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Ilasma said: Blackmirror94 said: Due to of the outcome in zero, the holy grail war starts 20 years earlier than regular. So the hires of each founder family are much younger than usually. How should most of the participants know about everything of the past grail war? Most of them were still kids during this time lol He actually tried to visit illya! There a conversation of fujimura and sakura about kiritsugu in lost butterfly. Illya overheard his conversation in that scene. Kiritsugu traveled alot to a foreign country, because he wanted to find someone important. Why he didn't find illya? Isn't explained exactly. Most likely, the Einzbern Family prevent him to do so. Most of the mages are very cold hearted and they might didn't want him to interfere with illya's preparations for the next grail war. Furthermore, kiritsugu destroyed the grail instead of obtaining him for the Einzbern family, so he is probably seen as a traitor. Thats my explanation if I consider every scene of the anime. Generally the grail war happens every 60 years, correct? So that would make the 5th war 50 years too early than it should. But yeah, you re right about the rest. IIRC it is mentioned at the end of FZ as well, Kiritsugu tried to see Illya after the fourth war but the Einzbern did not allow that to happen because of his betrayal (destroying the grail). Yes you're right! I remembered something about 30 years.. So thanks for the correction :) |
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| Damn that fight between Gilgadaddy and Shirou was so good. Also EXCALIBUR!!!! |
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| Not my favourite route definitely, DEEN's final moments was better, putting animations aside. This had epic moments and Archer story was the best but after that nothing new. The decision to make somehow Archer alive is pretty much just to keep the fans happy. It made no sense. Unless I missed something which I rarely do in a show like this. |
Ilasma said: Things I liked in this episode: - Archer still alive! - Idiot grows some balls and becomes badass - Really epic battle! - As much as I love him, seeing troubled Gilgamesh was kind of satisfying - Final goodbye with Archer and Rin - woman, you should have gone for him! Rin asking him for a new pact was really sweet. I really liked their relationship throughout the series, even if it should have had more screentime - Saber & Rin, they work so well together! I guess Rin would be the ideal Master of any non twisted Servant, having chemistry with 3 of them Things that left me a bit ?_?: - Archer still alive? How? - Idiot managing defeating Gilgamesh... how? - Archer new hairstyle Things I didn't like: - Shinji still alive Archer was alive because he shifted to spirit form at the last second shirou won because of UBW being a good counter and Gils ego |
leev said: Not my favourite route definitely, DEEN's final moments was better, putting animations aside. This had epic moments and Archer story was the best but after that nothing new. The decision to make somehow Archer alive is pretty much just to keep the fans happy. It made no sense. Unless I missed something which I rarely do in a show like this. Archer survived because he shifted to spirit form at the last second its not explained but thats hes alive plus he also castes rho alias on shirou.The finale battle was hella lit |
| [quote=Dull_Lull message=50180861] i thought they were too focused with gil plus i think archers mana must be pretty for them to not detect it? and he probably got out of there pretty quickly but even if its true i think its a nitpick |
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matheoo41 said: ImbalancedEmblem said: Lmao... I decide to go back to this thread years later and there's still people bitching about this. Also, Fukasawa composed UBW, not Kajiura(she does compose HF though). Well, my mistake, still: music=good story/pacing/execution=butchered I think now (years after the show aired) it should be clear. i disagree but i think its ok to have an opinion |
| Wait how is Archer still alive? Did I miss something |
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| Shirou's power scale is really absurd, there is no one who believes it, you can tell that all this comes from a visual novel in which the world revolves around his d***ck lmao |
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| That was really a stupid episode. Shiro becomes a godlike force in just a second, what a pathetic idea is this. There a huge difference between Fate/Zero and this Stupidity Fate/Stay Night. Really they blew it up!!! |
Nazgool said: That was really a stupid episode. Shiro becomes a godlike force in just a second, what a pathetic idea is this. There a huge difference between Fate/Zero and this Stupidity Fate/Stay Night. Really they blew it up!!! Fate Zero is garbage compared to FSN. Fate/Zero has a shallow and childish view of PTSD, it was garbage and not in depth. The Themes in Fate/Zero are hardly anything thought provoking considering how surface level they are. As for your comments, Shirou became "godlike" only because 1. He was facing against gilgamesh, GOB is countered by UBW easily 2. Shirou got his powers from archer via time paradox and because of Eye of the Mind Skill, which adds to the consistency of Fate Stay Night. |
| Seeing Gilgamesh's death was satisfying for me. Archer (Emiya) will always be remembered. Good conclusion for the series. |
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| Saber: *arrives on the scene* "Shirou, I'll take over from here." Shirou: "No, go help Rin, I'll handle Gilgamesh." Saber: "Why are you dumb as shit" Shirou: "I'm not dumb, whoever wrote this script is dumb as shit" Maybe it was portrayed better in the first fate stay night since that was more of a Saber-focused route after all, but I still kind of wished that they'd have included at least a little reaction for Saber as she realizes what the grail really is. Or maybe she had already kind of knew beforehand, not just from UBW, but from fate zero? Did she disappear right after she excaliber'd the shit out of it? Has she lost her memories of that grail war when she was placed into this one? Anyhow, I just wish we could've see an expression of despair from Saber as she realizes her wish won't be able to be fulfilled. Instead she seems kind of happy, "ok I'll go save Rin now, yay!" I love characters in anime who talk a lot of shit- BUT are able to back up everything they say 100%. Gilgamesh is one of those characters.... almost... until he got rekt by a kid. But I understand how Shirou was able to rekt him hard, I totally didn't get it the first time I watched this years ago. So from what I understand, since Shirou was able to see his future life through Archer, he used his copying/projection ability, to COPY Archer's life, and gain all his powers, as we see he uses that flower shield that Archer used against Lancer earlier. How he does it, I have no idea, but at least I kind of get how he was able to level the playing field with Gilgamesh. Although it still makes no sense because Gilgamesh would've solo'ed a full power Archer anyway. Ok I gotta say though, Shirou beating Gilgamesh was pretty awesome, especially with that soundtrack in the background boosting the adrenaline pumping scene even further. The first time I saw this scene I remember being bummed out so bad, like "how tf is Shirou beating this guy". I understand it a LITTLE better now, somewhat, as to why that it is, but it still doesn't really make any sense to me. But the technical stuff doesn't matter. Shirou getting the better of Gilgamesh was pretty sick actually. And then the black hole grail comes to take Gilgamesh away for some reason, but that's not what finishes him off officially: it's a shot from Archer, who's still around, somewhere, somehow. I liked that scene at the end where Archer says his goodbyes to Rin though. I feel like destroying the world-ending holy grail is pretty much as good as it gets to fulfilling his ideals of saving the world. And besides that, he fulfilled his purpose, unbeknownst to him or not, he saved himself, Shirou, by coming to this age, and making sure that he was set on the right path. If you're watching unlimited bladeworks in 2023 and beyond and you saw any of the mini-rants I've been leaving in these episode discussions, I'm sorry for the walls of text, and I'm sorry for hurting your feelings if you're a big fan of this series and how ufotable handled it, and think that it's good. I however, just don't think it wasn't that good. I do not intend to make anyone malding with anger, I just needed a somewhat-public place to vent. Maybe it's because I didn't understand everything properly, and that's fair, that's on me for not reading the visual novels. But I still don't give enough of a fuck to spend the average time needed to complete red dead redemption 2 reading those visual novels. I'm here just for the anime, because ufotable is a top tier anime studio; and if you think otherwise, give me whatever you're on right now. Visually spectacular, but did they handle it well enough with more limited screen time as opposed to visuals, from a writing standpoint? Again, I don't know, and I don't care enough to find out. I'm just judging based on what I've seen, and what I've seen looked great and sounded great, But the amount of questions left unanswered, at least from my perspective, is close to astronomical. I'll automatically improve my opinion on UBW by assuming ufotable didn't make this with the intent of appealing to anime-onlies fresh to the fate-verse as the first priority in mind. Rather, I'm going to believe that it's a love letter to the visual novels, bring it to life with flash and flare. And they've done that, from a visual standpoint of course. The writing standpoint, is a question, for someone who is actually a visual novel reader, not me. All things considered, it's still a good 7/10 anime. I just have a heck ton of nitpicks to throw at it. Anyway, now onto watch the epilogue. |
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| a lot of backlash but idk since i didn't do the VN but i thought it was great. bittersweet in some ways. |
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| ....that was absolutely hilarious. Well, at least it can serve as an example of how NOT to write a story... |
| UBW Shirou being cool asf + Excalibur!!! I kinda dislike the fact that Shirou didn't fully win, or did he? Because EMIYA Archer lands the final head shot to Gil yeesh and i though he died alr by Gil back then. Anyhoo gonna miss Archer so much huhu ;-; |
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| The asspull.. Archer came out of nowhere and saved the day, but I didn't mind it, gave both Archer and Rin some closure. |
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