Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi Episode 3 Discussion

kenshin_sama said:

I'm not sure I'm reading your question right, but I'll try to answer. If everyone else suffers a fatal attack, they stop moving; if they're buried, they die. When Hampnie suffers a fatal wound, he recovers from it. There hasn't been anything to imply an exemption of him dying if he is buried by a grave keeper.

kenshin_sama said:

Pay better attention to what he says. He killed them out of spite for how God handled the world. Why wouldn't she bury him? It'd be a great act of kindness to fulfill a man's dying wish (especially if it's your father). And Hampnie wanted to die in a way that people would mourn for him, and that moment was the most ideal time for it to happen.

newnar said:


Wait. I thought ANYBODY can revive after receiving fatal attack via "what god did"? I was asking about the difference between this(dead people coming back to life) and Astin's immortal ability(coming back to life after dying). What seems to be the difference and how can others tell that he revived as a zombie and not by his own ability?



Well that makes sense if you assert that Astin puts more priority on "hating the undead" than loving his own daughter. If that was indeed his dying wish(to immediately die with others mourning him) EVEN after meeting his long lost daughter, then this guy has some really weird priorities.

retsurai said:
So.... Hambart is dead. The question remains, should i keep watching?
cuz the idea was the girl and her badass father going nuts but now, now it seems like another kawaii girl anime going into an adventure which i call boring.

symbv said:
An underwhelming episode. Not really much questions answered except the final confirmation of the relationship between Hambert and Ai and Hambert giving a clearer idea of what death he wants, and things just happened out of convenience -- Conveniently Hambert did not have a picture of Hana and conveniently the hunter got one to show to Ai just after Hambert got captured. We don't even know what the nasty gang wants from Hambert and why the leader got so shocked by what Hambert said of his wish about his death. And the lingering questions about why Hambert had to kill dead people right away, even though they may still be able to show love and care to a living person, is not explained. His violent treatment of Ai earlier was not clearly explained either - so I find myself hard to feel for his death.

After watching this episode I went to Japanese forums to look at the comments. What I found out there is a lot of the questions and confusion I mentioned above were convincingly explained in the LN, particularly about why Hambert killed the dead people in the case of the hunter and Ai's village, and why the understanding regarding dead people are so different between Hambert and Ai. Since all these were cut or rushed in the anime, I can only conclude that the adaptation here is poorly done.

This series is a disappointment to me. On the other hand, I heard that the coming City of the Dead story is a lot more engaging and interesting, so I hope I would be able to enjoy this anime more in later episodes.

KanPaTo said:
so can you tell us the LN explanations. I really want to know!

symbv said:
OK, just a few critical things that the anime cut or rushed as I don't want to go to full details:

Shangetsu said:

@Point 1: What god granted to humans was eternity, not what you consider "immortality".
Their souls will not leave their bodies but it doesn't mean that their bodies will continue working no matter what. If someone's head is blasted off (Or any extremely lethal damage that will physiology-wise not allow the person to move), he/she will become a corpse but his/her soul will not be able to leave that corpse to go to either hell or paradise until a grave-keepers do a proper burial.

Hambart's immortality is the result of his wish to God (We have no information about the wish itself but I think it's safe to presume that it was along the lines of "I do not want to die before meeting my beloved").
It's very different from the eternity granted to the rest of the humans as it doesn't allow him to die. Once lethally wounded, his wound will instantly heal (Just like when he got shot by Yuri).

Shangetsu said:

@Point 2 : There are many reason that justify Hambart's decision.
The dead, aren't human anymore. They will become more and more selfish and their body will worsen until they are in a state where they cannot think straight and will attack anyone on sight.
This is inevitable no matter what he'd do because that is the fate of those that are dead.
This is painful but if he had continued to live with Ai their bonds would have become stronger, they would be happy together... for a short time. He will inevitably end up attacking Ai and will kill her or Ai will have to kill her own father with her own two hands. The pain at that time will be exponentially greater depending on how close they become.
That's not a future you want to put yourself and the ones you love through.

His immortality was lifted the moment his wish was fulfilled. When he heard about the fate of Hana and lost any reason to pursue his goal to find her, there was no reason for his immortality to remains as it was a gift from God to help him to pursue that goal.

newnar said:
Hmm that makes sense....EXCEPT how did Astin's body continue working for that one last day, where he should've stopped working due to the immortality leaving at the bandits' house. According to this theory he should be reverted to a normal person, where his soul stayed in his body but he in reality would remain as an unmoving corpse. But he obviously woke up and played with Ai for a full day before getting buried.

Shangetsu said:
@Point 2 : There are many reason that justify Hambart's decision.
The dead, aren't human anymore. They will become more and more selfish and their body will worsen until they are in a state where they cannot think straight and will attack anyone on sight.
This is inevitable no matter what he'd do because that is the fate of those that are dead.
This is painful but if he had continued to live with Ai their bonds would have become stronger, they would be happy together... for a short time. He will inevitably end up attacking Ai and will kill her or Ai will have to kill her own father with her own two hands. The pain at that time will be exponentially greater depending on how close they become.
That's not a future you want to put yourself and the ones you love through.

symbv said:
Indeed he reverted to a normal person, and in this world a normal person becomes a walking dead person after death, and this is what Hambart became at the end of the episode.

newnar said:
Lol my original question was about how one discerns if his revival was due to his immortality or by the fact that everyone becomes a walking dead. It doesn't seem to me like there is any difference.

symbv said:
This is explained in this episode - the hunter said even if he was blown to pieces he could come back to its original healthy form - in fact he tried to deter his attackers by trying to blow himself as well as the attackers into pieces. I don't think this is possible in the case of the walking dead.

newnar said:
Yea but the thing is when he supposedly "lost his immortality" in the barnhouse he wasn't in the state of "blown to pieces". In fact, he was perfectly physiologically sound. So at this point, how do they judge if he revives via his immortality or walking-deadness?

symbv said:
Oh, you mean that. Actually all "grave guardian" has the ability to tell a walking dead and a living person apart. Ai may not know how to tell them apart due to her unique background, but Scar definitely can.

And I am not sure if there are external telltale signs like breathing or heartbeat that can tell them apart. The anime definitely is not very clear about that.

newnar said:
Ahh I see. Finally, some definitive answer to my doubts. Very very good show, despite these little things. They way they handle character progression is seemingly little yet very effective.

kuuurt said:
Also, didn't like the song when loli gravedigger cries.