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Jan 22, 2023 9:31 AM
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Incredibly fun and unique editing, loved the parallels between the conspiracy theory docu cuts and Lain's ongoing inner turmoil.
Jan 30, 2023 10:47 AM

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I dont know what's going on in this series, I'm rlly confused :c

Feb 14, 2023 12:02 AM

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Ok but why is the sis all wacko and stuff
No cap I really liked Mysterious Girlfriend X
Feb 24, 2023 3:09 AM
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starcorea said:
I think that the documentary was very relevant. The documentary was interesting in that it implied that by creating the internet, we are becoming like one huge network; and by comparing this network to the neurons in our brains, it seems that this network (or the 'Wired') would allow us to become like one entity, creating neuron pathways through information and communication.

I think the part with the alien and bit about Roswell was supposed to show how Lain was becoming more and more detached from reality, as the wired and the real world begin to collide and overlap. The aliens signify her own alienation and how different she perceives the rest of humanity to be. The episode also highlights the question of what reality is. As the Knights are supposedly changing the past through their omnipotent control over the wired, Lain is unsure of what has happened or if indeed, she has lost control of herself and is committing all of these acts whilst in some sort of semi-conscious state. On top of this, Lain is confronted with the concept of 'deleting' the past through the wired, and this challenges the concept of history. In the same way that The Ministry of Truth deleted the past in Nineteen Eighty-Four through modification of past events, Lain is shown that through the wired, it is possible to erase all evidence of something ever existing, and in doing so, effectively 'deleting' something from time and space altogether.

I think much of what is spoken about in SEL can be related to the current situation of the world. The fact that we are constantly being bombarded with information and propaganda means that we start to lose our sense of reality too, although not to the same extent that Lain does. Equally, as it becomes easier to connect with people all over the world, perhaps we are slowly becoming this 'one entity', each human being as one neuron, creating one massive brain through our communicative network...

I've only just finished ep8 though, so my opinions will probably change once I've seen the whole thing. :)
starcorea said:
I think that the documentary was very relevant. The documentary was interesting in that it implied that by creating the internet, we are becoming like one huge network; and by comparing this network to the neurons in our brains, it seems that this network (or the 'Wired') would allow us to become like one entity, creating neuron pathways through information and communication.

I think the part with the alien and bit about Roswell was supposed to show how Lain was becoming more and more detached from reality, as the wired and the real world begin to collide and overlap. The aliens signify her own alienation and how different she perceives the rest of humanity to be. The episode also highlights the question of what reality is. As the Knights are supposedly changing the past through their omnipotent control over the wired, Lain is unsure of what has happened or if indeed, she has lost control of herself and is committing all of these acts whilst in some sort of semi-conscious state. On top of this, Lain is confronted with the concept of 'deleting' the past through the wired, and this challenges the concept of history. In the same way that The Ministry of Truth deleted the past in Nineteen Eighty-Four through modification of past events, Lain is shown that through the wired, it is possible to erase all evidence of something ever existing, and in doing so, effectively 'deleting' something from time and space altogether.

I think much of what is spoken about in SEL can be related to the current situation of the world. The fact that we are constantly being bombarded with information and propaganda means that we start to lose our sense of reality too, although not to the same extent that Lain does. Equally, as it becomes easier to connect with people all over the world, perhaps we are slowly becoming this 'one entity', each human being as one neuron, creating one massive brain through our communicative network...

I've only just finished ep8 though, so my opinions will probably change once I've seen the whole thing. :)


Wow I didn’t get any of that on my first watch.
Feb 24, 2023 12:57 PM
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idk what to say btw im the only one that look from the ep i am i have understood everything about the wired and etc but when someone asks me to explain serial experiments lain in my words... i just cant btw lets all love lain and also lain is better than you<3
Mar 16, 2023 8:23 AM
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Mar 2023
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wtf is happening dawg
Apr 8, 2023 11:48 PM

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I like how this episode is paced, with alternating trivia and the usual schizophrenia.
Apr 29, 2023 11:05 AM

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I feel like I'm on a bad acid trip but for some reason I can't stop

was the creator trying to say that the internet is created by aliens and crazy us scientists to try and deter japanese youth from using it at the time?

man I'll be watching all the explanation vids after I'm done with the series, this is the wildest anime I've watched so far, not even close
May 17, 2023 10:55 AM

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I'm slowly starting to kind of understand some things.
May 23, 2023 3:45 AM
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Feb 2019
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taro with the bubblegum kiss lmao
Jun 2, 2023 7:31 AM

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I laughed my heart when I saw the alien on the first frames of the ep ahah
The show starts to increase its quality exponentially
Jun 14, 2023 7:15 PM

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I think I understand better now. It's just a big neural oscillation manipulation. No wonder the guy went crazy and start shooting in the club. He was just too brainwashed from using the internet. 


Let's see what Lain is going to talk about with this top hacker.
Jun 17, 2023 7:08 PM

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ayyLmao cover yer bottoms ther be ayys aboot

in all seriousness i love the conspiracy stuff. all conspiracy theories eventually become conspiracy fact as demonstrated time and time again irl.
Jul 22, 2023 1:31 AM

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Original Thoughts:

Thoughts upon Rewatch:
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Jul 26, 2023 3:12 AM

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This was made from the mind of an actual schizophrenic person. I cant believe the amount of info that resonates with almost nothing lol
Sep 30, 2023 7:31 PM
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Having just watched the episode tonight (admittingly for probably the 10th time over the years), my take away is not that literally aliens are involved with the Wire's creation but that people believed in the Roswell crash and aliens and so it effectively became real. Not because it really happened but because people believe it did and once that becomes enough in the public conscious, that is all that matters. They are providing an equivalent to what is happening in the show. This further ties into the concepts with Masami Eiri brought up in the next episode.

"What it was has yet to be proven. Conjecture has become fact, and rumor has become history."
Quiddity131Sep 30, 2023 7:38 PM
Oct 20, 2023 1:14 PM

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history channel conspiracy bs bro




Nov 2, 2023 8:42 PM

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I was able to follow things smoothly enough up until now, but must say this episode is bouncing around like a superball! I'm getting the meaning of it all, but WHOA is this one ever giving you a lot to take in at once compared to a lot of moody and minimalist episodes before this.
Dec 5, 2023 7:09 PM

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This anime makes no sense.
Dec 10, 2023 3:45 AM

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With the reference to MJ-12 and Roswell, I think that if you like the game Deus Ex, you might like this anime.
Jan 17, 2024 2:53 AM

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This anime is absolutely insane I love it so much lmao
Feb 1, 2024 11:29 AM
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i take back everything i said about starting to get whats happening lol. now we got some fucking aliens and its starting to be a documentary? really interesting to say the least. lain also got a smooch how nice
Feb 24, 2024 5:57 PM

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if it came out today this episode would be labeled dangerous information and a threat to security
Mar 19, 2024 11:48 PM
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That had to be the tackiest way they could handle the lore dumping. Still hooked
May 19, 2024 1:15 PM
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SO FASCINATING! It's great!
Jun 9, 2024 6:37 PM

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man they lost me when they started yapping abt some smart people stuff, i just kinda tapped outa reality during that whole documentary part and came back when it got to the stuff my 3 braincells can comprehend. also i want to kidnap that alien that lain saw and keep it as a pet.

( im not gonna try and figure out the stuff i couldnt comprehend because im too busy doing pot)
( police if u see this im not actually doing pot pls dont send me to alligators again)
Aug 22, 2024 12:07 AM

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Yeah i think this was the most fever dream episode yet. The way the ep started with an Alien documentary then an actual Alien appearing in Lain's room, dressed up as well, immediately told me i was cooked from the get go.

Kinda sad they left the events of last episode with Lain choking a supposed other "Lain" on a cliff-hanger. I'm still wrapping my head if this Lain of the Wired is actually a whole other Lain or just one of Lain's personalities, there were some hints this ep that could possibly point to it being a separate body such as the more serious Lain that usually talks to the anonymous voices in the Wired telling Taro, "I don't know whether or not there's another me in the wired." so it seems she doesn't even know herself.
Some other quotes like, "But there's definitely no other me here in the real world." and "The other one with a body had only appeared in the club." all feels important to help decipher my questions but honestly my brain feels so fried from this episode alone to try and understand it.

Pretty interesting that Taro has a connection to the Knights, and that they tried to get Lain to plug in a device that would "reset her memory" although then exclaiming that they find Lain interesting because of something strange to do with her.
Lain's parents also 100% in the know with what's going on behind the scenes and her father feels deep rooted in the backstory, the way her parents were preparing for everyone to suddenly liquidise into Fanta Orange was a massive tell. Also wtf is happening to Mika, she literally feels like an innocent that got hit with a stray bullet in this story, she looks like she's been reduced to room temperature IQ and for what reason.

Honestly the scenes where it switched to history documentaries sent my brain through a fucking loop, the two last things i'd thought i'd ever see in this show is Aliens and actual history documentations. I know shit all about history, but I definitely think each documentary was real and had some relevance meaning to the plot, but my ass is not doing the math and i'm just gonna settle on it being a really cool elaborate technique of building up suspense using real world history to the reveal the shows own plot device.
What i took away from the ending was a crazy Doctor secretly added some device into the 7th generation machinery which let people unconsciously connect to the Wired before dipping. So i feel like this adds another layer onto the plot point of "Wired leaking into reality" since people could be in the Wired without even knowing.

The ending was also just insane, the cliff-hanger of the Doctor appearing in front of Lain's house with bandages on his scars and an aged body looking like he's ready for a fight was not what i was expecting.
Sep 3, 2024 5:58 PM

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Damn that alien got DRIP like holy shit he was dressed and everything.

Absolutely loved the episode.
Sep 12, 2024 11:09 PM

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Why was the documentary kinda intriguing lmao

Damn, the family has lost it.
Nov 16, 2024 11:23 AM
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this is perfect i think is the best anime i've seen in my life
Dec 8, 2024 1:15 AM
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Reply to aero
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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How did the random documentary on aliens and communication connect with the story?
@aero I know lol I saw that and was like "I guess there's aliens now"

Also don't mind me responding to this fifteen years later ahahhaahha
Jan 8, 12:22 AM

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it's like ok and not at the same time, let us end that and may the Force be with us
Jan 13, 12:54 PM
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it was the weirdest thing i have seen, i love it sm
Feb 11, 10:50 AM
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Intense, so intense! Had to pull out my notebook so I could write everything down and piece it altogether.

My initial theory, which was Lain is god on the wired, who came to experience what life in the real world is like, is a bit adjusted--she is still god, but instead of coming to experience what life is like, it's more like she is piercing through to connect the two world together, basically making the neural network for earth come true.

She previously took that chip and that made her part of this family--and that personality, the meek one, is a result of the chip. I like that personality though, so I'm hoping it's not that.

Maybe the aliens provided the 12 men with the knowledge of how to connect the two worlds, so that earth can become conscious, just like how their planet might've gained consciousness.
Feb 11, 11:27 AM

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Intense, so intense! Had to pull out my notebook so I could write everything down and piece it altogether.

My initial theory, which was Lain is god on the wired, who came to experience what life in the real world is like, is a bit adjusted--she is still god, but instead of coming to experience what life is like, it's more like she is piercing through to connect the two world together, basically making the neural network for earth come true.

She previously took that chip and that made her part of this family--and that personality, the meek one, is a result of the chip. I like that personality though, so I'm hoping it's not that.

Maybe the aliens provided the 12 men with the knowledge of how to connect the two worlds, so that earth can become conscious, just like how their planet might've gained consciousness.
@piripara

You are making the mistake of thinking there is only one and true explanation of the anime's story.
Mar 10, 3:20 PM

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Sometimes, I just wished I could watch an episode of Serial Experiments Lain and fully understand it.

Anyways, this episode showed us the backstory of how and why the Wired was created, and what the 7th protocol pretends to do. Basically, with the 7th protocol, people can access the Wired (aka, the internet) with their own minds, making us all connected to each other, a truly worlwide community. This idea is actually frightning, imagine not being able to keep things to your self, or just close yourself to the world, and just being constantly bombarded with information.
What the anime also showed this episode is that Lain really isn't part of her family, but just literally inserted in that family. I suspect that she is there to be part of an experiment, that we have been seeing for a long time, that is Lain is what the 7th protocol is about. Her mind is directly connected to the Wired, which in return is connected to everyone.
This idea explains a lot of stuff though. Especially, how did Lain know that Arisu had a crush on her teacher and had sexual fantasies with him. Lain knew because she can connect with her mind. It also explains the whole "deleting" scene from the last episode.
We algo got the confirmation that Lain's dad really works at Tachibana, and has something to do with this "Lain" project. The way he said this episode, when Lain was confronting Toro, that "it's almost done", as if Lain's purpose is almost fulfilled, seems to point out that Lain really is just an experiment for them. It also explains the title of the anime "Serial Experiments Lain"

We also got to know that Toro was part of the knights, and he was the one inserting into people's memories the "Wild Lain", that never existed in real life. It also seems like the Knights wanted to insert in Lain's computer some kind of virus, which, considering Lain is directly connected to the Wires, would also affect her. It seems the Knights want Lain to start questioning her own existence, and the line between her real self and her Wired self, which what was hapenning last episode. Why do they want to do that? I don't know.
But hey, Lain got a boyfriend from all of this, I guess.

I still don't understand what really happened to her sister though. Is she really stuck to the wired? Who was she thinking to call?

Also, were all of those "historical" facts shown in the episode made up, or some were actually real?

I don't know, I feel like I'm understanding what the anime is doing right now, but there are so many things that happened that I just don't really understand or why were they showed to us. Who is this God they still talk about? Wasn't Lain the God?
Mar 10, 3:21 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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How did the random documentary on aliens and communication connect with the story?
aero said:
How did the random documentary on aliens and communication connect with the story?


I completely forgot the Alien thing, like, where did that come from? It was so creepy too.
Mar 10, 3:24 PM

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We start the episode and we are already high in the creepy bar. We take a look to the little guy with the red/green stripped shirt that was mentioned before and while we see how lain goes to Cyberia to retrieve a chip from the knights and go on a date with taro, we heard about random fact trough the human history

July 4, 1947: Crashed unknown craft in new Mexico.

1984: Release of a video about the MJ-12 Document, with information about Vannevar Bush and how these people concluded a secret treaty with extraterrestrials.

1945: The MEMEX memory expansion concept unveiled by Vannevar Bush

1954: John C. Lilly experiments with the isolation tank to prove human unconscious.

1960: Project Xanadu created by Ted nelson, basically a giant HDD in the space witch access from earth. Also the concept of hypertext .

???: Douglas Rushkoff propose that the Earth itself could become a neural network explaining it trough the Schumann resonances.

Finally the conclusion of this whole history, we learn about how Eiri Masami (Chief Researcher at Tachibana General Labs) developed the hypothesis of a worldwide neural network, he embedded his own consciousness in the project and was fired when Tashibana Labs heard about this, he was also found dead after that, and yeah that was probably the scene we see in the first episode when lain is in the train and she sees blood in the wires outside, later on she sees how a girl?! with long hair is killed by the train... well is probably related with this story.

So Masami is probably the kamisama (god) of the wired who is trying to control lain, we don't know who is lain yet though, but if you pay attention you can see lain's father in this pic, what makes you think that lain is some kind of experiment and her father is the one responsible of her physical body, that also would explain the scene where she's received at home by her family and the name of the fucking show.

We also learn about taro, he's kinda of a pawn from the knights, he doesn't know much about it, he talks about how the knights want to make the real true the only true?.
TyrantRC said:
Finally the conclusion of this whole history, we learn about how Eiri Masami (Chief Researcher at Tachibana General Labs) developed the hypothesis of a worldwide neural network, he embedded his own consciousness in the project and was fired when Tashibana Labs heard about this, he was also found dead after that, and yeah that was probably the scene we see in the first episode when lain is in the train and she sees blood in the wires outside, later on she sees how a girl?! with long hair is killed by the train... well is probably related with this story.


Also this, although the final scene made me kinda confused, it really seems like the accident that Lain witnessed was the Eiri Masami one. And that he is indeed behind this too.
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