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| What a convoluted mess of a story this was. There was no retribution for what Charioce did to hundreds if not thousands of lives (except the loss of sight? Are you kidding me?). Thank God the annoying Nina lost her voice, definitely a plus. That eerie bit where Kaisar was patched up as a zombie was a bit creepy. 6/10, the mistake was to allow Nina to steal the protagonist's spot instead of Favaro. |
| Out of all possible ships, the one that sailed across the horizon is Bachus x Sofiel,.. nice. ManlyTear said: Whoever judges a show mostly on it's ending is gonna be pretty disappointed with here, however even this ending, while going in a direction not many of us wanted, is well-executed. With the way they decided to go about it, I'd have personally preferred if Nina & Chaorice would have ran away together or something, as Jeanne,the gods,Azazel & the demons letting him go to be king just like that kind of stretches it. This sums up my feelings about it quite nicely. Mugaro's and Kaisar's perma-deaths felt so uncomprimising, especially by anime standards. Yes, we got zombie Kaisar, but I think it's pretty clear that that is a reanimated pet (like Rocky), and not the real Kaisar. I personally think it'd been better if they left that out of the epilogue, but I can see it as a comical tribute. I also really liked the relationship between Jeanne and Azazel, as well as Favaro's character development. His reaction to Amira's message from Nina, together with Rita's reaction to Kaisar's death were the highlights of this show. Regarding Charioce remaining as king, I guess everyone had lost enough, and his intentions were noble in the end. The way he sits on the throne in the end doesn't really look like a reward either, so there is no real reason to remove him from that position. 8/10 telmo_trooper said: What I don't get is: Why Charioce enslaved the demons, waged war against the gods and revive the goddamn Bahamut? What point was there in enslaving the demons besides being a fucking prick? Even if the gods weren't going to give away that ancient technology, did he have to fucking wage war against them? He even attempted to put the people against them. Couldn't he have been open about his plan all along? If the Bahamut was gonna revive anyway, didn't he just speed up the process and seal him again?
Favaro's comment in the epilogue suggests Charioce failed though, and Bahamut can not be killed. Instead it seems, Bahamut is simply there by a law of nature, above humans, gods, and daemons, to ensure balance. |
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| Season 3 better be the adventures of zombie Rita, Kaisar and Rocky. Hopefully Azzy will join their shenanigans too! |
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Hime-sama said: Well overall i liked the show but there were times i was disappointed in the anime. Il be honest i actually wanted a showdown with Bahamut and Nina. Still enjoying favaro smiling over Amira that was a cute moment. Well to me it was a good ending and hopefully no season 3. i dont mind ova but not another one since it wasnt as best as the first one with the action packed and battle scenes. It took the combined power of gods and demons to barely deflect one blast from Bahamut, wth is Nina gunna do? Lmao |
| Another day.... Another (half) bad sequel At least is not bad like Aqurion Evol or Garo guren no tsuki |
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| Another day.... Another (half) bad sequel At least is not bad like Aqurion Evol or Garo guren no tsuki |
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| I feel like somewhere down the line the show swapped directors and he like "ever see Tokyo Drift?" and was just slamming the gas and spinning the wheel constantly. At times the shit was exciting and fun and at others you'd kinda fear for your life and wonder where this death ride was heading towards. Oh and the radio is blasting Taylor Swift-esque love songs and the mood kept on clashing with everything around you. You'd get off thinking to yourself that should of been better but you're glad it's wasn't any worse. 8/10 being the supa dupa optimist that I am but really just enjoying seeing cool and likable characters return in an over ambitious play in the park. EDIT: Oh man the ending. I mean in hindsight I get what they were trying to accomplish in comparison with the first season and it's ending but man...cracked too many eggs to make this omelet :P |
LordLagannOct 1, 2017 3:02 AM
| I certainly didn't think the second season was shit, but in the end it left me feeling very mixed towards it, unlike the first season. I pretty much loved the first season, despite a few things here and there. The main problem - and all we have to do is look at these forums and everywhere else around the internet - is that people really hated Charioce. And I don't think the show wanted us to hate him, but instead to understand him, and maybe even sympathize with him a little. See, they really wanted us to be invested in Charioce and Nina's relationship. And really, not much of the audience was invested in their relationship. It took up time from other things and characters, and, honestly, it even brough Nina's character down a little, whom I dearly loved at the very beginning of this season. She almost became wholly dependent on Charioce, and that was a shame. Charioce's characterization was the main problem, of course. The execution was not there. Yes, you can see the arguments and the logic behind his decisions, but they never really bothered to make him sympathetic to the audience's feelings. Or if they did, it just all fell flat. And yet, they constantly focused on Nina and Charioce's relationship over and over again in the second half, without doing enough for Charioce's own character. Hell, sometimes it seemed like he simply had different personalities. Like, there he was playing ball with the demon kids, and yet horrible things happened to the demon kids BECAUSE of him. And he's aware of that. It seemed like a laughable moment to me, but I think the show was nudging us like, "SEE! SEE! HE CAN BE A NICE GUY, AFTER ALL!" But we knew the shit he did, and the show also obviously wanted us to be sympathetic towards demon-kind and all the demon children. It was just all really confusing, and to sum up, the writing was not up to par to deal with the complexities here. Favaro and Kaisar were side-characters in the second season, and they were always meant to be side-characters. I mean, they didn't introduce Favaro until much later. People here can say they hated this season just because the 2nd half went downhill, but so many people here were expecting Favaro and Kaisar to have main roles, and I don't think many of you were ever going to give the show a fair chance from the beginning. I swear, I've seen posts here saying "where's Amira, when is Amira going to show up, etc." Did people really believe Amira was going to show up, after everything that happened at the end of the first season? We were lucky enough to see her in some form at the end of this one. I didn't even think we would get that, to be honest. All that being said, Kaisar's character kind of got the short end of the stick here. He was so intent on protecting Charioce, and preventing bloodshed; sometimes, it was just too stupid. More stupid than the usual fun and kind of stupid that his character was in the first season. And from a writing standpoint, his death was just not very good. It sucked, really. And yet again, it goes back to the main problem: Charioce. He protected Charioce, a character that, again, we didn't really care for. Favaro was fine, I thought. Sure, he didn't get much of the spotlight, but I loved his mature and laid-back personality in the 2nd season. Dude grew up, and that was really cool. I liked him in the first season, as well, and he was more fun there, obviously, but after everything with Amira, it made sense that he changed a little. A few things that were good about this season(and also the last episode): -Azazel and El/Mugaro's relationship. El completely changed Azazel and he became very sympathetic towards the audience, when he was kind of a bad dude in the first season. Really, their relationship was quite endearing. And it was honestly a high point of the second season for me. -Animation and art's still as good as ever. -Jeanne's character. We got to know more about her and she changed for the better, and the episode focused on her and El was easily one of the best. Of course, it all came crashing down when El was suddenly killed. Which, I guess, makes sense. -Nina telling Favaro what Amira said was a touching moment. -And Kaisar being brought back to life as a zombie is totally a thing Rita would do. And Kaisar still being alive in some form is better than nothing. And Rita deserves to be happy. Maybe a selfish thing for Rita to do, but I just don't care. And it's consistent with her character. Welp. Didn't expect to write this much, but here we are. Just going back to things: the writing failed when it came to Charioce's characterization and perhaps if it were done better, maybe the audience would have been more invested in their relationship, and maybe people would have actually liked this season then. I strongly feel Charioce was the main problem with this season as a whole. One last thing: what the hell was the point of Bahamut still being alive? Sure, everyone's finally getting along now, but doesn't it feel like everything was pointless? Near genocide of the demons - all for nothing. Seems like it was simply done as a sequel bait. If they ever decide to visit the series again. Oh, well. Guess we'll see. |
MormegilOct 1, 2017 4:39 AM
| This season was depressing...I am not happy with this ending, Nina lost her voice, the king got blind and worse of all, Kaisar is dead...I was not ready for this, I know we saw him as a zombie, we know Rita might get him to speak and to be like her, but even so, it's sad... 7/10 |
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Laionidas said: Regarding Charioce remaining as king, I guess everyone had lost enough, and his intentions were noble in the end. The way he sits on the throne in the end doesn't really look like a reward either, so there is no real reason to remove him from that position. Also, even if you wanted to kill him (which I'm sure Jeanne and Azazel still do), him killing Bahamut made it a dangerous prospect for them. He is now hero in the eyes of the humans, and if they kill him now he will just become a martyr and thus humans will just become even more hateful towards the other two races. And even some angels and demons will no doubt view his actions as "well, it did kill Bahamut" so they are less likely to rally on any suicidal missions to kill the evil King. |
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| Not so great and true it went downhill with the writing but at least it managed to NOT be as bad as the first season. |
Laionidas said: The world was in ruins. Charioce enslaved the daemons because he needed cheap mass labour. Up untill then the daemons had terrorised humanity. Charioce thus hit three birds with one stone[...] I'm satisfied with this explanation. |
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| An insultingly pointless ending to what has been a disastrous, insulting second season of what was once a good series, at least until this second cour completely tarnished the reputation of anything "Rage of Bahamut" forever. The focus has been completely wrong for most of this show, and ultimately my initial concern about Nina contributing to the ruin of the show proved to be completely and utterly true. 6/10 It wouldn't have made sense, but I'm pissed that Favaro didn't get to see Amira again; it would have been as nonsensical as what we did get, but it also would have been much, much better. |
AtavisticOct 1, 2017 7:39 AM
Laionidas said: telmo_trooper said: What I don't get is: Why Charioce enslaved the demons, waged war against the gods and revive the goddamn Bahamut? What point was there in enslaving the demons besides being a fucking prick? Even if the gods weren't going to give away that ancient technology, did he have to fucking wage war against them? He even attempted to put the people against them. Couldn't he have been open about his plan all along? If the Bahamut was gonna revive anyway, didn't he just speed up the process and seal him again?
Yeah, there's this situation when someone is powerful, they will abuse it. That's what happened throughout the series. From what I understand from the show, they just cooperate when they are in dire circumstances. At the end, that's somewhat changing so at least, that's nice. Maybe because the demons experienced what it's like to be powerless or a human 'killed Bahamut'? But of course, humans are no better for abusing their power. |
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| Yep lets sweep mass genocide, slavery, discrimination that Charioce was responsible for under the rug Let's make him a hero who gets the girl(who he ordered to kill several times) at the end of the day while we're at it |
| Im not sure if I liked this season more or not. With the last scenes it hints towards a 3rd season. But now that Kaisar is dead .. Im not too sure about this. I overall liked this season because it did not feel like watching something I already saw (which always bothered me with the first) But Nina is a trash MC compared to Favaro, Kaisar and Amira last season. But hey they managed to made Jeanne an even more tragic character which I never thought was possible. 7/10 (just like the first season) while I initially liked it better, Nina stole too much screentime. Like many people wrote already, the main mistake of this season was placing Nina as the MC instead of Favaro. Also Nina should have lost her voice earlier, she is more likable when she shuts up. PS: I actually liked Charioce when he revealed his goal to actually kill Bahamut and justified everything else with it. But the ending felt anti climactic. The epic fight before and now "poof-poof dead" and oh yeah he even stayed king. Like yeah ... he should have died together with Nina. |
Comander-07Oct 1, 2017 10:51 AM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Zelev said: Lol at all the salty people. Not gonna lie, I didn't even like Genesis. I thought Virgin Soul was an improvement in the first half, but the second half has serious writing issues. 1) What was the point of all that build up on Jeanne's character? She got powers, started a war, killed Kaiser by accident, and then she didn't really do anything. 2) What was the point of all that build up on Azazel's character? He literally did nothing in the second half. Him and Jeanne got sidelined for no reason even though they were the main focus in some episodes. Makes no sense. It's pretty obvious the writer didn't know what to do with them. 3) Zombie Kaiser? Really? In theory, can't Rita bring back everyone that died? The hell? 4) Now that I think about, Favaro and Kaiser also got sidelined. ..Even though the second half has flaws, I still think it was (overall) an improvement on Genesis. Although, that's not saying much. The funny thing is both characters are connected to Mugaro/El deeply and then writers decided to kill him off lol. His death caused Jeanne to rally everyone who hates the king and Azazel to convince Lucifer to fight. I don't know if the writers just wanted to unite everyone again to fight the Bahamut since the story should be about raging on Bahamut (yeah, the title). The title should be changed to Shingeki no Charioce. Azazel escaped on this one because of 'Mugaro magic' lol. |
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| Well.....it wasn't as good as Genesis. It was fairly solid upfront but kind of turned into a shit show. |
| Shingeki no Ballroom is finally over....boy it was painful to get through the second half. What even happened after the rag demon arc? It wasn't that bad before all the dancing started..Sure there was no Favaro; but at least there wasn't a super forced love story that I didn't care about, and that overshadowed the true main characters' stories. The only redeeming quality of this season were the few action episodes it had. Sequel? No thanks. |
| In my opinion, the series began to fall flat during the climax. When Alessand killed Mugaro, I felt like there was so much potential to be had with his death. His death could have led the Gods into a crumbling defeat, that could possibly spawn a far more interesting sequel, as the Demons commit a civil war afterwards from the help of Lucifer and Azazel. If they had more episodes and didn't bring back the redundant plotline involving Bahamut as the main final boss battle of the series, things would have been much better for this series. I really adored the episodes right before they revealed Charioce's true intentions, because the series was kept on a good role, showcasing more of the characters and building up to a hype battle. But in the end, it ended up being moreso disappointing than anything else. Hopefully, they can explore more in the third season. For now, I'll just keep my rating to a 8/10, because it does a lot of good things that helps me overlook it's bad ending. |
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| It happened! The NinaxChris ship sailed, Amira visited, Bahamut was defeated once again and a zombie Kaisar was revived. I expected the last episode to be a little more chaotic but overall the anime was good. |
GangsterCat said: bahamut died just like that charioice get away with everything after he did bunch of shitty nonsense that has nothing to do with his plan and got happy ending demon and human become peaceful after what human did to them lmao rita turn kaisar into zombie, but El? or is it mindless zombie and rita just want sex doll? lol Bahamut's death was truly anticlimatic; if it was a 15 minute intense dramatic fight, I would have given this show a 7, but nope. I kept hoping for a saving grace, but it never came. Charioce did not have a truly happen ending though. He can never communicate with Nina. Looks like Rita did get a sex doll with a hint of intelligence lol |
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Hannah_Ana said: Charioce lost his eyes, and Nina lost her voice. That's fitting. Charioce does not deserve to see with his own eyes how the people in his kingdom are thriving. As for Nina, she's much more likeable when she's quiet. I was hoping El would rise from the dead and be the deus ex machina. The ending dance with Charioce and Nina was absolutely beautiful. Zombie Kaisar seems to be intellectually disabled. I knew Rita wasn't going to let him stay dead for long. lol well said!! I wish Favaro quoted you hahaha |
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irteris said: deadoptimist said: And nothing was done to explain just why Nina insisted so much on her relationship with him. It was actually ok for her to choose love over other stuff - she was a 17 y.o. girl and she wanted to date, not war or politics, she had kept her decisions personal for the most part too, so her running to the king's help could be a beautiful scene, something like a revolt of a neutral character. But we had to see why she valued that love so much for that to work. And personally, I didn't. . When Favaro told her to choose between the asshole king and the world and she answers, without an ounce of hesitation that she chose him... man that is really disappointing. I get that she's a teenager in love with her hormones maxed but SERIOUSLY this is the fate of the f*cking world we talking about. you mother, family, your friends, everybody is less important than that one asshole you KISSED ONCE FFS! That's why I was hoping them both to die on the dromos, it fitted the theme of her choosing him over the world. For the record, Nina did not stop Charioce from using Dromos to kill Bahamut so does it really matter he chose him? When she said his name I thought she was going to stop him for the purpose of saving him and forget Bahamut killing off everyone (I immediately thought 'what a stupid choice' but...)instead she supported him by having a will to die with him. This may not be correct but maybe Nina at that time, although she knows Charioce's actions before are despicable, thought that right decision would be to believe in him at that particular moment. Kaisar thought so too. In that situation, only Charioce has the means to stop Bahamut and that he's responsibility, of course. Or maybe I am reading too much into the scene. Nina is crazy in love with him undeniably and she could have decided solely based on that feeling. Who knows what the writers have in mind while writing this ugh. Really wanted to save this story, like my brain is literally finding every little detail just to salvage this fucking show. This was supposedly to be an epic anime having so much potential. Ugh this is frustrating. |
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| Was watching this with my bro and we're really just disappointed with the ending OTL Charioce didn't get his just-deserts AT ALL. And it's... slightly annoying D; Especially since Kaisar went and got himself killed (and then zombified.) Overall the whole season was nice, but in the end Nina's and Charioce's relationship kinda got annoying. Amira's and Favaro's relationship seemed to have been much better built and was more realistic : < Ah well. Won't be watching it again but I don't regret it. Genesis was better 8V |
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| This anime was the perfect example of how amazing art, effects, backgrounds and fighting scenes can't save a poorly-written story, with uninteresting characters and repetitive themes in its story. The ending was just as bad as the entire second half, I'm glad it ended: 3/10, probably one the most disappointing anime of the year for me, considering how much I liked the prequel. |
"Doubting everything that you take on... That is very important. Open your own eyes, clear out your ears, and look and listen to the world... And think using your own brain. After you've doubted everything, there is a possibility of something real to believe in. To believe in something, doubt everything." |
| Been rewatching some scene from S01 on YouTube, and noticed some stuff I completely forgot about. I always found that Nina obsessing so much over her dances with Charioce felt a bit too forced, but that changed when I came across this scene: Another thing that really stands out is this scene is the music and the overall atmosphere in the inn. It feels more authentically medieaval, but it also adresses one of my early points of critique on S02. I've always said, from around S02E05 or something, that the world felt "off". There was a king, nobles were mentioned (and appeared sporadically), but there was no courtly life. In fact, the entire metropolic capital of Anatae felt lifeless, as did the rest of the world. "A core without a periphery" I called it. It was forgivable, because it allowed more focus (and budget) on the characters that mattered and the story. That said, the above scene from S01 made me realise that it (S01) did not have that flaw. The inn's, the city, every place Favaro and Kaisar visited, felt like it was inhabited or used to be inhabited by a thriving population that went about their daily business. Meanwhile S02 only has a baker (with massive plot armour), that seems to have been forcibly inserted precisely to compensate for this lack of life, and create the impression that Nina & Co. have a home in Anatae. yaya_90 said: https://cutie-bowiex.tumblr.com/post/165937358839/decided-to-address-a-few-points-some-keep-bringing << Read this post to give a better understanding of Shingeki no Bahamut: Virgin Soul. Good post, but lol, a reference would have been appreciated: |
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