3) Oliveira could have been a much greater character if they spent more time on his ambitions etc. A large chunk of the show was just Shin and his friends slowly becoming demon slaying beasts which I wouldn't mind if it were to stay that way. However coming up to the last 2 - 3 episodes and suddenly cutting back to him seemed rushed and forced. Sure we got his backstory but seeing as how he's already accomplished his goal it kinda just fell flat.
4) Speaking of the last 2 - 3 episodes honestly the tension that they were trying to create didn't feel that way at all. Shin and the others joke around as they fly over to the town burning and crumbling away. They land and immediately split into teams with no real reaction to anything. The fights lacked any sort of danger and they all ended (to nobody's surprise) in like 5 seconds. Just when you thought it might pick up with the guy using the magic gear, what instead happened was that his barrier broke and he was whisked away into our memory landfill.
5) Any sort of drama never went anywhere in this show. Specifically the moments between Shin and Sicily. Whenever Sicily had any doubts or worries, my ears would perk up hoping something... ANYTHING... would happen to strengthen the relationship between Shin and Sicily. But alas, nothing noteworthy happens and Shin just does something to make her feel better rather than to strengthen her as a character. Even that last moment where Sicily feels as if she could never do anything as great as Shin, sure it was sort of wholesome that everyone she saved came to make her feel better but it really didn't satisfy what they were building up.

I should probably put this in a review instead of the last episode discussion but oh well it's too late for that now.

(Side Note: Log Horizon is the best isekai, change my mind.)

Totally agree with you there. They had so many chances to develop Sicily further but in the end any and all complication was just solved by Mr Nice Guy Shin. Her dramatic moments never hit as hard as they could have because of the way they resolved it. So yeah, my thoughts are pretty much the same as you here, the show was by no means the worst, but there was definitely an astounding amount of lost potential.

I was thinking there was no way I could have liked Sicily as the main romance option, but as you said, if she was actually developed instead of just cookie-cutter, maybe I would have liked her a bit more.

Sicily was cute and all but, as you said, she pretty much is just a cookie cutter template 'waifu'. Surrounding drama around her felt flat, her overall character never had enough depth to really flesh out their romance and personally I never found her to have anything special or unique. Good characters have a well thought out character, they don't have to specifically be grounded completely in reality but at the same time you can't just have the living description of perfect. There were times too where I had hope for her gain something, anything, specifically those times where she questioned if she was relying too much on Shin. There was something there, something that could have grown into something compelling, but as I said, in the end Shin cut it short and we were left disappointed.

Sizilien is not a typical waifu, shy girls like her rarely get to be main girl. Where Onodera failed Sizilien took charge and never looked back. That is why she is best waifu.

Any girl can persevere. Anyone can write a girl that perseveres. But in the end, just that one character trait isn't going to do anything if it doesn't pair with something else and if the character doesn't develop. Sure, Sicily isn't perfect but in the end she never goes anywhere with her development and remains "the perfect girl" for Shin, and thus she remains boring. She was cute at the start sure, but when she stays within that cookie cutter template you eventually lose interest in her.

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I'm just very unproductive.

Aug 15, 2019 11:48 PM

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Rayinator said:

elementex said:

Sizilien is not a typical waifu, shy girls like her rarely get to be main girl. Where Onodera failed Sizilien took charge and never looked back. That is why she is best waifu.

Any girl can persevere. Anyone can write a girl that perseveres. But in the end, just that one character trait isn't going to do anything if it doesn't pair with something else and if the character doesn't develop. Sure, Sicily isn't perfect but in the end she never goes anywhere with her development and remains "the perfect girl" for Shin, and thus she remains boring. She was cute at the start sure, but when she stays within that cookie cutter template you eventually lose interest in her.

Yeah, sorry elementex, Ray pretty much put the nail in the coffin on this one: remaining Shin’s “perfect girl” did nothing to help her character. There’s a reason “shy” girls are rarely the main romance option. What are you gonna with them? What direction can you go other than not shy. The character can’t develop to be more shy and closed off, that doesn’t work. The character needs to open up, at which point you’ve changed their whole archetype. With a shy girl, there’s just no character development, ergo, boring af.

DetaliusAug 15, 2019 11:52 PM

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Yeah, sorry elementex, Ray pretty much put the nail in the coffin on this one: remaining Shin’s “perfect girl” did nothing to help her character. There’s a reason “shy” girls are rarely the main romance option. What are you gonna with them? What direction can you go other than not shy. The character can’t develop to be more shy and closed off, that doesn’t work. The character needs to open up, at which point you’ve changed their whole archetype. With a shy girl, there’s just no character development, ergo, boring af.

The poorly written drama lines given to her by the author really backfired on her. Like that one instance when she's harassed by a guy at the academy. Yes, she was a damsel in distress in that scene. Then, she said, "Sob Yes obaa-san. Sob Actually I used Shin to scare the guy off. Sob He's really a goodie two shoes. Sob" Like what were you trying to do, author? Use Shin to scare some dude off? Really? The author must be like "Alright, I got an innocent and shy blue haired girl for MC with ample... assets. This line should make her sound less innocent. CHARACTER DEPTH!! BAM! NAILED IT"

That line pretty much broke the deal for me. Same thing happened in the final episode even though to a lesser extent. The drama she got caught in throughout the season didn't add depth to her character. Instead, it made her look like a pandering prop even more.

Aug 19, 2019 6:54 PM

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tiwibo said:

Detalius33 said:

Yeah, sorry elementex, Ray pretty much put the nail in the coffin on this one: remaining Shin’s “perfect girl” did nothing to help her character. There’s a reason “shy” girls are rarely the main romance option. What are you gonna with them? What direction can you go other than not shy. The character can’t develop to be more shy and closed off, that doesn’t work. The character needs to open up, at which point you’ve changed their whole archetype. With a shy girl, there’s just no character development, ergo, boring af.

The poorly written drama lines given to her by the author really backfired on her. Like that one instance when she's harassed by a guy at the academy. Yes, she was a damsel in distress in that scene. Then, she said, "Sob Yes obaa-san. Sob Actually I used Shin to scare the guy off. Sob He's really a goodie two shoes. Sob" Like what were you trying to do, author? Use Shin to scare some dude off? Really? The author must be like "Alright, I got an innocent and shy blue haired girl for MC with ample... assets. This line should make her sound less innocent. CHARACTER DEPTH!! BAM! NAILED IT"

That line pretty much broke the deal for me. Same thing happened in the final episode even though to a lesser extent. The drama she got caught in throughout the season didn't add depth to her character. Instead, it made her look like a pandering prop even more.

Detalius33 said:

Rayinator said:

Any girl can persevere. Anyone can write a girl that perseveres. But in the end, just that one character trait isn't going to do anything if it doesn't pair with something else and if the character doesn't develop. Sure, Sicily isn't perfect but in the end she never goes anywhere with her development and remains "the perfect girl" for Shin, and thus she remains boring. She was cute at the start sure, but when she stays within that cookie cutter template you eventually lose interest in her.

Yeah, sorry elementex, Ray pretty much put the nail in the coffin on this one: remaining Shin’s “perfect girl” did nothing to help her character. There’s a reason “shy” girls are rarely the main romance option. What are you gonna with them? What direction can you go other than not shy. The character can’t develop to be more shy and closed off, that doesn’t work. The character needs to open up, at which point you’ve changed their whole archetype. With a shy girl, there’s just no character development, ergo, boring af.

Boring af to you maybe, but for many she is perfection incarnate. Just because she doesn't fit your archetype for a girl doesn't mean she is a bad waifu.

Aug 19, 2019 8:33 PM

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Boring af to you maybe, but for many she is perfection incarnate. Just because she doesn't fit your archetype for a girl doesn't mean she is a bad waifu.

It's exactly because she's so blatantly perfect down to the letter she's boring af and the drama made her a badly written character.

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elementex said:

Boring af to you maybe, but for many she is perfection incarnate. Just because she doesn't fit your archetype for a girl doesn't mean she is a bad waifu.

It's exactly because she's so blatantly perfect down to the letter she's boring af and the drama made her a badly written character.

What about her is perfect? Being shy is imperfection, and so is blurting out embarrassing things.

Aug 19, 2019 10:11 PM

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tiwibo said:

It's exactly because she's so blatantly perfect down to the letter she's boring af and the drama made her a badly written character.

What about her is perfect? Being shy is imperfection, and so is blurting out embarrassing things.

But you just said that she IS perfection incarnate. Being perfection incarnate somehow isn't perfect now? What does incarnate mean? Make up your mind, will you?

Aug 19, 2019 10:21 PM

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elementex said:

What about her is perfect? Being shy is imperfection, and so is blurting out embarrassing things.

But you just said that she IS perfection incarnate. Being perfection incarnate somehow isn't perfect now? What does incarnate mean? Make up your mind, will you?

She herself isn't perfect, she is perfect for me and what I am looking for.

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