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| I don't think you got the fight at all. Jotaro clearly says that he prepared the magazines while Dio was in the store with his leg cut off (and just look where he is after falling off). He technically knew The World's power before the fight, even if for some seconds, but he could just got the magnets from his wallet, like Dio said. Also, Jotaro used the trick to catch The World's off guard, as Dio was clearly not expecting him to move, and so he had the advantage. And he didn't see his hand moving but listened; that's why they made the sound of it so loud. The OVA is practically the same with him flying and the pacing. I know that there's a lot of people who prefer the scale and the animation of the OVAs, but c'mon. At least make a fair comparison. |
OverkilledRedJun 14, 2015 10:44 PM
| I'm really hyped for the final episode, it's gonna be awesome/funny/sad at the same time, and PLEASE BASED DAVID PRO. PLEASE DON'T FORGET : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRRAgAjGTo |
TenNoHao said: I'm really hyped for the final episode, it's gonna be awesome/funny/sad at the same time, and PLEASE BASED DAVID PRO. PLEASE DON'T FORGET : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRRAgAjGTo I wouldn't hold your breath. The licensing on Beatles songs is a nightmare and absurdly expensive. |
Royce said: - Jotaro carrying books in his clothes before the fight despite him not knowing Dio's power or Dio counter attacking by using knives He put magazines in his clothes BECAUSE he didn't know Dio's power. Only Kakyoin and Joseph found out that The World was a short ranged Stand before he confronted Dio. He probably put those into his clothes while he was with Polnareff. Royce said: - Jotaro using the magnet trick even though before the fight he didn't know Dio's power Did you miss the part where Joseph told Jotaro what it was and Jotaro goaded Dio into punching him for a longer period of time so that he wouldn't use time stop immediately? Royce said: - Dio seeing Jotaro's hand twitch even though he was looking at Polnareff He specifically says that he "heard" a noise. |
Fadeout4 said: TenNoHao said: I'm really hyped for the final episode, it's gonna be awesome/funny/sad at the same time, and PLEASE BASED DAVID PRO. PLEASE DON'T FORGET : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRRAgAjGTo I wouldn't hold your breath. The licensing on Beatles songs is a nightmare and absurdly expensive. Oh yeah, you're right :/ |
| Geez, I thought it was obvious that Jotaro put the magazines minutes before the confrotation with the knives when I read the manga. But the anime made it even more clear adding this scene: And I just checked the manga... Yep, he clearly says it. |
OverkilledRedJun 15, 2015 9:39 AM
GarudaAiacos said: I don't understand all the complaints about the art in this part. Its perfect IMO especially after I went back and watched all 3 DIO' World eps back to back I could really see how good the qood the art is. It is phenomenal. Any minor mstakes can be fixed for the blu ray. All the art issues people are complaining about take place during high speed moments that are only on screen for a frame or two. It's ridiculous. People will bitch about anything. It's especially ironic considering the OVAs had their fare share of derpy art issues as well. |
| the fuck?! they're flying now with some sort of a super saiyan aura and Mortal Kombat xray moment |
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| Whoo, hold your horse everybody. I still enjoyed the tv fight with Dio, but I just don't like it better then the OAV fight. Art and animation on the tv for Dio is not that bad, but it's far from great for it to be biggest fight for part 3. Why is being faithful to the manga ways a plus to a lot people? That's like saying that the first full metal alchemist was bad because it did not follow the manga. The stuff that the OAV changed did not effect the story in any major way. OAV wasn't trying to skip part of the manga, it was trying to alternate the part they felt didn't make sense logically to them or didn't make sense mood wise (because OAV took a more serious tone to it). 1. In the OAV Jotaro did not fly, he was jumping or getting knock around 2. How did Dio hear Jotaro hand move over the walking sound of the cops 3. Why did Jotaro even have magnets and outside of this fight what use did he have for those magnets. It happen to be in his pocket just in case he fight somebody who can freeze time. Sorry, I did miss that were he said that he stuff the books in his shirt while Dio's leg was cut. I still think the idea of the wooden brace is better than idea of the books protecting Jotaro from knives. I think this fight could be almost another episode longer, I didn't even get the chance to feel bad for kakyoin. Not complaining, but giving my own constructive criticism. Still love the tv series though. |
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Royce said: Whoo, hold your horse everybody. I still enjoyed the tv fight with Dio, but I just don't like it better then the OAV fight. Art and animation on the tv for Dio is not that bad, but it's far from great for it to be biggest fight for part 3. Why is being faithful to the manga ways a plus to a lot people? That's like saying that the first full metal alchemist was bad because it did not follow the manga. The stuff that the OAV changed did not effect the story in any major way. OAV wasn't trying to skip part of the manga, it was trying to alternate the part they felt didn't make sense logically to them or didn't make sense mood wise (because OAV took a more serious tone to it). 1. In the OAV Jotaro did not fly, he was jumping or getting knock around 2. How did Dio hear Jotaro hand move over the walking sound of the cops 3. Why did Jotaro even have magnets and outside of this fight what use did he have for those magnets. It happen to be in his pocket just in case he fight somebody who can freeze time. Sorry, I did miss that were he said that he stuff the books in his shirt while Dio's leg was cut. I still think the idea of the wooden brace is better than idea of the books protecting Jotaro from knives. I think this fight could be almost another episode longer, I didn't even get the chance to feel bad for kakyoin. Not complaining, but giving my own constructive criticism. Still love the tv series though. The OVA's version of this battle is great and all, but I just don't get the same feeling of Araki-style hamminess. Stuff like DIO punching cats into peoples' food, him asking a lady to bring his leg and Jotaro appearing inside of a manhole inexplicably help. Plus the seiyuu in this TV series are much much better in my opinion, especially DIO |
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Royce said: 1. In the OAV Jotaro did not fly, he was jumping or getting knock around 2. How did Dio hear Jotaro hand move over the walking sound of the cops 3. Why did Jotaro even have magnets and outside of this fight what use did he have for those magnets. It happen to be in his pocket just in case he fight somebody who can freeze time. 1. It sure did look like he was flying, tho. The TV series just didn't care to explain or to make it look like some sort of high jump. 2. Now you're just being picky for sake of it and ruining your fun. And you can say that Dio was just being over cautious with Jotaro. 3. Some wallets have magnets for money clips and stuff like that. And again, no need to be so picky with things like that. They add to the fun of the battle and that's just how JoJo works. |
| So if i remember correctly, someone posted on a forum about how you could spot The World in the OP (not sure if all of every episode since i checked myself) but i wonder if it was true? If it was it would totally fit what happened in this opening. |
Icarusu said: So if i remember correctly, someone posted on a forum about how you could spot The World in the OP (not sure if all of every episode since i checked myself) but i wonder if it was true? If it was it would totally fit what happened in this opening. Only an outline, but yeah. |
Royce said: Whoo, hold your horse everybody. I still enjoyed the tv fight with Dio, but I just don't like it better then the OAV fight. Art and animation on the tv for Dio is not that bad, but it's far from great for it to be biggest fight for part 3. Why is being faithful to the manga ways a plus to a lot people? That's like saying that the first full metal alchemist was bad because it did not follow the manga. The stuff that the OAV changed did not effect the story in any major way. OAV wasn't trying to skip part of the manga, it was trying to alternate the part they felt didn't make sense logically to them or didn't make sense mood wise (because OAV took a more serious tone to it). 1. In the OAV Jotaro did not fly, he was jumping or getting knock around 2. How did Dio hear Jotaro hand move over the walking sound of the cops 3. Why did Jotaro even have magnets and outside of this fight what use did he have for those magnets. It happen to be in his pocket just in case he fight somebody who can freeze time. Sorry, I did miss that were he said that he stuff the books in his shirt while Dio's leg was cut. I still think the idea of the wooden brace is better than idea of the books protecting Jotaro from knives. I think this fight could be almost another episode longer, I didn't even get the chance to feel bad for kakyoin. Not complaining, but giving my own constructive criticism. Still love the tv series though. 1- Dio flew in the OVA countless times , for example the boat scene. 2- Jotaro scratched the ground and vampires have strong hearing senses. 3- Magnet is from his wallet. Wooden Braces may protect better but it's a bit harder to find some , not to mention how would he stuff a brace to his hat ? he didn't right ? which is weird. As far as the episode went this episode is better than the 10 minutes maybe that the OVA had for this part , the crazy part *Next Episode* should be compared to the rest of that OVA episode. As for art even though this will be fixed in BDs as always , and the animation was good in my opinion , even though the OVA has superior animation the designs were too ugly Problem with the OVA is that it is too serious in a non serious show . Also Kakyoin got a way better looking death scene in the TV series. |
AkabawiJun 16, 2015 8:19 PM
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| Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. |
NobotyJun 16, 2015 8:45 PM
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Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. Part 2 aka the part were no one does anything except joseph the inexperienced fighter ? |
AkabawiJun 16, 2015 9:22 PM
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Akabawi said: Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work.Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. Part 2 aka the part were no one does anything except joseph the inexperienced fighter ? P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. |
NobotyJun 16, 2015 10:20 PM
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| The opening was so good tbh. Man, I can't believe its almost over, I really hope we get part 4... |
Noboty said: Akabawi said: Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work.Part 2 aka the part were no one does anything except joseph the inexperienced fighter ? P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. Yet everyone contributed in their own fights , jotaro was way more experienced when he met Dio , jotaro's power was foreshadowed and jotaro relied the whole fight on trickery , in fact a lot of tricks he did Joseph did before in part 2 but it was even easier for joseph in that time since Dio is 10 times more cautious than whammu. Kakyoin saved them a bunch of times , Joseph helped jotaro win Younger D'arby since jotaro is shit at games. Abdul saved Polnareff's life 4 times. Polnareff in that particular episode saved jotaro and vice versa. A lot of fights that jotaro won was due to some trick up his sleeve same as joseph , it's just that I know a lot of people hate his stoicness that they are unable to admit that he is pretty smart. Joseph won 3 fights outta 5 . And as for the OP what about Kars ? he was more OP , in fact at least jotaro can fight with the 1 moment thing and his reliance of trickery. Hell even Iggy helped. |
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| I swear, some people just love to hate on Part 3 because it's not Part 2. Joseph had his time to shine. He had his own story already. It's only natural that he takes a backseat to Jotaro for Part 3. |
Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. I love people who actually comment and reply to threads without even thinking and don't understand how stupid they sound. |
Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work. P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. Except Jotaro doesn't do all of the work. There are many times where the Crusaders are split up in order to defeat a Stand user. On top of that, Joseph isn't on DIO's level. Only a Stand can defeat a Stand, and The World far outclasses Hermit Purple. He might be a talented strategist but he doesn't posses the the capacity to successfully fight DIO. But please explain where the "asspulls" are. |
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Jazzy_Maz said: Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work. P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. Except Jotaro doesn't do all of the work. There are many times where the Crusaders are split up in order to defeat a Stand user. On top of that, Joseph isn't on DIO's level. Only a Stand can defeat a Stand, and The World far outclasses Hermit Purple. He might be a talented strategist but he doesn't posses the the capacity to successfully fight DIO. But please explain where the "asspulls" are. I like SC but just to play devil's advocate that's where some might be turned off (talking about how Joseph is a strategist but it gets overshadowed in SC due to it being Stand power vs. Stand power in a sense). In regards to Jotaro not doing all the work I agree that everyone gets a little shine but at certain stretches I really questioned the writing. I thought the Alessi-Polnareff arc was great. Loved the shine and development he got those entire two episodes but then they end it with Jotaro randomly showing up for 3 minutes at the end and ORAORAORA'ing Alessi to end the arc. I thought stuff like that was lame. That was Polarneff's stretch and it should've been his fight to finish at the very least. There are times where things are written well character-wise and then there are those times where it's feels like the story forcefully defers to Jotaro to sell him to the audience when they don't really need to. |
Kellhus said: Dude what are you talking about? Jotaro flies in the OVA, Star Platinum having the same powers as The World is the entire point of the fight, Jotaro was told about DIO's power by Joseph, and it's specifically shown in both the manga and the anime that DIO hears Jotaro scratch the pavement, not sees it. The pacing is just as bad in the OVA in addition to it skipping crucial scenes, and the horrendous character designs all but cancel out the animation quality (which isn't very impressive to begin with). Also it's really annoying how people applaud Joseph's ludicrous moments like pulling out a machine gun and grenades, but then say Jotaro having magnets and the book armor is unacceptable. This kind of stuff is what the Joestars and the series are all about. this |
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| [quote=Noboty][quote=Akabawi] Noboty said: Of course they have an OP villain to combat the OP MC. And of course the MC is not as OP as the villiain, so they make him go super saiyan so he can be just as OP. Meanwhile, the guy who saved the whole world decades ago and also the most experienced never gets stronger and stays the weakest fighter of all right up to the end, never getting a chance to shine. Just asspull after asspull in favor of the MC. Fuck this part. I knew it wouldn't top part 2. pls drop jojos and fuck off we don't need people like you in this community |
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Ken_of_Hokuto said: Dexthepleb said: holy shit are you fuckers every happy My good sir, I am actually enjoying this series. The fact that I found one episode kinda bad (and not like The Sun bad - that was fucking terrible), doesn't mean I am not enjoying it overall. I just compared it to something that I feel did a better job adapting one thing - likewise, the OVA did a worse job adapting the Vanilla Ice fight, and the series exceeded my expectations. Also, at the same time one could complain about people never being happy, one could also make the case here that "are you people ever sad?", due to plenty of OMG THIS IS AWESOME BEST EPISODE every single week... No need to be uptight about opinions, it's not like I'm being absolutely mad about the characters' color schemes. yea my bad its just tiring seeing the same complaints |
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Noboty said: Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work. P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. Wow. I can't describe how stupid you sound. SC onwards, every character in the main team helps and wins fights every now and then, and the main JoJo sometimes does not even participate in said fight, in contrast with Parts 1 and 2, where EVERY SINGLE FIGHT is won by the JoJo But, let's run them down Hierophant Green: Jotaro wins Tower of Grey: Kakyoin wins Silver Chariot: Avdol wins Dark Blue Moon: Jotaro wins Strength : Jotaro wins Ebony Devil: Polnareff wins Yellow Temperance: Jotaro wins Emperor and Hanged Man: Kakyoin and Polnareff win Empress: Joseph wins Wheel of Fortune: Jotaro wins Justice: Jotaro wins Lovers: Group Effort by Jotaro, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Joseph Sun: Jotaro wins, but it was just throwing a rock. Plus everybody else noticed. Death Thirteen: Kakyoin wins Judgement: Polnareff and Avdol win High Priestess: Jotaro wins N'Doul: Jotaro wins, with Iggy's 'help' Oingo Boingo: Ahm…nobody wins, I guess. They end up losing by themselves. Anubis: Polnareff wins the first fight, Jotaro wins second one Mariah: Avdol and Joseph win Alessi: Jotaro and Polnareff, I guess… D'arby the Gambler: Jotaro wins Hol Horse and Boingo: They lose by themselves again Pet Shop: Iggy D'arby The Player: Jotaro and Joseph win Vanilla Ice: Polnaref and Iggy DIO: Jotaro, thanks to Kakyoin and Joseph who found out and alerted him of The World's power So, There are 27 fights in SC and Jotaro plays a big role in 15 of them. It means he is important in slightly above 50% (~55,5%) of the enemy defeats in his own part. Even if you stretch and consider him key in the defeat of HOL HORSE BOINGO KOMBI~~~~~, he is still only slightly below 60%(Aprox. 59%, btw), so it means that he is not an 'absurdly overpowered protagonist who does 99.99% of the work'. Yes, he ends up being the Crusader with the most exposition (Kakyoin gets 18,5%, Avdol gets 11%, Joseph gets 18,5%, Iggy gets 7% and Polnareff gets 26%), but it's understandable since he is the protagonist. In some fights he is kinda shoehorned in (Alessi) but if there's something you can't complain is the he does everything. |
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delkf said: Noboty said: Yes, I'll take that part that has the inexperienced-yet-clever protagonist over the part that has the inexperienced but absurdly overpowered protagonist that does 99.99 percent of the work. P.S: The Zeppeli of part 2 was more than capable of winning Joseph's fights; his style of fighting was tougher for Wham to defend against, even. Wham even noted that Cars would've struggled more than he did. He just made a costly mistake. Meanwhile, there is NO ONE close Jotaro's level on his team. Wow. I can't describe how stupid you sound. SC onwards, every character in the main team helps and wins fights every now and then, and the main JoJo sometimes does not even participate in said fight, in contrast with Parts 1 and 2, where EVERY SINGLE FIGHT is won by the JoJo But, let's run them down Hierophant Green: Jotaro wins Tower of Grey: Kakyoin wins Silver Chariot: Avdol wins Dark Blue Moon: Jotaro wins Strength : Jotaro wins Ebony Devil: Polnareff wins Yellow Temperance: Jotaro wins Emperor and Hanged Man: Kakyoin and Polnareff win Empress: Joseph wins Wheel of Fortune: Jotaro wins Justice: Jotaro wins Lovers: Group Effort by Jotaro, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Joseph Sun: Jotaro wins, but it was just throwing a rock. Plus everybody else noticed. Death Thirteen: Kakyoin wins Judgement: Polnareff and Avdol win High Priestess: Jotaro wins N'Doul: Jotaro wins, with Iggy's 'help' Oingo Boingo: Ahm…nobody wins, I guess. They end up losing by themselves. Anubis: Polnareff wins the first fight, Jotaro wins second one Mariah: Avdol and Joseph win Alessi: Jotaro and Polnareff, I guess… D'arby the Gambler: Jotaro wins Hol Horse and Boingo: They lose by themselves again Pet Shop: Iggy D'arby The Player: Jotaro and Joseph win Vanilla Ice: Polnaref and Iggy DIO: Jotaro, thanks to Kakyoin and Joseph who found out and alerted him of The World's power So, There are 27 fights in SC and Jotaro plays a big role in 15 of them. It means he is important in slightly above 50% (~55,5%) of the enemy defeats in his own part. Even if you stretch and consider him key in the defeat of HOL HORSE BOINGO KOMBI~~~~~, he is still only slightly below 60%(Aprox. 59%, btw), so it means that he is not an 'absurdly overpowered protagonist who does 99.99% of the work'. Yes, he ends up being the Crusader with the most exposition (Kakyoin gets 18,5%, Avdol gets 11%, Joseph gets 18,5%, Iggy gets 7% and Polnareff gets 26%), but it's understandable since he is the protagonist. In some fights he is kinda shoehorned in (Alessi) but if there's something you can't complain is the he does everything. The 99 percent thing was hyperbole. I concede that. However, tell me: in those fights won by others, how many of them would Jotaro have NOT singlehandedly won if he were there? The only ones he truly would not have own against is Death 13, Atum, Thoth, The World, and Lovers. All the other fights would NOT have been won by Jotaro if he were to face them in place of his teammates? There is nothing unique about his friend's stands that made only them able to fight who they did, Jotaro was just not written to be there. Star Platinum is at least just as fast as Silver chariot; he could've pummeled The Hanged Man in Chariot's Place and done it better since Platinum has more strength. Judgement doesn't have an aversion to physical attacks, Magician's Red isn't the only match for it; Jotaro easily could've beaten it in place of Advol if the writer willed it. Jotaro could have beaten every stand (minus the five I mentioned) alone. Faster and with less effort, at that. That is what I meant by "overpowered." Him not being present at those battles does not make his stand any less so, especially when he's had his stand the least amount of time in the group and has had no training with it. It would've been fine with me with him such strength if he had trained to be the strong, but he hasn't. He starts out as one of the most powerful stand users ever, eclipsing Kakyokin, Avdol, and Polnareff who have all had theirs for years. That is what annoyed me throughout Part 3. The current fight with Dio just makes it worse by giving Jotaro new abilities out of nowhere. Star finger made sense. It was just focusing his stand's powers into one point. Being suddenly able to fly and stop time, meanwhile does not make sense. He didn't demonstrate any inkling of having those abilities before. He has them just because. I finds such story developments boring. |
NobotyJun 18, 2015 5:44 PM
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| The only fights I can think of where Jotaro's opness was a problem were the ones with Hierophant Green (no sells Emerald Splash and then wins), Justice, and High Priestess. The whole being able to fly thing doesn't really matter, it didn't give him the edge over DIO at all and doesn't really change the whole dynamic of their showdown much. Just a weird stylistic choice. Noboty said: He didn't demonstrate any inkling of having those abilities before. He has them just because. I finds such story developments boring. His stand's ability to stop bullets at point blank range may have been a result of him stopping time without even noticing. Might be giving the author too much credit but it's not that hard to buy. |
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| Calling Joseph a strategist is quite the overstatement. Dear lord, he is overrated. |
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tsudecimo said: He's more like a street magician to meCalling Joseph a strategist is quite the overstatement. Dear lord, he is overrated. |
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| [quote=gedata] tsudecimo said: He's more like a street magician to me[/quoteCalling Joseph a strategist is quite the overstatement. Dear lord, he is overrated. That's really his charm imo. They allude to that element in part 2's ending vs. Kars. He's not really supposed to be portrayed as a super genius but a cunning street-smart type. He's never been the strongest. It was never about power with his character. Jonathan was 2 or 3 times the Hamon user Joseph was but it wasn't always about "look at this strong technique" or power vs. power. Quite often it was him using bootleg street tactics or getting creative strategically with what he had to overcome obstacles. Not in every case of course but quite often I'd say. |
| Oh shit this is epic! Really looking forward to see what the last episode will offer us, but compared to the OVA's this is just amazing! |
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Noboty said: delkf said: Wow. I can't describe how stupid you sound. SC onwards, every character in the main team helps and wins fights every now and then, and the main JoJo sometimes does not even participate in said fight, in contrast with Parts 1 and 2, where EVERY SINGLE FIGHT is won by the JoJo But, let's run them down Hierophant Green: Jotaro wins Tower of Grey: Kakyoin wins Silver Chariot: Avdol wins Dark Blue Moon: Jotaro wins Strength : Jotaro wins Ebony Devil: Polnareff wins Yellow Temperance: Jotaro wins Emperor and Hanged Man: Kakyoin and Polnareff win Empress: Joseph wins Wheel of Fortune: Jotaro wins Justice: Jotaro wins Lovers: Group Effort by Jotaro, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Joseph Sun: Jotaro wins, but it was just throwing a rock. Plus everybody else noticed. Death Thirteen: Kakyoin wins Judgement: Polnareff and Avdol win High Priestess: Jotaro wins N'Doul: Jotaro wins, with Iggy's 'help' Oingo Boingo: Ahm…nobody wins, I guess. They end up losing by themselves. Anubis: Polnareff wins the first fight, Jotaro wins second one Mariah: Avdol and Joseph win Alessi: Jotaro and Polnareff, I guess… D'arby the Gambler: Jotaro wins Hol Horse and Boingo: They lose by themselves again Pet Shop: Iggy D'arby The Player: Jotaro and Joseph win Vanilla Ice: Polnaref and Iggy DIO: Jotaro, thanks to Kakyoin and Joseph who found out and alerted him of The World's power So, There are 27 fights in SC and Jotaro plays a big role in 15 of them. It means he is important in slightly above 50% (~55,5%) of the enemy defeats in his own part. Even if you stretch and consider him key in the defeat of HOL HORSE BOINGO KOMBI~~~~~, he is still only slightly below 60%(Aprox. 59%, btw), so it means that he is not an 'absurdly overpowered protagonist who does 99.99% of the work'. Yes, he ends up being the Crusader with the most exposition (Kakyoin gets 18,5%, Avdol gets 11%, Joseph gets 18,5%, Iggy gets 7% and Polnareff gets 26%), but it's understandable since he is the protagonist. In some fights he is kinda shoehorned in (Alessi) but if there's something you can't complain is the he does everything. The 99 percent thing was hyperbole. I concede that. However, tell me: in those fights won by others, how many of them would Jotaro have NOT singlehandedly won if he were there? The only ones he truly would not have own against is Death 13, Atum, Thoth, The World, and Lovers. All the other fights would NOT have been won by Jotaro if he were to face them in place of his teammates? There is nothing unique about his friend's stands that made only them able to fight who they did, Jotaro was just not written to be there. Star Platinum is at least just as fast as Silver chariot; he could've pummeled The Hanged Man in Chariot's Place and done it better since Platinum has more strength. Judgement doesn't have an aversion to physical attacks, Magician's Red isn't the only match for it; Jotaro easily could've beaten it in place of Advol if the writer willed it. Jotaro could have beaten every stand (minus the five I mentioned) alone. Faster and with less effort, at that. That is what I meant by "overpowered." Him not being present at those battles does not make his stand any less so, especially when he's had his stand the least amount of time in the group and has had no training with it. It would've been fine with me with him such strength if he had trained to be the strong, but he hasn't. He starts out as one of the most powerful stand users ever, eclipsing Kakyokin, Avdol, and Polnareff who have all had theirs for years. That is what annoyed me throughout Part 3. The current fight with Dio just makes it worse by giving Jotaro new abilities out of nowhere. Star finger made sense. It was just focusing his stand's powers into one point. Being suddenly able to fly and stop time, meanwhile does not make sense. He didn't demonstrate any inkling of having those abilities before. He has them just because. I finds such story developments boring. 1. His stand can't fly. That whole floating thing was just a stylistic choice. 2. Lisa Lisa, Joseph, and Caesar could've teamed up to defeat Wham if the author willed it. Did that bug you too? 3. I'm pretty sure that Jotaro wouldn't have been able to defeat Hanged man. It really didn't seem like Hanged man could get damaged by physical force. Jotaro couldn't defeat Vanilla ice, either. His stand wouldn't have been able to damage him without getting sucked into the Dark Dimension. He couldn't beat Tower of Gray, and whether he could beat Petshop or not is highly debatable. 4. There was an explanation in this episode that said why Jotaro didn't stop time before now. That's why he didn't do it before this episode. |
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| Man it looked like Jotaro was flying now it looks weird. I defiantly prefered the vanilla Ice fight over this. |
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| man and here I thought Dio would finally die I guess putting him down will really take time. btw how can Jotaro more when Dio stops the time? |
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PrimeX said: man and here I thought Dio would finally die I guess putting him down will really take time. btw how can Jotaro more when Dio stops the time? Jotaro also has the power to stop time. |
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Fadeout4 said: The whole Jonathan Stand theory seems like nonsense because Stands are physical manifestations of your fighting spirit. Jonathan's spirit is dead. It died when his brain died. And besides, it makes no sense for Jonathan and Joseph to have the exact same Stands. By that logic, Jotaro would have a Hermit Purple as well. Plus, the theory originates from Over Heaven, which is not canon. It's basically a glorified fanfic with Araki's artwork in it, lol. Wait, if let just say it because of stolen abilities, doesn't that mean if Dio kill Jotaro, Dio The World will be gone too because The World power is from Star Platinum? PrimeX said: man and here I thought Dio would finally die I guess putting him down will really take time. btw how can Jotaro more when Dio stops the time? More? -EDIT- nvm, I think you mean move. |
ZapredonAug 1, 2015 10:53 AM
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Zapredon said: Fadeout4 said: The whole Jonathan Stand theory seems like nonsense because Stands are physical manifestations of your fighting spirit. Jonathan's spirit is dead. It died when his brain died. And besides, it makes no sense for Jonathan and Joseph to have the exact same Stands. By that logic, Jotaro would have a Hermit Purple as well. Plus, the theory originates from Over Heaven, which is not canon. It's basically a glorified fanfic with Araki's artwork in it, lol. Wait, if let just say it because of stolen abilities, doesn't that mean if Dio kill Jotaro, Dio The World will be gone too because The World power is from Star Platinum? PrimeX said: man and here I thought Dio would finally die I guess putting him down will really take time. btw how can Jotaro more when Dio stops the time? More? -EDIT- nvm, I think you mean move. I don't think so, no. |
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| The whole time stop thing doesn't make it much of an enjoyable fight tbh. |
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Avenger-senpai said: The whole time stop thing doesn't make it much of an enjoyable fight tbh. Why do you feel this way? |
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| that flying part was dumb as fuck.. same with the magazines Oo |
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Romeo said: They weren't flying.that flying part was dumb as fuck.. same with the magazines Oo That was just a weird visual thing that they did to make that bit seem more epic. |
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| the ost when HE hurt his legs was nice. |
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| the modified opening was really awesome. I also thought Jotaro was being pretty damn clever in battle. Except now Dio's in his final form! One episode left! totally hyped! |
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