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papsoshea said: SSL443 said: Bingo! It's laughable. Also, I don't see Vic Mignogna acting like Naofumi at all, he's handling this situation as any other normal person would. His so-called struggles fail in comparison to how convenient everything has been for him so far. Everything comes easy. The so-called weakest hero turns out to have abilities that are ridiculously broken. The fans (the hardcore ones that feel it's their duty in life to defend this show) can't keep their story straight, just like how Raphtalia only sees Naofumi as a Father figure. Just like how there is no harem troupes or eventual harem. All this show did was start off like other trash isekai and fantasy where it starts off with some edge that causes an uproar, lots of people flock to show to see what the hype is about since it's being hailed for being dark and mature - only to find out episodes later that it turns into a generic power fantasy with harem troupes.Really? I thought it was only the nobles and some of the royal family that were against him. Seems like the fans can't keep their story straight. This dude was inconvenienced for perhaps a couple weeks, but he goes around acting like he had it worse than Jean Valjean from Les Miserables. Huge chip on his shoulder for no reason. I do hope the new group of people that joined up for the team doesn't just come and go when Waves appear and end. Him having more people in his team (a lot older people and not all girls) is better than what it's been doing so far. Also lol at the part of Naofumi wanting to back to his world. there needs to be some actual exposition on why Naofumi liked his real life so much. From what I saw, he had a mundane life of a typical Japanese loser. The idea would stick if like if he had a girlfriend or something he holds dear back home and want to get back to see them, or had finally achieved something they'd worked hard on in real life - but that would require the Naofumi to be something other than a self-insert. This episode was boring af. The next wave better not be anything close to the last one, because that was terrible. The monsters were just standing still waiting to be killed. Action sequences were underwhelming. You seriously compared the situation of Naofumi to Vic? WTF?! HAHAHAHA. Imagine if you are in the position of Naofumi, no one believes in your side and no one is there to defend you, what would you do? Consider this, that country happens to be a Monarch and has a culture like the dark ages/medieval ages which allows death penalty and torture. Vic has lawyers to defend his side, Naofumi hasn't. He wants to go home, why? Imagine life without internet, friends to hang out with, video games to play and light novels to read, Naofumi wants to go home because he wants to get his normal life back, no need GFs that needs to wait you to have a valid reason to go home. Naofumi is not a loser, where did you get that? He attends college, someone's not paying attention. You really hate this anime, then drop it and leave the forums gosh. |
MudaMudaGioGio said: wait. Rezero have ecchi and harem in it?papsoshea said: isekai is a trash anime, maybe it's because as far as I know most tell about generic harem and damn ecchi like what happened to SAO, Re zero, Death march, isekai wa smartphone, konosuba and the rest I haven't mentioned, but I still enjoy it because I like things that are considered controversial by anime fansBingo! It's laughable. Also, I don't see Vic Mignogna acting like Naofumi at all, he's handling this situation as any other normal person would. His so-called struggles fail in comparison to how convenient everything has been for him so far. Everything comes easy. The so-called weakest hero turns out to have abilities that are ridiculously broken. The fans (the hardcore ones that feel it's their duty in life to defend this show) can't keep their story straight, just like how Raphtalia only sees Naofumi as a Father figure. Just like how there is no harem troupes or eventual harem. All this show did was start off like other trash isekai and fantasy where it starts off with some edge that causes an uproar, lots of people flock to show to see what the hype is about since it's being hailed for being dark and mature - only to find out episodes later that it turns into a generic power fantasy with harem troupes. I do hope the new group of people that joined up for the team doesn't just come and go when Waves appear and end. Him having more people in his team (a lot older people and not all girls) is better than what it's been doing so far. Also lol at the part of Naofumi wanting to back to his world. there needs to be some actual exposition on why Naofumi liked his real life so much. From what I saw, he had a mundane life of a typical Japanese loser. The idea would stick if like if he had a girlfriend or something he holds dear back home and want to get back to see them, or had finally achieved something they'd worked hard on in real life - but that would require the Naofumi to be something other than a self-insert. This episode was boring af. The next wave better not be anything close to the last one, because that was terrible. The monsters were just standing still waiting to be killed. Action sequences were underwhelming. |
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| You know what, good on Naofumi for finally calling out the other two Heroes in all the chaos they're causing with their "virtuous" actions; not only is it necessary after the show has been building that undertone of Naofumi cleaning up after them, but it's also useful for showing how little the other Heroes actually understand or care that this world they're in is real and not just some game. Saying that, Ren is at least respectable for actually acknowleding the damage he caused, so hopefully he'll learn from that in future and Naofumi won't have to keep clearing up his messes. |
| It's hyping up guys, the female villain that appears in the opening sequence when Naofumi unleashes the rage shield is here, I wonder if she will go against all of the other heroes, or maybe all of them together. I love the interaction of Naofumi with the sword and the bow heroes and how he scolded them like an older brother, or much like a superior or something. I appreciate how understanding they both were as well, less of an acorn than the spear hero, I do believe however that the spear hero is probably putting up that front because of that other slut controlling him without him even realizing. What a witch. The queen looks a lot like that stupid witch, she doesn't seem all that evil like the rest of the ruling family, I'm worried that Naofumi might mistake her for Malty. Naofumi is so caring for him to have that party of starters gather money to buy better equipment, we've got a lot of supporters than ever, I hope the next wave won't lead to too many sacrifices. |
Jfs_Jfsjfsjfs said: MudaMudaGioGio said: wait. Rezero have ecchi and harem in it?isekai is a trash anime, maybe it's because as far as I know most tell about generic harem and damn ecchi like what happened to SAO, Re zero, Death march, isekai wa smartphone, konosuba and the rest I haven't mentioned, but I still enjoy it because I like things that are considered controversial by anime fans I think there is no harem in Re Zero, correct me if I'm wrong. |
Cleckeroo said: Imagine life without internet, friends to hang out with, video games to play and light novels to read, Naofumi wants to go home because he wants to get his normal life back, no need GFs that needs to wait you to have a valid reason to go home. Do you suggest that the first thing anybody from this forum would do in such situation is go to the nearest slave merchant buy the weakest sickest little girl and try to turn her into a killing machine? Morality aside this doesn't work even as a practical choice. Also he never tries to gather more information about to world. 7/10 would do exactly that - learn the rules and how to go around them. Nope, Naofumi definitely comes as a weird one. |
alshuMar 14, 2019 6:08 AM
alshu said: Cleckeroo said: Imagine life without internet, friends to hang out with, video games to play and light novels to read, Naofumi wants to go home because he wants to get his normal life back, no need GFs that needs to wait you to have a valid reason to go home. Do you suggest that the first thing anybody from this forum would do in such situation is go to the nearest slave merchant buy the weakest sickest little girl and try to turn her into a killing machine? Morality aside this doesn't work even as a practical choice. Also he never tries to gather more information about to world. 7/10 would do exactly that - learn the rules and how to go around them. Nope, Naofumi definitely comes as a weird one. WTF? Naofumi didn't GO to the Slave merchant after he was accused, he's gone to level up and gather leftover balloons to make money. And in the slave merchant he was APPROACHED by the slave merchant, at first Naofumi didn't want the offer but the second the slave merchant said "Slaves will never betray you", he quickly agreed. He is learning the world and how this world works, how did he figured out that balloon left overs can't sold to a merchant if he never tries to learn how the world works? Naofumi bought the CHEAPEST slave that the slave trader has to offer and that slave happened to be RAPHTALIA (More info is not explained in the anime tbh). You're exaggerating it man, Raphtalia is NOT a killing machine, she is just his attacker since Naofumi CAN'T attack without a weapon, every weapon that he holds or he attempts to make it a weapon (pickaxe is one example), the shield will reject it with a strong electric current. Pay attention to the story man. |
CleckerooMar 14, 2019 6:21 AM
Playcool said: HereticHunter said: Oh Snap, for a moment I didn't notice it was you lol. What I mean by that is that it feels out of place to me, specially because a friend that knows the source constantly tells me that Raph isn't like that, that she starts falling for Naofumi after several chapters instead of how they have been forcing a love triangle lately that features 2 kids. It doesn't necessarily has to hurt the story, there may be times that work (like CS for example, since it has a strong focus on world building and atmosphere) On this episode, we got to know about Class Ascension, Kingdoms, Consequences from Bow and Sword hero, Naofumi confronting them, loyalty from those soldiers that wanted to be by his side and probably plenty more, it even have some harem time when Naofumi was healing Raph and Filo got Jealous, but it was slight and it was done in a minute. My displease is that the SoL moments where having the spotlight and episodes like the Rotten Dragon got rushed. Well on the LN you definitly have multiple ones going at it, Filo eventually stops going crazy at it, and starts to behave more like a daughter that wants daddy to give her some love and care, so nothing romantic, whereas Rapth never lets it go. There are other romantic interests later on, but really only 1 or 2 of them come close to Rapth in those regards AND we are talking about this happening in a long LONG story, it is not like every new volume you have a girl to chase around the MC ass or something. It will die down a bit later on, but at the volume I m at of the LN, I think it hit a nice balance between the harem and the real plot. It is actually kinda sick hearing people shipping Filo with Naofumi, since they relactionship is more like of daughter and father... Melty is a different case, and I will leave it at, but if you are feeling it is wrong with some many underaged going on, there is one oneesama later on going at it, lol (to be crude about it, not every new member will be a horny loli wanted his D). If you read the source material, you get a better presence of MC's awareness and state of mind, so this is not as bothering, since he clearly friendzones or "daughters-zone" most of them. There are also some cool male squad appearing later on, and as Naofumi states, for him it doesnt matter, it is not his choice, he is not going at it, wanting to gather a squad full of females, it wouldnt bother him, if they were all males. Well at least Naofumi puts them on the Daughters-zone lol. As long as they don't rush action scenes in favor of episodes like that Raph vs Filo in the mountain, I'll be alright xD |
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Cleckeroo said: WTF? Naofumi didn't GO to the Slave merchant after he was accused, he's gone to level up... Missing the point much? Cleckeroo said: He is learning the world and how this world works And still a few months later he doesn't know even some basic stuff...which he could learn from the blacksmith just asking nicely. Cleckeroo said: Naofumi bought the CHEAPEST slave But he could afford a little stronger and more suitable slave. At least one in better health condition. Cleckeroo said: Raphtalia is NOT a killing machine Anybody in the MC's shoes would go for a killing machine party member exactly because of his/hers Shield Hero situation. Cleckeroo said: Pay attention to the story man. The story is so absurd and told is such manner that paying attention is not worth it. I watch this anime mainly because every character is acting like a jerk for no obvious reason and this is really entertaining. |
alshuMar 14, 2019 7:00 AM
alshu said: Cleckeroo said: WTF? Naofumi didn't GO to the Slave merchant after he was accused, he's gone to level up... Missing the point much? Cleckeroo said: He is learning the world and how this world works And still a few months later he doesn't know even some basic stuff...which he could learn from the blacksmith just asking nicely. Cleckeroo said: Naofumi bought the CHEAPEST slave But he could afford a little stronger and more suitable slave. At least one in better health condition. Cleckeroo said: Raphtalia is NOT a killing machine Anybody in the MC's shoes would go for a killing machine party member exactly because of his/hers Shield Hero situation. Cleckeroo said: Pay attention to the story man. The story is so absurd and told is such manner that paying attention is not worth it. I watch this anime mainly because every character is acting like a jerk for no obvious reason and this is really entertaining. Like I said in the parenthesis there there is more info that is not included and it's more absurd No he can't afford anyone except her, it would blew his limited budget since Raphtalia is the cheapest there. Few months later too he learned to make accessories, and be a merchant, how is that NOT learning in the world? Choice of words man, killing machine is too much for that girl, I would to call her as a main DPS to his party. Of course if you don't pay attention to the story you will conclude that they are acting like a jerk for no reason. |
| We now know about Melty's main reason for being in the capital was to try and overthrow the corrupt king and her request for Naofumi's help with her plan was genuine and honest. If she's going to be a future queen one day, then she needs to overcome tough challenges like these. I just hope that she'll convince Naofumi to believe her soon. =) In the days counting down to the next wave, we also got the see some really weak refugees who were on death's doorstep after they got screwed over by heavy taxes by the resistance. Them, and as well as the village by the dragon corpse a few episodes ago, shows that Itsuki and Ren have been treating this new world as a video game and never considered about the consequences of that their actions would have if they were careless. That made the scene where Naofumi confronts the two other heroes all the more satisfying. Although Itsuki is acting like a brat about it all, I'm glad that Ren is starting to realise more about his actions and the consequences behind it and I do hope that he'll be more careful from now on. Now with some new allies from the army, Naofumi's team will be more prepared for the upcoming wave, so I'm expecting plenty of action in the next episode. Looking forward to it as usual. =) |
Cleckeroo said: No he can't afford anyone except her, it would blew his limited budget since Raphtalia is the cheapest there. Yes he can learn the prices and grind more time for some better partner. Cleckeroo said: Few months later too he learned to make accessories, and be a merchant, how is that NOT learning in the world? Yes this is demonstrating my point: - Concentrating on non-combatant skills while waiting for the next wave. - Becoming a very successful merchant despite having practically no communication skill and not developing them. - Crossing the country without even asking himself "What about those other countries? Maybe I could live better there?". - Before the last wave he did't knew even important things like the hourglass for the waves ect. He was sulking, never tried to come out of his shell and ask some simple questions. Cleckeroo said: Choice of words man, killing machine is too much for that girl Yeah man. Any sane person would go for killing machine not furry kid. Cleckeroo said: Of course if you don't pay attention to the story you will conclude that they are acting like a jerk for no reason. They are not? Even with the "prophesy" spoiler for being jerks the royals are turning this into something even worst "selffulfilling prophecy". |
alshuMar 14, 2019 7:46 AM
alshu said: At least they ain't a total jerk like you and along with your disgusting avatar face who intentionally diss the newbies because you are so scared of your kinds but want attention. You old pathetic life loser.I watch this anime mainly because every character is acting like a jerk for no obvious reason and this is really entertaining. |
alshu said: Cleckeroo said: No he can't afford anyone except her, it would blew his limited budget since Raphtalia is the cheapest there. Yes he can learn the prices and grind more time for some better partner. Cleckeroo said: Few months later too he learned to make accessories, and be a merchant, how is that NOT learning in the world? Yes this is demonstrating my point: - Concentrating on non-combatant skills while waiting for the next wave. - Becoming a very successful merchant despite having practically no communication skill and not developing them. - Crossing the country without even asking himself "What about those other countries? Maybe I would live better there?". - Before the last wave he did't knew very important things like hourglass for the waves ect. He was sulking, never tried to come out of his shell and ask some simple questions. Cleckeroo said: Choice of words man, killing machine is too much for that girl Yeah man. Any sane person would go for killing machine not furry kid. Cleckeroo said: Of course if you don't pay attention to the story you will conclude that they are acting like a jerk for no reason. They are not? Even with "prophesy" spoiler for being jerks the royals are turning this into something even worst "selffulfilling prophecy". alshu said: Cleckeroo said: No he can't afford anyone except her, it would blew his limited budget since Raphtalia is the cheapest there. Yes he can learn the prices and grind more time for some better partner. Cleckeroo said: Few months later too he learned to make accessories, and be a merchant, how is that NOT learning in the world? Yes this is demonstrating my point: - Concentrating on non-combatant skills while waiting for the next wave. - Becoming a very successful merchant despite having practically no communication skill and not developing them. - Crossing the country without even asking himself "What about those other countries? Maybe I would live better there?". - Before the last wave he did't knew very important things like hourglass for the waves ect. He was sulking, never tried to come out of his shell and ask some simple questions. Cleckeroo said: Choice of words man, killing machine is too much for that girl Yeah man. Any sane person would go for killing machine not furry kid. Cleckeroo said: Of course if you don't pay attention to the story you will conclude that they are acting like a jerk for no reason. They are not? Even with "prophesy" spoiler for being jerks the royals are turning this into something even worst "selffulfilling prophecy". - What? No he only has support magic and buffs for combat aside from curse series which is specialized in counter attacking. - Raphtalia and Filo is the one who communicates to his customers not him. But there are times that he needs to step up so I don't really know what you mean no communication skills. - Why? When he thinks that the world is a jerk to him why would he ask himself that, he only discovered there are other countries last episode. - Of course he wouldn't ask, do you know what state Naofumi's in in that episode? Heck he still saw Raphtalia in child form till episode 4 which the wave is already done. Any sane person would go for a cheap slave rather than a expensive killing machine if they have no money. It's not only a prophecy that makes them to hate the Shield hero, there is also politics involved and religion. |
aftermath99 said: alshu said: At least they ain't a total jerk like you and along with your disgusting avatar face who intentionally diss the newbies because you are so scared of your kinds but want attention. You old pathetic life loser.I watch this anime mainly because every character is acting like a jerk for no obvious reason and this is really entertaining. So you posted that twice? Here and as PM. You must to be very proud of this text. |
Cleckeroo said: - What? No he only has support magic and buffs for combat aside from curse series which is specialized in counter attacking. How about making potions and jewelry? A hobby? More like making money but the writer conveniently makes it part of the heroes journey. On screen he always ruins their efforts tho. Cleckeroo said: But there are times that he needs to step up so I don't really know what you mean no communication skills. Like bargaining for better deal, being hypocritically nice to people who pay him ect. Can't imagine a successful merchant without such skills. Searching for better living conditions...maybe in a place where nobody knows him? Cleckeroo said: he only discovered there are other countries last episode. Actually when he was discussing the rumors for the other heroes he mentioned other countries...so he knew about them just didn't realize that out there are more temples for leveling up. Cleckeroo said: - Of course he wouldn't ask, do you know what state Naofumi's in in that episode? Heck he still saw Raphtalia in child form till episode 4 which the wave is already done. What are you referring to? Is this an excuse not asking for things that are directly related to him? Cleckeroo said: Any sane person would go for a cheap slave rather than a expensive killing machine if they have no money. But this person would choose someone who at least would have the potential to become a good warrior not some sick kid. Cleckeroo said: It's not only a prophecy that makes them to hate the Shield hero, there is also politics involved and religion. Knowing the author...they could be a real mess. If you are afraid from some deus ex machina guy you sould't make him angry and release him...maybe going for a sure kill...or organize some secure imprisonment or whatever. If you don't want to take some drastic measures, just be nice to him. |
alshuMar 14, 2019 8:39 AM
| Good episode, Im pretty excited for the next. Finally the 2nd wave, and there is also that shady girl from the opening! (the one with black hair). I also liked the fact that Kazuto Kirigaiya fuck I meant Matsuoka Yoshitsugu heck no I mean the Sword Hero, he apologized for the problem he caused. By the way, I've discovered on r/Animemes that in y'all english subs there was a Spideman quote. The quote isn't true. I can understand a little of Japanese and Im sure that they didn't say anything like that. I checked not only my L1 sub (italian) but also the spanish one and the german one. In all the three cases the sentence was translated as "Seems like I need to teach a lesson to them". Then in the Italian one the sentence was translated as "You seems like a character from Manga Mitokoumon". I wasn't sure this was the right translation, indeed it isn't, but someone in this thread said that in fact the right translation was a Manga Mitokoumon reference. I'll probably sound a bit nitpicky but I just wanted to let y'all know it, because honestly I think is pretty wrong to change completely 2 sentences to reference something they didn't never mention. Especially because that are official subs, and not fansubs like the italy one I use. |
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alshu said: Cleckeroo said: - What? No he only has support magic and buffs for combat aside from curse series which is specialized in counter attacking. How about making potions and jewelry? A hobby? More like making money but the writer conveniently makes it part of the heroes journey. On screen he always ruins their efforts tho. Cleckeroo said: But there are times that he needs to step up so I don't really know what you mean no communication skills. Like bargaining for better deal, being hypocritically nice to people who pay him ect. Can't imagine a successful merchant without such skills. Searching for better living conditions...maybe in a place where nobody knows him? Cleckeroo said: he only discovered there are other countries last episode. Actually when he was discussing the rumors for the other heroes he mentioned other countries...so he knew about them just didn't realize that out there are more temples for leveling up. Cleckeroo said: - Of course he wouldn't ask, do you know what state Naofumi's in in that episode? Heck he still saw Raphtalia in child form till episode 4 which the wave is already done. What are you referring to? Is this an excuse not asking for things that are directly related to him? Cleckeroo said: Any sane person would go for a cheap slave rather than a expensive killing machine if they have no money. But this person would choose someone who at least would have the potential to become a good warrior not some sick kid. Cleckeroo said: It's not only a prophecy that makes them to hate the Shield hero, there is also politics involved and religion. Knowing the author...they could be a real mess. If you are afraid from some deus ex machina guy you sould't make him angry and release him...maybe going for a sure kill...or organize some secure imprisonment or whatever. If you don't want to take some drastic measures, just be nice to him. Making money to buy new equipment for the next wave? Yeah. Nah Raphtalia always scolds him for being like that. So no efforts ruined. In this world yeah, I can imagine a merchant with that skills but not in ours. My bad for that, he just discovered that there are hourglasses in other countries. At firrst he thinks the whole world is against him until he realizes that there are countries for demi humans and humans that are living peacefully. Someone's not paying attention. Until episode 4 Naofumi only sees Raphtalia as a child. Well of course you will miss that because you said it yourself, you're not paying attention. If he has no choice he would choose that sick kid, there are limitations to his choice because of budget issues. Besides he knows himself that he has the ability to make potions. Why would they think that Naofumi is a deus ex machina guy? He's just the Shield Hero, the most useless hero. He was not executed because the king knows that it will ignite a war. So they let him fight in the waves and die, so that they could get away with it easily. |
| From how it's explained, the Queen wanted to expose the King of his corruption and unfairness, so I am with the Queen if she wants to overthrow her husband and maybe even the bitch ass Myne. Restrictions after restrictions, the country is even banning Naofumi and his party to upgrade even though they are willing to pay 15 gold coins! On the other side, the slave trader is a good guy, every deals between him and Naofumi is a win-win for them both at this point. A piece of useful information about existing hourglasses and a pair of sweet new wyvern talons for Firo? Hell yeah! Can't forget about Raphtalia's sword too, even though it's not from that guy. YESSS!!! Okay for the best of the weekly dose of satisfaction from this show is no doubt the scenes where Naofumi told bot the Sword and Bow heroes about their faults and failures! Their reactions are just so priceless, I'm literally screaming rn lol. To top it off Naofumi saying to them "Do you have any idea how many people died because of you two?" has just increased the burns even more! From that scene, however, I respect the Sword hero for taking what Naofumi has said about him and believing it. Meanwhile, the Bow hero just can't accept it, infuriating... Naofumi got an upgrade now, he has a self-repairing outfit thanks to the gems he got from the poisonous dragon! Hell yeah! A group of followers who trusts the Shield Hero and are eager to join the Shield party! And although I kinda expected it, Naofumi telling them to spend their 150 silver coins is a great way to test them to see if they're willing enough and at the same time, gather enough funds to better equip themselves. Less than 24 hours remaining until the next wave and the lady from the OP with the black fans are about to be introduced... |
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DumpsterKing said: Cleckeroo said: What's the point in a discussion with people just regurgitating the same opinion over and over again? If there isn't a dissenting opinion, then it just turns into a circle-jerk with little to no actual discussion.I've read some of your posts in different threads in this show but seems like the majority of it is negative things about this show. Sure there are flaws but there are more positive things to discuss instead of that scene where the 2 heroes are already there in that restaurant with Naofumi's party, the more important part is there, Naofumi telling the other heroes what happened to the villages that they saved. I know we can differ opinions and we can post our opinions here in the forums but I'm getting sick of your whining every episode. Many things in this show work for me but not for you. This show is really not for you, I think it's better for you to drop it. Simple, people don't like when stuff they like is criticised. Well, tough. My initial comments are always outnumbered by positive posts, but people get triggered and try to argue with me. Nothing I can do about it and I'm happy to argue back. papsoshea said: Bingo! It's laughable. Also, I don't see Vic Mignogna acting like Naofumi at all, he's handling this situation as any other normal person would. His so-called struggles fail in comparison to how convenient everything has been for him so far. Everything comes easy. The so-called weakest hero turns out to have abilities that are ridiculously broken. The fans (the hardcore ones that feel it's their duty in life to defend this show) can't keep their story straight, just like how Raphtalia only sees Naofumi as a Father figure. Just like how there is no harem troupes or eventual harem. All this show did was start off like other trash isekai and fantasy where it starts off with some edge that causes an uproar, lots of people flock to show to see what the hype is about since it's being hailed for being dark and mature - only to find out episodes later that it turns into a generic power fantasy with harem troupes. Absolutely. On that point, we got more sophisticated, "mature" writing in this episode; the king was oppressive because "countries be expensive yo". Real socio-political commentary, none of that idealism shit here. We get to add that to the fact that slavery isn't so bad if you're an edgelord, and making people pay you a bunch of money is a clever way to tell if they are loyal to you. Shades of gray; mAtUrE tHeMes. alshu said: Cleckeroo said: - What? No he only has support magic and buffs for combat aside from curse series which is specialized in counter attacking. How about making potions and jewelry? A hobby? More like making money but the writer conveniently makes it part of the heroes journey. Let's not forget his "support" skill allows him to just walk up and dump a flask of RoundUp on a plant-monster and completely end the threat. |
SSL443Mar 14, 2019 9:29 AM
Searching for information about how to make money without traveling across country or about the waves and what adversaries he could expect, naaah. Cleckeroo said: Raphtalia always scolds him for being like that. With no consequences. Cleckeroo said: So no efforts ruined. Except "business practice ruined". Cleckeroo said: In this world yeah, I can imagine a merchant with that skills but not in ours. And this is called suspense of disbelieve...not a bad thing per se but your original argument was "Imagine yourself in MCs place" - naaah. I am a different kind of a jerk. Cleckeroo said: My bad for that, he just discovered that there are hourglasses in other countries. Not only that. This opens many question - like what the waves look like in those counties? ...and he never asked them...and am I complaining about him not asking. Cleckeroo said: Someone's not paying attention. You, to my posts? Cleckeroo said: Until episode 4 Naofumi only sees Raphtalia as a child. Why are you even talking about this? I am not discussing it or even mentioning it. Cleckeroo said: Well of course you will miss that because you said it yourself, you're not paying attention. Is this about the third wave thing or I misunderstood something else? Cleckeroo said: If he has no choice he would choose that sick kid, there are limitations to his choice because of budget issues. And I will keep repeating - grinding more balloons from better fighter. Cleckeroo said: Besides he knows himself that he has the ability to make potions. So his status screen told him that those exact potions he was making would help her exact illness? I still would prefer a healthier one. Cleckeroo said: Why would they think that Naofumi is a deus ex machina guy? Those 4 heroes are exactly that from local perspective. Cleckeroo said: He was not executed because the king knows that it will ignite a war. Not explained well in the anime - the king was obviously making some excuses but we were never informed about his true motives. Cleckeroo said: So they let him fight in the waves and die, so that they could get away with it easily. Also not very clearly explained in the anime. |
alshu said: Searching for information about how to make money without traveling across country or about the waves and what adversaries he could expect, naaah. Cleckeroo said: Raphtalia always scolds him for being like that. With no consequences. Cleckeroo said: So no efforts ruined. Except "business practice ruined". Cleckeroo said: In this world yeah, I can imagine a merchant with that skills but not in ours. And this is called suspense of disbelieve...not a bad thing per se but your original argument was "Imagine yourself in MCs place" - naaah. I am a different kind of a jerk. Cleckeroo said: My bad for that, he just discovered that there are hourglasses in other countries. Not only that. This opens many question - like what the waves look like in those counties? ...and he never asked them...and am I complaining about him not asking. Cleckeroo said: Someone's not paying attention. You, to my posts? Cleckeroo said: Until episode 4 Naofumi only sees Raphtalia as a child. Why are you even talking about this? I am not discussing it or even mentioning it. Cleckeroo said: Well of course you will miss that because you said it yourself, you're not paying attention. Is this about the third wave thing or I misunderstood something else? Cleckeroo said: If he has no choice he would choose that sick kid, there are limitations to his choice because of budget issues. And I will keep repeating - grinding more balloons from better fighter. Cleckeroo said: Besides he knows himself that he has the ability to make potions. So his status screen told him that those exact potions he was making would help her exact illness? I still would prefer a healthier one. Cleckeroo said: Why would they think that Naofumi is a deus ex machina guy? Those 4 heroes are exactly that from local perspective. Cleckeroo said: He was not executed because the king knows that it will ignite a war. Not explained well in the anime - the king was obviously making some excuses but we were never informed about his true motives. Cleckeroo said: So they let him fight in the waves and die, so that they could get away with it easily. Also not very clearly explained in the anime. No one really knows what are the "waves" even the king himself, the only people that knows the waves are dead or gone back to their world (previous heroes) Yep you can summarize my arguments in "Imagine you are in the MC's place" type. This is really subjective so I don't need to argue with you in that part. Also ,I don't really believe in objective criticism in art, especially in movies and anime. I will repeat it again --- Raphtalia is the only slave that he can purchase with his limited budget. He can't, his offensive power is too weak and grinding balloons are too slow to make money for equipment, he needs a party member immediately to make sure that he can grind faster. Yes I would too prefer a healthy one because it's easier but give the situation he is in he has no choice. Yep it is not explained but you get the point. It can be explained by looking at the situation given to the MC. |
CleckerooMar 14, 2019 9:51 AM
Hegar said: Because they like to meet up with each other in the capital? And Naofumi has had lunch many times before without seeing them. Yet if he sees them during a meal once, it's unrealistic writing you think? Yes, I do think. Who says they like to meet up in the capital? Once again, apologist for show makes up their own headcannon to defend inconsistencies. |
Hegar said: No, discussing is fine. But when you try desperately to find things to criticize without thinking, then you're whining for the sake of whining. You're just poisoning the well by characterizing my criticism as depserate and whining. Fuck off. And the fact that he bought a slave - do I need to explain it to you? He needed someone to fight for him. Doesn't mean he liked it. He also freed the slave, so that should soothe your fervent need for SOCIAL JUSTICE PREACHING!!!! In my view the freeing of Raphtalia was the part that shouldn't be there. If there's slavery, let it be without catering to pathetic little boys who can't stand seeing it. Just more contrived writing. It's a made up story, he didn't HAVE to buy a slave, the author specifically chose to write the story that way and explore no other options because it serves whatever narrative agenda they have. I bet you would be reduced to a sobbing mess if you watched Rome the mini series, as none of the characters ever preach about slavery the way you have gotten used to. The way no one ever did in real life - the slaves themselves came from societies that kept slaves, and were just sorry they got caught and had to be on the receiving end of what was a natural practice. I'm warning you, don't watch it. You can't handle it. Historical realism isn't for you. Not the same thing since it is based on historical events. Sheild Hero is neither historical nor realistic, get serious lmao. |
alshu said: I am curious is the holly water from the second bottle also fake or Raphtalia curse can't be lifted that easily? Also why Naofumi haven't noticed yet that this doesn't work since he is doing the treatment of the wounds? Draconalis said: Wave 1 happened before the show started, Wave 2 happened in episode 3, and the next episode is wave 3 in earnest. Was this mentioned in the show? Yes. Pretty early on too, when they talk about Raphtalia's parents dying in the first wave |
Yourmom53 said: Am I the only one who doesn't get why the Sword Hero is getting so much shit for the whole dragon fiasco like how was he supposed to know that leaving a dead dragon would result in a plague making zombie. No, you're not. As I've said before, there was no setup for the zombie. |
| That Melromarc Kind really is giving Naofumi a lotta shit by denying him of upgrading his lackeys . So,Naofumi ain't such a money greedy SOB after all, he fed the town's villagers after the sword hero fucked up his mission by making things worse for them townsfolk, also Naofumi made a group of Knights who wants to join him collect 150 pieces of silver of what they thought is a fee for them to join but, instead it was for them to buy better weapons for the next wave. So. a certain Glass is gonna join in the next wave, so does that mean ever time a wave is fought a better and much badder antagonist appears ? |
JiangHaoyi1979Mar 14, 2019 1:44 PM
SSL443 said: Yourmom53 said: Am I the only one who doesn't get why the Sword Hero is getting so much shit for the whole dragon fiasco like how was he supposed to know that leaving a dead dragon would result in a plague making zombie. No, you're not. As I've said before, there was no setup for the zombie. TBH even in the LN I though it was bit too much, since I wouldnt really remenber myself to bury the damm thing if I was in his position, but that said, you cant deny his action had heavy consequences... Great episode, they switched orders of some minor events, but noneless everything made sense and felt natural, one of the better episodes IMO, ALOT of world build and goddamm Glass-chan in the end... next 2 episodes, folks, it is going to be FIRE! This episode may have even improved over the LN in showing the worldbuilding IMO. Great episode. |
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| Good episode, like always ! Can't complain, church are jerk, like always when we speak about religions in medieval time ... About some messages on this topic, it's always funny to see the same face complaining about the series : They hate this series so much they need to see the last episode each week. It's top grade masochistic stuff here ! o/ |
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Playcool said: TBH even in the LN I though it was bit too much, since I wouldnt really remenber myself to bury the damm thing if I was in his position, but that said, you cant deny his action had heavy consequences... The problem is it undermines the characterization of the sword hero. The intent of the scenario is to show that his best intentions still resulted in harm because in his arrogance he believed he could do no wrong. But the lack of established mechanics and lore undermine that message. Because even if he had done his due dilligence, it looks like the outcome would have been the same. They needed a scene where the sword hero turns down help or advice on how to deal with the dragon. That would be been enough foreshadowing that it would end badly, even if they didn't get down into the details of exactly what would happen. |
| im still loving the series but do gotta say the best parts was the beginnings with everything that was going on ever since after the fight between him and spear hero things has gotten a bit slow like but good thing is that spear hero and that girl are more of a joke now than anything but its pretty funny how things are i mean i know its the theme that everyone is suppose to be assholes like that but wow the fact that the shield hero is the only one that has brains and do anything good but yet gets treated that way while the other heroes are pretty dumb and just fuck things up the only one atm that's not a complete asshole is sword hero as at least he can believe shield hero unlike how the bow hero is all of a sudden being the way he is but nonetheless at least shield hero is getting people on his side also will be nice when he gets to trust melty and does what the mom wants done anyway the next wave starting next ep is something to look forward cant wait to see what happens |
| "one step at a time" |
| I'm glad Sword and Bow heroes were told about what they have done, and that perhaps they should be more careful. Hopefully they are not the same kind of idiots as Spear hero. Raphtalia trying so hard and yet Filo once again ruins everything. Thanks. That said, it's still a bit weird knowing Raphtalia is still just a child in a way. I can't help but like the slave trader for some reason, even if I know that he does horrible things during his business. I wonder if those new guys will die a horrible death next episode :/ I wouldn't be surprised, but hopefully it won't happen. |
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| Oh boy next episode is gonna be lit af |
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| There is nothing special in this episode, but it seems like Naofumi managed to get a new soldier xD. |
Alternate_Wraph said: There are a number of reasons for burying the dead deeper:Oh for fuck... enough about the Zombie. Nobody in the world knows about the Zombie besides Naofumi. The point was about the plague and the rot. Anyways everyone knows that zombies exist. Why else do you think we bury our dead six feet underground, and in coffins too? 1. you do not want animals to dig them up 2. decomposition in open air generally causes disease 3. you do not want rain to bring them to the surface. Also as a side note coffins are generally optional. |
| I hope the waves get progressively more intense/difficult. I don't want this show to get too comfortable sloowly building like it has been the past few episodes. The fast-paced, tense start that this show drew me in with needs to come back. I need profound dramatic momentss or else why tf did I binge 10 episodes in one night?? |
| That was better than the past few eps. Hopefully it can keep it up. |
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| I thought this episode was pretty interesting setting things up for later episodes. I liked the dialogue between Naofumi and his party. Also, the slave salesman is a interesting character. I would give this episode around a 4.4/5. |
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| I hope we'll finally get back on track with the next episode, it at least looks promising. Ever since Filo showed up I'm starting to enjoy the show less and less. |
There is nothing terribly wrong with feeling lost, so long as that feeling precedes some plan on your part to actually do something about it. Too often a person grows complacent with their disillusionment, wearing their discomfort like a favorite shirt - Johnny C.   |
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